Birth Time Rectification Test

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise.

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit ji,

 

Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose arising

to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

I--INDIRA GANDHI

 

TOBs

 

(1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay

Gupte

 

(2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344

 

(3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, " Predicting with Dasamsa " ,

Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87

 

(4) 11:10 PM IST

http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp

 

(5) 11:11 PM IST

(a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106

(b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95

© K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,

http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm

(d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts

Ver 2.0

(e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi

Astrology, p 112

(f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256

(g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50

(h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml

(i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm

(j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory

(k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, " 41 Ghatis 52 Phals

and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST "

 

(6) 11:15 PM

(a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,

p 94;

(b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through Dasa

and Transit, p 10

 

(7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life, p

365

 

(8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine

 

(9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY & PRIME

MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95

 

 

 

 

AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

 

Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, " 11:11 " PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,

81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance

1y:11m:9d

 

 

 

Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators

Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)

Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)

Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)

Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)

Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)

Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6

NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12

PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11

For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3

 

H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators

1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo

2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su

3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me

4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve

5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma

6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju

7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa

8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa

9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju

10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma

11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve

12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me

 

TIMELINE

28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death

26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM

13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM

18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM

22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM

14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM

23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

 

 

 

 

II—TONY BLAIR

 

TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and

discussed in AstroDatabank forum

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

 

AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

 

Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,

Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56,

Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d

 

Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators

Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1

Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5

Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7

Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6

Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12

Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1

S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11

Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5

Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11

For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11

Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3

N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6

Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5

 

Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators

1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve

2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me

3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me

4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me

7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma

8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju

9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju

10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa

11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa

12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju

 

 

TIMELINE

 

29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the

same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

 

 

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

known birth

> time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person

for whom I

> already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise

is

> practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see

what will be

> the outcome of this exercise.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit ji, Please wiat till Swamiji do retifiction of detail givan by me for our learing purpose then we do this excersice on line what swami ji teach us. to find out some worthy truth. regards kanak Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a

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Dear Punit ji,

 

With a sincere request to Great Swami Omkar ji for BOT rectification

with his 100% correct expertise, the latest information on Blair's timeline is that recently he announced to resign within 12

months.

 

Thanks and regrds,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

> Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose

arising

> to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> I--INDIRA GANDHI

>

> TOBs

>

> (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay

> Gupte

>

> (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344

>

> (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, " Predicting with Dasamsa " ,

> Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87

>

> (4) 11:10 PM IST

> http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp

>

> (5) 11:11 PM IST

> (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106

> (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95

> © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm

> (d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts

> Ver 2.0

> (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi

> Astrology, p 112

> (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256

> (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50

> (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml

> (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm

> (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory

> (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, " 41 Ghatis 52 Phals

> and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST "

>

> (6) 11:15 PM

> (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,

> p 94;

> (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through Dasa

> and Transit, p 10

>

> (7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life, p

> 365

>

> (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine

>

> (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY &

PRIME

> MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95

>

>

>

>

> AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

>

> Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, " 11:11 " PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,

> 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance

> 1y:11m:9d

>

>

>

> Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators

> Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

> Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)

> Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

> Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

> JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)

> Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

> Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)

> Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)

> Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)

> Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6

> NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12

> PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11

> For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3

>

> H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators

> 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo

> 2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su

> 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me

> 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve

> 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma

> 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju

> 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa

> 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa

> 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju

> 10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma

> 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve

> 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me

>

> TIMELINE

> 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death

> 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

> 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

> 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

> 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

> 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

> 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM

> 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM

> 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM

> 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM

> 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM

> 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

> 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

>

>

>

>

> II—TONY BLAIR

>

> TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and

> discussed in AstroDatabank forum

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

>

> AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

>

> Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,

> Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56,

> Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d

>

> Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators

> Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1

> Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5

> Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7

> Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6

> Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12

> Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1

> S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11

> Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5

> Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11

> For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11

> Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3

> N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6

> Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5

>

> Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators

> 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve

> 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me

> 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me

> 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me

> 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma

> 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju

> 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju

> 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa

> 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa

> 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju

>

>

> TIMELINE

>

> 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

> 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the

> same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

>

>

>

>

> , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

> known birth

> > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a

person

> for whom I

> > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of

exercise

> is

> > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see

> what will be

> > the outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

>

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Dear Punit, For this,first, all members of the group should agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or table),or.... what ? Only then a fruitful discussion is possible... Else,in the middle of a discussion the very definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...!

