Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 At 06:23 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Dear Chris, > >The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 >Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 Saturn is in the first house if the cusp is taken as the center of the house. Perhaps the only explanation for gainng the presidency in Saturn's period is that it's part of the powerful 10th house navamsa stellium which falls on Bush's natal 10th lord Mars. (Sat-Moon-Jup-Mars-Rahu in Leo, navamsa 10th) For what it's worth, Saturn is in the 10th in Bush's dasamsa chart. Mars is exalted in Capricorn. Do we have to combine the K method with hints from the varga charts? >Rahu in 11th house >Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 >Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 >Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. If we eliminate the sign lord (Venus), we have a much better picture of victory since Mars is a powerful yoga karaka for a Cancer ascendant, is lord of 10th, and is highlighted as above with the navamsa stellium. (There's no way I would have Mars in the 1st since it's on the 2nd house cusp--which as others have written descibes Bush's famous 'speechisms'--nicely highlighted in the Doonsbury comic strip.) I agree that the bhukti/sub-lord seems much more important than the dasa lord, the dasa lord only giving a general overall picture. So all we have with Saturn is its angularity. Perhaps its lordship over 7 and 8 simply shows the real picture of how Bush happened to gain the presidencey--political shananigans. Therese >Bhaskar wrote: >I cannot honestly see any victory in above >figures, except the 10th house in above >figures for Political activity, >and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, >there is nothing else to suggest >Winning. >because winning must neccesitate the >6th house essentially, which does >not come up in abve figures. >(...) >You aer absolutely right about the >antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha >or the main periods give a glimpse on >what the Native can expect on a Longer >span of period, in a nutshell. > >But what intermittent periods would >give, may worsen the effects of the >Mahadasha , or make them better, or >show entirely seperate results. Of >course these periods would be smaller >in span of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 At 06:59 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >There are no intercepted signs as per >chart I made. >If I write 12, 7 , 8 >it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and >Lord of 7th and 8th... Bhaskar and Chris, I have never found Placidus cusps superior for natal work. In this respect I agree with the Systems Approach method (and the more ancient Indian method) that equal cusps are more accurate, even for the Krishnaurti methods. Also for natal work, the navamsa seems to work better than the Krishnamaurt sub-lords. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 At 07:02 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Will go to sleep now. Feeling sleepy. >Cant work on chart of Therese now. >Its already past midnight here in Bombay... Bhaskar, I am so happy that you are calling the city 'Bombay.' I think it is entirely rediculous that that wonderful name of many exotic stories has been replaced by " Mumbai, " which sounds to me like an African war dance. Also Madras--such an aura of magic and mystery surrounds that name, not to mention the many Indian foods that bear the name 'Madras.' (My favorite is Patak's Madras Curry Paste.) Chennai!!! I have a faint hope that these new names will be dropped some day as a bad decision made by???? (I don't know how these new names came to replace the older city names.) P.S. I am also suffering brain exhaustion. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 On Jan 19, 2008 5:55 PM, Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: At 06:59 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >There are no intercepted signs as per > >chart I made. > >If I write 12, 7 , 8 > >it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > >Lord of 7th and 8th... > > Bhaskar and Chris, > > I have never found Placidus cusps superior for natal work. In this respect > I agree with the Systems Approach method (and the more ancient Indian > method) that equal cusps are more accurate, even for the Krishnaurti > methods. Also for natal work, the navamsa seems to work better than the > Krishnamaurt sub-lords. > > Therese > Well, what might work for Parasharan astrology may not with KP. That is why KP astrologers don't use equal or whole sign houses. KP is totally different from Jyotish. I know some KP practitioners will sometimes blur the houses when convenient but Placidus is their default house system. Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Sorry for depriving you of sleep. You are describing a situation I know all too well, unfortunately. I do accept the fact that Bush's chart shows some strength for the election win, despite the absence of the 6th house. Just for comparison's sake, it might be instructive for members to examine Al Gore's chart for that time. He lost that election with the Supreme Court decision of Dec 12, 2000. Al Gore was born Mar 31 1948 12.53 pm EST (standard time!) Washington, DC. 38n54 77w02. It is a documented birth time that has been examined by many astrologers without significant complaint. He had just started Rahu-Mercury dasha three days before the election on November 7, 2000. Rahu in the 10th house, ruled by Mars, which is placed in the 1st house, and rules the 5th. Rahu is in the star of Venus, hence 10th and 11th. Mercury is in the 8th. It rules the 4th and 12th. It is in the star of Jupiter, which is in the 5th, and rules the 6th and 10th. So we have: Rahu 10 Mars 1,5 Venus 10, 11 Mercury 8, 4, 12. Jupiter 5, 6, 10. While we can all agree that antardasha lord Mercury is not strong here, its nakshatra lord Jupiter is as it rules the 6th. How does one assess the relative influence of Mercury vs. Jupiter here? Also, I would read the 10th as neutral for an election. Is this correct? Also note that Gore won the VP election in Nov 1992 during Mars/Moon. Moon is placed in the 5th (barely -- that may in fact be in the 6th --- comments welcome!), rules the 1st house and is in star of Ketu in the 4th. Ketu is in Venus which rules 11th placed in the 10th. Chris On Jan 19, 2008 2:56 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Chris, > > This was harpering on my mind. > Closed the PC went to sleep,. > Got up after 15 minutes and again > came back. > > // Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy > > cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had > with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really do > tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 > minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private > individuals' charts.