Aquarian Astro Twins & predicitive practices

[Guest guest]

Therese, I'd like to clarify a few points from my side of the discussion

relative to my predictive practices. One example cannot convey all of the

factors I consider to be contributive to that end.

 

Therese noted: " The CD point may be the major contribution from you upcoming

book. "

REPLY: Actually, I consider the CD point to be a casual result of observation

and a supportive factor in the process I use, but not the major or a major

contribution of the book. The MC-SOLAR CYCLE is the primary underpinning of the

whole process!

 

The MC-SOLAR CYCLE was not named as such in Fagan's Primer of Sidereal

Astrology, and was noted as part of his mathematical steps concerning the PSSR

charts. In his rush to explore the application in his " new " Sidereal concepts

he seems to have passed right by this central concept. Surely, the Tropical

astrologers have not made much of this cycle even though some have commented on

the changes in the Solar Return angles and sun position from year to year.

 

The MC-SOLAR CYCLE has its obvious roots in those successive S/R charts and we

all technically understand that those Sun and MC positions can be advanced at

two different-but-interconnected rates which produce the basis for PSSR charts.

What I believe we fail to fully appreciate is that these ever changing angles

and cycle have deeper meanings:

 

A) The cycle emphasizes the integration of the natal, solar return and PSSR

charts. We can see that the natal chart represents a basic orientation towards

ones life which we can call both " potential " and a basic operating mode. The

Solar Return is a marker point, as is an MC Return chart, in that

ever-continuing cycle --- it therefore can be seen as a " theme or focus " chart

in which specific components of the natal chart are brought forward to be

experienced and to contribute to the development of the natal chart's

" potential. " The PSSR chart (all or any of them during our S/R year) represents

the opportunity for expression, experience, development, challenge and progress

when the angles and any natal/transit planets combine within that chart.

 

B) The cycle of angular movement brings an essential ebb and flow into our lives

wherein natal planets, transiting planets, the S/R chart's reorientation of

Sun/MC (time/place) all come to us. The angular movement brings up the obvious

MC-Return situation as well as the less-obvious but equally important

angles-contacting-angles situation. This has been unrecognized and/or

under-appreciated by almost all sidereal astrologers, in my view. It was this

phenomena that started my exploration into Solar Returns over my-then favorite

Lunar Return explorations. The angualr combinations have interpretive meaning!

This goes far beyond planets-at-angles, as it deals with how we deal with the

chart's reorientation and our mirroring reorientation as to how we see and deal

with the world!

 

C) The integration of the natal-s/r-PSSR charts through the MC-SOLAR CYCLE

brings the planet-patterns and planet-positions forward into the next

more-focused chart when any of those components are angular. This is where the

" similarity patterns " (groupings of specific planets in one chart appearing

more-or-less and regrouped in another chart) emphasize the role of natal

conditioning, solar return opportunity and daily experience as being related and

necessary to our growth and development. We can't experience the potential of

the natal chart all at once. We often have to repeat those experiences in order

to fully incorporate them into our lives. So, I have both elevated the

importance of " similarity patterns " and demonstrated a way to illustrate them

for interpretive practices in my book. I know we all appreciate the fact that a

Sun-square-Mars pattern in a natal chart can be activated by transits in some

cases. But " similarity patterns " advance that concept as a means of integrating

the whole interpretive process (the whole natal, s/r, PSSR chart(s)) so that we

can better define and time the likely experiences we face on a given day.

 

Therese, I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify my approach to the

predictive and timing process. I feel that " prediction " is a popular phrase for

what some of us attempt to do, but that " event definition and timing " might be a

more accurate phrase. This does require, as you so astutely noted, walking a

fine line between the psychological approach so many of us have had thrust upon

us and a more factual/actual/event/action/inherent approach that the planet

symbolism and chart-type and chart-orientation of these " newer " practices can

offer us. Thanks again for being so open-minded and receptive to earnest

efforts. Dave

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification, Dave. Very clear and well written. A keeper.

I only wish I had more time to work with this type of technique. If fate

adds many more years to my life, I'll have time when my current research is

finished. Since I have a history of incomplete projects, I'm trying

mightily to stay on track this time. I'm very conscious of the passing

years. Each year goes by in about a month.

 

I'm wondering how many siderealists have been following your lead. I know

they'll be irritated with the tropical zodiac, even though they don't pay

much attention to signs. But I hope they'll see the value of the methods.

Of course, as you've said, you're aiming for the much larger tropical

community.

 

I admit a firm sidereal bias, and I don't like to read anything that

references tropical signs. I tend to agree with Cyril Fagan: There is no

tropical zodiac. No doubt that's why I volunteered to monitor this forum,

which is owned by someone else.

 

Yet some of the Jyotish people, led by Ernst Wilhelm, are claiming Jyotish

techniques work better in the tropical zodiac! It will be interesting to

see how all this plays out. Wilhelm believes (at present) that India's

original zodiac was tropical.

 

Therese

 

At 01:29 PM 8/23/09 -0000, Dave Monroe wrote:

>Therese, I'd like to clarify a few points from my side of the discussion

relative to my predictive practices. One example cannot convey all of the

factors I consider to be contributive to that end...

 

....I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify my approach to the

predictive and timing process. I feel that " prediction " is a popular

phrase for what some of us attempt to do, but that " event definition and

timing " might be a more accurate phrase. This does require, as you so

astutely noted, walking a fine line between the psychological approach so

many of us have had thrust upon us and a more

factual/actual/event/action/inherent approach that the planet symbolism and

chart-type and chart-orientation of these " newer " practices can offer us.

Thanks again for being so open-minded and receptive to earnest efforts.