Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Has anyone been looking at McCain's chart? His Ennead for the date of the inauguration has: natal Sun at the MC/zenith natal Jupiter on the ascendant and natal Part of Fortune at the I.C. Ennead Jupiter is in the degree of his natal Moon--a 2 MINUTE orb. Uranus is on the IC. Can't get much better than this, even though Saturn is at the M.C. How can this be?????? Oh, and Pluto is currently on natal Rahu/N Node, a one degree orb in this chart. Saturn is in the opposing degree to natal Saturn. Ennead Moon is on the natal IC. There's doesn't seem to be any guess work with this chart unless the birth data is wrong. My charts are set up for a 9:09 a.m. birth time, but I don't know where that time came from. ADB gives 9:00 a.m. which I posted earlier. The 8:37 has also appeared--source unknown. But at least all the times are within a time period of less than an hour. Have to take a closer look at McCain's solar return which is always the key chart for the year. Hope someone will let us know about the lunars. Dec 28, 2008 4:52:09 a.m. EST Panama (Ennead that covers Jan 20) Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Mc Cain and Hillary have their natal Mars in conjunction in synastry (in Cancri). The election day of november 2008, their Mars will be transited by Kethu... Hillary have this Venus tranisted by Mars (it's more good because Venus is in Libra and his Moon is in Pisces). If Obama win the caucus (few eventually), he will win the post (Mars of Mc Cain transited by Kethu = defeat). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Hi Chris, Based on what you are saying, I gathered that Ketu is always interpreted as a negative influence or only if close to the Asc? Could there be a positive Ketu placement possibly based on its relationship to other planets and their rulers? Felicia Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Interesting point, Patrice. Take a look at the McCain campaign chart which has 18 Cancer rising, so that tr Ketu comes to the Asc of this chart on election day. The formal campaign announcement by McCain occurred April 25, 2007 at 12.21 pm EDT at Portsmouth, NH. This chart looks very afflicted in May-June. For example, Lagnesh Cancer will be conjoined with tr Ketu. I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. On Nov 4, tr Ketu comes to the Asc, tr Saturn forms a " grand cross " with natal Jupiter-Uranus- Venus. Worse still, tr Mars forms a t-square with the Moon-Neptune opposition. Hard to massage this pattern into a win for McCain. All in all, this chart is more evidence that the Democrats, and specifically Hillary Clinton, will win the election. Chris Patrice wrote: > > Mc Cain and Hillary have their natal Mars in conjunction in synastry > (in Cancri). > > The election day of november 2008, their Mars will be transited by > Kethu... > > Hillary have this Venus tranisted by Mars (it's more good because > Venus is in Libra and his Moon is in Pisces). > > If Obama win the caucus (few eventually), he will win the post (Mars > of Mc Cain transited by Kethu = defeat). > > > ------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release 3/17/08 10:48 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Interesting point, Patrice. Take a look at the McCain campaign chart which has 18 Cancer rising, so that tr Ketu comes to the Asc of this chart on election day. The formal campaign announcement by McCain occurred April 25, 2007 at 12.21 pm EDT at Portsmouth, NH. This chart looks very afflicted in May-June. For example, Lagnesh Cancer will be conjoined with tr Ketu. I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. On Nov 4, tr Ketu comes to the Asc, tr Saturn forms a " grand cross " with natal Jupiter-Uranus- Venus. Worse still, tr Mars forms a t-square with the Moon-Neptune opposition. Hard to massage this pattern into a win for McCain. All in all, this chart is more evidence that the Democrats, and specifically Hillary Clinton, will win the election. Chris Patrice wrote: > > Mc Cain and Hillary have their natal Mars in conjunction in synastry > (in Cancri). > > The election day of november 2008, their Mars will be transited by > Kethu... > > Hillary have this Venus tranisted by Mars (it's more good because > Venus is in Libra and his Moon is in Pisces). > > If Obama win the caucus (few eventually), he will win the post (Mars > of Mc Cain transited by Kethu = defeat). > > > ------ > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release 3/17/08 10:48 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 At 06:38 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > >I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn >conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. >Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in >Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't see this chart as winning either if it does indeed relate to the election. I haven't worked in the past with campaign charts so have no experience with them. I figured they'd be finished at the conventions, but that's just a thought. Chris, have you used campaign charts in the past and found them to predict the outcome of an election? Do you have a favored birth time for McCain? Thanks for your reply. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Felicia - Ketu isn't always bad news, but there is a negative bias to it when it comes to getting what one wants. Given all the other negative factors involved, it likely spells defeat. Therese -- Actually I'm a newbie where it comes to campaign charts. This year is my first year using them and I'm impressed. You can follow most of the key developments with them. Just take a look. Since the times are more reliable than the natal charts of all three principals, it's a smart hedge imo. No time yet for McCain. Chris Therese Hamilton wrote: > > At 06:38 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > >I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn > >conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. > >Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in > >Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I don't see this chart as winning either if it does indeed relate