// > > I am a Professional astrologer. If My Client is > interested I always try to rectify the timings of > Birth. But not on Public Forums, where this > is mostly a thankless job, for solving queries > of Natives coming with Problems like swarms. > Yes there is chances 90% of the times > that there would be difference of 1-2 minutes > in individual charts, which is why Horary is > used liberally as there is no chance of > such lapses. > > // I think you may not be using daylight savings > > time. The correct ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using > Krishnamurti ayanamsha. // > > You are right. I did not . Remembered initially > but forgot later.This happens at the end of the > day when one is tired. Also doing Indian charts > 99 out of 100 so dont remember the concept of > DST,which is not here in India. > > The equation has changed now. (Sorry my mistake) > > Saturn -12,7,8,9 Saturn 12,7,8,9 > Rahu 11, Mars - 2,5,10 > Venus 1,4, 11 - > > This matches now to the results you mentioned. > > Here 11th, 2nd and 10th show the Advantages > received through Political endevaours., if one > should ask the question ( Had George Bush > asked this at that point of time). > > Now I am satisfied. > thank You. For clearing this matter to a > proper end. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > , " Chris K " > <mercury11043 wrote: > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:59 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no intercepted signs as per > > > chart I made. > > > If I write 12, 7 , 8 > > > it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > > > Lord of 7th and 8th. > > > > > > If it has to be lord of 9th too, which > > > would be a rarity,then it would have > > > to knock off some other house at the > > > other side. > > > > > > I get these figures for the 1st 6 > > > Cusps > > > > > > 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 > > > 2nd Leo 17.28.24 > > > 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 > > > 10th Aries 16.52.43 > > > 11th Taurus 22.43.31 > > > 12th Gemini 26.33.40 > > > > I think you may not be using daylight savings time. The correct > > ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using Krishnamurti ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. > > > > > > Please read this properly - > > > The partner,Customer,opponentis represented > > > by the 7th house. > > > The Opponents Loss is represented by his > > > 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. > > > So winning whether in any Game of politics > > > or Competetions whatever would be represented > > > by My 6th house if I have to check whether > > > I would win. 11th house if is also > > > present would show favours, or gains > > > and confirm this win. > > > > Thank you for clarifying that point. It does remind me of the KP > way > > of thinking. > > > > > > > > The 10th house does not suggest win, > > > as it is 12th to the house of 11th > > > counting anticlockwise. > > > > > > The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. > > > > > > I am actually not interested to work on Chart > > > of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the > > > Birth times, which if unrectified > > > within 1-2 minutes would make a difference > > > in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP > > > which we can go into later, > > > or You can learn Yourself once you > > > finish with this). > > > > Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy > > cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had > > with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really > do > > tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 > > minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private > > individuals' charts. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, > > > and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > > > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > > > > > > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > > > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > > > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > > > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > > > > > > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't > > > sure > > > > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning > the > > > 3rd > > > > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is > > > ruled by > > > > the Sun, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > > > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > > > > figures for Political activity, > > > > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > > > > there is nothing else to suggest > > > > > Winning. > > > > > because winning must neccesitate the > > > > > 6th house essentially, which does > > > > > not come up in abve figures. > > > > > > > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > > > > competitions and this would include political contests and job > > > > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > > > > > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > > > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > > > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > > > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > > > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > > > > to authenticate it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of > > > astrologers > > > > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it > is > > > > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause > > > difficulties > > > > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes > away > > > from > > > > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > > > > > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > > > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > > > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > > > > for her ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > > > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > > > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > > > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > > > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > > > > > > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons > between > > > his > > > > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period > > > corresponds to > > > > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period > was > > > > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic > > > differences? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > > > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > > > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > > > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > > > > course these periods would be smaller > > > > > in span of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP > > > practitioners use > > > > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would > make > > > sense > > > > > of > > > > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and > > > 2004? I > > > > > feel > > > > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP > > > through > > > > > > actual cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 > 7.26 > > > am EDT > > > > > New > > > > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, > 2000 > > > just > > > > > five > > > > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps > 6, > > > > > 7,8. It > > > > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the > 12th > > > house > > > > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although > it > > > does > > > > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in > the > > > 1st > > > > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which > is > > > in the > > > > > > second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in > interpretation of > > > a > > > > > wide > > > > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense > of > > > Saturn > > > > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that > the > > > > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more > > > directly > > > > > than > > > > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. > > > Rahu's > > > > > house > > > > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that > > > broadly fits > > > > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with > > > your > > > > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach > with > > > > > us. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > > > > confusing, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese > has > > > said, > > > > > this > > > > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the > writing > > > > > quality of > > > > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains > > > marginal > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said > earlier: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean > > > houses? > > > > > > > From > > > > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > > > > be " yes " but > > > > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese > > > Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was > married > > > on > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January > (in > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > sub- > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional > > > teaching job > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during > Venus > > > > > bhukti I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, > but > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not > > > lived > > > > > with > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third > event, > > > or > > > > > > > should I > > > > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm > interested > > > in how > > > > > > > you saw > > > > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course > karaka > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for > illness > > > to > > > > > > > father, > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does > not > > > work > > > > > is > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 At 06:42 PM 1/19/08 -0500, Chris K. wrote: >Well, [Equal House] what might work for Parasharan astrology may not with KP. That >is why KP astrologers don't use equal or whole sign houses. KP is >totally different from Jyotish. I know some KP practitioners will >sometimes blur the houses when convenient but Placidus is their >default house system. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've used the KP system successfully with EH. Placidus is necessary for horary questions which depend on time, however. That's where Krisnamurti made his mark. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Chris, I have not made Al Gores chart again and skipped the excersise, as Your figures match with the results. I am not sure half the times where and what DST to put. Get confused. Rahu 10 Mars 1,5 Venus 10, 11 Mercury 8, 4, 12. Jupiter 5, 6, 10. Mercury and Jupiter are enought to confirm the loss. 8,4,12 shows loss in hometoen. Again the positives of 6th (For this purpose) are cancelled by the presence of 5th (Which is 12th from 6th) and thus now on side of Jupiter, only 1 figure remains which is 10. So now read as Mercury 8,4,12 Jupiter 10. Result Loss in Politics if in politics. Loss in Business if in Business. Loss of Mother if Query pertains to illness of Mother, Break in education if Query...... Going away from Home if Query.... etc. I have removed the figures 5 and 6 from side of Jupiter, but this is not the right way to do it. One should let it remain there, but consider the effects of 6th as neutralised, since the 5th too appears and it is plus 1 and minus 1 thus equal to zero. regards, Bhaskar. , " Chris K " <mercury11043 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Sorry for depriving you of sleep. You are describing a situation I > know all too well, unfortunately. > > I do accept the fact that Bush's chart shows some strength for the > election win, despite the absence of the 6th house. Just for > comparison's sake, it might be instructive for members to examine Al > Gore's chart for that time. He lost that election with the Supreme > Court decision of Dec 12, 2000. Al Gore was born Mar 31 1948 12.53 pm > EST (standard time!) Washington, DC. 38n54 77w02. It is a documented > birth time that has been examined by many astrologers without > significant complaint. > > He had just started Rahu-Mercury dasha three days before the election > on November 7, 2000. > > Rahu in the 10th house, ruled by Mars, which is placed in the 1st > house, and rules the 5th. Rahu is in the star of Venus, hence 10th > and 11th. > > Mercury is in the 8th. It rules the 4th and 12th. It is in the star > of Jupiter, which is in the 5th, and rules the 6th and 10th. > > So we have: > > Rahu 10 Mars 1,5 Venus 10, 11 > Mercury 8, 4, 12. Jupiter 5, 6, 10. > > While we can all agree that antardasha lord Mercury is not strong > here, its nakshatra lord Jupiter is as it rules the 6th. How does one > assess the relative influence of Mercury vs. Jupiter here? Also, I > would read the 10th as neutral for an election. Is this correct? > > Also note that Gore won the VP election in Nov 1992 during Mars/Moon. > Moon is placed in the 5th (barely -- that may in fact be in the 6th > --- comments welcome!), rules the 1st house and is in star of Ketu in > the 4th. Ketu is in Venus which rules 11th placed in the 10th. > > Chris > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:56 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > This was harpering on my mind. > > Closed the PC went to sleep,. > > Got up after 15 minutes and again > > came back. > > > > // Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy > > > > cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had > > with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really do > > tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 > > minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private > > individuals' charts.// > > > > I am a Professional astrologer. If My Client is > > interested I always try to rectify the timings of > > Birth. But not on Public Forums, where this > > is mostly a thankless job, for solving queries > > of Natives coming with Problems like swarms. > > Yes there is chances 90% of the times > > that there would be difference of 1-2 minutes > > in individual charts, which is why Horary is > > used liberally as there is no chance of > > such lapses. > > > > // I think you may not be using daylight savings > > > > time. The correct ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using > > Krishnamurti ayanamsha. // > > > > You are right. I did not . Remembered initially > > but forgot later.This happens at the end of the > > day when one is tired. Also doing Indian charts > > 99 out of 100 so dont remember the concept of > > DST,which is not here in India. > > > > The equation has changed now. (Sorry my mistake) > > > > Saturn -12,7,8,9 Saturn 12,7,8,9 > > Rahu 11, Mars - 2,5,10 > > Venus 1,4, 11 - > > > > This matches now to the results you mentioned. > > > > Here 11th, 2nd and 10th show the Advantages > > received through Political endevaours., if one > > should ask the question ( Had George Bush > > asked this at that point of time). > > > > Now I am satisfied. > > thank You. For clearing this matter to a > > proper end. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Chris K " > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:59 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no intercepted signs as per > > > > chart I made. > > > > If I write 12, 7 , 8 > > > > it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > > > > Lord of 7th and 8th. > > > > > > > > If it has to be lord of 9th too, which > > > > would be a rarity,then it would have > > > > to knock off some other house at the > > > > other side. > > > > > > > > I get these figures for the 1st 6 > > > > Cusps > > > > > > > > 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 > > > > 2nd Leo 17.28.24 > > > > 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 > > > > 10th Aries 16.52.43 > > > > 11th Taurus 22.43.31 > > > > 12th Gemini 26.33.40 > > > > > > I think you may not be using daylight savings time. The correct > > > ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using Krishnamurti ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. > > > > > > > > Please read this properly - > > > > The partner,Customer,opponentis represented > > > > by the 7th house. > > > > The Opponents Loss is represented by his > > > > 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. > > > > So winning whether in any Game of politics > > > > or Competetions whatever would be represented > > > > by My 6th house if I have to check whether > > > > I would win. 11th house if is also > > > > present would show favours, or gains > > > > and confirm this win. > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying that point. It does remind me of the KP > > way > > > of thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th house does not suggest win, > > > > as it is 12th to the house of 11th > > > > counting anticlockwise. > > > > > > > > The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. > > > > > > > > I am actually not interested to work on Chart > > > > of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the > > > > Birth times, which if unrectified > > > > within 1-2 minutes would make a difference > > > > in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP > > > > which we can go into later, > > > > or You can learn Yourself once you > > > > finish with this). > > > > > > Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy > > > cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had > > > with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really > > do > > > tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 > > > minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private > > > individuals' charts. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, > > > > and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > > > > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > > > > > > > > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > > > > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > > > > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > > > > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > > > > > > > > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't > > > > sure > > > > > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is > > > > ruled by > > > > > the Sun, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > > > > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > > > > > figures for Political activity, > > > > > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > > > > > there is nothing else to suggest > > > > > > Winning. > > > > > > because winning must neccesitate the > > > > > > 6th house essentially, which does > > > > > > not come up in abve figures. > > > > > > > > > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > > > > > competitions and this would include political contests and job > > > > > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > > > > > > > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > > > > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > > > > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > > > > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > > > > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > > > > > to authenticate it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of > > > > astrologers > > > > > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it > > is > > > > > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause > > > > difficulties > > > > > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes > > away > > > > from > > > > > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > > > > > > > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > > > > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > > > > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > > > > > for her ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > > > > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > > > > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > > > > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > > > > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > > > > > > > > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons > > between > > > > his > > > > > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period > > > > corresponds to > > > > > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period > > was > > > > > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic > > > > differences? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > > > > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > > > > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > > > > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > > > > > course these periods would be smaller > > > > > > in span of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP > > > > practitioners use > > > > > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would > > make > > > > sense > > > > > > of > > > > > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and > > > > 2004? I > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP > > > > through > > > > > > > actual cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 > > 7.26 > > > > am EDT > > > > > > New > > > > > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, > > 2000 > > > > just > > > > > > five > > > > > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps > > 6, > > > > > > 7,8. It > > > > > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the > > 12th > > > > house > > > > > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although > > it > > > > does > > > > > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in > > the > > > > 1st > > > > > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which > > is > > > > in the > > > > > > > second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in > > interpretation of > > > > a > > > > > > wide > > > > > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense > > of > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that > > the > > > > > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more > > > > directly > > > > > > than > > > > > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > house > > > > > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that > > > > broadly fits > > > > > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with > > > > your > > > > > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach > > with > > > > > > us. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > > > > > confusing, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese > > has > > > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the > > writing > > > > > > quality of > > > > > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains > > > > marginal > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said > > earlier: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean > > > > houses? > > > > > > > > From > > > > > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > > > > > be " yes " but > > > > > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese > > > > Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was > > married > > > > on > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January > > (in > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > sub- > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional > > > > teaching job > > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during > > Venus > > > > > > bhukti I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, > > but > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not > > > > lived > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third > > event, > > > > or > > > > > > > > should I > > > > > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm > > interested > > > > in how > > > > > > > > you saw > > > > > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course > > karaka > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for > > illness > > > > to > > > > > > > > father, > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does > > not > > > > work > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 These over brained local politicians bring in these name changes for harboring Votes, and showing the locals that they are so much faithful to the region. But most of these Politicains are not well educated to think of the repurcussions on- 1) the future generations who would get confused and then have to find out what is the difference bewteen old name and new name and why were these changes made. 2) Millions of people all over the world, who have to make these changes in their Books, Softwares, or keep both names , etc. 3) Cosmetic value on the sound. What funny " Mumbai " or " Chennai " or " Kolkata " sounds. The exhuberance of the old names canno be surpassed by these silly sounding ones. You made me laugh by remarking " American war dance " . Good humor. keep it up. regards, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 07:02 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >Will go to sleep now. Feeling sleepy. > >Cant work on chart of Therese now. > >Its already past midnight here in Bombay... > > Bhaskar, I am so happy that you are calling the city 'Bombay.' I think it > is entirely rediculous that that wonderful name of many exotic stories has > been replaced by " Mumbai, " which sounds to me like an African war dance. > Also Madras--such an aura of magic and > mystery surrounds that name, not to mention the many Indian foods that bear > the name 'Madras.' (My favorite is Patak's Madras Curry Paste.) Chennai!!! > I have a faint hope that these new names will be dropped some day as a bad > decision made by???? (I don't know how these new names came to replace the > older city names.) > > P.S. I am also suffering brain exhaustion. > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Therese, Yes The natal Chart and the navamsha at times works very good,and so does the rashi Chart ( Moon Ascendant Chart). I normally see both the ways, and mix these 2 approaches to the best possible utilisation as per my experience and knowledge goes. Natal and navamsha chart are certainly important pivots in any type of astrology whether Sidereal or tropical, does not matter. regards, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 06:59 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >There are no intercepted signs as per > >chart I made. > >If I write 12, 7 , 8 > >it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > >Lord of 7th and 8th... > > Bhaskar and Chris, > > I have never found Placidus cusps superior for natal work. In this respect > I agree with the Systems Approach method (and the more ancient Indian > method) that equal cusps are more accurate, even for the Krishnaurti > methods. Also for natal work, the navamsa seems to work better than the > Krishnamaurt sub-lords. > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 // Do we have to combine the K method with hints from the varga charts? // I am extremely open minded about this, and do not mind taking hints from anywhere or whatever charts. But unfortunately the Hard core KP practitioners are having some superiority complexes, which makes them rigid and closed doors in their approach which is not desirable in the least for academic progress. I have showed all of them their place, without making them loose their self respect, and a change has been brought about by my continuation literal assaults on them, and they sudder now to face me and for once these superiority airs have been shed off, and hope it continues for some time. I have also tried to bring in awareness of certain Traditional principles which if used in Kp, could bring about a difference in their predictions, and fortunately that awareness is now growing, though the Hard Cores do not approve, but they dare not say a word in public. I believe in healthy mixes without disturbing' the inbuilt predictive module of the base system each of us follows. rgrds/Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 06:23 PM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >Dear Chris, > > > >The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > >Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > Saturn is in the first house if the cusp is taken as the center of the > house. Perhaps the only explanation for gainng the presidency in Saturn's > period is that it's part of the powerful 10th house navamsa stellium which > falls on Bush's natal 10th lord Mars. (Sat-Moon-Jup-Mars-Rahu in Leo, > navamsa 10th) For what it's worth, Saturn is in the 10th in Bush's dasamsa > chart. Mars is exalted in Capricorn. Do we have to combine the K method > with hints from the varga charts? > > >Rahu in 11th house > >Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > >Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > >Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > If we eliminate the sign lord (Venus), we have a much better picture of > victory since Mars is a powerful yoga karaka for a Cancer ascendant, is > lord of 10th, and is highlighted as above with the navamsa stellium. > (There's no way I would have Mars in the 1st since it's on the 2nd house > cusp--which as others have written descibes Bush's famous > 'speechisms'--nicely highlighted in the Doonsbury comic strip.) > > I agree that the bhukti/sub-lord seems much more important than the dasa > lord, the dasa lord only giving a general overall picture. So all we have > with Saturn is its angularity. Perhaps its