Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear List, Here is the birth time of a boy with Retro Mercury. Name Insomniac (pseudo) Place : Bangalore Date : 11-08-1978 Friday Time : 03-45-00 Longitude : 77-38-00 East Latitude : 12-58-00 North Zone : IST 5.5 Here Merc is in retro in 3rd. Those of you who want to check out the validity of the retro in a native are welcome to give their readings, anything related to Mercury. I should be able to tell you if your reading is right or wrong, for I know this person. Regards, K.Seshadri Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Dear tw ji, i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. followinng is model chart for this Male 8-mar-1976 23:56 IST Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. again i am telling that Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. Swami Omkar tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Dear Sesh Krish The chart cast as per KP principles, shows Mercury in 2nd House, and owns 1st and 4th house. So during Merc periods, matters connected with these houses will be activated. Merc is s/l of 2,4,10th. So he may have been adopted (2 mothers,2 families) He will not stick to one job/business. hope this helps Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: Dear List, Here is the birth time of a boy with Retro Mercury. Name Insomniac (pseudo) Place : Bangalore Date : 11-08-1978 Friday Time : 03-45-00 Longitude : 77-38-00 East Latitude : 12-58-00 North Zone : IST 5.5 Here Merc is in retro in 3rd. Those of you who want to check out the validity of the retro in a native are welcome to give their readings, anything related to Mercury. I should be able to tell you if your reading is right or wrong, for I know this person. Regards, K.Seshadri Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Dear tw ji, i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. followinng is model chart for this Male 8-mar-1976 23:56 IST Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. again i am telling that Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. Swami Omkar tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar, 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the source of your KP knowledge. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear friend, > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > not retro or extra.. > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the privouse house matters. > > i against with that rule. > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > we want to think... > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not accept this rule. > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro planet gives perivious house result. > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give any thing) > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu gives jupiters' work. > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself and use. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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