What does the group think ? L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or

is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey

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respected sir, first of all thanks to everybody. ya, i think kanakji's proposal is right. actually it is very necessary to know that what process we should follow. which give us the accurate result. Pl do it as soon as possible. then it will help me to rectify the process. with regards, Abhijit Lahiri. Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Punit ji, Please wiat

till Swamiji do retifiction of detail givan by me for our learing purpose then we do this excersice on line what swami ji teach us. to find out some worthy truth. regards kanak Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote: Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying << Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.

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DEAR MEMBERS!

 

The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual

time should be taken as astrological birth time.

Medical science may take any other parameter for this,

but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing

first time, means he or she have started leading life

independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be

used for the purpose because it could remain attached

for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.

 

A child can survive with attached placenta with its

mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid

for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be

fatal.

 

D K Bhaskar

 

60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I

New Delhi

Mob.: 9910048040

 

 

 

 

 

--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

> Dear Punit,

> For this,first, all members of

> the group should agree upon a common definition of

> what is the exact TOB...the time of the first

> cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is

> first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it

> touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?

> Only then a fruitful discussion is

> possible...

> Else,in the middle of a discussion

> the very definition is likely to become

> debatable...afresh...!

> What does the group think ?

> L.Y.Rao.

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Do you think it would be a good idea to do an

> exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll

> request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I

> already know the correct time. Do you think such

> kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other

> way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the

> outcome of this exercise.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

>

>

>

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It should be the first cry, as most of the modern day cases are C-sections.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Punit, For this,first, all members of the group should agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first seen,or, when

the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or table),or.... what ? Only then a fruitful discussion is possible... Else,in the middle of a discussion the very definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...! What does the group think ? L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:

Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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dear sir

it is a very good idea & a good practice for kp followers. i shall also

give some known birth times.

B.Indira

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known

birth

> time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for

whom I

> already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is

> practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what

will be

> the outcome of this exercise.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

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dear sir

when i was learning traditional astrology my guru told that when the

child takes its first breath[when it cries ] it will be the time of

birth. But we need not worry about it,we will proceed as per kp &

arrive at a correct point.Even if the birth time is not corrected

before then also we will discuss with all & find the correct time of

birth. now let us start.

B.Indira

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Punit,

> For this,first, all members of the group should

agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of

the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first

seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or

table),or.... what ?

> Only then a fruitful discussion is possible...

> Else,in the middle of a discussion the very

definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...!

> What does the group think ?

> L.Y.Rao.

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of

a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such

kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing

RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear bindira2003, OK by me... Give me one birthtime to check among those you know are correct...and let us test Shanmugham's rule... With best wiahes, L.Y.Rao.bindira2003 <bindira2003 wrote: dear sirwhen i was learning traditional astrology my guru told that when the child takes its first breath[when it cries ] it will be the time of birth. But we need not worry about it,we will proceed as per kp & arrive at a correct point.Even if the birth time is not corrected before then also we will discuss with all & find the correct time of birth. now let us start.B.Indira , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Punit,> For this,first, all members of the group should

agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?> Only then a fruitful discussion is possible...> Else,in the middle of a discussion the very definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...!> What does the group think ?> L.Y.Rao.> > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit

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-Dear Group,

I think that recorded birth time can be taken as approximate time

only and correct time has to be arrieved at by horary analysis. There

is no point in discussing about new borne's breathing time or crying

time or part/full delivery time etc. since for the doctors in the

hospital the mother's and the baby's lives are more important than

recording the time. The astrologer does not know which point of time

has been recorded nor he has any control over the systems followed by

the hospitals in this regard. Therefore horary is the only way out

and we all should unanimously decide on RBT theory. Hansraj.-- In

, Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

>

> DEAR MEMBERS!

>

> The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual

> time should be taken as astrological birth time.

> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,

> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing

> first time, means he or she have started leading life

> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be

> used for the purpose because it could remain attached

> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.

>

> A child can survive with attached placenta with its

> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid

> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be

> fatal.

