Vryadhipathi?Retro rule

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KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling

is only for Horary Charts, and transits.

 

That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a

theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this.

 

 

 

swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote:

Dear tw ji,

 

i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not

needed now.

 

my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary.

 

what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that

applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it

should not useful in life.

 

problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work.

followinng is model chart for this

 

Male

8-mar-1976

23:56 IST

Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E)

 

In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro.

saturn signify 3,4,5,8

 

becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7

becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10-2005 to

1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is

retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him.

 

why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done?

 

so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all.

again i am telling that

Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house

result? then who wil give that deposited house result?

 

eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want

check and apply.

 

Swami Omkar

 

 

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Swami Omkar,

 

1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in

his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page

28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses,

eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is

a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star

of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for

houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the

time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and

offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the

results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous

houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are

ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As

mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam

mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below

regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying

that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the

source of your KP knowledge.

 

2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart

there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or

retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde

if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in

its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success.

 

3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by

saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " ,

invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof.

Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50

(Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the

principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of

a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the

retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship,

or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule).

 

4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting

research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very

controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the

common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish

without any support of research proof, which is itself childish.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

, swami omkar <swamiomkar

wrote:

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> Dear friend,

>

> vradhipathi means only 12th house lord.

>

> not retro or extra..

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> in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the

privouse house matters.

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> i against with that rule.

>

> if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10

that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule.

>

> planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro...

>

> when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that

planet when direct it would give next house matter?

>

> we want to think...

>

> if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not

accept this rule.

>

> in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro

planet gives perivious house result.

>

> when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give

any thing)

> so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets.

>

> for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu

gives jupiters' work.

>

> so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself

and use.

>

> Swami Omkar

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