Astrology and Health

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At 11:10 AM 3/15/08 -0700, Felicia wrote:

>

>...I didn't know that [Richard Houck] misforecasted his death. Do you know

how off he was and what were the circumstances?

 

I probably have that informtion somewhere, but at this time I can't recall

the details. Rick's book is difficult for many reasons, not the least is

that the combines different systems of progressions and Jyotish methods,

and then he illustrates charts in both zodiacs. This can be totally

confusing. No, it IS confusing! Rick never talked about it, but he was also

somewhat psychic, which helped with his many accurate political predictions.

 

> While on this subject, Mr. Houck insisted that only the sidereal equal

house system works accurately for predictive purposes. From reading your

comments so far, it seems that you would agree.

 

Yes, I agree. Sidereal equal house with cusps marking the **center** of

houses. This is simply a picture of aspects to the ascendant. The

underlying symbology is the numerical relationship of plaents to the

ascendant. Oh, another must-have book. (I'm sorry about all these

books...)Deborah Houlding's TEMPLES OF THE SKY which traces house meanings

from the earliest horoscopes to the present. With the recent translations

of ancient texts, there is so much more to ponder over and test.

 

I've tried other house systems over the years, and have not found them very

workable for practical work. Placidus is probably good for timing

(transiting planets on the cusps, which mark planetary hours), but I don't

see it workable for the general natal chart.

 

> I'm really still undecided about which house system to stick with. I

would really like to find a reliable one, though.

 

It depends on how you want to use the houses. Do you really need them for

psychology if you have the planets? I believe a great deal that tropical

astrologers think the houses represent is simply bogus--without any

reality. Some sidereal astrologers believe the houses themselves are

bogus--simply imagination. India could not read horoscopes without houses,

however. This is why Rick and I like equal cusps for prediction. This is

India's oldest house system except for whole sign houses (which I don't

think work for prediction).

 

Therese

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Hi again Felicia,

 

Houck had forecast that he would live until he was about 87, if memory

serves. He made this prediction in a book entitled Eastern Systems for

Western Astrologers, edited by Robin Armstrong et al. In fact, he died

at age 53. Maybe it just proves the rule that it's harder to read one's

own chart free of bias.

 

I also am uncomfortable with Therese's characterization of Houck as

" psychic " . While he acknowledged that his approach was a blend of logic

and intuition, I think anyone who thoroughly reads Astrology of Death

would come away with the notion that Houck's approach was above all

grounded in logic and measurement, rather than psychic inspiration.

Labelling his work " psychic " suggests that his techniques and approach

can't be learned through serious and comprehensive study. This is false.

 

But in making this statement, I merely reveal my own unfamiliarity with

and mistrust of psychic astrology.

 

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Chris

 

 

 

 

Therese Hamilton wrote:

>

> At 11:10 AM 3/15/08 -0700, Felicia wrote:

> >

> >...I didn't know that [Richard Houck] misforecasted his death. Do you

> know

> how off he was and what were the circumstances?

>

> I probably have that informtion somewhere, but at this time I can't recall

> the details. Rick's book is difficult for many reasons, not the least is

> that the combines different systems of progressions and Jyotish methods,

> and then he illustrates charts in both zodiacs. This can be totally

> confusing. No, it IS confusing! Rick never talked about it, but he was

> also

> somewhat psychic, which helped with his many accurate political

> predictions.

>

> > While on this subject, Mr. Houck insisted that only the sidereal equal

> house system works accurately for predictive purposes. From reading your

> comments so far, it seems that you would agree.

>

> Yes, I agree. Sidereal equal house with cusps marking the **center** of

> houses. This is simply a picture of aspects to the ascendant. The

> underlying symbology is the numerical relationship of plaents to the

> ascendant. Oh, another must-have book. (I'm sorry about all these

> books...)Deborah Houlding's TEMPLES OF THE SKY which traces house meanings

> from the earliest horoscopes to the present. With the recent translations

> of ancient texts, there is so much more to ponder over and test.

>

> I've tried other house systems over the years, and have not found them

> very

> workable for practical work. Placidus is probably good for timing

> (transiting planets on the cusps, which mark planetary hours), but I don't

> see it workable for the general natal chart.

>

> > I'm really still undecided about which house system to stick with. I

> would really like to find a reliable one, though.

>

> It depends on how you want to use the houses. Do you really need them for

> psychology if you have the planets? I believe a great deal that tropical

> astrologers think the houses represent is simply bogus--without any

> reality. Some sidereal astrologers believe the houses themselves are

> bogus--simply imagination. India could not read horoscopes without houses,

> however. This is why Rick and I like equal cusps for prediction. This is

> India's oldest house system except for whole sign houses (which I don't

> think work for prediction).

>

> Therese

>

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At 05:10 PM 3/16/08 -0500, Chris wrote:

>Hi again Felicia,

>

>I also am uncomfortable with Therese's characterization of Houck as

> " psychic " . While he acknowledged that his approach was a blend of logic

>and intuition, I think anyone who thoroughly reads Astrology of Death

>would come away with the notion that Houck's approach was above all

>grounded in logic and measurement, rather than psychic inspiration.

>Labelling his work " psychic " suggests that his techniques and approach

>can't be learned through serious and comprehensive study. This is false.

 

Hi Chris,

 

I didn't mean to imply that the basis of Rick's work was psychic. But his

chart shows a strong Jupiter influence, which Jyotish relates to prophecy,

and Rick did have a good track record with political predictions. Also when

you work a great deal in one area as Rick did in the political realm, you

do develop a sharp 'intuition' that some would call psychic insight. I

always believed that Rick was extremely bright and intuitive. (If not

psychic!)

 

What is psychic?? Just the invisible lightening fast work of the mind that

we can't see or track with the conscious mind. The human brain operates

much faster than the fastest computer. (So says a current TV series on the

brain, but I don't have the channel or time in my lagging memory.) The

quick work of the brain is probably the main reason that computerized

astrological research has very limited success. The computer can't combine

the hundreds of combinations that go into one prediction.

 

My Saturn is with Jupiter, so I'll never have a good predictive track

record--maybe somewhat if I stay strictly with the 'science' of chart

reading, and totally leave any emotion out of the equation. This reminds me

of a recent remark by a political commentator on a news show. The TV host

asked him what his prediction was for the election, and he laughed and

said, " Don't ask me! I've been wrong every time in the past! "

 

Therese