Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 At 03:55 AM 7/29/09 -0000, Dave Monroe wrote: >I've found that many Sidereal astrologers fall into two camps; those that slavishly follow Fagan's unfinished explorations as rigid dogma and those that have moved to Joytish/Vedic/Indian methodologies... Well said, and all too true!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Hello Again, Dave: Thanks for this lengthy response. You are clearly ahead of me in some of the technical areas you address. As I said, I am looking forward to your new book. Do let me know when it is available, please. Is your connection with Solar Returns mainly left brain oriented, or do you get into any right brain issues? I ask, because for us over the years, we've observed an interesting, deepening, and evolving experience. For us, relocating these returns has become a yagya . . . a delightful inner experience - a way to dance with the Divine. Over time, that experience has come to permeate all our days, increasing our experience of bliss, meaningfully. Often, the act of rotating the wheels and the subsequent focusing of our intention causes amazing shifts in consciousness. (Honestly, we not been smoking anything.) Warmly, John ============================== David Monroe wrote: > > > John and Therese, thank you for your replies. > I'll address my remarks mainly to John because Therese has been > exposed to some of my thoughts over the past couple of years. > > I have found that writing a book has led me to refine many of my > practices in terms of being able to explain them more clearly and to > take the time in my writing to then illustrate them. Many charts can > be chosen to make a point but I don't shy away from facing up to those > inconsistencies that often arise. In my book, I have a chapter on > Fagan's SQ daily angles charts, a method which I don't favor due to it > not being consistent but only being in the sometimes-it-works, > sometimes-it-doesn't-work category. Yet, the examples I present show > it at its best. I also discuss some phenomena associated with SQ's > that I haven't seen discussed anywhere ---- these being almost > " obvious " to me, and practices which are very revealing. If you are > one who uses SQ's, I can share some of those details. > > In my book, I base much of the procedures on the MC-Solar Cycle, the > cycle that we see reflected in the changing chart positions from one > solar return to the next solar return as the MC advances about 3 signs > and the Sun changes its chart position by about 3 houses. Fagan > describes the reason behind the changes reasonably well, but doesn't > make the case well relative to it being the fundamental cycle behind > the PSSR angles. I diagram the MC-Solar Cycle in several ways, and > then launch off of it to develop a much deeper meaning behind the > interpretation of angle meanings, what the significance of angles > returning to angles (natal to S/R, natal to PSSR) means in terms of > the events one encounters. Along with this I have created a new > mid-point approach which has shown itself to be highly meaningful when > it is activated. All of this goes beyond the everyday practice of > Sidereal astrologers using partile aspects of planets conjuncting > angles----a hit-and-miss practice that seems to drive them to the > necessity of using Novian charts, demi and quarterly returns, returns > of the solar return moon, anything and everything until they stumble > across that one chart that explains everything. > > As you can see, I tend to offend some of the dogmatic crowd, but that > is because of my confidence in what I do and my lack of patience about > those who seem to try overly hard to complicate things as a means of > covering their shortcomings. We all have our weaker areas and I have > eaten humble pie at times, but I know what works for me. So, I am > always for an honest effort to understand and will share with anyone > is is interested. > > As I noted earlier, I can work with either zodiac as a basis for > positional measurement. Not using signs enables this peculiar approach > to work for me. In the past, Therese has attempted to show me how > Sidereal signs apply but I seem to have mental blocks in that area as > to the underlying mythical and rulership relations between the planets > and Sidereal signs coupled with both the distinctions between Tropical > and Sidereal and the source-basis of meanings for the Sidereal signs > --- all of this being an unclear area for me. Dave > > <%40>, " Dr. John D. Andre " > <DrJDAndre wrote: > > > > Hello Dave: > > > > Thanks for this. It sounds like you have a very thoughtful approach. I > > look forward to your coming book. I agree that way too much of our > > beloved astro is dogma driven . . . but then, isn't that simply human > > nature? > > > > I mainly 'lurk' in the background, not having too much to say - > > attempting to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too often. I've been a > > student of the stars for about 45 years, and consider myself a devoted > > learner. My ignorance still outweighs my knowledge. I am plagued by > > too many interests and have difficulty keeping a narrow focus > (astrology > > is a banquet, and I cannot talk myself into bringing a brown paper sack > > to this feast). I've been relocating both Tropical and Sidereal Solar > > returns for about 20 years. My methods evolve over time. My eclectics > > are very much results driven. We've been relocating all the planetary > > returns for about 10 years (both T. & S.). This and locational astro > > are my main passions. Life is good. > > > > Warmly, John > > =========================================== > > > > David Monroe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, " Dr. John D. Andre " > > > <DrJDAndre@> wrote: Will your book be from a sidereal point of view? > > > > > > > REPLY: Because the Sidereal market is so thin, I've cast the book > > > primarily within precession-corrected solar return and daily angles > > > charts, hoping to tap into the broad Tropical-oriented market. > > > > > > That said, there is a lot for Sidereal-oriented astrologers to > > > consider in terms of the techniques presented in the book. Some of > > > those who follow the practices of Fagan will find that I break > some of > > > his rules and that I don't use many of the chart-types that he > > > explored shortly before his passing. I've also developed new methods > > > that I have not seen anyone talk about in print. In any case the > > > package of charts and methods I advocate have worked well for me over > > > three decades and the simplicity of my approach should help Tropical > > > astrologers see the merits of what Fagan's groundwork offers them. > > > > > > I've not had the opportunity to " talk " with you prior to this. Can > you > > > indicate what your practice and approach is? I've found that many > > > Sidereal astrologers fall into two camps; those that slavishly follow > > > Fagan's unfinished explorations as rigid dogma and those that have > > > moved to Joytish/Vedic/Indian methodologies. There seem to be only a > > > few middle ground Siderealists such as our Therese on this list. I am > > > comfortable working in a Sidereal format, but since I don't use > signs, > > > rulerships or houses (except I do use houses in natal work) it is of > > > little consequence to me with the focus being on planets and angles > > > and the other approaches I use. 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