RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

[Guest guest]

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I realize

that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be action

oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling, compassionate and

idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars weak, or at least that the

justification I give myself for not having a lot of energy and being more brave

like I should with the tropical Mars in Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's traits

to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how you view

retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this new

information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may

just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Felicia...

 

In the Vedic system Pisces would be considered a good sign for Mars because

it's a Jupiter ruled sign and Jupiter and Mars are mutual friends. There's

this whole system of friends, enemies, and neutral. Do you have Light of

Life, the book by Hart de Feuw (sp?) and Robert Zvaboda? It's a very good

basic book on Vedic astrology. It comes in paperback.

 

Sorry, I haven't had time to look at your chart today. I've been running

around like crazy since I got up.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:49 AM

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

 

 

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I

realize that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be

action oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling,

compassionate and idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars

weak, or at least that the justification I give myself for not having a lot

of energy and being more brave like I should with the tropical Mars in

Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's

traits to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how

you view retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this

new information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

@ <%40>

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Bettina,

 

You asked if I have the Light of Life book. It's on the way, among others that

have been recommended to me from the gurus in this forum. In a week or so, I

should have about 5-6 Vedic books to get started on :-)

 

Like Therese says, it must be the Tr. Pluto aspecting my sun and Saturn that

is opening up my mind to Vedic astrology at this time. And I get so much help

from everyone here. So amazing!

 

Bettina,

I'm still curious about how retrograde is treated in Vedic astrology. Can you

share what you know about this?

 

Thanks,

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria wrote:

Felicia...

 

In the Vedic system Pisces would be considered a good sign for Mars because

it's a Jupiter ruled sign and Jupiter and Mars are mutual friends. There's

this whole system of friends, enemies, and neutral. Do you have Light of

Life, the book by Hart de Feuw (sp?) and Robert Zvaboda? It's a very good

basic book on Vedic astrology. It comes in paperback.

 

Sorry, I haven't had time to look at your chart today. I've been running

around like crazy since I got up.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:49 AM

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I

realize that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be

action oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling,

compassionate and idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars

weak, or at least that the justification I give myself for not having a lot

of energy and being more brave like I should with the tropical Mars in

Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's

traits to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how

you view retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this

new information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

@ <%40>

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Felica...

 

I've never been able to figure out how retro planets act in the natal chart,

but when they're transitting a strong natal point you really feel them.

Example: several mos ago Mars went retro right on my asc and Saturn

(they're smack together...aaaaaaargh!) , then went back squaring my natal

Mercury, then went direct and is part way through doing all that

again...hasn't hit my asc and Saturn yet, but will soon. During all this

time I suffered a fall that hurt my knee, I strained my back and have had

lower back pain since early November. I've had Mars go over my asc many

times with minimal results, but when it's retro it really does a number.

I've had many other times when I've had Mars hit an angle or natal planet

that were most unpleasant.

 

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:39 AM

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

 

 

Hello Bettina,

 

You asked if I have the Light of Life book. It's on the way, among others

that have been recommended to me from the gurus in this forum. In a week or

so, I should have about 5-6 Vedic books to get started on :-)

 

Like Therese says, it must be the Tr. Pluto aspecting my sun and Saturn that

is opening up my mind to Vedic astrology at this time. And I get so much

help from everyone here. So amazing!

 

Bettina,

I'm still curious about how retrograde is treated in Vedic astrology. Can

you share what you know about this?

 

Thanks,

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

Felicia...

 

In the Vedic system Pisces would be considered a good sign for Mars because

it's a Jupiter ruled sign and Jupiter and Mars are mutual friends. There's

this whole system of friends, enemies, and neutral. Do you have Light of

Life, the book by Hart de Feuw (sp?) and Robert Zvaboda? It's a very good

basic book on Vedic astrology. It comes in paperback.

 

Sorry, I haven't had time to look at your chart today. I've been running

around like crazy since I got up.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:49 AM

@ <%40>

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I

realize that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be

action oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling,

compassionate and idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars

weak, or at least that the justification I give myself for not having a lot

of energy and being more brave like I should with the tropical Mars in

Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's

traits to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how

you view retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this

new information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

@ <%40>

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bettina,

 

Can't wait until Mars straighten its path. Since November, it's been bothering

my Moon making me so moody and sullen.

 

Hopefully, your knee and back pain will be gone soon, too.

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria wrote:

Felica...

 

I've never been able to figure out how retro planets act in the natal chart,

but when they're transitting a strong natal point you really feel them.

Example: several mos ago Mars went retro right on my asc and Saturn

(they're smack together...aaaaaaargh!) , then went back squaring my natal

Mercury, then went direct and is part way through doing all that

again...hasn't hit my asc and Saturn yet, but will soon. During all this

time I suffered a fall that hurt my knee, I strained my back and have had

lower back pain since early November. I've had Mars go over my asc many

times with minimal results, but when it's retro it really does a number.

I've had many other times when I've had Mars hit an angle or natal planet

that were most unpleasant.

 

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:39 AM

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Hello Bettina,

 

You asked if I have the Light of Life book. It's on the way, among others

that have been recommended to me from the gurus in this forum. In a week or

so, I should have about 5-6 Vedic books to get started on :-)

 

Like Therese says, it must be the Tr. Pluto aspecting my sun and Saturn that

is opening up my mind to Vedic astrology at this time. And I get so much

help from everyone here. So amazing!

