Sidereal Aquarius--Part 1

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NOTES ON SIDEREAL AQUARIUS

Therese Hamilton, August 20, 2009

(abridged draft only)

 

First a few words about theories that can be related to sidereal Aquarius.

In Hellenistic and later times this trigon of signs (Gemini, Libra,

Aquarius) was said to come under the rulership of Saturn by day and Mercury

by night. Thus we see that Saturn is exalted in Libra and at home in

Aquarius while Gemini is Mercury's diurnal sign. Like the other three

trigons, these three signs form a unit of a specific energy type.

 

I place this trigon in the " cold " category partly because of Saturn's

dominance of this trigon and its exaltation in Libra. Sidereal Aquarius

belongs in the diurnal (male) category, but is female in the sense that it

operates from a feeling base rather than reason. As one of the more

sensitive signs, typically Aquarius will periodically withdraw into

solitude to allow for psychic ad physical regeneration.

 

Astrologers have rather solidly placed Uranus with Aquarius, even though in

the tropical zodiac this is something of a mis-match. To understand Uranus

as it relates to the zodiac, we have to review mythology. Uranus is

actually the oldest of the gods assigned to the zodiac, as Gaia (Mother

Earth) was the first to emerge from Chaos, and it was she who brought forth

Uranus, the starry sky. This makes Uranus the most remote of all the gods,

and this can apply as well to sidereal Aquarius, which (as tropical Pisces)

is a little understood sign. Isabelle Pagan describes Uranus well:

 

" ...The impression left upon the mind of the student after meditating on

the myths...is of something remote, far-off, immeasurable, vast,

indescribable and undefinable. "

 

This sign (as tropical Pisces) has been called the victim or martyr. Why

is this when the traditional lord of Pisces, Jupiter, was the ruler of all

the gods with supreme power was never anyone's victim?

 

The myths of Uranus and Cronus (later Saturn) much better relate to

victimization. With Uranus Gai bore the Titans, Cyclops and Cronus.

However, Uranus hated his children and would not let them see the light. He

pushed them back into the lap of Gaia. However, with a sickle given to him

by Gaia, Cronus castrated Uranus and destroyed his power of generation.

Cronus took over the role of leadership. The myth of Uranus at least partly

explains why the planet has been associated with unexpected disasters and

sudden events. There is also the suggestion that since Uranus is the most

remote of all the planetary gods, this energy may relate to deeper psychic

and spiritual realms unseen by the ordinary man.

 

The next question has to do with Cronus/Saturn, the traditional lord of

Aquarius. Since the two planets are associated with the same sign, it would

seem there should be some similarity. Since it's the old legends of Cronus

which link him to Saturn, Cronus rather than Saturn is the deity most

closely associated with Aquarian myths. Both Cronus and Uranus refused to

give freedom to their children, and both were victims of violence

and subversive action when their children rose against them.

 

Like Uranus, Cronus hated his own children because he very much feared

Gaia's prophecy that he would be displaced by one of his children. Cronus

is often shown in paintings devouring his children, not a happy picture.

Gaia's prophecy came true as Zeus (later Jupiter) was the victor over his

father, Cronus, who was imprisoned in dark Tartarus.

 

We know that as a planet, today's Saturn can be prone to isolation,

depression, fear and worry. These feelings may perhaps sometimes be

transferred to planets in Aquarius, one of the more inner focused zodiac

signs. Certainly the concept of darkness has become associated with Saturn

as well as dark clothing and dark thoughts (depression and melancholy).

 

The above paragraphs are a very brief survey of mythology as it relates to

Uranus and Cronus/Saturn, but the surprise is how much these myths are

reflected in today's Aquarius stelliums. There were only 15 charts in ADB 4

with stelliums in Aquarius composed of the Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus

and/or Mars with enough biographical information to use for this study. All

these charts can be looked up on the Wiki ADB site.

 

A. The largest number of charts fall into the " victim " and " distress "

categories:

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(1) Natalie Cortez, a child whose early illnesses left her hopelessly retarded.

(2) Nadia Maso, the lone survivor of her murdered family.

(3) A father (Family Distress 13106) of an S.I.D.S. child (sudden infant

death syndrome).

(4) A suicide (Suicide: Hanged 8135); We can assume serious emotional and

depressive issues.

(5) Nathalie Merignon, a terrorist accused of murder

 

(6) Actress Florence Henderson (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury in Aquarius) is a

good example of how difficult Aquarius can be:

 

Florence was one of 10 children of a poor share cropper. She recalled

working in the fields helping her father grow tobacco. She developed a

severe hearing problem at age 22 which turned out to be hereditary. Shee

suffered from chronic back pain (spina bifida). She also suffered from

severe stage fright and developed a fear of flying after the death of her

brother. Diagnosed with hypoglycemia, she had panic attacks, and a phobia

of a fear of falling and losing control (stage fright) It's interesting

that Saturn is *not* part of Florence Henderson's Aquarius stellium, and

that Jupiter is the most elevated planet in her chart. However, she has a

Sagittarius ascendant with Jupiter as the most elevated planet, but with a

close opposition from Uranus on cusp 4.

