Downfall of Kenny Boy

July 11, 2006

Dear All,

1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone,

Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance

3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps: 5th

Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06, 10th

Ge 13:05:46)

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of RAH.

RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No

planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

(a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7=

court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

(b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa and

Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub),

Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa and

Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by

sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa indicates

all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in transit

were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

(a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the

star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

(b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT.

(Transit RAH in 6)

SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in

the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of Mercury

and sub of RAH.

MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of KET.

SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of

MER and sub of SAT.

MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

survival.

(d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in his

natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more

difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

Regards,

tw

July 12, 2006

Dear Tin win ji,

Have you change Geocentric Correction?

At ther time of deth i found

Asc.Ta 010:32:03

RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

MAR Cn 025:22:57

MER Cn 007:30:13

Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

regards

kanak

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear All,

1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone,

Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance

3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps: 5th

Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06, 10th

Ge 13:05:46)

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of RAH.

RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No

planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

(a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7=

court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

(b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa and

Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub),

Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa and

Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by

sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa indicates

all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in transit

were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

(a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the

star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

(b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT.

(Transit RAH in 6)

SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in

the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of Mercury

and sub of RAH.

MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of KET.

SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of

MER and sub of SAT.

MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

survival.

(d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in his

natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more

difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

Regards,

tw

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July 12, 2006

Dear Kanak,

As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give

more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II

page 304-320 at the end of book)

Here are some misunderstanding:

(a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

(b) MER is the same.

change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

(d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro

2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric Correction " ,

the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly

used.

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin win ji,

>

> Have you change Geocentric Correction?

>

> At ther time of deth i found

> Asc.Ta 010:32:03

>

> RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

>

> MAR Cn 025:22:57

>

> MER Cn 007:30:13

>

> Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone,

> Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance

> 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps:

5th

> Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06,

10th

> Ge 13:05:46)

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

>

> 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

>

> Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of

RAH.

> RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

>

> Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

>

> Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No

> planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

>

> (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7=

> court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

>

> (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa

and

> Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub),

> Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa

and

> Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by

> sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

>

> © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

negative

> effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

>

> 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

indicates

> all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

transit

> were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

>

> Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

>

> Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

>

> Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the

> star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

>

> (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

>

> Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT.

> (Transit RAH in 6)

> SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in

> the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

>

> Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

Mercury

> and sub of RAH.

> MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of

KET.

> SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of

> MER and sub of SAT.

> MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for cure

or

> survival.

>

> (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in

his

> natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more

> difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

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>

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>

July 13, 2006

Dear Tin Win ji,

In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change as mean, In

2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true some time

RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

regards

kanak

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Kanak,

As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give

more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II

page 304-320 at the end of book)

Here are some misunderstanding:

(a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

(b) MER is the same.

change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

(d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro

2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric Correction " ,

the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly

used.

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin win ji,

>

> Have you change Geocentric Correction?

>

> At ther time of deth i found

> Asc.Ta 010:32:03

>

> RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

>

> MAR Cn 025:22:57

>

> MER Cn 007:30:13

>

> Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone,

> Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance

> 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps:

5th

> Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06,

10th

> Ge 13:05:46)

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

>

> 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

>

> Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of

RAH.

> RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

>

> Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

>

> Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No

> planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

>

> (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7=

> court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

>

> (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa

and

> Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub),

> Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa

and

> Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by

> sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

>

> © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

negative

> effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

>

> 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

indicates

> all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

transit

> were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

>

> Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

>

> Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

>

> Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the

> star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

>

> (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

>

> Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT.

> (Transit RAH in 6)

> SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in

> the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

>

> Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

Mercury

> and sub of RAH.

> MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of

KET.

> SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of

> MER and sub of SAT.

> MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

>

> © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for cure

or

> survival.

>

> (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in

his

> natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more

> difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

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>

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>

July 14, 2006

Dear Kanak,

TRUE AND MEAN NODE

True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time, while

Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that when

the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero

latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the word,

even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the times

when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times in

between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded on

the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical

elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon,

because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True position

of Nodes.

But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other

than SA followers using True.

About the Nodes

www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows

the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and True

(in blue).

Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what conditions

the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For

instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53

at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per

KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and

10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting

in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC

position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan

says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used and

not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude. "

Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for conversion of

the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to be

confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and

converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one already

given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC

position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg GEOCENTRIC

in " astraura " .

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win ji,

> In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change

as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

>

> Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true

some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

>

> I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

>

> As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give

> more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II

> page 304-320 at the end of book)

>

> Here are some misunderstanding:

>

> (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

> 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

> mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

>

> (b) MER is the same.

>

> © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE. Pl

> change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

>

> (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro

> 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric Correction " ,

> the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly

> used.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin win ji,

> >

> > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> >

> > At ther time of deth i found

> > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> >

> > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> >

> > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> >

> > MER Cn 007:30:13

> >

> > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone,

> > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance

> > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps:

> 5th

> > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06,

> 10th

> > Ge 13:05:46)

> >

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> >

> > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> >

> > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of

> RAH.

> > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> >

> > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> >

> > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12.

(No

> > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> >

> > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of

7=

> > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> >

> > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa

> and

> > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by

sub),

> > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa

> and

> > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by

> > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> >

> > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

> negative

> > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> >

> > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> indicates

> > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

> transit

> > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> >

> > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> >

> > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> >

> > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> >

> > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in

the

> > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> >

> > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> >

> > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of

SAT.

> > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is

in

> > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> >

> > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

> Mercury

> > and sub of RAH.

> > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> >

> > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of

> KET.

> > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of

> > MER and sub of SAT.

> > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> >

> > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for

cure

> or

> > survival.

> >

> > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in

> his

> > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more

> > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

> >

> > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.

> >

July 14, 2006

Dear Kanak,

He might be already dead around 40-45 min earlier than 3:11 AM of

pronounced death time while Asc at death was still in 8th of his

natal chart.

Regards,

tw

News reports said that an ambulance was summoned to his vacation

home near Aspen, CO at 1:41 AM local time. He was rushed to Aspen

Valley Hospital where at 3:11 AM he was pronounced dead.

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Kanak,

>

> TRUE AND MEAN NODE

>

> True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time,

while

> Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

>

> The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

> occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

>

> The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

>

> The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that

when

> the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero

> latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

>

> However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the

word,

> even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the

times

> when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times

in

> between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded

on

> the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical

> elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon,

> because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

>

> Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True

position

> of Nodes.

> But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other

> than SA followers using True.

>

> About the Nodes

> www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

>

> The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

> calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

> accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows

> the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and

True

> (in blue).

>

> Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

> charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what

conditions

> the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

>

> GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

>

> Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

> automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For

> instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53

> at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per

> KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

> setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and

> 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

>

> It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting

> in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC

> position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan

> says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

> Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used and

> not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude. "

> Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for conversion of

> the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

> in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to be

> confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and

> converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

already

> given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC

> position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg

GEOCENTRIC

> in " astraura " .

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change

> as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

> >

> > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true

> some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

> >

> > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Kanak,

> >

> > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to

give

> > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part

II

> > page 304-320 at the end of book)

> >

> > Here are some misunderstanding:

> >

> > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

> > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

> > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

> >

> > (b) MER is the same.

> >

> > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE.

Pl

> > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

> >

> > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by

KPAstro

> > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric

Correction " ,

> > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC

commonly

> > used.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > >

> > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> > >

> > > At ther time of deth i found

> > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> > >

> > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> > >

> > > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> > >

> > > MER Cn 007:30:13

> > >

> > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kanak

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West),

Tyrone,

> > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa

balance

> > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus

cusps:

> > 5th

> > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta

10:06:06,

> > 10th

> > > Ge 13:05:46)

> > >

> > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> > >

> > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> > >

> > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub

of

> > RAH.

> > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> > >

> > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> (No

> > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of

> 7=

> > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> > >

> > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by

> sub),

> > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7

by

> > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> > >

> > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

> > negative

> > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> > >

> > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> > indicates

> > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

> > transit

> > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in

> the

> > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> > >

> > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of

> SAT.

> > > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet

is

> in

> > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

> > Mercury

> > > and sub of RAH.

> > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub

of

> > KET.

> > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star

of

> > > MER and sub of SAT.

> > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for

> cure

> > or

> > > survival.

> > >

> > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown

in

> > his

> > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes

more

> > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

> > >

> > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.

> > >

July 14, 2006

Dear Tin Win ji, Thanks for details regards kanaktw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak,TRUE AND MEAN NODETrue is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time, while Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the

mean ones is that when the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the word, even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the times when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times in between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded on the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon, because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True position of Nodes.But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other than SA followers using True.About the Nodeswww.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htmThe problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that calculation is off

at the time of an eclipse where as the it accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and True (in blue). Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what conditions the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRICKnowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53 at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing "Use Geocentric Correction" in setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting in

"astraura" SW is "GEOGRAPHIC" and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan says in "KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers", Krishnamurti Publications, 2000, page 3, "Geohraphic Latitude has been used and not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude." Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the "tan" formula for conversion of the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted in "Astrosecrets Part 2", 2003, page 307. It does not need to be confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one already given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg GEOCENTRIC in "astraura" .Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia

<kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji,> In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.> > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?> > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.> > regards> kanak> > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak,> > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II > page 304-320 at the end of book) > > Here are some misunderstanding:> > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a

rounding > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart. > > (b) MER is the same.> > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE. Pl > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.> > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch "Use Geocentric Correction", > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly > used.> > Regards,> > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin win ji,> > > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?> > > > At ther time of deth i found > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03 > > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma> > >

> MAR Cn 025:22:57 > > > > MER Cn 007:30:13> > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th. > > > > regards> > kanak> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone, > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps: > 5th > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06, > 10th > > Ge 13:05:46)> > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm> > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when

he was convicted of > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH. > > > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of > RAH.> > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.> > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.> > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.> > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.> > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.> > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7= > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.> > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa > and > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies

2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub), > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa > and > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.> > > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed > negative > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).> > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa > indicates > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in > transit > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR> > > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.> > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.> > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of

MER and sub of JUP.> > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)> > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen, > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49> > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT. > > (Transit RAH in 6)> > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of > Mercury > > and sub of RAH.> > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of > KET.> > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of > > MER and sub of

SAT.> > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for cure > or > > survival.> > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in > his > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<> > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.> > > >

July 17, 2006

Dear Tin win ji, realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is nessesory to check which one give best result. Any one can check this ? regards kanaktw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak,TRUE AND MEAN NODETrue is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time, while Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that when the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the word, even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the times when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times in between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded on the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon, because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True position of Nodes.But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other than SA followers using