 

Bettina,

I'm still curious about how retrograde is treated in Vedic astrology. Can

you share what you know about this?

 

Thanks,

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

Felicia...

 

In the Vedic system Pisces would be considered a good sign for Mars because

it's a Jupiter ruled sign and Jupiter and Mars are mutual friends. There's

this whole system of friends, enemies, and neutral. Do you have Light of

Life, the book by Hart de Feuw (sp?) and Robert Zvaboda? It's a very good

basic book on Vedic astrology. It comes in paperback.

 

Sorry, I haven't had time to look at your chart today. I've been running

around like crazy since I got up.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:49 AM

@ <%40>

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I

realize that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be

action oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling,

compassionate and idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars

weak, or at least that the justification I give myself for not having a lot

of energy and being more brave like I should with the tropical Mars in

Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's

traits to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how

you view retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this

new information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

@ <%40>

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, that's right, Felicia, Your Moon is closely cnj my asc and Saturn!

 

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:39 PM

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

 

 

Bettina,

 

Can't wait until Mars straighten its path. Since November, it's been

bothering my Moon making me so moody and sullen.

 

Hopefully, your knee and back pain will be gone soon, too.

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

Felica...

 

I've never been able to figure out how retro planets act in the natal chart,

but when they're transitting a strong natal point you really feel them.

Example: several mos ago Mars went retro right on my asc and Saturn

(they're smack together...aaaaaaargh!) , then went back squaring my natal

Mercury, then went direct and is part way through doing all that

again...hasn't hit my asc and Saturn yet, but will soon. During all this

time I suffered a fall that hurt my knee, I strained my back and have had

lower back pain since early November. I've had Mars go over my asc many

times with minimal results, but when it's retro it really does a number.

I've had many other times when I've had Mars hit an angle or natal planet

that were most unpleasant.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:39 AM

@ <%40>

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Hello Bettina,

 

You asked if I have the Light of Life book. It's on the way, among others

that have been recommended to me from the gurus in this forum. In a week or

so, I should have about 5-6 Vedic books to get started on :-)

 

Like Therese says, it must be the Tr. Pluto aspecting my sun and Saturn that

is opening up my mind to Vedic astrology at this time. And I get so much

help from everyone here. So amazing!

 

Bettina,

I'm still curious about how retrograde is treated in Vedic astrology. Can

you share what you know about this?

 

Thanks,

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

Felicia...

 

In the Vedic system Pisces would be considered a good sign for Mars because

it's a Jupiter ruled sign and Jupiter and Mars are mutual friends. There's

this whole system of friends, enemies, and neutral. Do you have Light of

Life, the book by Hart de Feuw (sp?) and Robert Zvaboda? It's a very good

basic book on Vedic astrology. It comes in paperback.

 

Sorry, I haven't had time to look at your chart today. I've been running

around like crazy since I got up.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:49 AM

@ <%40>

 

RE: Dignities in astrology + retrograde

 

Bettina,

 

I haven't used the concept of exalted and dignified much in my work. I

realize that it could be a big oversight. I intuitively try to apply the

exalted/dignified concept by asking myself something like, " Would a Mars in

Pisces be a strong Mars or a weakened Mars? " Since Mars is supposed to be

action oriented and aggressive/assertive whle Pisces is more feeling,

compassionate and idealistic, I conclude that the Pisces makes the Mars

weak, or at least that the justification I give myself for not having a lot

of energy and being more brave like I should with the tropical Mars in

Pisces.

 

Oh, and what about retrograde planets? How does Jyotish astrology treat

retrograde planets? From my own experience, I just interpret the planet's

traits to be more subtle or internalized, and somewhat delayed. Is that how

you view retrograde planets also?

 

Thanks so much for feeding my mind! I feel just so ecstatic from all this

new information :-)

 

Felicia

 

Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote:

I think that whether a planet is exalted, dignigified, or fallen may just

have to do with the nature of the experiences it brings into the life,

rather than personality traits. For example, if someone has a fallen planet

on the asc they may have something wrong with their physical body. I know

someone with a very visable birth defect who has Mars in Cancer plunk on the

asc, but he has the good Mars qualiies of being hardworking, directed etc.

Let's take Hillary's horoscope. She has Mars in Cancer and there's no lack

of doggedness or determination. Consider too, the houses ruled by the

planet. Whether or not her goals will be realized remains to be seen.

 

A fallen 5th house ruler may indicate problems with offspring or no

offspring. And so on and so forth.

 

....Bettina

 

_____

 

@ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Sari M

Monday, March 17, 2008 6:24 AM

@ <%40>

 

Re: Dignities in astrology

 

Therese wrote:

 

> Mars in Cancer would be likely to act unlike itself whereas Mars in Aries

> or Capricorn would be very strong, not necessarily in a good way since

> Mars

> is a malefic.

 

Sari:

 

My newest tentative theory about dignities is that when a planet is in its

detriment (and I do think that detriments work sidereally), it's simply

weak, not displaying its natural qualities very visibly (for example my

husband's Venus is in sidereal Aries and he's one of the most unsocial

persons I know); when a planet is in its own domicile, it's simply strong.

But when a planet is in its fall, it behaves in a exaggerated, immoderate,

" undignified " way (it fights for survival); and when it's in its exaltation,

 

it behaves in a dignified, even lofty way.

 

Best, Sari