The Zodiac and a Pole Shift

January 11, 2009

Hi everyone,

Just now I had an interesting phone conversation with my granddaughter

who's a student at U.C. Santa Cruz on the California coast. She said there

has been a lot of talk among students of the predicted geographic pole

shift with a target date of 2012 or before. There are a number of books on

this topic, the shift being predicted by Edgar Cayce and many others. One

noted author who has much to say about the shift is Ruth Montgomery

('Strangers Among Us' and 'The World to Come').

Just supposing something like this would happen, would this change the

dates of the equinoxes and solstices (that is, the start of the tropical

zodiac) or only change the climate around the globe? The equator is

supposed to shift its position during the predicted pole shift. Is there

anyone on this forum well versed in astronomy who can answer this question?

Therese

January 12, 2009

Dear Therese,

This is a subject that fascinates me, and I am not replying from an astronomical

view

either, but feel I must share a dream from last January 08.

In the dream I was in a plane or perhaps a flying ship of some type and a man

was pointing

to the land below. It was the Arctic coastline. He told me this is where my

new home

would be. I said to him, ‘that is the Arctic, no way, I don’t like the cold’.

He said to

me, but you will love it there; it is to be the new Paradise on earth.

End of the dream but I thought about it a lot over the year wondering what in

heck it

meant. Many of my dreams are prophetic. Still I can’t imagine this happening

unless

there is a pole shift of some type and so I have actually been thinking that it

must be

coming and since I am already almost sixty, it must be coming soon; otherwise I

will be

too old to be starting that kind of life even if it was paradise in temperature.

It is

also possible that it will be a future lifetime and even so in order for it to

be a

paradise, a pole shift still has to take place.

I will be interested to hear about what an astronomer may have to say if one

does come

forth here.

Morgana

On

Behalf Of Therese Hamilton

January-11-09 2:25 PM

The Zodiac and a Pole Shift

Hi everyone,

Just now I had an interesting phone conversation with my granddaughter

who's a student at U.C. Santa Cruz on the California coast. She said there

has been a lot of talk among students of the predicted geographic pole

shift with a target date of 2012 or before. There are a number of books on

this topic, the shift being predicted by Edgar Cayce and many others. One

noted author who has much to say about the shift is Ruth Montgomery

('Strangers Among Us' and 'The World to Come').

Just supposing something like this would happen, would this change the

dates of the equinoxes and solstices (that is, the start of the tropical

zodiac) or only change the climate around the globe? The equator is

supposed to shift its position during the predicted pole shift. Is there

anyone on this forum well versed in astronomy who can answer this question?

Therese

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January 12, 2009

>the predicted geographic pole shift with a target date of 2012 or before.

>The equator is supposed to shift its position during the predicted pole shift.

Is there anyone on this forum well versed in astronomy who can answer this

question?

>Therese

Astronomically all this speculation is a lot of foolish nonsense and a waste of

time (to use very soft words).

IF the equator (or the poles) were to move, it would be a planetary catastrophe.

More probably, the reference is for a magnetic polar shift (not geographic!),

but this is normal and happens all the time (in very small amounts). In the

geological past there have been many magnetic " inversions " , but the reasons for

it and the phenomenon itself (related to movements iside the earth's mantle) are

not well understood (as far as I know).

The so-called perfect alignment of the earth's pole with the pole of the galaxy

in 2012 is also a lot of " nonsense " .

Of course because of continental drift the equator is migrating in a scale of

many millions of years. To make it happen overnight, if you want something so

catastrophic at a planetary level, wait for a near-earth-asteroid to hit the

earth. This threat is REAL and potentially apocalyptic, but it can happen any

time, it has nothing to do will all the foolish " nonsense " being diseminated

about 2012.

Juan

January 12, 2009

At 03:10 PM 1/11/09 -0800, Morgana wrote:

>Dear Therese,

>

>This is a subject that fascinates me, and I am not replying from an

astronomical view

>either, but feel I must share a dream from last January 08.

>

>In the dream I was in a plane or perhaps a flying ship of some type and a

man was pointing to the land below. It was the Arctic coastline. He told

me this is where

my new home would be. I said to him, ‘that is the Arctic, no way, I don’t

like the cold’. He said to me, but you will love it there; it is to be the

new Paradise on earth.

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Hi Morgana,

Thanks for relating your dream! I've read (I believe in one of Mary Summer

Rain's books) that the arctic region will be much warmer, but that northern

Europe will be frigid. I suppose we might re-construct the new axis from

that information. Though nothing is certain, I guess. My granddaugher also

said that some of her friends have been having dreams of powerful winds and

flooding. I've also read predictions that human lives will be much longer,

so maybe you were seeing a later time in your present life...

Ruth Montgomery has been told by her guides that many with skills the earth

will need will be lifted off in ships for a time until it's safe to return

to earth. Kind of sounds like your dream, doesn't it?! I was quite amazed

that these topics are being freely discussed on university campuses. The

new 'builders' of earth, maybe!

I hope someone replies with information about the equinoxes because it may

be important for the sidereal zodiac if the tropical zodiac hits the skids

because of reorientation.

I have three Cancer biographies that I'm trying to find time to post. I

dunno'--time evaporates.

Therese

January 12, 2009

At 05:31 PM 1/11/09 -0600, Juan wrote:

>IF the equator (or the poles) were to move, it would be a planetary

catastrophe.

Yes, and that's exactly what is predicted, the majority of people now

living would be leaving us. Maybe 75-80 percent. I'm not sure of the number.

>More probably, the reference is for a magnetic polar shift (not

geographic!),

No, it's an axis shift that's predicted. We know that magnetic shifts are

common scientific knowledge. Anyhow, if there *was*, say a 30 degree axis

shift, would this change the dates of the equinoxes?

Therese

January 12, 2009

Thanks Therese,

It is strange to think that this huge shift may just happen after all and soon;

but using

the Tropical Zodiac so many planets will be lining up on the 0 to 3* cardinal

points next

year. Unfortunately my Uranus is 1 Cancer so I will be feeling whatever is

coming for

sure; well I already am with the Pluto opposition right now.

Long ago I read Mary Summer Rain's books. I wonder if she still lives in the

mountains.

I left behind all that new age philosophy quite a long time ago too now. I am

not

surprised that the kids are aware and talking of these things. Look at this

generation

and their planetary line ups in their charts.

Using the Sidereal zodiac takes the emphasis away from 0-3 cardinal activation

though.

Wondering about the elliptic and the zodiac changing boggles one's mind.

Morgana

On

Behalf Of Therese Hamilton

January-11-09 5:20 PM

RE: The Zodiac and a Pole Shift

At 03:10 PM 1/11/09 -0800, Morgana wrote:

>Dear Therese,

>

>This is a subject that fascinates me, and I am not replying from an

astronomical view

>either, but feel I must share a dream from last January 08.

>

>In the dream I was in a plane or perhaps a flying ship of some type and a

man was pointing to the land below. It was the Arctic coastline. He told

me this is where

my new home would be. I said to him, that is the Arctic, no way, I dont

like the cold. He said to me, but you will love it there; it is to be the