Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. Best regards, Kalev Pehme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Kalev Pehme ji, Vryadhipathi means 12th house lord.in astrosecret author mention that when any planet is retro then he give result of Vryadhipathi. for example Asc lord is rerto so he give result of vryadhipathi means 12th cusp. hope this help. regards Kanak Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. Best regards, Kalev Pehme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I believe Vrya means expenditure. It is a sanskrit word, I think . So lord of expenditure and waste Seshadri Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. Best regards, Kalev Pehme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Many thanks. I am adding to my vocabulary! Best regards, Kalev Pehme On 5/30/06, Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: > > I believe Vrya means expenditure. It is a sanskrit word, I think . So lord > of expenditure and waste > Seshadri > > Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I > found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I > can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Kalev Pehme > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear friend, vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. not retro or extra.. in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. i against with that rule. if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? we want to think... if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. Swami Omkar India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear tw ji, i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. followinng is model chart for this Male 8-mar-1976 23:56 IST Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. again i am telling that Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. Swami Omkar tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear TW Ji, We have had very constructive discussions on various topics in the recent past. Of course, controversial things do come for discussion. It is only through debates and healthy discussions our knowledge might flourish. Swami Omkar Ji was trying to explain the scientific reasoning behind the retrograded planets and has asked us to think. I personally don't feel anything wrong in thinking before we accept a concept. Had Prof. KSK not reasoned out things, we would never have had a KP system with us. Prof. KSK he had a strong conviction that his system alone works that confidence came after years and years of research. Why not the same would have been the case behind Swami Omkar Ji. Swami Omkar wanted us to think astronomically to base our predictions, that is also not wrong either. Prof KSK placed high weightage on the science of astronomy. It is the astronomical knowledge that our Prof. KSK had made his system very accurate. So, Swami Omkar Ji has reasoned the concept of retrogration scientifically and has extended it to our group through the email. When there is a reasoning behind Swami Omkar's views, there is absolutely no harm accepting it. I expressed my sincere views, His divine grace, Balu Karthikeyan tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear swamiji, I agree with you that in natal chart retroplanet not give result of Viyadhipati.I have check some chart but result was not good. But i am not agree with you that books are not helpfull or referance of page no etc not usfull. regards kanak swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Dear tw ji, i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. followinng is model chart for this Male 8-mar-1976 23:56 IST Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. again i am telling that Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. Swami Omkar tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar Ji, > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. 1. THIS IS THE SAME OF GURUJI KSK. > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > 2. BECAUSE SAT BHUKTI SIGNIFIES THE " FOLLOWING " HOUSES 4-5-6-9 AS PER Sri M.P. Shanmugam, NOT THE " PREVIOUS " HOUSES 2-3-4-7 AS MISUDERSTOOD BY YOU & KANAK (MSG#84220); AND DASA JUPITER SIGNIFIES 6-5-2-5(STL KETHU:3-6-7-12); AS PER KP YOUR CONSULTANT WAS LEFT BY THE SPOUSE AS A RESULT OF HOUSE 6 STRONG SIGNIFICATION. > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. 3. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF HOROSCOPE IS NEEDED BECAUSE BUREDN OF PROOF IS ON YOU FOR YOUR SAYING THAT Sri M.P. Shanmugam'S RULE IS CHILDISH. 4. I AM HERE TO LEARN KP BUT NOT INTERESTED IN GROUNDLESS SAYINGS AND OF COURSE I DO NOT AGREE WITH Sri M.P. Shanmugam'S RULE WHICH IS NOT IN LINE WITH GURUJI KSK BUT I CAN NOT SAY WHETHER IT IS WORKING OR NOT BEFORE I COULD HAVE DONE A STUDY OF A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF HOROSCOPE BECAUSE RULES ARE SET AFTER A TEST OF A LOT OF PRACTICAL HOROSCOPES NOT ONE OR TWO A FEW. ONLY THAT WAY OF STUDY IS SCIENTIFIC APROACH. REGARDS, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19- 10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Balu Karthikeyan ji, We can discuss any topic in the framework of KP on the basis of a scientific study of practical charts in testing the validity of rules. Regards, tw , Balasubramaniam Karthikeyan <kbalavic wrote: > > Dear TW Ji, > > We have