True.About the Nodeswww.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htmThe problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and True (in blue). Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what conditions the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRICKnowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53 at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing "Use Geocentric Correction" in setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will

become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting in "astraura" SW is "GEOGRAPHIC" and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan says in "KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers", Krishnamurti Publications, 2000, page 3, "Geohraphic Latitude has been used and not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude." Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the "tan" formula for conversion of the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted in "Astrosecrets Part 2", 2003, page 307. It does not need to be confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one already given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg GEOCENTRIC

in "astraura" .Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji,> In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.> > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?> > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.> > regards> kanak> > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak,> > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II > page 304-320 at the end of book) > > Here are some

misunderstanding:> > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart. > > (b) MER is the same.> > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE. Pl > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.> > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch "Use Geocentric Correction", > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly > used.> > Regards,> > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin win ji,> > > > Have you change Geocentric

Correction?> > > > At ther time of deth i found > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03 > > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma> > > > MAR Cn 025:22:57 > > > > MER Cn 007:30:13> > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th. > > > > regards> > kanak> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone, > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps: > 5th > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06, > 10th > > Ge 13:05:46)> > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm> > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH. > > > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub of > RAH.> > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.> > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.> > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.> > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.> > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.> > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. (No > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of 7= > >

court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.> > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa > and > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by sub), > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa > and > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.> > > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed > negative > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).> > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa > indicates > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in > transit > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR>

> > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.> > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.> > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.> > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in the > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)> > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen, > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49> > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of SAT. > > (Transit RAH in 6)> > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is in > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of > Mercury > > and sub of RAH.> > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > Anthara

lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of > KET.> > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of > > MER and sub of SAT.> > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for cure > or > > survival.> > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in > his > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<> > > > > > > > Do you

?> > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.> > > >

July 17, 2006

Dear All,

Any well known vedic astrologers other

than SA followers using True Node?

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin win ji,

>

> realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is

nessesory to check which one give best result.

>

> Any one can check this ?

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

>

> TRUE AND MEAN NODE

>

> True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time,

while

> Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

>

> The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

> occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

>

> The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

>

> The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that

when

> the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero

> latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

>

> However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the

word,

> even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the

times

> when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times

in

> between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded

on

> the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical

> elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon,

> because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

>

> Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True

position

> of Nodes.

> But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other

> than SA followers using True.

>

> About the Nodes

> www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

>

> The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

> calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

> accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows

> the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and

True

> (in blue).

>

> Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

> charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what

conditions

> the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

>

> GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

>

> Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

> automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For

> instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53

> at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per

> KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

> setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and

> 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

>

> It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting

> in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC

> position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan

> says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

> Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used and

> not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude. "

> Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for conversion of

> the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

> in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to be

> confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and

> converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

already

> given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC

> position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg

GEOCENTRIC

> in " astraura " .

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change

> as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

> >

> > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true

> some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

> >

> > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Kanak,

> >

> > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to

give

> > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part

II

> > page 304-320 at the end of book)

> >

> > Here are some misunderstanding:

> >

> > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

> > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

> > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

> >

> > (b) MER is the same.

> >

> > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE.

Pl

> > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

> >

> > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by

KPAstro

> > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric

Correction " ,

> > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC

commonly

> > used.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > >

> > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> > >

> > > At ther time of deth i found

> > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> > >

> > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> > >

> > > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> > >

> > > MER Cn 007:30:13

> > >

> > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kanak

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West),

Tyrone,

> > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa

balance

> > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus

cusps:

> > 5th

> > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta

10:06:06,

> > 10th

> > > Ge 13:05:46)

> > >

> > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> > >

> > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> > >

> > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub

of

> > RAH.

> > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> > >

> > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> (No

> > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of

> 7=

> > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> > >

> > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by

> sub),

> > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7

by

> > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> > >

> > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

> > negative

> > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> > >

> > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> > indicates

> > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

> > transit

> > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in

> the

> > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> > >

> > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of

> SAT.

> > > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet

is

> in

> > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

> > Mercury

> > > and sub of RAH.

> > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub

of

> > KET.

> > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star

of

> > > MER and sub of SAT.

> > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for

> cure

> > or

> > > survival.

> > >

> > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown

in

> > his

> > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes

more

> > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

> > >

> > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.

> > >

July 18, 2006

Dear Kanak,

Pl see Msg#50020 of Vedic-Astrology Group

(Sanjay Rath).

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin win ji,

>

> realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is

nessesory to check which one give best result.

>

> Any one can check this ?

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

>

> TRUE AND MEAN NODE

>

> True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time,

while

> Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

>

> The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

> occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

>

> The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

>

> The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that

when

> the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero

> latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

>

> However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the

word,

> even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the

times

> when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times

in

> between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded

on

> the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical

> elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon,

> because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

>

> Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True

position

> of Nodes.

> But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other

> than SA followers using True.

>

> About the Nodes

> www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

>

> The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

> calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

> accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows

> the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and

True

> (in blue).

>

> Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

> charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what

conditions

> the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

>

> GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

>

> Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

> automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For

> instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53

> at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per

> KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

> setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and

> 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

>

> It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting

> in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC

> position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan

> says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

> Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used and

> not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude. "

> Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for conversion of

> the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

> in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to be

> confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and

> converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

already

> given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC

> position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg

GEOCENTRIC

> in " astraura " .

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change

> as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

> >

> > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true

> some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

> >

> > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Kanak,

> >

> > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to

give

> > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part

II

> > page 304-320 at the end of book)

> >

> > Here are some misunderstanding:

> >

> > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

> > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

> > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

> >

> > (b) MER is the same.

> >

> > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE.