>

> D K Bhaskar

>

> 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I

> New Delhi

> Mob.: 9910048040

>

>

>

>

>

> --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit,

> > For this,first, all members of

> > the group should agree upon a common definition of

> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first

> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is

> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it

> > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?

> > Only then a fruitful discussion is

> > possible...

> > Else,in the middle of a discussion

> > the very definition is likely to become

> > debatable...afresh...!

> > What does the group think ?

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an

> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll

> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I

> > already know the correct time. Do you think such

> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other

> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the

> > outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Here is one.... verified by 3 KP astrologers.

 

(1) July 14, 1968, 7.09.53 AM, Vizag (On traditonal astroscope -

7.10AM)

 

Completed BE October 1989, immediate job.

 

Current location - San Jose, CA, USA from Nov 2005.

 

Parents alive. Dad - Junior College headmaster and Vedic Astrologer.

Mother Housewife.

 

Brothers - 2 - Elder - 3 years - Married - son & daughter, in

Florida, USA. Younger - 2 years - Married - son & daughter in

California, USA.

 

Marriage - June 30, 1999, kids - US Citizens - son - Sep 8, 2001

10.19AM EST, daughter - 01/19/05, 3:00 PM EST.

 

First travel onsite - to HK - July 8, 1994, to USA - Oct, 19, 1994

 

GC - Sep 15, 2000, Citizenship - Sep 16, 2005

 

Surgeries - Cosmetic - Eye laser - Nov 1998, Dental fixup - Dec 1998

 

Health - very healthy, tennis, workouts.... but only loosing hair!

 

(2) Oct 23, 1960 6.30PM, 81E47, 16N59, multiple degrees, marraige

9/87, two daughters (89, 91). Long term US - May 1996 to Jan 2001,

in India now. Working wife, multiple degrees including Phd and Post

Doctorate in US. Parent alive. One elder sister and one younger

brother (US Citizen). 3 jobs - July 1985, next July 1991 and recent

Feb 2006.

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear bindira2003,

> OK by me...

> Give me one birthtime to check among

those you know are correct...and let us test Shanmugham's rule...

> With best wiahes,

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> bindira2003 <bindira2003 wrote:

> dear sir

> when i was learning traditional astrology my guru told that when

the

> child takes its first breath[when it cries ] it will be the time

of

> birth. But we need not worry about it,we will proceed as per kp &

> arrive at a correct point.Even if the birth time is not corrected

> before then also we will discuss with all & find the correct time

of

> birth. now let us start.

> B.Indira

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit,

> > For this,first, all members of the group should

> agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time

of

> the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first

> seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or

> table),or.... what ?

> > Only then a fruitful discussion is possible...

> > Else,in the middle of a discussion the very

> definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...!

> > What does the group think ?

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

> known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time

of

> a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think

such

> kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of

testing

> RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Why first cry, a simple Qn. Late Prof KSK had very clearly indicated that the correct time of birth is the moment when baby is detached from the mother's body.The moment when the baby comes in earth's atmosphere, it receives rays of all heavenly bodies( planets known and unknown too) and that very moment becomes the base of ones destiny. To be so particular about the TOB is not as important as the question if twins are delivered with in the time of same sub lord of Lugna. The topic becomes more complex when, under a open womb surgery, two babies are taken out by the surgon within 1 minutes and to my surprise, the two horoscopes are same to the extent of sub lord ( of course sub-sub lord differs). Our practical experience shows that 100% similarity in twins has never been noticed. Being eager to know more and more, V musdt accept that it is not only the astrology/Horoscopes/Planetary postion that decide the

behaviour of one but also the cultural development the baby is brought up in, in a particular social and or family enviornment. A blind faith is harmful and astro-findings are not out of this purview. Seniors, if any, looking to this note may kindly spare some time to continue the debate.< simple Scholar>ramesh tendulkar <ram_t_1968 wrote: It should be the first cry, as most of the modern day cases are C-sections.Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Punit, For this,first, all members of the group should agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or table),or.... what ? Only then a fruitful discussion is possible... Else,in the middle of a discussion the very

definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...! What does the group think ? L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote: Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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Dear Hansraj, I trust you have read an example of Correcting the TOB,using one of Shanmugham's rule,given by me above,in response to a "challenge of sorts",by our fellow-member Indira B...hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: -Dear Group,I think that recorded birth time can be taken as approximate time only and correct time has to be arrieved at by horary analysis. There is no

point in discussing about new borne's breathing time or crying time or part/full delivery time etc. since for the doctors in the hospital the mother's and the baby's lives are more important than recording the time. The astrologer does not know which point of time has been recorded nor he has any control over the systems followed by the hospitals in this regard. Therefore horary is the only way out and we all should unanimously decide on RBT theory. Hansraj.-- In , Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:>> DEAR MEMBERS!> > The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual> time should be taken as astrological birth time.> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing> first time, means he or she have started leading life>

independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be> used for the purpose because it could remain attached> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be> fatal. > > D K Bhaskar> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I> New Delhi> Mob.: 9910048040> > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > For this,first, all members of> > the group should agree upon a common definition of> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it> > touches the ground(or table),or....

what ?> > Only then a fruitful discussion is> > possible...> > Else,in the middle of a discussion> > the very definition is likely to become> > debatable...afresh...!> > What does the group think ?> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the> > outcome of this exercise. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Hansraj, I trust you have read an example of Correcting the TOB,using one of Shanmugham's rule,given by me above,in response to a "challenge of sorts",by our fellow-member Indira B... As I have submitted long ago,I have tested and found to be workable and correct,all the rules for rectification of TOB,as propounded by him...and that too,in a large number of cases in my pratise of K.P., I have earlier also given examples to prove that the Ascendant sub-lord,and sun-sub-lord, if found to be appearing as the Moon's star-lord and sublord respectively,the TOB arrived at,is

correct to the minute at the least... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: -Dear Group,I think that recorded birth time can be taken as approximate time only and correct time has to be arrieved at by horary analysis. There is no point in discussing about new borne's breathing time or crying time or part/full delivery time etc. since for the doctors in the hospital the mother's and the baby's lives are more important than recording the time. The astrologer does not know which point of time has been recorded nor he has any control over the systems followed by the hospitals in this regard. Therefore horary is the only way out and we all should unanimously decide on RBT theory. Hansraj.-- In , Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:>> DEAR MEMBERS!> > The moment at when a child

breaths first is the actual> time should be taken as astrological birth time.> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing> first time, means he or she have started leading life> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be> used for the purpose because it could remain attached> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be> fatal. > > D K Bhaskar> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I> New Delhi> Mob.: 9910048040> > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > For this,first, all members of> > the group

should agree upon a common definition of> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it> > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?> > Only then a fruitful discussion is> > possible...> > Else,in the middle of a discussion> > the very definition is likely to become> > debatable...afresh...!> > What does the group think ?> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such> > kind of exercise is practical?

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Dear Bhaskar My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth time, and not the time it cries. Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the practice in vouge Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote: DEAR MEMBERS!The moment at when a child breaths first is the actualtime should be taken as astrological birth time.Medical science may take any other parameter

for this,but we know when a newly born baby starts breathingfirst time, means he or she have started leading lifeindependently. Here cutting placenta is also not beused for the purpose because it could remain attachedfor hours unless someone not removes/cut this.A child can survive with attached placenta with itsmother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chidfor its lung to start functioningproperly) may befatal. D K Bhaskar60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. INew DelhiMob.: 9910048040--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> Dear Punit,> For this,first, all members of> the group should agree upon a common definition of> what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it> touches the

ground(or table),or.... what ?> Only then a fruitful discussion is> possible...> Else,in the middle of a discussion> the very definition is likely to become> debatable...afresh...!> What does the group think ?> L.Y.Rao.> > > Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> already know the correct time. Do you think such> kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other> way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the> outcome of this exercise. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > > >

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Dear Raichur ji,

I have already mentioned it that medical science have their own

paramaeters to note the birth time, but actual time of birth rather

say astrological birth time have to be fixed by astrologer, not by

Maternity Homes.

If head of the child comes out and suppose he/she not breath what

nursing home say...? Can a child remains alive if not start breathing

after head is out?

 

Thanks & Regards

DKBhaskar

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar

> My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they

record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth

time, and not the time it cries.

> Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the

practice in vouge

>

>

> Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

> DEAR MEMBERS!

