Saturn at Antares

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Stephen sent

 

My understanding is the Nakshatra Jyeshta is the same thing as Antares. So,

I typed it Antares/Jyeshta. In Jyotish, my Saturn, which is retrograde, is

16 deg. 39 min, in Scorpio, which is in the first house. I was going by the

placements according to traditional Jyotish, not your more modern findings.

According to your findings, the difference in longitude between them may be

different.

 

liberator_9

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Hi Stephen,

 

Yes, you have Saturn at Antares - no doubt about it!

 

Not sure what you mean by " my more modern findings " - are you referring to

my use of tropical degrees?

 

A star - any star - is where it is, whatever degree-label you put on it.

According to Jyotish (Lahiri ayanamsha),

Antares is 16 Scorpio 55, so 16 Scorp 39 is definitely conjunct the star.

 

In tropical degrees, Antares is 10 Sag 46 now. Remember, this is a label,

not a change in the star's position!

 

This is from my book (Rastaban, the eye of Draco, the Dragon, is also in

this area):

 

Royal-and-war star Antares, the fiery red heart of the sky-Scorpion, stands

in for the anguished, oft-broken heart of humankind, alternately hopeful and

despairing, noble and base, courageous and cowardly, hoping against hope

that there will be a return to the One. Called the Watcher (Guardian) of the

West, it is exactly opposite Aldebaran, Alpha Tauri, Watcher of the East;

they are two of the four great " royal stars " of ancient Persia. Antares was

the Sumero-Akkadian Dar-lugal, " The Great-One, The King; " reputed to confer

courage, intelligence, high position, honors and riches, but, as with the

other royal stars, the danger of a fall from high position. And here there

be dragons! The Scorpion's heart combines its energies with stars of Draco

the Dragon's head with its all-seeing eye, and since Alpha Scorpii was, in

ancient China, the heart of Ts'ang-Loung, their huge prehistoric sky-dragon,

there is certainly something of a mythically beastly energy here! These

remarkable stars offer guts, intellect, and the possibility of great power,

authority and prosperity, but also a tendency to belligerence, violence,

suspicion, self-destructiveness and possible loss of position and property.

The unearthly power of dragons assures that these will be ferociously

ambitious, imperious, glory-seeking people; quick-witted, imaginative, rash

and headstrong, they need social and intellectual stimulation, seek

excitement, and expect to be at the center of any activity (and in charge!),

sometimes riding roughshod over those around them. As they approach life

with a greater-than-average intensity, stress is their natural habitat - if

they do not encounter it, they will seek it out (or create it!) According to

the ancient Liber Hermetis " [these degrees] make men powerful magnates,

traveling in many regions and subjecting barbarous peoples. " Tough,

energetic, impulsive, obstinate, dominant, their lives may be marred by

quarrels with colleagues, friends and relatives, who do not understand them;

domestic life may be unhappy, and there may be more than one marriage. A

saving grace is a very good sense of humor, with wry, whimsical observations

of human foibles, a talent for comedy, considerable eloquence and a love of

language and its uses (they delight in it, play with it, showing off their

skill with words) but along with it a propensity for exaggeration. The best

of them are hard-working, broadminded, gracious, generous and philanthropic,

but the dark Serpent also dwells here, with its potential for greed and

selfish, destructive, self-justifying malevolence, and Hercules adds a

daredevil quality. There is great strategic ability, and they pride

themselves on their detached, analytical, critical eye; if the chart so

warrants, there may be prominence through war; otherwise war can bring loss,

disgrace or death. Shamanic Ophiuchus-Aesculapius continues his medical

influence; Antares brings in a focus on the heart and its ailments, and

Rastaban, the dragon's eye, eye problems. The Dragon's eye also confers

vivid, dramatic conceptual and visualization powers (many anatomists have

positions here - recall that " dragon " derives from Greek derkein, " seeing " )

with a sense of drama and " flair, " an ability to see the big picture (see

the number of filmmakers and playwrights below!) The military, politics,

medicine, business, economics, sociology, academia, fashion and textiles,

the study of ancient languages, sports, music, art, dance, and the occult

(especially astrology) are some of the preferred professions which they

pursue with persistence and determination; a few may become

" representatives " of their nation and/or culture. Overconfidence and

arrogance can get them into trouble: prone to fixed, obsessive ideas, they

do not do well in positions of unlimited power, for they may go overboard

and come to believe themselves infallible. In their anxiety to be noticed,

admired and promoted, they may become hypocritical (especially in religious

matters) and/or make wrongful accusations. In their lives they will deal

with issues of race, class, slavery, and human rights. Other issues include

coldness and selfishness vs compassion and humanitarianism; jealousy vs

generosity of spirit, tolerance or intolerance and prejudice vs

openmindedness. Here the polar Dragon's all-seeing eye perceives the deep

truths of the Scorpion's heart; both are in the service of great Ophiuchus,

shaman-healer of the zodiac. Heart attacks, heart ailments and/or surgery

(in the West, Antares is the heart of the Scorpion, in China, it is the

heart of the Dragon), eye problems, blindness, head injuries or ailments,

danger of accidents (especially from machinery), burns, wounds, danger to

the lungs, poisoning (including environmental poisons), addictions,

including sexual addiction, stress, depression, suicide, danger of murder or

assassination; Watters wrote that when Antares is directed to an angle,

there is severe stress; I have found this to be true. Keynote events in

human history: the founding of cities, nations, empires, issues of national

sovereignty, wars and great battles, nuclear events and disasters; " famous

firsts; " fires (in ancient China, Antares was called the Great Fire);

earthquakes, storms (extreme barometric lows), air and shipwrecks, fog,

smog, pollution, epidemics (including smallpox), mass deaths; racial and

human rights events; extremism, terrorism, murder, execution,

assassinations, attacks. Prominent or angular at an eclipse or ingress, a

warning of crises, dangers and fatalities.

 

 

 

Love, Diana

 

Website: http://ye-stars.com <http://ye-stars.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information on the West, although originally Middle-East's

interpretation of this star. I remember reading much of it some place before,

but now I can save it, and read it at my leisure.

 

 

 

liberator_9

 

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars wrote:

 

 

Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars

Saturn at Antares

 

Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 5:34 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen sent

 

My understanding is the Nakshatra Jyeshta is the same thing as Antares. So,

I typed it Antares/Jyeshta. In Jyotish, my Saturn, which is retrograde, is

16 deg. 39 min, in Scorpio, which is in the first house. I was going by the

placements according to traditional Jyotish, not your more modern findings.

According to your findings, the difference in longitude between them may be

different.

 

>Not sure what you mean by " my more modern findings " - are you referring to

my use of tropical degrees?

 

No, Theresa was saying that Antares is at 15 deg. and 54 min of Scorpio in

Jyotish, I think Lahiri's ayanamsha. I thought she got the information from you.

If that is not correct, I apologize for the confusion.

 

 

liberator_9