to the > election. I haven't worked in the past with campaign charts so have no > experience with them. I figured they'd be finished at the conventions, but > that's just a thought. > > Chris, have you used campaign charts in the past and found them to predict > the outcome of an election? > > Do you have a favored birth time for McCain? > > Thanks for your reply. > > Therese > > > ------ > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release 3/17/08 10:48 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Hi Chris, If I understand correctly, Ketu is the South Node and Rahu the North Node, right? From what I've gleaned from cursory reading of vedic astrology, it seems that somehow Rahu also tends to have a negative connotation. Is that true? I forgot where I read it, but someone actually called Rahu the " devil's influence " , or did I get it mixed up with Ketu? Felicia Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Felicia - Ketu isn't always bad news, but there is a negative bias to it when it comes to getting what one wants. Given all the other negative factors involved, it likely spells defeat. Therese -- Actually I'm a newbie where it comes to campaign charts. This year is my first year using them and I'm impressed. You can follow most of the key developments with them. Just take a look. Since the times are more reliable than the natal charts of all three principals, it's a smart hedge imo. No time yet for McCain. Chris Therese Hamilton wrote: > > At 06:38 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > >I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn > >conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. > >Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in > >Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I don't see this chart as winning either if it does indeed relate to the > election. I haven't worked in the past with campaign charts so have no > experience with them. I figured they'd be finished at the conventions, but > that's just a thought. > > Chris, have you used campaign charts in the past and found them to predict > the outcome of an election? > > Do you have a favored birth time for McCain? > > Thanks for your reply. > > Therese > > > ------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release 3/17/08 10:48 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Felicia, Yes, both nodes are natural malefics. Rahu is the dragon's head, Ketu is its tail. While they are " natural " malefics, they can often participate in very favourable events depending on the chart. Do you have any books yet? That might be a good way to go. I can recommend Andrew Bloomfield's How to Practice Vedic Astrology. Clearly written, well illustrated with example charts. In my opinion, it's the best single volume out there for newcomers to Jyotish. Chris Felicia Hong wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > If I understand correctly, Ketu is the South Node and Rahu the North > Node, right? > > From what I've gleaned from cursory reading of vedic astrology, it > seems that somehow Rahu also tends to have a negative connotation. Is > that true? I forgot where I read it, but someone actually called Rahu > the " devil's influence " , or did I get it mixed up with Ketu? > > Felicia > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill > <christopher.kevill%40utoronto.ca>> wrote: > Felicia - Ketu isn't always bad news, but there is a negative bias to > it when it comes to getting what one wants. Given all the other > negative factors involved, it likely spells defeat. > > Therese -- Actually I'm a newbie where it comes to campaign charts. > This year is my first year using them and I'm impressed. You can follow > most of the key developments with them. Just take a look. Since the > times are more reliable than the natal charts of all three principals, > it's a smart hedge imo. > > No time yet for McCain. > > Chris > > Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > > At 06:38 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > > > >I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn > > >conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. > > >Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in > > >Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I don't see this chart as winning either if it does indeed relate to the > > election. I haven't worked in the past with campaign charts so have no > > experience with them. I figured they'd be finished at the > conventions, but > > that's just a thought. > > > > Chris, have you used campaign charts in the past and found them to > predict > > the outcome of an election? > > > > Do you have a favored birth time for McCain? > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Therese > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: > 3/17/08 10:48 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 At 09:13 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: >Felicia, > >Yes, both nodes are natural malefics. Rahu is the dragon's head, Ketu >is its tail. While they are " natural " malefics, they can often >participate in very favourable events depending on the chart. One western idea that does seem to work with the nodes is that one person's contacts to another's Rahu seems to bring mutual benefic sharing. Ketu on another person's planets can either be a drain for the person with the planets, or a re-kindling of an old relationship from past lives. Rahu is very often prominent in a person's chart when they win an election. This is why I don't like McCain's 2008 solar return. It has natal Rahu at the zenith. Only Mars on the descendant offers hope that he'll lose. Cannot believe in any way that the Repubs will get in again!! (Hoping that McCain's birth hour is way off...) When Gore was eliminated by the Supreme Court his solar return had natal Ketu on the ascendant. When Bush got to be president again by hook or by crook, John Edwards had natal Ketu on the solar return ascendant. (Never quite trusted Kerry's birth data.) I didn't know in either case back then to check for these positions--only saw them within the last week. Ketu is bad political news. [Chris wrote:] I can recommend Andrew Bloomfield's How to Practice Vedic Astrology. Clearly written, well illustrated with example charts. In my opinion, it's the best single volume out there for newcomers to Jyotish. A book I haven't heard of. I'll have to check it out on Amazon because I still don't have a 'how to practice' book I really like to recommend to beginners. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Hi Chris, First, thanks for the book recommendation. I ordered it on Amazon. It should be coming soon so I can get started from the basics! Second, since Rahu and Ketu are associated with the dragon's head and tail, why are they considered malefic? Do you know the history of that? Intuitively, I tend to associate the dragon with more positive images: strength, might, fighting for right, etc. Probably because based on the Chinese astrology, I was born in the year of the dragon, and the dragon is viewed positively in Chinese tradition. I'm just curious where the negative connation came from. Thanks for your insight on this. Felicia Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Felicia, Yes, both nodes are natural malefics. Rahu is the dragon's head, Ketu is its tail. While they are " natural " malefics, they can often participate in very favourable events depending on the chart. Do you have any books yet? That might be a good way to go. I can recommend Andrew Bloomfield's How to Practice Vedic Astrology. Clearly written, well illustrated with example charts. In my opinion, it's the best single volume out there for newcomers to Jyotish. Chris Felicia Hong wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > If I understand correctly, Ketu is the South Node and Rahu the North > Node, right? > > From what I've gleaned from cursory reading of vedic astrology, it > seems that somehow Rahu also tends to have a negative connotation. Is > that true? I forgot where I read it, but someone actually called Rahu > the " devil's influence " , or did I get it mixed up with Ketu? > > Felicia > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill > <christopher.kevill%40utoronto.ca>> wrote: > Felicia - Ketu isn't always bad news, but there is a negative bias to > it when it comes to getting what one wants. Given all the other > negative factors involved, it likely spells defeat. > > Therese -- Actually I'm a newbie where it comes to campaign charts. > This year is my first year using them and I'm impressed. You can follow > most of the key developments with them. Just take a look. Since the > times are more reliable than the natal charts of all three principals, > it's a smart hedge imo. > > No time yet for McCain. > > Chris > > Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > > At 06:38 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > > > >I don't see this chart as winning. Cancer rising, Moon-Saturn > > >conjunction in the first house, Moon exact opposition to Neptune. > > >Jupiter closely trines the Moon-Sat. Sun and Mercury near the MC in > > >Aries but imo that's not enough to save it. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I don't see this chart as winning either if it does indeed relate to the > > election. I haven't worked in the past with campaign charts so have no > > experience with them. I figured they'd be finished at the > conventions, but > > that's just a thought. > > > > Chris, have you used campaign charts in the past and found them to > predict > > the outcome of an election? > > > > Do you have a favored birth time for McCain? > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Therese > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: > 3/17/08 10:48 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 At 07:54 PM 3/17/08 -0500, Chris wrote: > >Therese -- Actually I'm a newbie where it comes to campaign charts. >This year is my first year using them and I'm impressed. You can follow >most of the key developments with them. Just take a look. Since the >times are more reliable than the natal charts of all three principals, >it's a smart hedge imo. > >No time yet for McCain. Chris, I'll watch these charts more closely. But if McCain's circa 9:00 a.m. time is correct, I'm scared. All of his cyclic charts that I've set up look awfully successful whereas I'm going around in circles with Obama and Hillary. I'm going to go back to the last two elections and set up the winning charts in this new method I'm using. In the past two elections I tried Jyotish varshaphal rules, and I really didn't hit the results very well. I saw muddled pictures. Of course the last two elections were highly unusual and didn't follow the traditional election rules. Since when does the candidate who gets the most public votes get shoved out by the supreme court? And I have no doubt at all that the voting machines were fixed in the last election. That's why Uranus was so prominent in Bush's chart. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Chris wrote: Take a look at the McCain campaign chart which has 18 Cancer rising, so that tr Ketu comes to the Asc of this chart on election day. Sari: What an interesting observation. I analyzed McCain's chances in 26th February on this list and wrote: " When looking at the secondary progressions and transits of the election day 4th November, there's especially one planet that appears to be in the middle of action, and that's McCain's natal Mars, debilitated in Cancer in the 11th house of friends and supporters. " And now the ascendant of the campaign chart is right on this very Mars! But I still cannot say anything definite about McCain's chances. This Mars is not connected to the 10th or 1st house ruler Mercury, and with Vehlow houses, Mercury may be hidden in the 12th house (with whole signs it's in the 1st house that's completely a different situation). I would like to see Mars more clearly connected to the career or public position to predict him to win. Okay, in the navamsa (9th harmonic) chart Mars in closely conjoining Venus, the navamsa 10th ruler, and Mercury is applying them in square, so there is a connection. But I would like to have more experience with navamsas before saying anything definitive... Best, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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