lordship over 7 and 8 simply > shows the real picture of how Bush happened to gain the > presidencey--political shananigans. > > Therese > > >Bhaskar wrote: > >I cannot honestly see any victory in above > >figures, except the 10th house in above > >figures for Political activity, > >and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > >there is nothing else to suggest > >Winning. > >because winning must neccesitate the > >6th house essentially, which does > >not come up in abve figures. > >(...) > >You aer absolutely right about the > >antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > >or the main periods give a glimpse on > >what the Native can expect on a Longer > >span of period, in a nutshell. > > > >But what intermittent periods would > >give, may worsen the effects of the > >Mahadasha , or make them better, or > >show entirely seperate results. Of > >course these periods would be smaller > >in span of time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 At 07:22 AM 1/20/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >3) Cosmetic value on the sound. What funny > " Mumbai " or " Chennai " or " Kolkata " sounds. >The exhuberance of the old names cannot >be surpassed by these silly sounding >ones. Oh, I had forgotten about Calcutta/Koklkata!! Absolutely, totally rediculous! I hope someone starts a political movement to have the old names returned. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hello Bhaskar, I had just finished typing the methods below, and went on-line to see that you have several posts. Well, I will send this anyway, hoping it makes sense since it's now past midnight here in California. I will read the posts tomorrow, but did type a quick reply to your cities post. I've been studying the Krishnamurti 3rd reader this evening, and also Sat Siri Khalsa's brief article on the K method in Richard Houck's HINDU ASTROLOGY LESSONS. I think part of the disagreement on method is due to the use of language, which can be confusing. So since you have been tired, I am giving below my understanding of the K method as described in the Third Reader. In reviewing the Third Reader I realized that the subs are very important, but you have not mentioned them. So, referring to my own horoscope (As Krishnamurti often does I'm shortening 'nakshatra' to 'star.'): Therese: General dasa conditions (Jupiter) Jupiter is in the 5th house (good) Jupiter is in the star of Venus in 10, so will give the results of: Venus in 10th Venus as lord of 11th Venus as lord of 6th Good or bad results? This is described by Jupiter's sub lord, Rahu. Rahu is in the 10th in the star of Moon in 11th, so Jupiter over-all should give positive results. During the entire Jupiter period I was successful in school, had good jobs and reputation, married and had a child. I also had to work very hard to pay my way through school. (6th rulership by Venus?) - Sun's Bhukti, Sun in Rahu's star. Sun will give the results of Rahu in 10th: Career advancement; Rahu is with Mars, lord of 5th and 12th: The 5th is always good, the 12th is related to foreign travel. I spent the summer touring Europe with a friend, paying for the trip with money earned from teaching a semester. Marriage: The sub of the Sun is Mercury, in 12th (foreign travel) and lord of 7th (marriage) and 10th (career). Mercury is in the star of Saturn in the 5th--good. (Saturn conjoins Jupiter) -- Now taking Bush when he became president: Rahu's sub-period Rahu is in the 11th (good) in the star of Mars, so Rahu will give the results of Mars. Mars is yogakaraka, lord of 5 and 10. Good or bad? Rahu is in the sub of Jupiter, lord of 6 and 9. Jupiter forms a Raja yoga with ascendant lord, Moon. (excellent) Rahu itself does not have any planets in its stars to further describe its results, but Rahu receives the close trine of sub-lord Jupiter with the Moon. So Rahu is extremely powerful for gaining one's hopes and wishes. --- The Supreme Court acts against Gore: Mercury's bhukti: Mercury in 8th (bad) Mercury receives the trine from Ketu (bad) Mercury is in the star of Jupiter in 6, lord of 6 and 9. Is this Good or bad? Jupiter is in 6th (bad) Bhukti lord Mercury is in the sub of Saturn, lord of 7th and 8th (bad). Saturn afflicts Mars (yogakaraka) in the 1st. (bad) Also Mercury is in the 8th navamsa house. ---- Gore becomes vice-president: Rahu-Rahu Rahu is in 10th (good) Rahu receives the trine from Rajayoga Moon-Jupiter (good) Rahu is in the star of Venus: Venus is in the 11th (good) Venus is lord of 11th (good) Venus is lord of 4th (neutral) (The gain of an official government home?) Will Rahu bring good or bad results? Rahu is in the sub of Saturn. Saturn is lord of 7 and 8. (bad) But Gore won by virtue of his partnership with Clinton (7th) Saturn is in association with yogakarka Mars in house 1 (good) Rahu itself is strong enough to counteract the sub lord's 8th house rulership. But Gore did have to settle for a secondary position, though we know later that he aspired to be president. -------------------------------- It seems that aspects to the dasa/bhukti planets are important. I wrote this after studying a few pages in the Third Reader. There is still much more to review. Therese Marriage: Jupiter-Sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 At 05:37 PM 1/20/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Dear Therese, > >Sometimes we make hasty judgements. >Same here in your judgement about >me and My Guru... Bhaskar, I did not mean to make hasty judgements. Actually I've been too tired to think everything through. But there are at least three different approaches to KP that I've seen, and it would take a while to study and sort it all out. So please don't think I'm in judgement of you and your Guru. I just need 40 hours in the day to have time to carefully consider all the angles. I have saved all your posts for comparison. The 'house maze' exists in all he KP approaches, which is probably why there are many more students of Parashara than KP. (Though they are not contradictory to each other.) Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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