Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of retro. planets, I request reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating to obtention of visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. planets only tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct planet.At times we do come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be either retro or in subs of retro planets making further process difficult.Your comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10- 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Shri Raichur, 1. I absolutely agree with you regarding KP original rule on Retro planet. What I am saying is how Sri M.P. Shanmugam's rule can be said to be CHILDISH whithout any suport of pactical research and proper understanding of his rule which says a Retro planet will give the results of the the following houses to its owership not 12th to its ownership during its dasa or bhukti or anthra. 2. Sri M.P. Shanmugam is not a " ciemniak " (in Polish, in English blockhead) but a briliant KP scholar and there might be something interesting to see in a practical research if he said such thing against KSK's rulings which he mastered very well by saying " KP for me was a Voice from Haven " . Thanks and regards, tw P.S. Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19- 10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Tinwin Let us check up this rule. A member has given an example of Retro Merc at birth. Let us apply Shree Shanmugham,s rule ,and find out what can be predicted about the Retro planets dasa, and bhukti good luck tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur, 1. I absolutely agree with you regarding KP original rule on Retro planet. What I am saying is how Sri M.P. Shanmugam's rule can be said to be CHILDISH whithout any suport of pactical research and proper understanding of his rule which says a Retro planet will give the results of the the following houses to its owership not 12th to its ownership during its dasa or bhukti or anthra. 2. Sri M.P. Shanmugam is not a " ciemniak " (in Polish, in English blockhead) but a briliant KP scholar and there might be something interesting to see in a practical research if he said such thing against KSK's rulings which he mastered very well by saying " KP for me was a Voice from Haven " . Thanks and regards, tw P.S. Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19- 10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Shri Raichur, Thank you for your interest in practically checking the rule. In the example provided by K.Seshadri, an event & timing in the relevant DBA like given by Swami Omkar is requied to check the rule. Let us wait for examples from Swami Omkar who says " i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work " and his first given example is a plus for Sri M.P. Shanmugam's rule. Thanks and regards, tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Tinwin > Let us check up this rule. A member has given an example of Retro Merc at birth. Let us apply Shree Shanmugham,s rule ,and find out what can be predicted about the Retro planets dasa, and bhukti > good luck > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur, > > 1. I absolutely agree with you regarding KP original rule on Retro > planet. What I am saying is how Sri M.P. Shanmugam's rule can be > said to be CHILDISH whithout any suport of pactical research and > proper understanding of his rule which says a Retro planet will give > the results of the the following houses to its owership not 12th to > its ownership during its dasa or bhukti or anthra. > > 2. Sri M.P. Shanmugam is not a " ciemniak " (in Polish, in English > blockhead) but a briliant KP scholar and there might be something > interesting to see in a practical research if he said such thing > against KSK's rulings which he mastered very well by saying " KP for > me was a Voice from Haven " . > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > P.S. > > Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all > the time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > > houses " > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not > support this. > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > Dear tw ji, > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page > number that's not needed now. > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can > use in horary. > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided > it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not > work. > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > Male > > 8-mar-1976 > > 23:56 IST > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat > is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19- > 10-2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 > to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life > partner is seprated from him. > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this > sepration done? > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > > again i am telling that > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give > next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule > we only want check and apply. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all > the > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting > the > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or > in > > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub > of > > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even > though " the > > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is > childish > > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > > privouse house matters. > > > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > > > we want to think... > > > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > > accept this rule. > > > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > > any thing) > > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > > gives jupiters' work. > > > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > > and use. > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Hansraj ji, Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: 45-51 by Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. hope it help regards Kanak hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of retro. planets, I request reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating to obtention of visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. planets only tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct planet.At times we do come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be either retro or in subs of retro planets making further process difficult.Your comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10- 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 DEAR VYAS one experienced astrologer has said, that if all the rps are retro, then ignore it for getting the result, but not for timimg of event hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of retro. planets, I request reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating to obtention of visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. planets only tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct planet.At times we do come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be either retro or in subs of retro planets making further process difficult.Your comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal Charts are concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and transits. > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the house 12th to it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic group. Kp does not support this. > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > Dear tw ji, > > i think u having all KP books , u can give reference with page number that's not needed now. > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal horo. we can use in horary. > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books that's diffrent. if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our knowledge decided it;s fales then it should not useful in life. > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the that retro wil not work. > followinng is model chart for this > > Male > 8-mar-1976 > 23:56 IST > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in birth time sat is retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be work as 2,3,4,7 > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is bukthi lord ( 19-10- 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on retro. from 2005 to 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this bukthi from life partner is seprated from him. > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro rule. why this sepration done? > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this chart in all. > again i am telling that > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then direct planet give next house result? then who wil give that deposited house result? > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil give only rule we only want check and apply. > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar, > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam mentions in > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part 1 " , page > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the following houses, > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of houses 2 and 3 is > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for being in the star > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a " Vryadhipathi " for > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or anthara " (not all the > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is totally changed and > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 and 12, i.e. the > results of the " following houses " but not the results of " previous > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, Rahu and Ketu are > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change for Rahu-Kethu. As > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's views below > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary to your saying > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP making interesting the > source of your KP knowledge. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and interesting > research if a number of practical horoscopes related to this " very > controversial " retrogade would be studied to actually find the > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. Shanmugam's view is childish > without any support of research proof, which is itself childish. > > Regards, > > tw > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro planets work the > privouse house matters. > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro it gives 2,7,10 > that only the astro secrates says...this is childish rule. > > > > planet having two motions. one is direct another one is retro... > > > > when a planet is retro it gives perivious house matter then that > planet when direct it would give next house matter? > > > > we want to think... > > > > if a preson know astronomicaly what is retro then they wil not > accept this rule. > > > > in practical case also we can tel it wil not work which retro > planet gives perivious house result. > > > > when ever a planet rero then it becom nothing.(no power to give > any thing) > > so we can watch nodes it give the result of retro planets. > > > > for example jupiiter is retro now. if we check rahu then rahu > gives jupiters' work. > > > > so what ever rulse are published first we want to think ourself > and use. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Resp.Raichurji, Thanks for the reply. Regards, Hansraj. --- Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > DEAR VYAS > one experienced astrologer has said, that if all > the rps are retro, then ignore it for getting the > result, but not for timimg of event > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of > retro. planets, I request > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating > to obtention of > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. > planets only > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > planet.At times we do > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be > either retro or > in subs of retro planets making further process > difficult.Your > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > , > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > Charts are > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and > transits. > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the > house 12th to > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > group. Kp does not > support this. > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear tw ji, > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > reference with page > number that's not needed now. > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal > horo. we can use > in horary. > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books > that's diffrent. > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > knowledge decided it;s > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > that retro wil not > work. > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > Male > > 8-mar-1976 > > 23:56 IST > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in > birth time sat is > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be > work as 2,3,4,7 > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > retro. from 2005 to > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > bukthi from life > partner is seprated from him. > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro > rule. why this > sepration done? > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this > chart in all. > > again i am telling that > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then > direct planet give > next house result? then who wil give that deposited > house result? > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil > give only rule we > only want check and apply. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mentions in > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part > 1 " , page > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the > following houses, > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > houses 2 and 3 is > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for > being in the star > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > " Vryadhipathi " for > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > anthara " (not all > the > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > totally changed and > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 > and 12, i.e. the > > results of the " following houses " but not the > results of " previous > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > Rahu and Ketu are > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > M.P. Shanmugam > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's > views below > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary > to your saying > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > making interesting > the > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in > a Natal chart > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > direct motion or > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > planets in retrograde > > if deposited in the constllation of another > retrograde planet or in > > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. > Never success. > > > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > 2006 " page 51, by > > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not > Horary also? " , > > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. > However, Prof. > > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > 2006 " page 50 > > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub > lord of the > > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in > the star or sub of > > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result > even though " the > > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way > of star lordship, > > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the > cancellation rule). > > > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and > interesting > > research if a number of practical horoscopes > related to this " very > > controversial " retrogade would be studied to > actually find the > > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. > Shanmugam's view is > childish > > without any support of research proof, which is > itself childish. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , swami omkar > <swamiomkar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro > planets work the > > privouse house matters. > > > > > > i against with that rule. > > > > > > if jupiter siginfy 3,8,11 then when it's retro > it === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does not accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in KP & astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > Dear Hansraj ji, > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: 45-51 by > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > hope it help > > regards > Kanak > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of > retro. planets, I request > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating > to obtention of > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. > planets only > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > planet.At times we do > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be > either retro or > in subs of retro planets making further process > difficult.Your > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > , > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > Charts are > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and > transits. > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the > house 12th to > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > group. Kp does not > support this. > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear tw ji, > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > reference with page > number that's not needed now. > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal > horo. we can use > in horary. > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books > that's diffrent. > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > knowledge decided it;s > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > that retro wil not > work. > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > Male > > 8-mar-1976 > > 23:56 IST > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in > birth time sat is > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be > work as 2,3,4,7 > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > retro. from 2005 to > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > bukthi from life > partner is seprated from him. > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro > rule. why this > sepration done? > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this > chart in all. > > again i am telling that > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then > direct planet give > next house result? then who wil give that deposited > house result? > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil > give only rule we > only want check and apply. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > mentions in > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part > 1 " , page > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the > following houses, > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > houses 2 and 3 is > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for > being in the star > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > " Vryadhipathi " for > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > anthara " (not all > the > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > totally changed and > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 > and 12, i.e. the > > results of the " following houses " but not the > results of " previous > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > Rahu and Ketu are > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > M.P. Shanmugam > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's > views below > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary > to your saying > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > making interesting > the > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in > a Natal chart > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > direct motion or > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > planets in retrograde > > if deposited in the constllation of another > retrograde planet or in > > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. > Never success. > > > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > 2006 " page 51, by > > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not > Horary also? " , > > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. > However, Prof. > > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > 2006 " page 50 > > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub > lord of the > > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in > the star or sub of > > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result > even though " the > > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way > of star lordship, > > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the > cancellation rule). > > > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and > interesting > > research if a number of practical horoscopes > related to this " very > > controversial " retrogade would be studied to > actually find the > > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. > Shanmugam's view is > childish > > without any support of research proof, which is > itself childish. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , swami omkar > <swamiomkar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro > planets work the > > privouse house matters. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Swami ji and Tin Win ji, My comment in bold: swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Questions to our Members : Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd one died becoz of ill health. my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end of each wife? any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? Kanak: This questions are in my mind and this is the reson to start research wrok on this subject.i am sure we find out answer of this questions. regards Kanak Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear Twji, > > I am not blaming any KP aouther. i am telling that astrology based on scinence so we want to think and use the rules. > > and for my example chart u r explaination not that much clear. > becoz sat only showing 2 but when it retro it can show 1. so spration done? this i can;t agree. pls give details explaination. you are mentioning the author and page number...but still not given explaination for my query that retro motion give perivious house result then direct motion give next house result? > > my humble opinion is... > don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we can't prove. > > for Kanak's research i have a chart. > 25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam > > This native had 3 marrages. becoz 7th cusp SL falls in scorpio and connected with virgo and mercry. > > > Questions to our Members : > Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question > i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above > (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart > > 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) > > 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd one died becoz of ill health. > my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end of each wife? > any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? > > any KP reader or other KP books given atricle for multiple marrage...twji can tel us.... > > member can give light on this topic... > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, Before you say the rule is childish you better thouroughly read the rule first to understand properly that it mentions the " following " houses not " previous " houses to the lordship of planet. Otherwise it is waste of time and blind saying. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear Twji, > > I am not blaming any KP aouther. i am telling that astrology based on scinence so we want to think and use the rules. > > and for my example chart u r explaination not that much clear. > becoz sat only showing 2 but when it retro it can show 1. so spration done? this i can;t agree. pls give details explaination. you are mentioning the author and page number...but still not given explaination for my query that retro motion give perivious house result then direct motion give next house result? > > my humble opinion is... > don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we can't prove. > > for Kanak's research i have a chart. > 25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam > > This native had 3 marrages. becoz 7th cusp SL falls in scorpio and connected with virgo and mercry. > > > Questions to our Members : > Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question > i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above > (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart > > 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) > > 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd one died becoz of ill health. > my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end of each wife? > any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? > > any KP reader or other KP books given atricle for multiple marrage...twji can tel us.... > > member can give light on this topic... > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, Please don't say any rule is childish or not working if you can't prove it. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear Twji, > > I am not blaming any KP aouther. i am telling that astrology based on scinence so we want to think and use the rules. > > and for my example chart u r explaination not that much clear. > becoz sat only showing 2 but when it retro it can show 1. so spration done? this i can;t agree. pls give details explaination. you are mentioning the author and page number...but still not given explaination for my query that retro motion give perivious house result then direct motion give next house result? > > my humble opinion is... > don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we can't prove. > > for Kanak's research i have a chart. > 25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam > > This native had 3 marrages. becoz 7th cusp SL falls in scorpio and connected with virgo and mercry. > > > Questions to our Members : > Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question > i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above > (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart > > 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) > > 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd one died becoz of ill health. > my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end of each wife? > any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? > > any KP reader or other KP books given atricle for multiple marrage...twji can tel us.... > > member can give light on this topic... > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 It is relishing to see words such as: 'don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we can't prove.' Most astrologers try to justify the rule... It is good to see somebody who is not willing to accept any rule unless it is proved... This is for the good of Astrology... Regards, Maruthi , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > Please don't say any rule is childish or not working if you can't > prove it. > > Regards, > > tw > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Twji, > > > > I am not blaming any KP aouther. i am telling that astrology > based on scinence so we want to think and use the rules. > > > > and for my example chart u r explaination not that much clear. > > becoz sat only