 

B. Then we have (for the times) four sexual irregularities:

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(1) a Tansvestite/prostitute (Transvestite 25910)

(2) Homosexual 12591

(3) Homosexual 8791

(4) Brian Grieg, an openly gay senator (Sun, Mercury, Mars and Saturn

applying to the Moon, all in Aquarius) who was an activist for the gay

Australian gay community. (Note the importance of Mars applying to the

Moon--activism.)

 

C. Of the 4 charts remaining with stelliums in Aquarius we have:

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(1) UFO sighting 14046 (Ve/Mo/Sa/Sun/Mer in Aquarius in 9th)

 

(2) Three charts that belong to the astrology/arts complex (research shows

these to be linked):

 

Cheryl Fournier, an astrologer (No other biographical information.)

Francesco Piccolo, author whose writings focused on family structure,

First-Born Children, and only

children in the family, true Uranian/Saturnian themes.

Alexis Curvers who wrote " Pius XII, The Outraged Pope. "

 

If we compare these charts to those with stelliums in Scorpio, it's obvious

that these are very different chart groupings. In the next post I'll

discuss the 34 charts that had Sun in Aquarius in 10th square the ascendant.

 

On a topic unrelated to Greek mythology, but as part of Aquarian symbolism,

the sky area of the stars of Aquarius has the cross-cultural connection to

the waters of the earth and sky. During Uranus' transit of sidereal

Aquarius we've seen the great Indonesian quake/tsunami and the destruction

of New Orleans by floods along with other less severe flooding events

throughout the world.

 

A note for Dave Monroe:

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Dave, I believe I remember you wrote somewhere that you weren't drawn to

any symbolism that as culture specific, which the Greek Pantheon certainly

is. But is there a better explanation for the sign " auras " as they might be

called? The Greek and Roman Pantheons are exactly the foundation on which

today's astrology is built. Indian astrologers substituted their own

deities, but retained the western planetary names along with those deities.

India also adopted the standard Hellenistic divisions of signs, rulerships

and exaltations. Other cultures mainly emphasized the planets.

 

Today we live in a very small world tied together by jet speed and

instant internet communication. It's also interesting how similar older

Mesopotamian concepts are to the later Hellenistic deities and specific

areas of the constellational sky.

 

Therese

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REPLY:

Therese, I have been following your posts closely. The direction you are

following seems like that which I have found in the several Vedic or Joytish

(I'm not sure what term is best applied) books that I now have. This approach,

as you continue to present it, and as I think about it, will require a careful

readjustment in our concept of sign meanings and the manner in which we apply

them. In that vein, I believe your efforts are particularly important at this

point in the life of Sidereal astrology. In terms of sign meanings/applications

there is nobody else that appears to be pursuing the bascis such as you are

doing.

 

I'm presently finishing up a tour of precession-corrected astrology for a

beginner group on another site, and finishing a painting of Booth bay Harbor in

Maine --- a panoramic view of part of the downtown waterfront of that quaint

little fishing village and tourist mecca. In another day or so, I'll start to

more closely review the material you have presented.

 

My earnest thanks for your efforts in this area. Dave

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At 03:02 PM 8/21/09 -0000, Dave Monroe wrote:

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>Therese, I have been following your posts closely. The direction you are

following seems like that which I have found in the several Vedic or

Joytish (I'm not sure what term is best applied) books that I now have.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks very much for replying. " Vedic " is patently incorrect, though it's

now being used by the western Jyotish groups. " Jyotish " means the science

of (astronomical) light, so those who are particular about terms prefer

that term. I was surprised that you said my direction was similar to that

in your Jyotish books, since Jyotish doesn't talk about western deities.

Many of the newer Jyotish books have already incorporated strictly western

tropical concepts. I always go back to the earlier books before Jyotish

became so popular in the west. (That is, the early 90s when it all began in

California..)

 

You wrote: " This approach, as you continue to present it, and as I think

about it, will require a careful readjustment in our concept of sign

meanings and the manner in which we apply them. In that vein, I believe

your efforts are particularly important at this point in the life of

Sidereal astrology. In terms of sign meanings/applications there is nobody

else that appears to be pursuing the bascis such as you are doing. "

 

Well, let's see how it all turns out. This approach could not have been

taken without today's computerized chart collections. It's true that the

western sidereal community has mainly discarded zodiac signs. This will

work as long as dispositors aren't valid. But if they do happen to work,

then western sidereal astrology will need to reconsider signs. I think most

astrolgers want more than math, which is why many of the early western

sidereal astrologers moved to Jyotish. They couldn't let go of a more

complex appraoch.

