Sidereal Scorpio--Part 2

August 17, 2009

SCORPIO HOROSCOPES

Posted by Therese Hamilton, 8-16-09

Seaching ADB for Scorpio horoscopes turned out to be a very interesting

exercise, and I'm now anxious to do the same kind of search for the

remaining 11 signs. I searched for two types of charts:

(1) Scorpio stelliums which incluced Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury

(2) Charts with Sun in Scorpio in 10th square the ascendant within 7

degrees. These charts invariably had additional planets in Scorpio.

In all there were 28 charts with enough information in the biography to use

for this research project.

(Remember that in general these would be in tropical Sagittarius, though

planets very early in sidereal Scorpio would also be in tropical Scorpio.)

FINDINGS:

8 charts belonged to media personalities and actors/actresses

7 belonged to sports professionals

3 belonged to teachers/professors, writers who founded their own schools

3 were activists or politicians

3 were performing musicians (singers)

1 pragmatic astrologer who worked with factual data and had a number of

surgeries

3 really bad criminals (murder)

Now at first glance this seems like an eclectic group, but when

biographical data is studied, there are some common themes. Note that there

are no " loner " occupations in this group--no artists or designers or

writers who create in isolation. No lab technicians or lone inventors. So

let's take a look at the individuals: The words in all caps are suggested

Scorpio traits.

Howard Sheldon (4 planet stellium plus So Node in 2nd and 3rd), astrologer,

radio show host listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as taking

388,289 phone calls in a single night. (SPEED, HIGH ENERGY)

Incidentally, Sheldon has the same birth date as the infamous and macabre

mass murderer, Ted Bundy, whom I'll discuss later.

Dick Clark (4 planet stellium), " oldest living teenager, " emcee, disk

jockey. Called " indefatigable " (More quotes below)

Danny DeVito (4 planet stellium), actor, director (his quotes below)

Alessandro Momo (N Node, Sun, Saturn, Mercury in 10th); Actor, SEX SYMBOL

(Personality not known)

Lorraine Kelly (5 planet stellium in 12th); Journalist, TV presenter;

Impressed her employers with the SPEED that she arrived on locations.

Called the SEXIEST woman on TV.

Eric Edwards (Venus, Sun, Mercury in 7th); PORN STAR [sex] in over 500

films; Also director and film editor--ACTIVE

SPORTS (7)

ALL of the sports people (athletes, commentators, managers, owners) were

involved in TEAM sports: rugby, baseball, soccer, football, hockey. Olympic

hockey coach Shannon Miller was also a police woman (Sun/Mer/Moon/Ve/Mars

in Scorpio 6th and 7th)

ACTIVISTS

James Groppi (Sun/Mer/Ve/MC in 10th) Priest who was ACTIVE IN CIVIL RIGHTS.

David Feinberg (N Node/Sun/Sat/Mer/MC in 10th); POLITICAL ACTIVIST,

arrested several times.

TEACHERS/PROFESSORS

(3) Wrote books, founded schools (with a MISSION to " spread the word " )

These include Karen Hamaker-Zondag (Sun/Mercury in 10th) Why was she a

teacher/writer rather than an athelete? This is where Hellenistic astrology

is helpful. Both Sun and Mercury are in the terms of Mercury. Also included

is Bruno Huber whose 10th house Sun is in the terms of Mercury.

(3) Singers/songwriters (all with Scorpio stelliums); Why a singing

profession rather than athletics?

Harry Chapin: Mercury applies to Venus (2 degree orb) in the terms of

Saturn in the 5th in Venus-ruled Taurus)

Gene Clark: Venus on the ascendant (folk and country ROCK)

Livingston Taylor: (Sun/Ve/Me/MC Scorpio); Venus applies to Mercury

All three are ENERGETIC PERFORMERS

CRIMINALS

Pablo Escobar, drug kingpin and TERRORIST. Why? MC/Sun/Mer in 10th in

Scorpio, but squared by Mars/Saturn in Leo in terms of Mars. Sun/Mercury

" collects " the energy of " Martian " Saturn/Mars in the 7th.

And finally the infamous Ted Bundy (Mer/Sun/S.Node/Mars/Moon in Scorpio in

4th) It's interesting to compare Bundy's chart with Howard Sheldon who was

born the same day, but much earlier. In Sheldon's chart Mars is at the end

of the stellium, not applying to any planet. In Bundy's chart Mars has

moved to within a few degrees of applying to the Moon. There are other

differences, but this illustrates the importance of the order of planets in

a stellium, one of the factors emphasized in both Jyotish and Hellenistic

astrology. Containment is important: Which two planets enclose any other

planet.

SUMMARY

It would seem that in general Scorpio is a youthful, high octane, energetic

sign. Those with planets in Scorpio will want to be " up and doing. " They

may excel as a member of sports teams, be political, social or religious

activists, be teachers with a cause who may enjoy founding schools for the

dissemination of doctrine, or they may be energetic media hosts or

performing musicians or actors/actresses who take youthful, athletic roles.

This is not a sign for quiet studious occupations, and it's not a sign for

artists who may mainly work alone in their studios. In this list there are

no work-alone artists or designers or other occupations that aren't linked

to many others in the environment. The writers in the group are also

activists or teacher/founders.

SOME QUOTES:

Dick Clark: " What I do...is what people want. "

Off camera, Clark was known as a driven perfectionist and demanding

taskmaster with an ego-deflating temper.

" I hate lazy people... "

A patron of perpetual youth.

" I've been real lucky to be involved in SO MANY PEOPLE'S lives.

Danny DeVito:

Active in SOCIAL CAUSES

" It's only got to do with who you are and your ABILITY TO SNOW PEOPLE into

giving you work. "

Because the ADB bios are mostly very brief, often the information isn't

there for sign concepts. Then we have to extrapolate judged on news reports

or how individuals actually spend their lives. Ideally, the discussion of

sign traits would take place in a large classroom of astrologers who

possess stacks of charts of people they know with large sign stelliums. As

can be seen from this brief discussion of Scorpio, the actual traits are

probably rather simple and fundamental. They don't involve complex

psychology, which is always in the planets.

Traits seem rather to relate to a type of energy the person expresses or is

comfortable with in the environment. Thus, an occupation or profession

relates to that energy. Scorpio doesn't want to sit at home twiddling its

thumbs. It wants to perform, organize, teach, act, be involved in life in

the world outside.

August 18, 2009

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--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

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