Pl

> > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

> >

> > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by

KPAstro

> > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric

Correction " ,

> > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC

commonly

> > used.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > >

> > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> > >

> > > At ther time of deth i found

> > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> > >

> > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> > >

> > > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> > >

> > > MER Cn 007:30:13

> > >

> > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kanak

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West),

Tyrone,

> > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa

> > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa

balance

> > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus

cusps:

> > 5th

> > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta

10:06:06,

> > 10th

> > > Ge 13:05:46)

> > >

> > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> > >

> > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of

> > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> > >

> > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub

of

> > RAH.

> > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> > >

> > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> (No

> > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of

> 7=

> > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> > >

> > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by

> sub),

> > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and

Dasa

> > and

> > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7

by

> > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> > >

> > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed

> > negative

> > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> > >

> > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> > indicates

> > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

> > transit

> > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> > >

> > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in

> the

> > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> > >

> > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> > >

> > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of

> SAT.

> > > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet

is

> in

> > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > >

> > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

> > Mercury

> > > and sub of RAH.

> > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub

of

> > KET.

> > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star

of

> > > MER and sub of SAT.

> > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > >

> > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for

> cure

> > or

> > > survival.

> > >

> > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown

in

> > his

> > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes

more

> > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

> > >

> > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.

> > >

July 18, 2006

Dear Tin Win ji, I try to found Sanjay Rath's messgae but cant able. But i found Graham Fox mail. I agree with him we have to check event of a person who pass throu DBAS mainly under RAHU and KETU . regards kanak vedic astrology , "Graham Fox"<fox.graham wrote:I find the true nodes give better results: there are often stationsor changes of directions of the nodes on key points of the natalchart at crucial moments (eg. death of family members). Also, Nodesare eclipse factors, and the positions of the true nodes betterreflect the actual timing of an eclipse. In addition, one

couldargue that all the planets have "mean" positions, so why botherobserving and calculating precisely where they really are? Whybother with retrograde Mars or Mercury, since their usual and "mean"movement is direct? I admit that it's hard to interpret from DCs andnakshatra etc which nodes are better: I suggest looking at whathappens when the true nodes go stationary or direct, and seeing ifit tallies with key events in someone's life.Best wishesGraham Foxtw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear

Kanak,Pl see Msg#50020 of Vedic-Astrology Group(Sanjay Rath).Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin win ji,> > realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is nessesory to check which one give best result.> > Any one can check this ?> > regards> kanak> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak,> > TRUE AND MEAN NODE> > True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time, while > Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.> > The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may > occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.> > The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.> > The advantage

of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that when > the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero > latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.> > However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the word, > even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the times > when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times in > between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded on > the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical > elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon, > because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.> > Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True position > of Nodes.> But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other > than SA followers using True.> > About the

Nodes> www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm> > The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that > calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it > accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows > the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and True > (in blue). > > Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example > charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what conditions > the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.> > GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC> > Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position > automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For > instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53 > at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per > KPAstro 2.5 and after

pressing "Use Geocentric Correction" in > setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and > 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.> > It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting > in "astraura" SW is "GEOGRAPHIC" and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC > position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan > says in "KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers", Krishnamurti > Publications, 2000, page 3, "Geohraphic Latitude has been used and > not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude." > Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the "tan" formula for conversion of > the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted > in "Astrosecrets Part 2", 2003, page 307. It does not need to be > confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and > converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

already > given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC > position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg GEOCENTRIC > in "astraura" .> > Regards,> > tw> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin Win ji,> > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change > as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.> > > > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true > some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?> > > > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.> > > > regards> > kanak> > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Kanak,> > >

> As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised > > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to give > > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part II > > page 304-320 at the end of book) > > > > Here are some misunderstanding:> > > > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and > > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding > > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart. > > > > (b) MER is the same.> > > > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE. Pl > > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.> > > > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by KPAstro > > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch "Use Geocentric Correction", > > the

result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC commonly > > used.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tin win ji,> > > > > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?> > > > > > At ther time of deth i found > > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03 > > > > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma> > > > > > MAR Cn 025:22:57 > > > > > > MER Cn 007:30:13> > > > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th. > > > > > > regards> > > kanak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853

<tw853@> wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), Tyrone, > > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa > > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa balance > > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus cusps: > > 5th > > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta 10:06:06, > > 10th > > > Ge 13:05:46)> > > > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm> > > > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of > > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH. > > > > > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of

VEN and own sub of > > RAH.> > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.> > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.> > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.> > > > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.> > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.> > > > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. > (No > > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of > 7= > > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.> > > > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and Dasa > > and > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by > sub), >

> > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and Dasa > > and > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 by > > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.> > > > > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed > > negative > > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).> > > > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa > > indicates > > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in > > transit > > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR> > > > > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.> > > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed

above.> > > > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.> > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in > the > > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)> > > > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen, > > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49> > > > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of > SAT. > > > (Transit RAH in 6)> > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet is > in > > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of > > Mercury > > > and sub of RAH.> > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > > > Anthara lord MER

(Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub of > > KET.> > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star of > > > MER and sub of SAT.> > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for > cure > > or > > > survival.> > > > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown in > > his > > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes more > > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can

See Me Crying <<> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.> > > > > >

July 18, 2006

Dear Kanak,

I mean Sanjay Rath's group and " Graham Fox " is a rseponse to

Msg#50020 as reffered. As you see another response is below.

Re: [vedic astrology] True or Mean Nodes

Whether anyone suggests or not. By charecter Nodes can never go

forward, hence there is no such thing as True nodes.

Take mean nodes always

best wishes

partha

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win ji,

> I try to found Sanjay Rath's messgae but cant able.

> But i found Graham Fox mail.

> I agree with him we have to check event of a person who pass

throu DBAS mainly under RAHU and KETU .