>

> The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual

> time should be taken as astrological birth time.

> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,

> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing

> first time, means he or she have started leading life

> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be

> used for the purpose because it could remain attached

> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.

>

> A child can survive with attached placenta with its

> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid

> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be

> fatal.

>

> D K Bhaskar

>

> 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I

> New Delhi

> Mob.: 9910048040

>

> --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit,

> > For this,first, all members of

> > the group should agree upon a common definition of

> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first

> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is

> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it

> > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?

> > Only then a fruitful discussion is

> > possible...

> > Else,in the middle of a discussion

> > the very definition is likely to become

> > debatable...afresh...!

> > What does the group think ?

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an

> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll

> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I

> > already know the correct time. Do you think such

> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other

> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the

> > outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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In olden times when delivery was done at home, the elders, especially males were not allowed in, and they kept time on hearing the cry of the child. Even today, gents (except the medical staff) are allowed in the labor room. The new born is really born when he takes the first breath, and he immediately cries. So this practice. BUT NOW THE MEDICAL ATTENDENTS, DO NOTE THE TIME, WHEN THE HEAD COMES OUT OF THE WOMB AS THE TOB. good luckscholar Kouts <scholar_kouts1947 wrote: Why first cry,

a simple Qn. Late Prof KSK had very clearly indicated that the correct time of birth is the moment when baby is detached from the mother's body.The moment when the baby comes in earth's atmosphere, it receives rays of all heavenly bodies( planets known and unknown too) and that very moment becomes the base of ones destiny. To be so particular about the TOB is not as important as the question if twins are delivered with in the time of same sub lord of Lugna. The topic becomes more complex when, under a open womb surgery, two babies are taken out by the surgon within 1 minutes and to my surprise, the two horoscopes are same to the extent of sub lord ( of course sub-sub lord differs). Our practical experience shows that 100% similarity in twins has never been noticed. Being eager to know more and more, V musdt accept that it is not only the astrology/Horoscopes/Planetary postion that decide the behaviour of one

but also the cultural development the baby is brought up in, in a particular social and or family enviornment. A blind faith is harmful and astro-findings are not out of this purview. Seniors, if any, looking to this note may kindly spare some time to continue the debate.< simple Scholar>ramesh tendulkar <ram_t_1968 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: It should be the first cry, as most of the modern day cases are C-sections.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Punit, For this,first, all

members of the group should agree upon a common definition of what is the exact TOB...the time of the first cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it touches the ground(or table),or.... what ? Only then a fruitful discussion is possible... Else,in the middle of a discussion the very definition is likely to become debatable...afresh...! What does the group think ? L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote: Dear Friends, Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the outcome of this exercise. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's

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-Dear Shri Rao,

I am not questioning RBT theories of Shanmugam-or for that matter

any other RBT theory. All I am saying is that the hospital recorded

time-can not be taken as correct birth time ( since we do not know

which time-breathing,crying, part/full delivery time etc. )has been

recorded in the hospital and also since astrologers have differing

views on all these times. I therefore say that all recorded times

need to be verified through rectification and correctness of RBT has

to be checked by tallying it with the important life events of the

native. Hansraj. In , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> Dear Hansraj,

> I trust you have read an example of Correcting

the TOB,using one of Shanmugham's rule,given by me above,in response

to a " challenge of sorts " ,by our fellow-member Indira B...

> As I have submitted long ago,I have tested and

found to be workable and correct,all the rules for rectification of

TOB,as propounded by him...and that too,in a large number of cases in

my pratise of K.P.,

> I have earlier also given examples to prove

that the Ascendant sub-lord,and sun-sub-lord, if found to be

appearing as the Moon's star-lord and sublord respectively,the TOB

arrived at,is correct to the minute at the least...

> With best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> hansraj_vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote:

> -Dear Group,

> I think that recorded birth time can be taken as approximate time

> only and correct time has to be arrieved at by horary analysis.

There

> is no point in discussing about new borne's breathing time or

crying

> time or part/full delivery time etc. since for the doctors in the

> hospital the mother's and the baby's lives are more important than

> recording the time. The astrologer does not know which point of

time

> has been recorded nor he has any control over the systems followed

by

> the hospitals in this regard. Therefore horary is the only way out

> and we all should unanimously decide on RBT theory. Hansraj.-- In

> , Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7@> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR MEMBERS!

