Planetary Friends (was Aquarian Astro Twins)

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Hi...

 

I'm a little confused as to which part of this past discussion (August 22,

2009) you're referring to. I know that Jyotish permanent friends and

enemies seem to be firmly based on the ancient Mesopotamian and Greek

trigons, as listed in the post below. The use of these trigons was not

based on aspects, but on the four sets of three triplicities. The

relationship of Greek to Jyotish friends and enemies has been discussed on

the ACT Hellenistic forum. I never did work extensively with temporary

friends and enemies, so cannot comment on those from experience.

 

If you give the page number in Yavanajataka that you're referring to, I can

get a better idea of your commentary.

 

Thanks,

Therese

 

At 08:16 AM 11/4/2009 +0000, ccjohans wrote:

>Pingree in his Yavanajataka gives a different explanation, " Satya " changed

>the rule for temporary friendships so that 8th is also friendly and it

>balances while at the same time making the temporary friendships to be the

>permanent ones. I am suspicious of all this since Pingree does not mention

>any western astrologer using these concepts. (The normal western procedure

>would be to look at the standard aspects between the signs, so Saturn-Sun,

>Venus-Mars, Jupiter-Mercury are enemies. Saturn-Mercury, Mars-Jupiter,

>Mercury-Venus friends. In this scheme Mercury would also be the planet

>with fewest enemies overall, and the Seleucids also considered it to be

>neutral. Indian astrology also generally ignores such sign compatibility

>considerations altogether.)

>

> , Therese Hamilton <eastwest

>wrote:

> >

> > At 05:38 PM 8/22/09 -0700, Stephen Glaser wrote:

> > >In Jyotish, Mercury and Jupiter are also enemies...

> >

> > Jupiter is a neutral for Mercury, but Mercury is said to be an enemy to

> > Jupiter. I don't pay much attention to that one.

> >

> > >>Actually, Mercury, I understand also doesn't like the Moon and Mars

> either.

> >

> > The Moon harms Mercury because it's the emotional mind, and Mercury is said

> > to represent clear thinking and objective perception. However, any writer

> > of popular fiction or poetry will usually have a Moon-Mercury contact. Mars

> > is neutral to Mercury.

> >

> > >>I was going to ask you about the Mercury/Jupiter enmity and how it might

> > contrast with the Venus/Jupiter one. For a neutral planet, it seems that

> > Mercury has a lot of enemies.. Hmmm...

> > --

> >

> > Mercury has only one enemy, the Moon.

> >

> > Jupiter has two, Mercury and Venus.

> >

> > Mercury is said to harm Mars. Maybe because Mars is physical strength, and

> > Mercury is mental.

> >

> > It's intereting that these *ALL* go back to the trigons:

> >

> > Aries-Leo-Sag: Mars-Sun-Jupiter

> >

> > Taurus-Virgo-Capricorn: Venus-Mercury-Saturn

> >

> > Gemini-Libra-Aquarius: again Mercury-Venus-Saturn

> >

> > Cancer-Scorpio-Pisces: Moon-Mars-Jupiter

> >

> > A planet never has an enemy in its own trigon.

> > The Moon has no enemies.

> >

> > I'm quite sure the original Jyotish friends and enemies had their

> > foundation in the Hellenistic doctrine of trigons.

> >

> > Therese

> >

>

>

>

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P. 238

Satya gives virtually the same rule, only changing the emnity of a planet in the

eight place to friendship in order to equalize the odds; however instead of

using this rule to determine temporary friends, by specifying the lords of the

signs he utilizes it to establish natural friends, enemies and neutrals

 

P. 240

Satya's natural friendship is repeated by Minaraj, Varahamihira, Parasara,

Kalyanavarman, Gunakara, Vidyamadhava etc. (in other words became the standard).

 

, Therese Hamilton <eastwest

wrote:

>

> Hi...

>

> I'm a little confused as to which part of this past discussion (August 22,

> 2009) you're referring to. I know that Jyotish permanent friends and

> enemies seem to be firmly based on the ancient Mesopotamian and Greek

> trigons, as listed in the post below. The use of these trigons was not

> based on aspects, but on the four sets of three triplicities. The

> relationship of Greek to Jyotish friends and enemies has been discussed on

> the ACT Hellenistic forum. I never did work extensively with temporary

> friends and enemies, so cannot comment on those from experience.

>

> If you give the page number in Yavanajataka that you're referring to, I can

> get a better idea of your commentary.

>

> Thanks,

> Therese

>

> At 08:16 AM 11/4/2009 +0000, ccjohans wrote:

> >Pingree in his Yavanajataka gives a different explanation, " Satya " changed

> >the rule for temporary friendships so that 8th is also friendly and it

> >balances while at the same time making the temporary friendships to be the

> >permanent ones. I am suspicious of all this since Pingree does not mention

> >any western astrologer using these concepts. (The normal western procedure

> >would be to look at the standard aspects between the signs, so Saturn-Sun,

> >Venus-Mars, Jupiter-Mercury are enemies. Saturn-Mercury, Mars-Jupiter,

> >Mercury-Venus friends. In this scheme Mercury would also be the planet

> >with fewest enemies overall, and the Seleucids also considered it to be

> >neutral. Indian astrology also generally ignores such sign compatibility

> >considerations altogether.)

> >

> > , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > At 05:38 PM 8/22/09 -0700, Stephen Glaser wrote:

> > > >In Jyotish, Mercury and Jupiter are also enemies...

> > >

> > > Jupiter is a neutral for Mercury, but Mercury is said to be an enemy to

> > > Jupiter. I don't pay much attention to that one.

> > >

> > > >>Actually, Mercury, I understand also doesn't like the Moon and Mars

> > either.

> > >

> > > The Moon harms Mercury because it's the emotional mind, and Mercury is

said

> > > to represent clear thinking and objective perception. However, any writer

> > > of popular fiction or poetry will usually have a Moon-Mercury contact.

Mars

> > > is neutral to Mercury.

> > >

> > > >>I was going to ask you about the Mercury/Jupiter enmity and how it might

> > > contrast with the Venus/Jupiter one. For a neutral planet, it seems that

> > > Mercury has a lot of enemies.. Hmmm...

> > > --

> > >

> > > Mercury has only one enemy, the Moon.

> > >

> > > Jupiter has two, Mercury and Venus.

> > >

> > > Mercury is said to harm Mars. Maybe because Mars is physical strength, and

> > > Mercury is mental.

> > >

> > > It's intereting that these *ALL* go back to the trigons:

> > >

> > > Aries-Leo-Sag: Mars-Sun-Jupiter

> > >

> > > Taurus-Virgo-Capricorn: Venus-Mercury-Saturn

> > >

> > > Gemini-Libra-Aquarius: again Mercury-Venus-Saturn

> > >

> > > Cancer-Scorpio-Pisces: Moon-Mars-Jupiter

> > >

> > > A planet never has an enemy in its own trigon.

> > > The Moon has no enemies.

> > >

> > > I'm quite sure the original Jyotish friends and enemies had their

> > > foundation in the Hellenistic doctrine of trigons.

> > >

> > > Therese

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >---

> >

> > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

> >

> > Post message:

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> > Un: -

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