>

> regards

> kanak

>

> vedic astrology , " Graham Fox "

> <fox.graham@> wrote:

>

> I find the true nodes give better results: there are often stations

> or changes of directions of the nodes on key points of the natal

> chart at crucial moments (eg. death of family members). Also, Nodes

> are eclipse factors, and the positions of the true nodes better

> reflect the actual timing of an eclipse. In addition, one could

> argue that all the planets have " mean " positions, so why bother

> observing and calculating precisely where they really are? Why

> bother with retrograde Mars or Mercury, since their usual

and " mean "

> movement is direct? I admit that it's hard to interpret from DCs

and

> nakshatra etc which nodes are better: I suggest looking at what

> happens when the true nodes go stationary or direct, and seeing if

> it tallies with key events in someone's life.

> Best wishes

> Graham Fox

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

>

> Pl see Msg#50020 of Vedic-Astrology Group

> (Sanjay Rath).

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin win ji,

> >

> > realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is

> nessesory to check which one give best result.

> >

> > Any one can check this ?

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Kanak,

> >

> > TRUE AND MEAN NODE

> >

> > True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time,

> while

> > Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

> >

> > The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

> > occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

> >

> > The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

> >

> > The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that

> when

> > the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero

> > latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

> >

> > However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the

> word,

> > even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the

> times

> > when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the

times

> in

> > between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are

founded

> on

> > the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical

> > elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the

Moon,

> > because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

> >

> > Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True

> position

> > of Nodes.

> > But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers

other

> > than SA followers using True.

> >

> > About the Nodes

> > www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

> >

> > The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

> > calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

> > accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows

> > the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and

> True

> > (in blue).

> >

> > Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

> > charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what

> conditions

> > the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

> >

> > GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

> >

> > Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

> > automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For

> > instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi

12:26:53

> > at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as

per

> > KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

> > setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth

and

> > 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

> >

> > It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting

> > in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora

GEOCENTRIC

> > position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya

Sattainathan

> > says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

> > Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used

and

> > not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude. "

> > Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for conversion

of

> > the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

> > in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to be

> > confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and

> > converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

> already

> > given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC

> > position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg

> GEOCENTRIC

> > in " astraura " .

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I change

> > as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

> > >

> > > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true

> > some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

> > >

> > > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kanak

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Kanak,

> > >

> > > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> > > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to

> give

> > > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part

> II

> > > page 304-320 at the end of book)

> > >

> > > Here are some misunderstanding:

> > >

> > > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and

> > > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding

> > > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

> > >

> > > (b) MER is the same.

> > >

TRUE.

> Pl

> > > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

> > >

> > > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by

> KPAstro

> > > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric

> Correction " ,

> > > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC

> commonly

> > > used.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > > >

> > > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> > > >

> > > > At ther time of deth i found

> > > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> > > >

> > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> > > >

> > > > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> > > >

> > > > MER Cn 007:30:13

> > > >

> > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > kanak

> > > >

> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West),

> Tyrone,

> > > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP

Ayanamsa

> > > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa

> balance

> > > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus

> cusps:

> > > 5th

> > > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta

> 10:06:06,

> > > 10th

> > > > Ge 13:05:46)

> > > >

> > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> > > >

> > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted

of

> > > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> > > >

> > > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub

> of

> > > RAH.

> > > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> > > >

> > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> > > >

> > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O

12.

> > (No

> > > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > > >

> > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification

of

> > 7=

> > > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> > > >

> > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11 and

> Dasa

> > > and

> > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by

> > sub),

> > > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and

> Dasa

> > > and

> > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9,

(7

> by

> > > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> > > >

> > > negative

> > > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> > > >

> > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> > > indicates

> > > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in

> > > transit

> > > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > >

> > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> > > >

> > > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> > > >

> > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> > > >

> > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is

in

> > the

> > > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> > > >

> > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen,

> > > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> > > >

> > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of

> > SAT.

> > > > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet

> is

> > in

> > > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > > >

> > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of

> > > Mercury

> > > > and sub of RAH.

> > > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > >

> > > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub

> of

> > > KET.

> > > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the

star

> of

> > > > MER and sub of SAT.

> > > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > >

> > cure

> > > or

> > > > survival.

> > > >

> > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not shown

> in

> > > his

> > > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes

> more

> > > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

> > > >

> > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail

Beta.

> > > >

July 19, 2006

Dear Tin Win ji, Yes i read this messgge, As Far As i know some roll of RAHU in calculations of Aynamsha ,I am not sure but i will check my old vedic notebooks.or i will contect my astro maths Guru and get information. If i found somthing i will come back with details. regards Kanaktw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak,I mean Sanjay Rath's group and "Graham Fox" is a rseponse to Msg#50020 as reffered. As you see another

response is below.Re: [vedic astrology] True or Mean Nodes Whether anyone suggests or not. By charecter Nodes can never goforward, hence there is no such thing as True nodes.Take mean nodes alwaysbest wishesparthaRegards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji,> I try to found Sanjay Rath's messgae but cant able.> But i found Graham Fox mail.> I agree with him we have to check event of a person who pass throu DBAS mainly under RAHU and KETU .> > regards> kanak> > vedic astrology , "Graham Fox"> <fox.graham@> wrote:> > > I find the true nodes give better results: there are often stations> or

changes of directions of the nodes on key points of the natal> chart at crucial moments (eg. death of family members). Also, Nodes> are eclipse factors, and the positions of the true nodes better> reflect the actual timing of an eclipse. In addition, one could> argue that all the planets have "mean" positions, so why bother> observing and calculating precisely where they really are? Why> bother with retrograde Mars or Mercury, since their usual and "mean"> movement is direct? I admit that it's hard to interpret from DCs and> nakshatra etc which nodes are better: I suggest looking at what> happens when the true nodes go stationary or direct, and seeing if> it tallies with key events in someone's life.> Best wishes> Graham Fox> > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak,> > Pl see Msg#50020 of Vedic-Astrology Group> (Sanjay

