Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Stephen sent My retrograde Saturn is conjunct Antares/Jyeshta by less than one degree, in the first house, assuming I had the correct info on this fixed star. I am now learning in the past day or two, from this elist that it is open to question. --------------------- Not sure what you mean - what is the degree of your Saturn? (specify which zodiac) Love, Diana Website: http://ye-stars.com <http://ye-stars.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 My understanding is the Nakshatra Jyeshta is the same thing as Antares. So, I typed it Antares/Jyeshta. In Jyotish, my Saturn, which is retrograde, is 16 deg. 39 min, in Scorpio, which is in the first house. I was going by the placements according to traditional Jyotish, not your more modern findings. According to your findings, the difference in longitude between them may be different. liberator_9 --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars wrote: Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars Saturn at Antares? Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 3:23 PM Â Stephen sent My retrograde Saturn is conjunct Antares/Jyeshta by less than one degree, in the first house, assuming I had the correct info on this fixed star. I am now learning in the past day or two, from this elist that it is open to question. ------------ --------- Not sure what you mean - what is the degree of your Saturn? (specify which zodiac) Love, Diana Website: http://ye-stars. com <http://ye-stars. com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 At 10:34 AM 3/24/2010 -0700, Stephen wrote: >My understanding is the Nakshatra Jyeshta is the same thing as Antares. >So, I typed it Antares/Jyeshta. In Jyotish, my Saturn, which is >retrograde, is 16 deg. 39 min, in Scorpio, which is in the first house. I >was going by the placements according to traditional Jyotish, not your >more modern findings. According to your findings, the difference in >longitude between them may be different. -- Stephen, Diana has been trying to point out that the ancient stars that marked the nakshatras don't fall in the 27 lunar mansions used today that have the same names. So with Lahiri Antares is located at 15 deg 54 min of Scorpio, but this is in today's lunar mansion of Anuradha. Today's Jyeshta begins at 16 deg 40 of Scorpio. Your Saturn is still conjunct Antares in Anuradha: LAHIRI: Anuradha begins: 3 Sco 20 Antares is at 15 Sco 54 Saturn: 16 Sco 39 - Jyeshta begins at 16 Sco 40 What matters as we read charts today is that both your Saturn and Antares are in the navamsa of Scorpio. Antares itself doesn't mark today's Jyeshta, but is sitting at the very edge of Anuradha. Today's 27 lunar mansions are not nakshatras. They're equal zodiacal divisions that mark the navamsas or " quarters " of each mansion. I expect it would be very fruitful to research which stars fall in which navamsa. I do have star charts now that show this. Antares in Scorpio is especially appropriate. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Sorry if I sound dense, but if Antares is not 16 deg and 40 mins any longer, but is 15 deg and 54 mins, shouldn't the nakshatra Jyeshta be similarily moved back to 15 deg and 54 min, and it would be similar with all the rest of the fixed stars and nakshatras. My understanding is that Jyeshta is the name of the fixed star Antares in the Sanskrit language, as well as the name of the nakshatra. I could be wrong, but I think that is the way it is perceived. So, if the star itself is in a different degree, shouldn't be the nakshatra likewise? liberator_9 --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: Therese Hamilton <eastwest Re: Saturn at Antares? Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:02 PM  At 10:34 AM 3/24/2010 -0700, Stephen wrote: >My understanding is the Nakshatra Jyeshta is the same thing as Antares. >So, I typed it Antares/Jyeshta. In Jyotish, my Saturn, which is >retrograde, is 16 deg. 39 min, in Scorpio, which is in the first house. I >was going by the placements according to traditional Jyotish, not your >more modern findings. According to your findings, the difference in >longitude between them may be different. ------------ --------- --------- ----- Stephen, Diana has been trying to point out that the ancient stars that marked the nakshatras don't fall in the 27 lunar mansions used today that have the same names. So with Lahiri Antares is located at 15 deg 54 min of Scorpio, but this is in today's lunar mansion of Anuradha. Today's Jyeshta begins at 16 deg 40 of Scorpio. Your Saturn is still conjunct Antares in Anuradha: LAHIRI: Anuradha begins: 3 Sco 20 Antares is at 15 Sco 54 Saturn: 16 Sco 39 ------------ --------- --------- ---- Jyeshta begins at 16 Sco 40 What matters as we read charts today is that both your Saturn and Antares are in the navamsa of Scorpio. Antares itself doesn't mark today's Jyeshta, but is sitting at the very edge of Anuradha. Today's 27 lunar mansions are not nakshatras. They're equal zodiacal divisions that mark the navamsas or " quarters " of each mansion. I expect it would be very fruitful to research which stars fall in which navamsa. I do have star charts now that show this. Antares in Scorpio is especially appropriate. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 At 02:37 PM 3/24/2010 -0700, Stephen wrote: >Sorry if I sound dense, but if Antares is not 16 deg and 40 mins any >longer, but is 15 deg and 54 mins, shouldn't the nakshatra Jyeshta be >similarily moved back to 15 deg and 54 min, and it would be similar with >all the rest of the fixed stars and nakshatras. >------------- Unfortunately the 27 equal lunar mansion system divided into navamsas (padas) has been in place for centuries. It would be better, yes, if today's lunar mansions had other names, but that isn't the way it is. So we have to use a separate fixed star list to see where the old nakshatra stars really are. There are other nakshatra stars that are now in the wrong mansions. It isn't only Antares. I have just scanned a table comparing the old nakshatra stars to today's mansions, but I'm having trouble getting it in shape for the internet. I'll keep trying. Therese >My understanding is that Jyeshta is the name of the fixed star Antares in >the Sanskrit language, as well as the name of the nakshatra. I could be >wrong, but I think that is the way it is perceived. So, if the star itself >is in a different degree, shouldn't be the nakshatra likewise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Maybe it is all of them that is in a different place than " once upon a time " . The whole point of a nakshatra, from my understanding, is that it is measured from where certain stars are located. If the stars are in a different place, so would be the nakshatras. If moving the entire star map of the nakshatras won't support the current 3 deg. and 20 min. per lunar mansion, then it probably wasn't astronomically accurate to begin with, yet the system still works. How, I couldn't say. If we could ask the Rishis, maybe we could find out. lol liberator_9 --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: Therese Hamilton <eastwest Re: Re: Saturn at Antares? Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 6:25 PM  At 02:37 PM 3/24/2010 -0700, Stephen wrote: >Sorry if I sound dense, but if Antares is not 16 deg and 40 mins any >longer, but is 15 deg and 54 mins, shouldn't the nakshatra Jyeshta be >similarily moved back to 15 deg and 54 min, and it would be similar with >all the rest of the fixed stars and nakshatras. >----------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Unfortunately the 27 equal lunar mansion system divided into navamsas (padas) has been in place for centuries. It would be better, yes, if today's lunar mansions had other names, but that isn't the way it is. So we have to use a separate fixed star list to see where the old nakshatra stars really are. There are other nakshatra stars that are now in the wrong mansions. It isn't only Antares. I have just scanned a table comparing the old nakshatra stars to today's mansions, but I'm having trouble getting it in shape for the internet. I'll keep trying. Therese >My understanding is that Jyeshta is the name of the fixed star Antares in >the Sanskrit language, as well as the name of the nakshatra. I could be >wrong, but I think that is the way it is perceived. So, if the star itself >is in a different degree, shouldn't be the nakshatra likewise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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