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All the new nakshatra books I've seen are STILL listing the old

out-of-place stars with today's 27 mansions. Makes me want to scream.

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The stars aren't out of place, the mansions are! Those determinant stars

were the basis of the mansions' " vibes " ! That's what I meant when I

complained about the mansions being set up with standardized pre-set

borders.

Whatever borders are chosen, they absolutely should contain the

determinants!

 

Or am I misunderstanding what you meant? What did you mean by

" old out-of-place stars " ?

 

Leaving Antares outside the borders of Jyestha is like crowning a queen and

then shoving her out into the cold! Antares is an absolutely beautiful,

magnificent,

powerful star, and to my way of thinking, where Antares is, Jyestha is,

whatever

boundaries you want to set around it.

 

The ancients didn't have the means to be very tight with

degrees-and-minutes; they

chose certain outstanding stars or star groups and pointed and said " that's

Krittika, that's

Rohini, etc. Those brilliant, distinctive stars were the deciding factor

for the

establishment of each nakshatra, not some theoretical measurement from one

point or

another. And whatever boundaries they used, those determinant stars were

within them,

no doubt about that! It's the primary stars that make nakshatras, not

nakshatras casually

including just any old stars.

 

It's like, Antares is the " soul " of Jyestha, and Aldebaran is the " soul " of

Rohini, etc.

 

Ya dig what I mean??

 

Love, Diana

 

 

Website: http://ye-stars.com <http://ye-stars.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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At 03:53 AM 3/23/2010 -0400, Diana wrote:

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>Or am I misunderstanding what you meant? What did you mean by

> " old out-of-place stars " ?

 

I meant that the original nakshatra stars are no longer in today's 27

mansions. However, I think it's more than possible that the newer 27-fold

division is a " real " lunar zodiac, which differs from the original

nakshatras. We're continuing to evolve (believe it or not!), and I see the

equal 27-fold division as a valid lunar " zodiac " on its own. Anyone who has

used the Jyotish dasas and the mansions in practice knows that these

divisions work. So now we have choices:

 

(1) Tropical zodiac

(2) Sidereal zodiac

(3) 27 Stellar Mansions

(4) Stellar and constellational influences including the original nakshatra

stars and asterisms in their correct locations.

 

Using the original nakshatra names for the 27 mansions is like the tropical

zodiac " borrowing " the constellational names. Both tend to confuse the

issue for the uninitiated.

 

Diana, your very entertaining expressive writing style is very

Jupiter-Neptune (sidereal Pisces) rather than cut-and-dried military Mars

(Aries). So is the massive amount of data and information you've packed

into your book. This is how sidereal Pisces would express. All inclusive

and expansive. The stellar sky is expansive, is it not? Neptune broke all

boundaries--flying over the waves conquering as he flew. (This is why air

flight is Neptunian rather than Uranian).

 

Therese

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I dig what you mean. My retrograde Saturn is conjunct Antares/Jyeshta by less

than one degree, in the first house, assuming I had the correct info on this

fixed star. I am now learning in the past day or two, from this elist that it is

open to question.

 

liberator_9

 

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars wrote:

 

 

Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars

Mansions/stars

 

Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 2:53 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therese sent

 

All the new nakshatra books I've seen are STILL listing the old

out-of-place stars with today's 27 mansions. Makes me want to scream.

--------

The stars aren't out of place, the mansions are! Those determinant stars

were the basis of the mansions' " vibes " ! That's what I meant when I

complained about the mansions being set up with standardized pre-set

borders.

Whatever borders are chosen, they absolutely should contain the

determinants!

 

Or am I misunderstanding what you meant? What did you mean by

" old out-of-place stars " ?

 

Leaving Antares outside the borders of Jyestha is like crowning a queen and

then shoving her out into the cold! Antares is an absolutely beautiful,

magnificent,

powerful star, and to my way of thinking, where Antares is, Jyestha is,

whatever

boundaries you want to set around it.

 

The ancients didn't have the means to be very tight with

degrees-and- minutes; they

chose certain outstanding stars or star groups and pointed and said " that's

Krittika, that's

Rohini, etc. Those brilliant, distinctive stars were the deciding factor

for the

establishment of each nakshatra, not some theoretical measurement from one

point or

another. And whatever boundaries they used, those determinant stars were

within them,

no doubt about that! It's the primary stars that make nakshatras, not

nakshatras casually

including just any old stars.

 

It's like, Antares is the " soul " of Jyestha, and Aldebaran is the " soul " of

Rohini, etc.

 

Ya dig what I mean??

 

Love, Diana

 

 

Website: http://ye-stars. com <http://ye-stars. com/>

 

 

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Maybe air flight can be both Uranian or Neptunian. It depends on what approach

to air travel these planets bring about. Uranus, to my mind, is like a sudden

change, like a rocket bursting into orbit (the mind with sudden revelations).

Neptune is an inward expansion of our horizons, that isn't jolting, like Uranus

can be. Neptune can be subtle, but so are the delusions He can bring when ill

placed or aspected.

 

liberator_9

 

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

 

 

Therese Hamilton <eastwest

Re: Mansions/Stars

 

Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:34 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

At 03:53 AM 3/23/2010 -0400, Diana wrote:

>

>Or am I misunderstanding what you meant? What did you mean by

> " old out-of-place stars " ?

 

I meant that the original nakshatra stars are no longer in today's 27

mansions. However, I think it's more than possible that the newer 27-fold

division is a " real " lunar zodiac, which differs from the original

nakshatras. We're continuing to evolve (believe it or not!), and I see the

equal 27-fold division as a valid lunar " zodiac " on its own. Anyone who has

used the Jyotish dasas and the mansions in practice knows that these

divisions work. So now we have choices:

 

(1) Tropical zodiac

(2) Sidereal zodiac

(3) 27 Stellar Mansions

(4) Stellar and constellational influences including the original nakshatra

stars and asterisms in their correct locations.

 

Using the original nakshatra names for the 27 mansions is like the tropical

zodiac " borrowing " the constellational names. Both tend to confuse the

issue for the uninitiated.

 

Diana, your very entertaining expressive writing style is very

Jupiter-Neptune (sidereal Pisces) rather than cut-and-dried military Mars

(Aries). So is the massive amount of data and information you've packed

into your book. This is how sidereal Pisces would express. All inclusive

and expansive. The stellar sky is expansive, is it not? Neptune broke all

boundaries-- flying over the waves conquering as he flew. (This is why air

flight is Neptunian rather than Uranian).

 

Therese

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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