> >

> > The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual

> > time should be taken as astrological birth time.

> > Medical science may take any other parameter for this,

> > but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing

> > first time, means he or she have started leading life

> > independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be

> > used for the purpose because it could remain attached

> > for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.

> >

> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its

> > mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid

> > for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be

> > fatal.

> >

> > D K Bhaskar

> >

> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I

> > New Delhi

> > Mob.: 9910048040

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Punit,

> > > For this,first, all members of

> > > the group should agree upon a common definition of

> > > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first

> > > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is

> > > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it

> > > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?

> > > Only then a fruitful discussion is

> > > possible...

> > > Else,in the middle of a discussion

> > > the very definition is likely to become

> > > debatable...afresh...!

> > > What does the group think ?

> > > L.Y.Rao.

> > >

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an

> > > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll

> > > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I

> > > already know the correct time. Do you think such

> > > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other

> > > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the

> > > outcome of this exercise.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I agree. Medical TOB is approximate. If we have any fool-proof method to fix the Astrlogical Birth time, we do it and call it ATOB. good luck "Dharmendra Kr. Bhaskar" <kdbhaskar7 wrote: Dear Raichur ji,I have already mentioned it that medical science have their own paramaeters to note the birth time, but actual time of birth rather say astrological birth time have to be fixed by astrologer, not by Maternity Homes.If head of the child comes out and suppose

he/she not breath what nursing home say...? Can a child remains alive if not start breathing after head is out?Thanks & RegardsDKBhaskar , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth time, and not the time it cries.> Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the practice in vouge> > > Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:> DEAR MEMBERS!> > The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual> time should be taken as astrological birth time.> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing> first time,

means he or she have started leading life> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be> used for the purpose because it could remain attached> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be> fatal. > > D K Bhaskar> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I> New Delhi> Mob.: 9910048040> > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > For this,first, all members of> > the group should agree upon a common definition of> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it> > touches the ground(or

table),or.... what ?> > Only then a fruitful discussion is> > possible...> > Else,in the middle of a discussion> > the very definition is likely to become> > debatable...afresh...!> > What does the group think ?> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the> > outcome of this exercise. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >

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Dear Mr.Bhaskar, According to our Guruji,the late KSK,the correct TOB or ATOB,if you please,(a la ARR),is at the exact time of the child's first cry...as it is seen that in 99'9% cases,the child has to 'breathe in' first,before he cries... That was the explanation given to us by Guruji himself...when he taught us K.P. With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: I agree. Medical TOB is approximate. If we have any fool-proof method to fix the Astrlogical Birth time, we do it and call it ATOB. good luck "Dharmendra Kr. Bhaskar" <kdbhaskar7 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Raichur ji,I have already mentioned it that medical science have their own paramaeters to note the birth time, but actual time of birth rather say astrological birth time have to be fixed by astrologer, not by Maternity Homes.If head of the child comes out and suppose he/she not breath what nursing home say...? Can a child remains alive if not start breathing after head is out?Thanks & RegardsDKBhaskar , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth time, and not the time it cries.> Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the practice in vouge> > > Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:> DEAR MEMBERS!> > The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual> time should be taken as astrological birth time.> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing> first time, means he or she have started leading life> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be> used for the purpose because it could remain attached> for hours

unless someone not removes/cut this.> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be> fatal. > > D K Bhaskar> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I> New Delhi> Mob.: 9910048040> > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > For this,first, all members of> > the group should agree upon a common definition of> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it> > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?> > Only then a fruitful discussion is> > possible...> > Else,in the middle of a discussion> > the very definition is

likely to become> > debatable...afresh...!> > What does the group think ?> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the> > outcome of this exercise. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > Answers India >

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Dear TW,

I have done this for Late Smt Indira Gandhi 19-11-1917

23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N).

 

For 23-11 pm as per JH hora software which follows Lahiri, the

Lagna came to 20-30-02, which comes to Makara Navamsa( 20deg- 23deg-

20min).since it is even Navamsa,tha lagna should be below 20-30, by

minor manipulation, the lagna as brought below 20deg 16min 40 sec.

hence the dwadasamsa still remains in Makara, representing a female

sign.Hence this gives a minor correction to 20 deg 9min 55 sec.