 

You wrote: >I'm presently finishing up a tour of precession-corrected

astrology for a beginner group on another site...

 

Great! I hope some are listening.

 

You wrote:... " and finishing a painting of Booth bay Harbor in Maine --- a

panoramic view of part of the downtown waterfront of that quaint little

fishing village and tourist mecca...

 

Wow, you're an artist too! This is the grouping complex that's showing up

in my research--many (maybe most) astrologers today are also artists,

writers or musicians. I think this is a strictly modern correlation since

in earlier centuries astrologers had to be mathemeticians to compute all

their charts by hand. They probably weren't artists or musicians.

 

I absolutely love those fishing village scenes, and have several water

color books by noted painters with those scenes. (I spent a summer in Maine

many years ago, and hated to leave.) I used to paint, but my ability has

gone the way of the wind since I didn't have time for both painting and

astrology. Painting is so good for the soul, whereas astrology comes with

many frustrations and puzzles.

 

Therese

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Therese noted, " (snip) I was surprised that you said my direction was similar to

that in your Jyotish books, since Jyotish doesn't talk about western deities. "

 

REPLY: No, the western deities aren't noted. What I was referring to was the

association of the signs with direction, weather, animals, health, and things

that are not attitudes, feelings or modifiers of planetary expression. The

attributes associated with a given sign seem to be able to be applied to

specific narrow areas but are not widely applied to affecting a planet as it may

be experienced.

 

In your findings, or developing concepts, the way a god/deitie acted or the

attitudes they were primarily/mythically known for would seem to be the

influence that might be given to a planet found in that sign. This is quite

different from the " pages of appropriate or possible Tropical meanings " that one

would apply or consider. In this sense, applying a possible Sidereal sign

meaning might be much clearer and specific.

 

As you noted, it will take time and effort to determine just what a Sidereal

influence might be. We are dealing with three short phases of history here:

The application of Tropical influences to Sidereal signs as applied by the early

pioneers of the " New Sidereal Zodiac " , the long period (30 plus years) of

non-development in the public realm, and now a small attempt to pick up where

other's have left off.

 

This is why I consider this an important effort. Dave

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At 06:45 PM 8/21/2009 +0000, Dave Monroe wrote:

 

>REPLY: No, the western deities aren't noted. What I was referring to was

>the association of the signs with direction, weather, animals, health, and

>things that are not attitudes, feelings or modifiers of planetary expression.

 

Oh, yes. That's the old Hellenistic way of looking at signs that was used

until the advent of psychological astrology around the turn of the 20th

century. Because Jyotish also uses astrology in the same way, it's strong

evidence that India's horoscopic astrology did indeed come from the west.

 

>You wrote: 'In your findings, or developing concepts, the way a god/deity

>acted or the attitudes they were primarily/mythically known for would seem

>to be the influence that might be given to a planet found in that sign.'

 

That's more or less what I'm doing, carrying over the ancient idea of

planetary gods being the protectors of the signs. Actually what I'm doing

is rather similar to what Fagan, Gleadow and others did in their

research--simply noting that some of the observed traits in tropical signs

relate to the sidereal sign rulers in the same area of the ecliptic.

However, they didn't mention western mythology, and I suspect they wouldn't

have liked the idea. But most of the planetary symbolism comes from

Mesopotamia and Greek and Roman mythology.

 

>You wrote: " This is quite different from the " pages of appropriate or

>possible Tropical meanings " that one would apply or consider. In this

>sense, applying a possible Sidereal sign meaning might be much clearer and

>specific.'

 

Yes, if the symbolism holds. So much of tropical sign symbolism is

speculation or blatently made up.

 

>You wrote: " As you noted, it will take time and effort to determine just

>what a Sidereal influence might be. We are dealing with three short

>phases of history here: The application of Tropical influences to

>Sidereal signs as applied by the early pioneers of the " New Sidereal

>Zodiac " , the long period (30 plus years) of non-development in the public

>realm, and now a small attempt to pick up where other's have left off.

 

Yes, but now we have the advantage of thousands of horoscopes in which to

check symbolism. But (as always) the sign influence is much less than the

planets themselves. The question is whether it matters if a planet is in

one sign or the other.

 

Edgar Cayce used to do aura chart readings where he frequently mentioned

the planets and signs. He'd say something like, " Color Venus in rose and

blue, and around Venus place 4 symbols for Sagittarius, very small and in

black. " No doubt he was emphasizing the insignificance of signs when

compared to planets. For astrologers the main question involves

dispositorship. When there's a stellium of planets in a sign, does the

placement of the dispositor help to explain how that stellium operates?

 

Well, this new computer isn't going on-line right, so now I have to take it

in to the tech guys to see what's wrong.

 

Therese

 

 

 

>This is why I consider this an important effort. Dave

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