Rath).> > Regards,> > tw > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin win ji,> > > > realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is > nessesory to check which one give best result.> > > > Any one can check this ?> > > > regards> > kanak> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Kanak,> > > > TRUE AND MEAN NODE> > > > True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time, > while > > Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.> > > > The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may > > occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.> > > > The

calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.> > > > The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is that > when > > the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a zero > > latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.> > > > However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the > word, > > even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the > times > > when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the times > in > > between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are founded > on > > the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by elliptical > > elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the Moon, > > because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.> > > > Some are saying that in Hindu astrology

they take the True > position > > of Nodes.> > But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers other > > than SA followers using True.> > > > About the Nodes> > www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm> > > > The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that > > calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it > > accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that shows > > the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and > True > > (in blue). > > > > Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example > > charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what > conditions > > the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.> > > > GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC> > > >

Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position > > automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue. For > > instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi 12:26:53 > > at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as per > > KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing "Use Geocentric Correction" in > > setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth and > > 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.> > > > It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default setting > > in "astraura" SW is "GEOGRAPHIC" and in Jagnnatha Hora GEOCENTRIC > > position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan > > says in "KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers", Krishnamurti > > Publications, 2000, page 3, "Geohraphic Latitude has been used and > > not Geocentric because

Gurujui KSK had used Geografic Latitude." > > Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the "tan" formula for conversion of > > the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted > > in "Astrosecrets Part 2", 2003, page 307. It does not need to be > > confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC and > > converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one > already > > given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get GEOGRAPHIC > > position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg > GEOCENTRIC > > in "astraura" .> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tin Win ji,> > > In my KPAstro-RP any how

change RAH-KET as true , Now I change > > as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.> > > > > > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in true > > some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?> > > > > > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-RP.> > > > > > regards> > > kanak> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > Dear Kanak,> > > > > > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised > > > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric to > give > > > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets Part > II > > > page 304-320 at the end of book) > > > > > > Here are some misunderstanding:> > >

> > > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58 and > > > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a rounding > > > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart. > > > > > > (b) MER is the same.> > > > > > © RAH of mine Pi 04:19:19 is MEAN and yours 04:45:10 is TRUE. > Pl > > > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.> > > > > > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by > KPAstro > > > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch "Use Geocentric > Correction", > > > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC > commonly > > > used.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw > > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Tin win ji,> > > > > > > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?> > > > > > > > At ther time of deth i found > > > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03 > > > > > > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma> > > > > > > > MAR Cn 025:22:57 > > > > > > > > MER Cn 007:30:13> > > > > > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th. > > > > > > > > regards> > > > kanak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > >

> > > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West), > Tyrone, > > > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP Ayanamsa > > > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa > balance > > > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus > cusps: > > > 5th > > > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta > 10:06:06, > > > 10th > > > > Ge 13:05:46)> > > > > > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm> > > > > > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted of > > > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH. > > > > > > > > Dasa

and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own sub > of > > > RAH.> > > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.> > > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.> > > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.> > > > > > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.> > > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.> > > > > > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O 12. > > (No > > > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > > > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the signification of > > 7= > > > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.> > > > > > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are

1,2,3,6,10,11 and > Dasa > > > and > > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10 by > > sub), > > > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and > Dasa > > > and > > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9, (7 > by > > > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.> > > > > > > > © End of his name and carrier is under the double-crossed > > > negative > > > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).> > > > > > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa > > > indicates > > > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords in > > > transit > > > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and

Maraka.> > > > > > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR> > > > > > > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.> > > > > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.> > > > > > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.> > > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is in > > the > > > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)> > > > > > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West), Aspen, > > > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49> > > > > > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub of > > SAT. > > > > (Transit RAH in 6)> > > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No planet >

is > > in > > > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8) > > > > > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star of > > > Mercury > > > > and sub of RAH.> > > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > > > > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and sub > of > > > KET.> > > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the star > of > > > > MER and sub of SAT.> > > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.> > > > > > > > © Signification of 1,5,11 in DBAS is not strong enough for > > cure > > > or > > > > survival.> > > > > > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment

which is not shown > in > > > his > > > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it makes > more > > > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta.> > > > > > > >

July 19, 2006

Dear Kanak,

The calculation of Ayanamsa is nothing to do with Rahu, MEAN or TRUE.

Regards,

tw

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win ji,

>

> Yes i read this messgge,

> As Far As i know some roll of RAHU in calculations of

Aynamsha ,I am not sure but i will check my old vedic notebooks.or i

will contect my astro maths Guru and get information.

> If i found somthing i will come back with details.

>

> regards

> Kanak

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

>

> I mean Sanjay Rath's group and " Graham Fox " is a rseponse to

> Msg#50020 as reffered. As you see another response is below.

>

> Re: [vedic astrology] True or Mean Nodes

>

> Whether anyone suggests or not. By charecter Nodes can never go

> forward, hence there is no such thing as True nodes.

> Take mean nodes always

> best wishes

> partha

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > I try to found Sanjay Rath's messgae but cant able.

> > But i found Graham Fox mail.