had very constructive discussions on various topics in the recent past. Of course, controversial things do come for discussion. It is only through debates and healthy discussions our knowledge might flourish. > > Swami Omkar Ji was trying to explain the scientific reasoning behind the retrograded planets and has asked us to think. I personally don't feel anything wrong in thinking before we accept a concept. Had Prof. KSK not reasoned out things, we would never have had a KP system with us. Prof. KSK he had a strong conviction that his system alone works that confidence came after years and years of research. Why not the same would have been the case behind Swami Omkar Ji. > > Swami Omkar wanted us to think astronomically to base our predictions, that is also not wrong either. Prof KSK placed high weightage on the science of astronomy. It is the astronomical knowledge that our Prof. KSK had made his system very accurate. So, Swami Omkar Ji has reasoned the concept of retrogration scientifically and has extended it to our group through the email. When there is a reasoning behind Swami Omkar's views, there is absolutely no harm accepting it. > > I expressed my sincere views, His divine grace, > Balu Karthikeyan tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 I think the correct word is Vyayadhipati. Vyaya (loss, expense) sthana in a horoscope is 12th house and pati means lord or husband. Hence, the lord of the 12th is Vyayadhipati. Hasmukhrai J Mehta. Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. Best regards, Kalev Pehme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Dear Hasmukhbhai, In the Tamil language some consonants and vowels,simply just do not exist...hence when words from other languages are used by people having had their primary education in Tamil,are forced to substitue them with the nearest-sounding Tamil vowels...my Tamilian astrologer friend had told me many years ago...when I had encountered this type of usage by Tamilian authors... Something similar to most Gujaratis pronouncing hall as " hole " ...etc...I know some who even write it as such...! That, has been my understanding so far... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote: I think the correct word is Vyayadhipati. Vyaya (loss, expense) sthana in a horoscope is 12th house and pati means lord or husband. Hence, the lord of the 12th is Vyayadhipati. Hasmukhrai J Mehta. Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. Best regards, Kalev Pehme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Dear Hasmukhrai J Mehta, I think you are right because Effects of " Vyaya " Bhava (12th house) is mentioned in Maharshi Parasara's Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra Ch. 23 and " Vyaya " is used as 12th to any house in KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) page 192 with an example. " Vraya " in KP Reader III Old Edt page 108/ New Edt page 113, " Vrava " in KP Reader V (1983 Edt) page 108 are used as 12th to any house with examples. In Astrosecrets & KP (2003 Edt), page 28, 29, 91 etc " Vryadhipathi " is used as 12th to any house with examples. It is the same as " Detrimental " to any house used by Bhatt. Regards, tw , Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote: > > I think the correct word is Vyayadhipati. Vyaya (loss, expense) sthana in a horoscope is 12th house and pati means lord or husband. Hence, the lord of the 12th is Vyayadhipati. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I > found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I > can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Kalev Pehme > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Dear Hasmukhbhai and Tin win ji, yes both are same. bcoz in india all state have defferant laungage so word is same but thay write some differnace speling.but meaning is same. for example Name of india is Bharat but in south spel;ing of bharat write as Bharath. but both are same. regards kanak tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai J Mehta, I think you are right because Effects of " Vyaya " Bhava (12th house) is mentioned in Maharshi Parasara's Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra Ch. 23 and " Vyaya " is used as 12th to any house in KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) page 192 with an example. " Vraya " in KP Reader III Old Edt page 108/ New Edt page 113, " Vrava " in KP Reader V (1983 Edt) page 108 are used as 12th to any house with examples. In Astrosecrets & KP (2003 Edt), page 28, 29, 91 etc " Vryadhipathi " is used as 12th to any house with examples. It is the same as " Detrimental " to any house used by Bhatt. Regards, tw , Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote: > > I think the correct word is Vyayadhipati. Vyaya (loss, expense) sthana in a horoscope is 12th house and pati means lord or husband. Hence, the lord of the 12th is Vyayadhipati. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > Kalev Pehme <icastes wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to tell me what " vryadhipathi " means. I > found in relation to retrograding planets ( " Astrosecrets " p. 91) and I > can't find anything on the web that explains the word. Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Kalev Pehme > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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