Relocation

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Hi David:

 

That is more clear - thanks.

 

I have Ciro's book - just finished reading it. I love his strong voice;

he is fun to read. His simplicity of approach mirrors mine well. We

both agree on the concept that it is what it is, no matter what anyone

else says it should be (dogma).

 

When cranking on SR charts, I look at both natal and relocated to the

area of the present residence. My experience is extensive (me, my wife,

my son, many patients), and in total agreement with Ciro when he says:

" You just gotta be there at the time of the return. " By traveling on

ones 'birthday' one can change their karma. To that I will add that it

can be rather stressful if one is 'rotating' a chart out of a big stress

and into a wonderful year - and one hurries into that location and then

hurries out again. I've actually had to pull over to the side of the

road and take a nap in order to deal with the impact of the transition

caused by relocating my SR.

 

Wonderful it would be to get a copy of Jeffery's book. Can you help

with this?

 

I've been _VERY_ happy with my Kepler (now Sirius) software. David

Cochrane's math is perfect (Sidereal and Tropical), IMO. Plus, the

visual presentation of his chart wheels is an eye-gasm. I have a number

of other programs, but David's has been my mainstay since the

floppy-disk-days.

 

Warmly, John

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David Monroe wrote:

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> John, I use relocated Solar Returns, and daily angles charts, for the

> place where one lives. In my view, if the location and time of our

> birth is of such importance to us (and I believe it is, of course)

> then our move to another place where we live, work and identify with

> is also of great importance. I use these relocation-places when a

> study-subject or client has been there long enough to identify with

> the place or when life's circumstances (marriage, job, family) take

> that person there. This has been shown through our personal work (all

> of us) and through published works as typified by Astro-cartography,

> now a part of most purchased astrological software.

>

> However, I have not explored in depth (only casually) the concept of

> relocating for one birthday or solar return day. About a year or so

> ago when I was trying to get a Solunars Study Group going for the NCGR

> I was contacted by an Italian astrologer who specializes in relocated

> Solar Returns (for a day, or a vacation) as a means of setting up

> one's opportunities and environment for the coming year. His name

> escapes me at the moment --- I'm in Maine at our vacation home --- and

> I don't have his book handy. The book may have been called Transits to

> Solar Returns. It is very lengthy. In any case, he uses a

> sophisticated Italian software program which permits him to easily and

> quickly relate Tropical Solar Returns to a variety of locations where

> certain planets and experiences are likely (and where his clients will

> find nice accomdations). He records what he advises his clients and

> then records the feedback from those clients, and now has a database

> that numbers in the many thousands. This is the primary work that he

> engages in. You have to respect a professional sho is that organized

> and dedicated to his craft and clients.

>

> Another recent book using this short-term relocation approach to S/R

> charts was done by Jeffery Geist, his book (which I obtained as a

> pre-published copy) is spiral bound and very extensive. All of his

> very many charts (using the full arsenal of Fagan's explorations) are

> collected at the back of the book. This is a bit of a bother when one

> is reading/studying his text, but it makes writing/formatting easier.

> In any case, the nature of the book is talking about the nature of the

> relocation experience as an experience, feelings meditation, and

> possible redirection. It seems, in spite of its length, to be less

> involved in explaining the process, the charting, the astrological

> concepts. I owe him a reply as he wished to have some feedback. At the

> time, the book was to extensive to read in a short time frame, I was

> busy with my own book, and I wasn't all that into the

> relocate-for-a-day approach.

>

> I had run a number of charts while writing my book, charts which I

> didn't use (how many can you stuff into 200+ pages?) but I remember

> how several relocated charts were so indicative of the subject's life

> and experiences. Yoko Ono (Tokyo to New York), Katherine Zeta-Jones

> (Wales to Hollywood to New York where she married Michael Douglas, and

> then to Bermuda where they now live), Rush Limbaugh (from the

> Mississippi River to New York to Florida) and the many events in his

> life which is a one-man-validation of icon-astrology if there ever was

> one.

>

> Perhaps that Italian astrologer's name was Ciro Disperelli or

> something like that. Amazon.com should be able to locate him. His book

> was about $30 as I remember, probably available in used format for

> much less. He had several I-can't-believe-that claims relative to

> transiting planets in houses and in contact with natal planets, where

> they were strong and weak, what the houses meant that were quite

> striking in terms of their going against the current astrological

> grain. After the book work, I'm going to have to contact him and see

> just what he uses for a combined astro-business software package. He

> has lots of books that he has published, it's just that they are in

> Italian or French, only one or two in English.

>

> I use several software packages, primarily Halloran and Riyal32. This

> latter package is very mathematically sound in terms of providing

> Sidereal charts. Riyal is freeware offered by Juan Revilla of Costa

> Rica, one of the best in the field in terms of positional astrology.

> As I understand it, Solar Fire rounds off many of its progression

> features for Sidereal charts and is not very accurate. It's one of

> those packages that offers extensive bells and whistles but the bells

> are slightly out of tune. This has been relayed to me by others so one

> has to take these statements with a cautionary note. However, the

> charts that others have offered to share seem to sustain this reported

> view. Yet, there have been so many versions of this software package

> that one has to be cautious as to what one claims.

>

> Dave

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John, " floppy disk days " were so long ago. Back in the late 70's I was looking

at the DR-70 but ended up with a Commodore PET (Personal Electronic Translator?)

and some Matrix software. This was long before the Radio Shack TRS-80 and Apple

and IBM PC. 5 1/2 " floppy disks, held 170 KB of data. Wow!

 

Yes, Ciro is his name. A good book and interesting views. You'll have to wait

until I return home before I can get information on Giest's book. He is

probably a NCGR member if you have a member list. He did advertise, or was

listed in the weekly e-mail in the section where member-written books are noted.

 

So now, the next obvious bit of curiosity has to be approached. What do you do

with Solar Returns relative to determining when their promise/indications will

manifest? In the most basic sense, I use a form of PSSR chart --- but not the

progressed Moon --- and a hit-list of MC-Ascendant angles for each day of the

year, along with a set of different techniques than I've seen used. Sometimes I

set up a chart to step-progress through the year so I can watch the angles move

and the natal and transit planets move from day to day against the changing

angles.

 

I take the approach that the natal chart represents our potential and framework

for growth and experience. The natal chart can't be experienced all at once.

The S/R represents our annual theme or our current opportunity and focus. The

daily angles chart represents the experiences that are brought before us. In

these cyclic charts, some of the natal planets or parts of natal aspect patterns

are sometimes angular (near the angles, not necessarily partile) or the

transiting versions are angular and will activate part of the natal chart. On

top of this I look for angles-at-angles --- for example, the natal Ascendant at

the S/R MC might indicate you being a spokesperson for an organization, or

having to articulate your personal goals and reputation, etc. I also use some

other developed techniques and special mid-points as part of a connected-chart

system (natal, S/R, and daily angles). Although simple in its concept, it is

overly complex to describe adequately within a posting. What has amazed me

continuously over the years as I've refined this approach is that it works so

smoothly and consistently. For that I have to really thank Cyril Fagan. His

Sidereal techniques gave me so much when I discovered them in the early 70's in

American Astrology.

 

Dave