> > I agree with him we have to check event of a person who pass

> throu DBAS mainly under RAHU and KETU .

> >

> > regards

> > kanak

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Graham Fox "

> > <fox.graham@> wrote:

> >

> > I find the true nodes give better results: there are often

stations

> > or changes of directions of the nodes on key points of the natal

> > chart at crucial moments (eg. death of family members). Also,

Nodes

> > are eclipse factors, and the positions of the true nodes better

> > reflect the actual timing of an eclipse. In addition, one could

> > argue that all the planets have " mean " positions, so why bother

> > observing and calculating precisely where they really are? Why

> > bother with retrograde Mars or Mercury, since their usual

> and " mean "

> > movement is direct? I admit that it's hard to interpret from DCs

> and

> > nakshatra etc which nodes are better: I suggest looking at what

> > happens when the true nodes go stationary or direct, and seeing

if

> > it tallies with key events in someone's life.

> > Best wishes

> > Graham Fox

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Kanak,

> >

> > Pl see Msg#50020 of Vedic-Astrology Group

> > (Sanjay Rath).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > >

> > > realy deffernace in true and mean are mutch some times. it is

> > nessesory to check which one give best result.

> > >

> > > Any one can check this ?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kanak

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Kanak,

> > >

> > > TRUE AND MEAN NODE

> > >

> > > True is the ' exact' position of the Nodes at any given time,

> > while

> > > Mean is the presumed position based on the average speed.

> > >

> > > The Mean Node is always retrograde, whilst the True Node may

> > > occasionally be direct, as if it's wobbling.

> > >

> > > The calculation of Mean is easy and True is complicated.

> > >

> > > The advantage of the 'true' nodes against the mean ones is

that

> > when

> > > the Moon is in exact conjunction with them, it has indeed a

zero

> > > latitude. This is not true with the mean nodes.

> > >

> > > However, this is somewhat illusory, in the strict sense of the

> > word,

> > > even the 'true' nodes are true only twice a month, viz. at the

> > times

> > > when the Moon crosses the ecliptic. Positions given for the

> times

> > in

> > > between those two points are just a hypothesis.. They are

> founded

> > on

> > > the idea that celestial orbits can be approximated by

elliptical

> > > elements. This works well with the planets, but not with the

> Moon,

> > > because its orbit is strongly perturbed by the Sun.

> > >

> > > Some are saying that in Hindu astrology they take the True

> > position

> > > of Nodes.

> > > But it has not been noticed any well known vedic astrologers

> other

> > > than SA followers using True.

> > >

> > > About the Nodes

> > > www.jyotishtools.com/nodes.htm

> > >

> > > The problem with the Mean Node is that most of the time that

> > > calculation is off at the time of an eclipse where as the it

> > > accurate with a True Node. Click here to view a chart that

shows

> > > the nodal positions of Rahu for 2003 in both Mean (in red) and

> > True

> > > (in blue).

> > >

> > > Last year in a Vedic group there was a discussion with example

> > > charts to find out whether the True or Mean or under what

> > conditions

> > > the True or Mean works best. It is open to further research.

> > >

> > > GEOGRAPHIC AND GEOCENTRIC

> > >

> > > Knowingly or unknowingly we are using GEOCENTRIC position

> > > automatically set by default in SWs and it is not an issue.

For

> > > instance, for the given Lay's birth and death data Asc Vi

> 12:26:53

> > > at birth and Asc 10:32:03 at death are GEOCENTRIC positions as

> per

> > > KPAstro 2.5 and after pressing " Use Geocentric Correction " in

> > > setting of KPAstro 2.5, they will become Vi 12:27:26 at birth

> and

> > > 10:23:21 at death, which are GEOGRAPHIC positions.

> > >

> > > It is worthy to note but not to be confused that default

setting

> > > in " astraura " SW is " GEOGRAPHIC " and in Jagnnatha Hora

> GEOCENTRIC

> > > position to give GEOCENTRIC positions. Mrs. Kousalya

> Sattainathan

> > > says in " KP;s Astrology & Prime Ministers " , Krishnamurti

> > > Publications, 2000, page 3, " Geohraphic Latitude has been used

> and

> > > not Geocentric because Gurujui KSK had used Geografic

Latitude. "

> > > Sri Krishnamurti has mentioned the " tan " formula for

conversion

> of

> > > the Geographic Latitude into Geocentric one --- quoted

> > > in " Astrosecrets Part 2 " , 2003, page 307. It does not need to

be

> > > confused with those technical jargons of entering GEOGRAPHIC

and

> > > converting GEOGRAPHIC by SWs and so on. Just to take the one

> > already

> > > given commonly used GEOCENTRIC, otherwise we may get

GEOGRAPHIC

> > > position by changing an undesirable choice of setting, eg

> > GEOCENTRIC

> > > in " astraura " .

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tin Win ji,

> > > > In my KPAstro-RP any how change RAH-KET as true , Now I

change

> > > as mean, In 2.5 is ok with mean RAH-KET.

> > > >

> > > > Any idea about mean and true RAH-KET? why we use mean? in

true

> > > some time RAH-KETU travel in direct ?

> > > >

> > > > I use geocentric correction in both KPAStro 2.5 and KPAstro-

RP.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > kanak

> > > >

> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Kanak,

> > > >

> > > > As mentioned some time ago to one previous member who raised

> > > > Geocentric as a big issue, all reliable SWs use Geocentric

to

> > give

> > > > more accurate result for us living on earth. (Astrsecrets

Part

> > II

> > > > page 304-320 at the end of book)

> > > >

> > > > Here are some misunderstanding:

> > > >

> > > > (a) my typing error of MAR Cn 25:2:58 in place of 25:22:58

and

> > > > 25:22:57 you got is correct and 1 sec difference is a

rounding

> > > > mistake in taking from the moving Animate Chart.

