Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi Chris (and all), This is a note mostly for Chris. I've just been to your site and read some of the election predictions. Chris, I'm surprised that you call your approach 'neo-Vedic,' because at least what I've read so far says 'western techniques,' but in the sidereal zodiac. There's not much basic Jyotish/Vedic except for the zodiac itself. Since Cyril Fagan the west has had the sidereal zodiac, but without Jyotish references. Jyotish absolutely depends on the ascendant and house lords, and the site seems to use the usual western techniques of planetary aspects and progressions without much reference to the circle of houses or other Jyotish standards. This must be why I'm coming up with different predictions from those on the site. We do have the houses for the launch charts. So my apologies if I see the flavor of 'Modern Vedic Astrology' as western sidereal rather than eastern Jyotish. (http://www.modernVedic Astrology.com/) I'm sorry--I just don't like to see Jyotish mis-represented, though I know that western astrologers are beginning to combine the techniques of India with those of the west. I suppose that's where the term 'neo-Vedic' comes from. Just plain 'sidereal' might be a better description. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi Therese, Well, it's a good question. What is Vedic? What is neo-Vedic? I'm definitely a hybrid astrologer, but as I see it, my basic parameters come from Jyotish -- the Lahiri/Krishnamurti ayanamsha (and not Fagan-Bradley), house rulerships, dashas, and the vargas. To me, these are the essentials of Vedic astrology. You may have only seen a small sample of the site, but you can find these basic elements on most pages. If they're not always there, it's probably for reasons of brevity, as in some of the election or market updates I do. I simply don't have the time to go into every factor I use in my analyses. It's difficult to define what Jyotish is. There are many schools of thought out there, with different techniques and assumptions. Ernest Wilhelm now uses the tropical zodiac. Is he still doing Vedic astrology? Systems Approach emphasizes the role of degree-wise planet-to-planet transits even though these cannot be found in any ancient Vedic text that I'm aware of. Is it still Vedic? I have to conclude there are many Vedic astrologies. Best, Chris Therese Hamilton wrote: > > Hi Chris (and all), > > This is a note mostly for Chris. I've just been to your site and read some > of the election predictions. Chris, I'm surprised that you call your > approach 'neo-Vedic,' because at least what I've read so far says 'western > techniques,' but in the sidereal zodiac. There's not much basic > Jyotish/Vedic except for the zodiac itself. > > Since Cyril Fagan the west has had the sidereal zodiac, but without > Jyotish > references. Jyotish absolutely depends on the ascendant and house lords, > and the site seems to use the usual western techniques of planetary > aspects > and progressions without much reference to the circle of houses or other > Jyotish standards. This must be why I'm coming up with different > predictions from those on the site. We do have the houses for the launch > charts. > > So my apologies if I see the flavor of 'Modern Vedic Astrology' as western > sidereal rather than eastern Jyotish. > (http://www.modernVedic Astrology.com/ > <http://www.modernVedic Astrology.com/>) I'm sorry--I just don't like > to see > Jyotish mis-represented, though I know that western astrologers are > beginning to combine the techniques of India with those of the west. I > suppose that's where the term 'neo-Vedic' comes from. Just plain > 'sidereal' > might be a better description. > > Therese > > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release 3/3/08 10:01 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 At 11:16 PM 3/3/08 -0500, Chris wrote: >Hi Therese, > >Well, it's a good question. What is Vedic? What is neo-Vedic? I'm >definitely a hybrid astrologer, but as I see it, my basic parameters >come from Jyotish -- the Lahiri/Krishnamurti ayanamsha (and not >Fagan-Bradley), house rulerships, dashas, and the vargas. To me, these >are the essentials of Vedic astrology. Hi Chris, I was referring mainly to the use of western progressions and the use of aspects without reference to houses, house lords and dispositors. Also in the articles I checked I didn't see any mention of yogas, which are so important in Jyotish. (For example, that very important Sun-Saturn combination in Obama's campaign chart.) I have looked mainly at the election pages since (like most of us), my time is limited. I haven't read any of the market updates as that is a land of mystery to me. I'm simply not into anything financial. >It's difficult to define what Jyotish is. No, I don't think so. The basics are in so many books now. > Ernest Wilhelm now uses the tropical zodiac. Is he still doing Vedic >astrology? No, he wouldn't be, but I haven't yet seen any public statement by Ernst that he's exclusively using the tropical zodiac. All I've seen is the article on his web site where he traces tropical concepts in India's texts. I wait eagerly for a zodiac update from Ernst. >Systems Approach emphasizes the role of degree-wise >planet-to-planet transits even though these cannot be found in any >ancient Vedic text that I'm aware of. Is it still Vedic? Actually the use of equal cusps and their importance can be found in some of Raman's books who learned astrology from his grandfather. Certainly the idea of the cusp as the center of a house is traditional Jyotish. (I try not to use the term 'Vedic' because in relation to astrology this was invented in California in the early 90s. It isn't Indian.) Also in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS he corrects the belief that aspects are only sign-to-sign in Jyotish. They were actually measured from exact degrees, and their effect diminished as the orbs became wider. He discusses this in the latter part of the book and cites ancient texts. The usual western systems of progression and transits apart from house lordships and dispositors are definitely not Jyotish. They are tropical. You used these extensively in your election analysis. I should have mentioned that these pages were the ones I was referring to on your site. Peace, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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