 

Please note this is per Lahiris and Jhora.softwareand my

understanding

 

Once you change the ayanamsa,and or coordinates the values will

undergo minor changes.

 

If this is acceptable to you, then Tony Blair's horoscope an be

seen.

Please be advised I am not neither in competition nor dispute

with anyone in the group.Please accept this for what is worth.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

-- In , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

> Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose arising

> to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> I--INDIRA GANDHI

>

> TOBs

>

> (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay

> Gupte

>

> (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344

>

> (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, " Predicting with Dasamsa " ,

> Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87

>

> (4) 11:10 PM IST

> http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp

>

> (5) 11:11 PM IST

> (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106

> (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95

> © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm

> (d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts

> Ver 2.0

> (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi

> Astrology, p 112

> (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256

> (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50

> (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml

> (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm

> (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory

> (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, " 41 Ghatis 52 Phals

> and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST "

>

> (6) 11:15 PM

> (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,

> p 94;

> (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through Dasa

> and Transit, p 10

>

> (7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life, p

> 365

>

> (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine

>

> (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY & PRIME

> MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95

>

>

>

>

> AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

>

> Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, " 11:11 " PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,

> 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance

> 1y:11m:9d

>

>

>

> Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators

> Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

> Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)

> Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

> Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

> JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)

> Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

> Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)

> Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)

> Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)

> Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6

> NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12

> PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11

> For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3

>

> H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators

> 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo

> 2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su

> 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me

> 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve

> 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma

> 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju

> 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa

> 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa

> 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju

> 10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma

> 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve

> 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me

>

> TIMELINE

> 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death

> 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

> 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

> 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

> 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

> 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

> 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM

> 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM

> 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM

> 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM

> 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM

> 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

> 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

>

>

>

>

> II—TONY BLAIR

>

> TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and

> discussed in AstroDatabank forum

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

>

> AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

>

> Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,

> Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56,

> Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d

>

> Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators

> Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1

> Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5

> Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7

> Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6

> Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12

> Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1

> S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11

> Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5

> Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11

> For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11

> Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3

> N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6

> Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5

>

> Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators

> 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve

> 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me

> 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me

> 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me

> 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma

> 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju

> 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju

> 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa

> 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa

> 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju

>

>

> TIMELINE

>

> 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

> 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the

> same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

>

>

>

>

> , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

> known birth

> > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person

> for whom I

> > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise

> is

> > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see

> what will be

> > the outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Raichur,

 

That is the time Shri M.P. Shanmugam said in his Astrosecrets & KP,

Part 1, page 289 as below.

 

" Birth chart is also importance, but it should have been calculated

to the correct birth time, of the child. Some deliveries are painful

or complicated and so on. Whatever they may be the time, the head of

the child is observed, it is enough to be taken as bith time-

because the oxygen enters through nose, and immediately the heart

beat starts. At that very time, the dasa/bhukti starts operating. "

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar

> My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they

record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth

time, and not the time it cries.

> Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the

practice in vouge

>

>

> Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

> DEAR MEMBERS!

>

> The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual

> time should be taken as astrological birth time.

> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,

> but we know when a newly born baby starts breathing

> first time, means he or she have started leading life

> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be

> used for the purpose because it could remain attached

> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.

>

> A child can survive with attached placenta with its

> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid

> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be

> fatal.

>

> D K Bhaskar

>

> 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I

> New Delhi

> Mob.: 9910048040

>

> --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit,

> > For this,first, all members of

> > the group should agree upon a common definition of

> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first

> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is

> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it

> > touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?

> > Only then a fruitful discussion is

> > possible...

> > Else,in the middle of a discussion

> > the very definition is likely to become

> > debatable...afresh...!

> > What does the group think ?

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an

> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll

> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I

> > already know the correct time. Do you think such

> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other

> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the

> > outcome of this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Find out what India is talking about on -

> > Answers India

> > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from

> > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

>

>

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Dear R Satish,

 

1. Thank you very much for showing the practical application other

than just talking without showing the method for study.