> > > >

> > > > (b) MER is the same.

> > > >

> TRUE.

> > Pl

> > > > change your setting of Rahu/Ketu to MEAN used by KP.

> > > >

> > > > (d) We got the same Asc Ta 10-32-03 automatically given by

> > KPAstro

> > > > 2.5 and it's GEOCENTRIC. If you touch " Use Geocentric

> > Correction " ,

> > > > the result will be different and right now is GEOCENTRIC

> > commonly

> > > > used.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > , Kanak Bosmia

<kanakbosmia@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tin win ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you change Geocentric Correction?

> > > > >

> > > > > At ther time of deth i found

> > > > > Asc.Ta 010:32:03

> > > > >

> > > > > RAH Pi 004:45:10 Ju Sa Sa Ma

> > > > >

> > > > > MAR Cn 025:22:57

> > > > >

> > > > > MER Cn 007:30:13

> > > > >

> > > > > Asc Just pas 8th Cusp and enter in 9th.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > kanak

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Kenneth Lay, Apr 15, 1942, We, 18:00 DST (6 hr West),

> > Tyrone,

> > > > > Missouri, USA, 37N12, 91W52, KPAstro 2.5 ---> New KP

> Ayanamsa

> > > > > 22:57:40, Asc Vir 12:26:53, Moon Ar 06:22:26, Ketu dasa

> > balance

> > > > > 3y:7m:25d, (Mars Ge 00:46:10, Venus Aq 16:04:01, Placidus

> > cusps:

> > > > 5th

> > > > > Cp 15:58:18, 6th Aq 16:12:04, 7th Pi 12:26:53, 9th Ta

> > 10:06:06,

> > > > 10th

> > > > > Ge 13:05:46)

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LayKenneth.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. The running DASA on May 25, 2006, when he was convicted

> of

> > > > > conspiracy and fraud charges is RAH-MAR-SAT-RAH.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dasa and Sookshma lord RAH is in the star of VEN and own

sub

> > of

> > > > RAH.

> > > > > RAH is in 12. VEN is in 5 and Lord of (L/O) 2,9.

> > > > > RAH is aspected by VEN in 5, L/O 2,9.

> > > > > RAH's sign lord (depositor) is Sun in 7, L/O 12.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhukti lord MAR is in its own star of MAR and sub of MER.

> > > > > MAR is in 9, L/O 3,8. MER is in 7, L/O 1,10.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anthra lord SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6, in star of Sun in 7, L/O

> 12.

> > > (No

> > > > > planet is in the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and

8)

> > > > >

> > > > > (a) Criminal proceedings are indicated by the

signification

> of

> > > 7=

> > > > > court procedures, 8= infamy and 12= crimes.

> > > > >

> > > > > (b) In litigation, houses for success are 1,2,3,6,10,11

and

> > Dasa

> > > > and

> > > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 2, Bhukti lord MAR 3, (1, 10

by

> > > sub),

> > > > > Anthra lord SAT 6; houses for failure are 4,5,7,8,9,12 and

> > Dasa

> > > > and

> > > > > Sookshma lord RAH signifies 5,7,9,12, Bhukti lord MAR 8,9,

> (7

> > by

> > > > > sub), Anthra lord SAT 5,7,8,12.

> > > > >

crossed

> > > > negative

> > > > > effect of 1,5,9 (12 to 2,6,10) and 3,5,9 (6,8,12 to 10).

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. On the day of his death July 5, 2006, the running dasa

> > > > indicates

> > > > > all round Badhaka (7) and Maraka (2 and 7) and dasa lords

in

> > > > transit

> > > > > were passing in the stars and subs of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > > >

> > > > > (a)The running dasa on July 5, 2006 is RAH-MAR-MER-MAR

> > > > >

> > > > > Dasa lord RAH as discussed above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR as discussed above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anthra lord MER is in own star of MER and sub of JUP.

> > > > > MER is in 7, L/O 1,10. JUP is in 9, L/O 4,7. (No planet is

> in

> > > the

> > > > > star of JUP and JUP is sublord of 2 and 11)

> > > > >

> > > > > (b) Transit on 5 July 2006 @ 3:11 AM DST (7hr West),

Aspen,

> > > > > Colorado, 39N11, 106W49

> > > > >

> > > > > Dasa lord RAH (Pi 05:19:19) is in the star of SAT and sub

of

> > > SAT.

> > > > > (Transit RAH in 6)

> > > > > SAT is in 8, L/O 5,6 in star of SUN in 7, L/O 12. (No

planet

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > the star of SAT and SAT is sublord of 5 and 8)

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhukti and Sookshma lord MAR (Cn 25:2:58) is in the star

of

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > and sub of RAH.

> > > > > MER and RAH are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anthara lord MER (Cn 07:30:13) is in the star of SAT and

sub

> > of

> > > > KET.

> > > > > SAT is a significator of Badhaka & Maraka. KET is in the

> star

> > of

> > > > > MER and sub of SAT.

> > > > > MER and SAT are significators of Badhaka and Maraka.

> > > > >

for

> > > cure

> > > > or

> > > > > survival.

> > > > >

> > > > > (d) His death saved him from imprisonment which is not

shown

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > natal chart with 12 cuspal sublord SUN not RAH and it

makes

> > more

> > > > > difficult to claim for compensation from his hidden money.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying

<<

> > > > >

> > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail

> Beta.

> > > > >

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