showing 2 but when it retro it can show 1. so > spration done? this i can;t agree. pls give details explaination. > you are mentioning the author and page number...but still not given > explaination for my query that retro motion give perivious house > result then direct motion give next house result? > > > > my humble opinion is... > > don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we > can't prove. > > > > for Kanak's research i have a chart. > > 25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam > > > > This native had 3 marrages. becoz 7th cusp SL falls in scorpio > and connected with virgo and mercry. > > > > > > Questions to our Members : > > Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question > > i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above > > (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart > > > > 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get > marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) > > > > 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd > one died becoz of ill health. > > my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end > of each wife? > > any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? > > > > any KP reader or other KP books given atricle for multiple > marrage...twji can tel us.... > > > > member can give light on this topic... > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: > http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Twji, i wil not tel childish...but if a rule not make a sense then why should we use? if i give data based on retro plant...u can prove what should be the even happend in the natives life? swami omkar Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) 1. References 1.1. KP Reader IV, 1973, p 182 1.2. KP Reader VI, 1978, page 165 1.3. Sanjay Ruth: Vimsottari & Udu Dasas, 2005 Version, page 139 1.4. Carol Rushman: The Art of Predictive Astrology, 2002, page 35- 42 (under Determining the Number of Potential Marriages) 1.5. James Braha: The Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrlogy, 2001, page 293 2) ------ any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? 2. First Version 2.1. Houses 7, 2, 9, --- " 8th house from the most recent spouse " 2.2. Rationale: The 8th from any house signifies the " death " of matters in the original house. 2.3. References 2.3.1. Kalidasa: Utara Kalamrita, translated by Dr. D.S. Sastri, 2001, p 107 2.3.2. KP Reader II, 1983, p 189 2.3.3. KP Reader IV, 1973, p 83, 181 & 184 2.3.4.Udaychandra Vaidya: Marriage Plurity, KP & Astrology Year Book, 2002, p 60 2.3.5. Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, 1998, p 291 2.3.6. Sanjay Ruth: Vimsottari & Udu Dasas, 2005 Version, page 138- 44 (Analysis of Elizabeth Taylor's eighth marriages) 2.3.7. P.V.R. Narasimha Rao: Lessons in Vedic Astrology, 2005, p 128 2.3.8. Barbara Pijan Lama http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/bAstrHom.htm 2.3.9. O.S, Agarwal: Practical Vedic Astrology, 2002, p 89 3. Second Version 3.1. Houses 7, 9, 11, ---- " 3rd house from the most recent spouse " 3.2. Rationale by Kanak: Younger Sister 3.3. References 3.3.1. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm 3.3.2. Robert Wilkinson http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2005/07/11/marriageChartsHowIm portantAreThey.html 3.3.3. K. Baskaran: Principles of Cuspal Interlinks, 2000, p 149 3.3.4. M www.astrodatabank.com/NM/Feedback.asp?ChartID=39832 Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Dear Twji, > > I am not blaming any KP aouther. i am telling that astrology based on scinence so we want to think and use the rules. > > and for my example chart u r explaination not that much clear. > becoz sat only showing 2 but when it retro it can show 1. so spration done? this i can;t agree. pls give details explaination. you are mentioning the author and page number...but still not given explaination for my query that retro motion give perivious house result then direct motion give next house result? > > my humble opinion is... > don't justify the rule. we can justify any rule in astro. but we can't prove. > > for Kanak's research i have a chart. > 25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam > > This native had 3 marrages. becoz 7th cusp SL falls in scorpio and connected with virgo and mercry. > > > Questions to our Members : > Based on Multiple marrage i have lot of Question > i asking all Q based on natal chart which i metion above > (25-10-1956 / 21:00/ Mettupalayam) chart > > 1) the above native got 3 marrage. how can tell he wil get marrage only 3. (why not 2 marrage or 4 marrages?) > > 2) First wife died becoz of Suicide. second wife divorced. 3rd one died becoz of ill health. > my question is with his natal chart how can we find diffrent end of each wife? > any house denots like first wife, second wife ect...? > > any KP reader or other KP books given atricle for multiple marrage...twji can tel us.... > > member can give light on this topic... > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Dear Hansraj, Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation of retrograde by a series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue implies the acceptence of retro theory. Regards, tw , hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does not > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in KP & > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: 45-51 by > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > hope it help > > > > regards > > Kanak > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the debate of > > retro. planets, I request > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 relating > > to obtention of > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all retro. > > planets only > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > planet.At times we do > > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to be > > either retro or > > in subs of retro planets making further process > > difficult.Your > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > , > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > > Charts are > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, and > > transits. > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of the > > house 12th to > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > > group. Kp does not > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > reference with page > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in natal > > horo. we can use > > in horary. > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier books > > that's diffrent. > > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > > knowledge decided it;s > > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > > that retro wil not > > work. > > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > > > Male > > > 8-mar-1976 > > > 23:56 IST > > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if 7,11.in > > birth time sat is > > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to be > > work as 2,3,4,7 > > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat is > > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > > retro. from 2005 to > > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > > bukthi from life > > partner is seprated from him. > > > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on retro > > rule. why this > > sepration done? > > > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein this > > chart in all. > > > again i am telling that > > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect then > > direct planet give > > next house result? then who wil give that deposited > > house result? > > > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they wil > > give only rule we > > only want check and apply. > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > mentions in > > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati Part > > 1 " , page > > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to the > > following houses, > > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > > houses 2 and 3 is > > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, for > > being in the star > > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > > " Vryadhipathi " for > > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > > anthara " (not all > > the > > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > > totally changed and > > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and houses 9 > > and 12, i.e. the > > > results of the " following houses " but not the > > results of " previous > > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > > Rahu and Ketu are > > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no change > > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > > M.P. Shanmugam > > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji KSK's > > views below > > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is contrary > > to your saying > > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > > making interesting > > the > > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in > > a Natal chart > > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > > direct motion or > > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > > planets in retrograde > > > if deposited in the constllation of another > > retrograde planet or in > > > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. > > Never success. > > > > > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > > 2006 " page 51, by > > > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not > > Horary also? " , > > > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. > > However, Prof. > > > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > > 2006 " page 50 > > > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub > > lord of the > > > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in > > the star or sub of > > > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result > > even though " the > > > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way > > of star lordship, > > > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the > > cancellation rule). > > > > > > 4. That is why this will be a very educative and > > interesting > > > research if a number of practical horoscopes > > related to this " very > > > controversial " retrogade would be studied to > > actually find the > > > common rule rather than saying Sri M.P. > > Shanmugam's view is > > childish > > > without any support of research proof, which is > > itself childish. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , swami omkar > > <swamiomkar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > vradhipathi means only 12th house lord. > > > > > > > > not retro or extra.. > > > > > > > > in astro secrate they mentioned that retro > > planets work the > > > privouse house matters. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear tw, As per KP principles, in NATAL charts there is no difference in direct and retro planets but in HORARY charts retro planets DO make a difference. Dr. Kar questions this basic distinction itself saying- “ if retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also ?” The first example he has taken shows 7 planets posited in the subs of retro planets. On page 56 second column para-“ But this incidence……… planets.” sheds more light on his thinking which is not strictly as per KP principles on retro planets as stated above. In KP & Astrology-1997 on page 51 he has reproduced Shri K.M.Subramaniam’s letter dtd.12-4-1980 which, inter alia, stated- “Of late, by experience, I notice that your theory of Retrograde planets is correct. Even when the sublord is retrograde the matter gets fructified and the significators even retrograde, get the matter fructified. At time, we get a feeling that we need not be worried about the planets’ retrograde motion.” Therefore, I think that Dr. Kar has not accepted retro theory as laid down originally in KP principles. Incidentally, please also refer to Shri Kanak’s visa case where it was observed that almost all RPs were either retro or in the sub of retro planets and retro planets gave the result like direct planets. I, however, would apprecite your views on the subject. Regards, Hansraj. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Hansraj, > > Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation of > retrograde by a > series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue > implies the > acceptence of retro theory. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > > , hansraj vyas > <hansraj_vyas > wrote: > > > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does > not > > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in > KP & > > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: > 45-51 by > > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > > > hope it help > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak > > > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the > debate of > > > retro. planets, I request > > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 > relating > > > to obtention of > > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all > retro. > > > planets only > > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > > planet.At times we do > > > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to > be > > > either retro or > > > in subs of retro planets making further process > > > difficult.Your > > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > > , > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > > > Charts are > > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, > and > > > transits. > > > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of > the > > > house 12th to > > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > > > group. Kp does not > > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > > reference with page > > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in > natal > > > horo. we can use > > > in horary. > > > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier > books > > > that's diffrent. > > > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > > > knowledge decided it;s > > > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > > > that retro wil not > > > work. > > > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > > > > > Male > > > > 8-mar-1976 > > > > 23:56 IST > > > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if > 7,11.in > > > birth time sat is > > > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to > be > > > work as 2,3,4,7 > > > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat > is > > > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > > > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > > > retro. from 2005 to > > > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > > > bukthi from life > > > partner is seprated from him. > > > > > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on > retro > > > rule. why this > > > sepration done? > > > > > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein > this > > > chart in all. > > > > again i am telling that > > > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect > then > > > direct planet give > > > next house result? then who wil give that > deposited > > > house result? > > > > > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they > wil > > > give only rule we > > > only want check and apply. > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > > mentions in > > > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati > Part > > > 1 " , page > > > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to > the > > > following houses, > > > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > > > houses 2 and 3 is > > > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, > for > > > being in the star > > > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > > > " Vryadhipathi " for > > > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > > > anthara " (not all > > > the > > > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > > > totally changed and > > > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and > houses 9 > > > and 12, i.e. the > > > > results of the " following houses " but not the > > > results of " previous > > > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > > > Rahu and Ketu are > > > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no > change > > > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > > > M.P. Shanmugam > > > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji > KSK's > > > views below > > > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is > contrary > > > to your saying > > > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > > > making interesting > > > the > > > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, > in > > > a Natal chart > > > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > > > direct motion or > > > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > > > planets in retrograde > > > > if deposited in the constllation of another > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Hansraj, If Dr. Kar Dr. Kar has not accepted retro theory, why he did try so hard to invent his cancellation theory of of retrograde by three articles: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation, A New Look and a New Find in KP (KP & Astrology Year Book 1996 pp 50-63)? If Retrogrde is not accepted, what for is his Cancellation Theory of Retrograde (which Prof. Rajendra Kumar says does not work)? Below are 2 paras from my posting Msg#8451. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). Regards, tw , hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > > Dear tw, > As per KP principles, in NATAL charts there is no > difference in direct and retro planets but in HORARY > charts retro planets DO make a difference. Dr. Kar > questions this basic distinction itself saying- " if > retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also > ? " The first example he has taken shows 7 planets > posited in the subs of retro planets. On page 56 > second column para- " But this incidence……… planets. " > sheds more light on his thinking which is not strictly > as per KP principles on retro planets as stated above. > In KP & Astrology-1997 on page 51 he has reproduced > Shri K.M.Subramaniam's letter dtd.12-4-1980 which, > inter alia, stated- " Of late, by experience, I notice > that your theory of Retrograde planets is correct. > Even when the sublord is retrograde the matter gets > fructified and the significators even retrograde, get > the matter fructified. At time, we get a feeling that > we need not be worried about the planets' retrograde > motion. " Therefore, I think that Dr. Kar has not > accepted retro theory as laid down originally in KP > principles. Incidentally, please also refer to Shri > Kanak's visa case where it was observed that almost > all RPs were either retro or in the sub of retro > planets and retro planets gave the result like direct > planets. I, however, would apprecite your views on > the subject. Regards, Hansraj. > > > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Hansraj, > > > > Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation of > > retrograde by a > > series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue > > implies the > > acceptence of retro theory. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , hansraj vyas > > <hansraj_vyas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does > > not > > > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in > > KP & > > > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: > > 45-51 by > > > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > > > > > hope it help > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak > > > > > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas@> wrote: > > > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the > > debate of > > > > retro. planets, I request > > > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 > > relating > > > > to obtention of > > > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all > > retro. > > > > planets only > > > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > > > planet.At times we do > > > > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to > > be > > > > either retro or > > > > in subs of retro planets making further process > > > > difficult.Your > > > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > > > , > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > > > > Charts are > > > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, > > and > > > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of > > the > > > > house 12th to > > > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > > > > group. Kp does not > > > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > > > reference with page > > > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in > > natal > > > > horo. we can use > > > > in horary. > > > > > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier > > books > > > > that's diffrent. > > > > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > > > > knowledge decided it;s > > > > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > > > > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > > > > that retro wil not > > > > work. > > > > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > > > > > > > Male > > > > > 8-mar-1976 > > > > > 23:56 IST > > > > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > > > > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if > > 7,11.in > > > > birth time sat is > > > > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > > > > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to > > be > > > > work as 2,3,4,7 > > > > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat > > is > > > > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > > > > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > > > > retro. from 2005 to > > > > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > > > > bukthi from life > > > > partner is seprated from him. > > > > > > > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on > > retro > > > > rule. why this > > > > sepration done? > > > > > > > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein > > this > > > > chart in all. > > > > > again i am telling that > > > > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect > > then > > > > direct planet give > > > > next house result? then who wil give that > > deposited > > > > house result? > > > > > > > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they > > wil > > > > give only rule we > > > > only want check and apply. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > > > > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > > > mentions in > > > > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati > > Part > > > > 1 " , page > > > > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to > > the > > > > following houses, > > > > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > > > > houses 2 and 3 is > > > > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, > > for > > > > being in the star > > > > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > > > > " Vryadhipathi " for > > > > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > > > > anthara " (not all > > > > the > > > > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > > > > totally changed and > > > > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and > > houses 9 > > > > and 12, i.e. the > > > > > results of the " following houses " but not the > > > > results of " previous > > > > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > > > > Rahu and Ketu are > > > > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no > > change > > > > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > > > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > > > > M.P. Shanmugam > > > > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji > > KSK's > > > > views below > > > > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is > > contrary > > > > to your saying > > > > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > > > > making interesting > > > > the > > > > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, > > in > > > > a Natal chart > > > > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > > > > direct motion or > > > > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > > > > planets in retrograde > > > > > if deposited in the constllation of another > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear tw, Thanks and regards, Hansraj. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Hansraj, > > If Dr. Kar Dr. Kar has not accepted retro theory, > why he did try so > hard to invent his cancellation theory of of > retrograde by three > articles: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation, A New > Look and a New Find > in KP (KP & Astrology Year Book 1996 pp 50-63)? If > Retrogrde is not > accepted, what for is his Cancellation Theory of > Retrograde (which > Prof. Rajendra Kumar says does not work)? > > Below are 2 paras from my posting Msg#8451. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a > Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct > motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets > in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another > retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. > Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " > page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not > Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. > However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book > 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub > lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the > star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result > even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of > star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the > cancellation rule). > > Regards, > > tw > > > , hansraj vyas > <hansraj_vyas > wrote: > > > > Dear tw, > > As per KP principles, in NATAL charts there is no > > difference in direct and retro planets but in > HORARY > > charts retro planets DO make a difference. Dr. Kar > > questions this basic distinction itself saying- " > if > > retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary > also > > ? " The first example he has taken shows 7 planets > > posited in the subs of retro planets. On page 56 > > second column para- " But this incidence……… > planets. " > > sheds more light on his thinking which is not > strictly > > as per KP principles on retro planets as stated > above. > > In KP & Astrology-1997 on page 51 he has > reproduced > > Shri K.M.Subramaniam's letter dtd.12-4-1980 which, > > inter alia, stated- " Of late, by experience, I > notice > > that your theory of Retrograde planets is correct. > > Even when the sublord is retrograde the matter > gets > > fructified and the significators even retrograde, > get > > the matter fructified. At time, we get a feeling > that > > we need not be worried about the planets' > retrograde > > motion. " Therefore, I think that Dr. Kar has not > > accepted retro theory as laid down originally in > KP > > principles. Incidentally, please also refer to > Shri > > Kanak's visa case where it was observed that > almost > > all RPs were either retro or in the sub of retro > > planets and retro planets gave the result like > direct > > planets. I, however, would apprecite your views > on > > the subject. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > Dear Hansraj, > > > > > > Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation > of > > > retrograde by a > > > series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue > > > implies the > > > acceptence of retro theory. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , hansraj vyas > > > <hansraj_vyas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar > does > > > not > > > > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated > in > > > KP & > > > > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: > > > 45-51 by > > > > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > > > > > > > hope it help > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak > > > > > > > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas@> wrote: > > > > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the > > > debate of > > > > > retro. planets, I request > > > > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 > > > relating > > > > > to obtention of > > > > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, > all > > > retro. > > > > > planets only > > > > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > > > > planet.At times we do > > > > > come across cases where almost all RPs > happen to > > > be > > > > > either retro or > > > > > in subs of retro planets making further > process > > > > > difficult.Your > > > > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > > > > , > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as > Natal > > > > > Charts are > > > > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary > Charts, > > > and > > > > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results > of > > > the > > > > > house 12th to > > > > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern > vedic > > > > > group. Kp does not > > > > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > > > > reference with page > > > > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work > in > > > natal > > > > > horo. we can use > > > > > in horary. > > > > > > > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in > thier > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear tw853, I tend to agree with you...However,instead of getting into avoidable discussions,I suggest we follow the sub-sub theory of Dr. Kar...which is remarkably accurate...presently I am experimenting with his TSP(Theory of Short Predictions)... What has been your experience with he sub-sub theory ? With kind regards, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Hansraj, If Dr. Kar Dr. Kar has not accepted retro theory, why he did try so hard to invent his cancellation theory of of retrograde by three articles: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation, A New Look and a New Find in KP (KP & Astrology Year Book 1996 pp 50-63)? If Retrogrde is not accepted, what for is his Cancellation Theory of Retrograde (which Prof. Rajendra Kumar says does not work)? Below are 2 paras from my posting Msg#8451. 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). Regards, tw , hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: > > Dear tw, > As per KP principles, in NATAL charts there is no > difference in direct and retro planets but in HORARY > charts retro planets DO make a difference. Dr. Kar > questions this basic distinction itself saying- " if > retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also > ? " The first example he has taken shows 7 planets > posited in the subs of retro planets. On page 56 > second column para- " But this incidence……… planets. " > sheds more light on his thinking which is not strictly > as per KP principles on retro planets as stated above. > In KP & Astrology-1997 on page 51 he has reproduced > Shri K.M.Subramaniam's letter dtd.12-4-1980 which, > inter alia, stated- " Of late, by experience, I notice > that your theory of Retrograde planets is correct. > Even when the sublord is retrograde the matter gets > fructified and the significators even retrograde, get > the matter fructified. At time, we get a feeling that > we need not be worried about the planets' retrograde > motion. " Therefore, I think that Dr. Kar has not > accepted retro theory as laid down originally in KP > principles. Incidentally, please also refer to Shri > Kanak's visa case where it was observed that almost > all RPs were either retro or in the sub of retro > planets and retro planets gave the result like direct > planets. I, however, would apprecite your views on > the subject. Regards, Hansraj. > > > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Hansraj, > > > > Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation of > > retrograde by a > > series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue > > implies the > > acceptence of retro theory. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , hansraj vyas > > <hansraj_vyas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does > > not > > > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in > > KP & > > > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: > > 45-51 by > > > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > > > > > hope it help > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak > > > > > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas@> wrote: > > > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the > > debate of > > > > retro. planets, I request > > > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 > > relating > > > > to obtention of > > > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all > > retro. > > > > planets only > > > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > > > planet.At times we do > > > > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to > > be > > > > either retro or > > > > in subs of retro planets making further process > > > > difficult.Your > > > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > > > , > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > > > > Charts are > > > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, > > and > > > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of > > the > > > > house 12th to > > > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > > > > group. Kp does not > > > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > > > reference with page > > > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in > > natal > > > > horo. we can use > > > > in horary. > > > > > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier > > books > > > > that's diffrent. > > > > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > > > > knowledge decided it;s > > > > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > > > > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > > > > that retro wil not > > > > work. > > > > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > > > > > > > Male > > > > > 8-mar-1976 > > > > > 23:56 IST > > > > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > > > > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if > > 7,11.in > > > > birth time sat is > > > > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > > > > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to > > be > > > > work as 2,3,4,7 > > > > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat > > is > > > > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > > > > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > > > > retro. from 2005 to > > > > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > > > > bukthi from life > > > > partner is seprated from him. > > > > > > > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on > > retro > > > > rule. why this > > > > sepration done? > > > > > > > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein > > this > > > > chart in all. > > > > > again i am telling that > > > > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect > > then > > > > direct planet give > > > > next house result? then who wil give that > > deposited > > > > house result? > > > > > > > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they > > wil > > > > give only rule we > > > > only want check and apply. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > > > > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > > > mentions in > > > > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati > > Part > > > > 1 " , page > > > > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to > > the > > > > following houses, > > > > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > > > > houses 2 and 3 is > > > > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, > > for > > > > being in the star > > > > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > > > > " Vryadhipathi " for > > > > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > > > > anthara " (not all > > > > the > > > > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > > > > totally changed and > > > > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and > > houses 9 > > > > and 12, i.e. the > > > > > results of the " following houses " but not the > > > > results of " previous > > > > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > > > > Rahu and Ketu are > > > > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no > > change > > > > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > > > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > > > > M.P. Shanmugam > > > > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji > > KSK's > > > > views below > > > > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is > > contrary > > > > to your saying > > > > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > > > > making interesting > > > > the > > > > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, > > in > > > > a Natal chart > > > > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > > > > direct motion or > > > > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > > > > planets in retrograde > > > > > if deposited in the constllation of another > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Lajmi ji, I have not yet mastered the practical application of Dr. Kar's sub- sub theory even with the ready-calculated MST Table by KPAstro 2.5. Anyway there should be something practically useful in this briliant KP scholar's sub-sub theory. Regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear tw853, > I tend to agree with you...However,instead of getting into avoidable discussions,I suggest we follow the sub-sub theory of Dr. Kar...which is remarkably accurate...presently I am experimenting with his TSP(Theory of Short Predictions)... > What has been your experience with he sub-sub theory ? > With kind regards, > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Hansraj, > > If Dr. Kar Dr. Kar has not accepted retro theory, why he did try so > hard to invent his cancellation theory of of retrograde by three > articles: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation, A New Look and a New Find > in KP (KP & Astrology Year Book 1996 pp 50-63)? If Retrogrde is not > accepted, what for is his Cancellation Theory of Retrograde (which > Prof. Rajendra Kumar says does not work)? > > Below are 2 paras from my posting Msg#8451. > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, in a Natal chart > there is no difference whether a planet is in direct motion or > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde > if deposited in the constllation of another retrograde planet or in > its own when retrograde, promises only failure. Never success. > > 3. Dr. K.R. Kar, in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 51, by > saying " if retrograde in Natal is nothing, why not Horary also? " , > invented the rule for cancellation of retrograde. However, Prof. > Rajendra Kumar says in " K.P. & Astrlogy Year Book 2006 " page 50 > (Inference from A Honest Retrospection), the sub lord of the > principle cusp if retrograde, or if deposited in the star or sub of > a planet that is retrorade, will neagte the result even though " the > retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, > or by beign within 30 degrees to the Sun " (the cancellation rule). > > Regards, > > tw > > , hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear tw, > > As per KP principles, in NATAL charts there is no > > difference in direct and retro planets but in HORARY > > charts retro planets DO make a difference. Dr. Kar > > questions this basic distinction itself saying- " if > > retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also > > ? " The first example he has taken shows 7 planets > > posited in the subs of retro planets. On page 56 > > second column para- " But this incidence……… planets. " > > sheds more light on his thinking which is not strictly > > as per KP principles on retro planets as stated above. > > In KP & Astrology-1997 on page 51 he has reproduced > > Shri K.M.Subramaniam's letter dtd.12-4-1980 which, > > inter alia, stated- " Of late, by experience, I notice > > that your theory of Retrograde planets is correct. > > Even when the sublord is retrograde the matter gets > > fructified and the significators even retrograde, get > > the matter fructified. At time, we get a feeling that > > we need not be worried about the planets' retrograde > > motion. " Therefore, I think that Dr. Kar has not > > accepted retro theory as laid down originally in KP > > principles. Incidentally, please also refer to Shri > > Kanak's visa case where it was observed that almost > > all RPs were either retro or in the sub of retro > > planets and retro planets gave the result like direct > > planets. I, however, would apprecite your views on > > the subject. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Hansraj, > > > > > > Dr. Kar's invention of the rule for cancellation of > > > retrograde by a > > > series of articles in KP & Astrlogy 1996 issue > > > implies the > > > acceptence of retro theory. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , hansraj vyas > > > <hansraj_vyas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kanak, Thanks for the reference. Dr.Kar does > > > not > > > > accept retro theory and this he has illstrated in > > > KP & > > > > astrlogy 1996 issue also. Regards, Hansraj. > > > > > > > > --- Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Hansraj ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please refer KP & Astrology 1997 Page no: > > > 45-51 by > > > > > Shri pt.K.R.Kar. on retroplanet. > > > > > > > > > > hope it help > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak > > > > > > > > > > hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas@> wrote: > > > > > - Resp. Raichurji, Whilst on the > > > debate of > > > > > retro. planets, I request > > > > > reference to Shri Kanak's message no.7843 > > > relating > > > > > to obtention of > > > > > visa and my reply no.7854 where, in fact, all > > > retro. > > > > > planets only > > > > > tally leaving out Mars wich was only direct > > > > > planet.At times we do > > > > > come across cases where almost all RPs happen to > > > be > > > > > either retro or > > > > > in subs of retro planets making further process > > > > > difficult.Your > > > > > comments please.Regards, Hansraj.-- In > > > > > , > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > KP has told us to forget Retro as far as Natal > > > > > Charts are > > > > > concerned. His ruling is only for Horary Charts, > > > and > > > > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > That a Retro planet will give the results of > > > the > > > > > house 12th to > > > > > it, is a theorey propounded by the modern vedic > > > > > group. Kp does not > > > > > support this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami omkar <swamiomkar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear tw ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i think u having all KP books , u can give > > > > > reference with page > > > > > number that's not needed now. > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion is retro theory i wil not work in > > > natal > > > > > horo. we can use > > > > > in horary. > > > > > > > > > > > > what ever KSK or MP shanmugam told in thier > > > books > > > > > that's diffrent. > > > > > if that applicabel in Practicale.. through our > > > > > knowledge decided it;s > > > > > fales then it should not useful in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > problem is i having lot of model horoscope the > > > > > that retro wil not > > > > > work. > > > > > > followinng is model chart for this > > > > > > > > > > > > Male > > > > > > 8-mar-1976 > > > > > > 23:56 IST > > > > > > Dindukal (10:22 N / 77:59 E) > > > > > > > > > > > > In above chart sat is not significator if > > > 7,11.in > > > > > birth time sat is > > > > > retro. saturn signify 3,4,5,8 > > > > > > > > > > > > becoz sat is retro from birth time it want to > > > be > > > > > work as 2,3,4,7 > > > > > > becoz 12th house from signification. now sat > > > is > > > > > bukthi lord ( 19-10- > > > > > 2005 to 1-05-2008) 2,7 is signifiying based on > > > > > retro. from 2005 to > > > > > 2008 the sat is retrograted two times. in this > > > > > bukthi from life > > > > > partner is seprated from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > why this happend if sat signify 2,7based on > > > retro > > > > > rule. why this > > > > > sepration done? > > > > > > > > > > > > so my thought is rule is failure. not evein > > > this > > > > > chart in all. > > > > > > again i am telling that > > > > > > Retro planet giving perivious house effect > > > then > > > > > direct planet give > > > > > next house result? then who wil give that > > > deposited > > > > > house result? > > > > > > > > > > > > eveytime SHamugam and KSK wil not help...they > > > wil > > > > > give only rule we > > > > > only want check and apply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As far as I understand, Sri M.P. Shanmugam > > > > > mentions in > > > > > > his " Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhdhati > > > Part > > > > > 1 " , page > > > > > > 28, " Vryadhipathi " as 12th or detrimental to > > > the > > > > > following houses, > > > > > > eg. in Ta arising horoscope Mer's lordship of > > > > > houses 2 and 3 is > > > > > > a " Vryadhipathi " for houses 3 and 6 and Mer, > > > for > > > > > being in the star > > > > > > of Jup which signifies houses 8 and 11, is a > > > > > " Vryadhipathi " for > > > > > > houses 9 and 12; During Mer " dasa or bhukti or > > > > > anthara " (not all > > > > > the > > > > > > time), this same Mercury when retrograde is > > > > > totally changed and > > > > > > offer the results of houses 3 and 6, and > > > houses 9 > > > > > and 12, i.e. the > > > > > > results of the " following houses " but not the > > > > > results of " previous > > > > > > houses " as per your understanding; in page 27, > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are > > > > > > ever retrograde. Never direct. Hence, no > > > change > > > > > for Rahu-Kethu. As > > > > > > mentioned in about the author in his book, Sri > > > > > M.P. Shanmugam > > > > > > mastered all the KP Readers including Guruji > > > KSK's > > > > > views below > > > > > > regarding planets in retrograde, which is > > > contrary > > > > > to your saying > > > > > > that KP Readers are not textbooks to study KP > > > > > making interesting > > > > > the > > > > > > source of your KP knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Guruji KSK says in " KP Reader VI " page 145, > > > in > > > > > a Natal chart > > > > > > there is no difference whether a planet is in > > > > > direct motion or > > > > > > retrograde; in page 146 in Horary horoscope, > > > > > planets in retrograde > > > > > > if deposited in the constllation of another > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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