 

2. However, a clarification is need because for Late Smt Indira

Gandhi 19-11-1917, 23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N), both

Swiss ephemeris using GH and KPAstro give same positions of Asc and

it is found that the location of Asc is the same in D-9, D-12 and

also finer D-24 and D-60 whether TOB 23-10 or 23-11 using Lahiri or

New KPA.

 

GH --->

 

TOB 23-10 pm, Sid Time 03-00-06

 

Lahiri 22-42-54.40 --> Asc Cn 27-09-11.22

 

New KPA 22-37-14 --> Asc 27-14-51.62

 

 

TOB 23-11 pm, Sid Time 03-01-06

 

Lahiri 22-42-54.40 --> Asc Cn 27-22-20.41

 

New KPA 22-37-14 --> Asc 27-28-00.84

 

In all above four calculations, Asc is located in Pi of D-9, Ta of D-

12, Ar of D-24 and Cp of D-60.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " R Satish " <rsatish1942

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear TW,

> I have done this for Late Smt Indira Gandhi 19-11-1917

> 23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N).

>

> For 23-11 pm as per JH hora software which follows Lahiri, the

> Lagna came to 20-30-02, which comes to Makara Navamsa( 20deg-

23deg-

> 20min).since it is even Navamsa,tha lagna should be below 20-30,

by

> minor manipulation, the lagna as brought below 20deg 16min 40 sec.

> hence the dwadasamsa still remains in Makara, representing a

female

> sign.Hence this gives a minor correction to 20 deg 9min 55 sec.

>

> Please note this is per Lahiris and Jhora.softwareand my

> understanding

>

> Once you change the ayanamsa,and or coordinates the values will

> undergo minor changes.

>

> If this is acceptable to you, then Tony Blair's horoscope an be

> seen.

> Please be advised I am not neither in competition nor dispute

> with anyone in the group.Please accept this for what is worth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> -- In , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> > Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose

arising

> > to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> > I--INDIRA GANDHI

> >

> > TOBs

> >

> > (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b)

Pranay

> > Gupte

> >

> > (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 &

344

> >

> > (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, " Predicting with Dasamsa " ,

> > Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87

> >

> > (4) 11:10 PM IST

> > http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp

> >

> > (5) 11:11 PM IST

> > (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106

> > (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95

> > © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,

> > http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm

> > (d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts

> > Ver 2.0

> > (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi

> > Astrology, p 112

> > (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256

> > (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50

> > (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml

> > (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm

> > (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory

> > (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, " 41 Ghatis 52

Phals

> > and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST "

> >

> > (6) 11:15 PM

> > (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,

> > p 94;

> > (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through

Dasa

> > and Transit, p 10

> >

> > (7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on

Life, p

> > 365

> >

> > (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine

> >

> > (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY &

PRIME

> > MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

> >

> > Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, " 11:11 " PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,

> > 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance

> > 1y:11m:9d

> >

> >

> >

> > Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators

> > Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

> > Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)

> > Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

> > Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

> > JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)

> > Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

> > Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)

> > Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)

> > Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)

> > Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6

> > NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12

> > PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11

> > For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3

> >

> > H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators

> > 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo

> > 2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su

> > 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me

> > 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve

> > 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma

> > 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju

> > 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa

> > 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa

> > 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju

> > 10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma

> > 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve

> > 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me

> >

> > TIMELINE

> > 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death

> > 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

> > 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

> > 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

> > 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

> > 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

> > 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM

> > 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM

> > 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM

> > 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM

> > 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM

> > 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

> > 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > II—TONY BLAIR

> >

> > TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and

> > discussed in AstroDatabank forum

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

> >

> > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

> >

> > Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,

> > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA

23:06:56,

> > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d

> >

> > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators

> > Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1

> > Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5

> > Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7

> > Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6

> > Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12

> > Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1

> > S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11

> > Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5

> > Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11

> > For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11

> > Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3

> > N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6

> > Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5

> >

> > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators

> > 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve

> > 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me

> > 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me

> > 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> > 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> > 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me

> > 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma

> > 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju

> > 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju

> > 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa

> > 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa

> > 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju

> >

> >

> > TIMELINE

> >

> > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for

PM

> > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at

the

> > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

> > known birth

> > > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a

person

> > for whom I

> > > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of

exercise

> > is

> > > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us

see

> > what will be

> > > the outcome of this exercise.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> >

>