Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Dear list, Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are including 12 cusp because of foreign land. My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? thanks Dev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.dmathur108 <dmathur108 wrote: Dear list,Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we areincluding 12 cusp because of foreign land.My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are thesignificators? Do we still include 12th cusp?thanksDev.Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. becoz 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for overseas trip. 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil give exact truth. Swami OmkarRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.dmathur108 <dmathur108 > wrote: Dear list,Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we areincluding 12 cusp because of foreign land.My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are thesignificators? Do we still include 12th cusp?thanksDev.Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thank you,If i understood correctly the significators are 4,7,9 for a short visit (leisure) to homeland.Please correct me if I am wrong.Dev,Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.dmathur108 <dmathur108 > wrote: Dear list,Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we areincluding 12 cusp because of foreign land.My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are thesignificators? Do we still include 12th cusp?thanksDev.Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Msg#2630/2631 may help. , " dmathur108 " <dmathur108 wrote: > > Dear list, > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > thanks > Dev. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact truth " ? Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. becoz 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for overseas trip. > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil give exact truth. > > Swami Omkar > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > dmathur108 <dmathur108 wrote: Dear list, > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > thanks > Dev. Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 My Dear Twji, As per KP system, the natal horoscope or horary it wil be not same. each and every horoscope is unique. then where to do statistical report. if people are doing after knowing that horoscope are unique then it's little bit out of way in research. if your not beliving my posting then good. if u asking proof or statistical repost i am not the right person!. I am having curiosity that ....while studying KP system you asked that 249 is true? or there is any statistical report? for KP system. or you asked any astrologer that what is the authentication for vimchothari dasa. ? if my word "exact truth" in posting... made u to ask this type of Question then....i am sorry...becoz i always having confidence in my anaysis and i always try to tell truth.Swami Omkar Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is as per the rationale below. 3 change of residence 9 long journey, foreign travel 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from family, leaving kith and kin 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as you are saying. 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home country from foreign land is below. 3 change of residence 9 long journey, foreign travel 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > truth " ? > > Regards, > > tw > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote: > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. becoz > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > overseas trip. > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil give > exact truth. > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > thanks > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Dear Friends, If we consider the fact that a person has migratwed for long stay abroad, we consider 3,9, 12 houses for this. Since he/she has been staying for long time, we should now consider 12th house as Lagna(revised), decide on 3, 9, 12 from this new position to consider remigration to native land.This works out to 2, 8,11.houses. Casual visits need a different treatment I feel. I have only one doubt,should the coordinates of the place, should it be of of original birth place or the present place of residence.Does relocational astrology comes into play.If so the knowledgeable may advise. Regards, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is as > per the rationale below. > > 3 change of residence > 9 long journey, foreign travel > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > family, leaving kith and kin > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as you > are saying. > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > country from foreign land is below. > > 3 change of residence > 9 long journey, foreign travel > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > Regards, > > tw > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > truth " ? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > becoz > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > overseas trip. > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > give > > exact truth. > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > house, > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > visit, > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > thanks > > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > > Raichur A R > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Sir TW Ji Tahnks for deatils. Kindly enligthen me on which houses are to taken for and to whiuch reference in your point 2. Reards c.k. anandtw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Swami Omkar ji,1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is as per the rationale below.3 change of residence9 long journey, foreign travel12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from family, leaving kith and kin2. But it is not taken as "3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10" as you are saying.3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4).4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home country from foreign land is below.3 change of residence9 long journey, foreign travel11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) Regards,tw , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > On which ground of statistical research are you telling "exact > truth"?> > Regards,> > tw> > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > wrote:> >> > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. becoz > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > overseas trip.> > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil give > exact truth.> > > > Swami Omkar> > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th house, > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a visit, > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.> > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list,> > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are> > including 12 cusp because of foreign land.> > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the> > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp?> > > > thanks> > Dev.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > Raichur A R> > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW> >> All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Swami Omkar ji, 1. It's a pity that you don't know that KP is praised by even critics for being developed on the basis of Guruji KSK's intensive research work and its rules of house grouping can be applied and tested for any chart. 2. This is the only way to test how the rules are working. Of course no rule is working in 100% charts. If it works says in over 75-80% charts, it is applicable. 3. That is why there is no rule to be " exact truth " which looks like a joke you are saying whiout any practical test. KP is not developed in the haven or by imigination as you are saying. 4. You can give whatever view you like, to believe or not is up to the members. But please do not use the KP name if it is not KP. 5. In this case what you are saying is not KP. Regards, tw , swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: > > My Dear Twji, > > As per KP system, the natal horoscope or horary it wil be not same. each and every horoscope is unique. then where to do statistical report. if people are doing after knowing that horoscope are unique then it's little bit out of way in research. if your not beliving my posting then good. if u asking proof or statistical repost i am not the right person!. > > I am having curiosity that ....while studying KP system you asked that 249 is true? or there is any statistical report? for KP system. or you asked any astrologer that what is the authentication for vimchothari dasa. ? > > if my word " exact truth " in posting... made u to ask this type of Question then....i am sorry...becoz i always having confidence in my anaysis and i always try to tell truth. > > > Swami Omkar > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Anand, Point 2 " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " is Swami Omkar ji's imagination and not KP, no KP reference. Regards, tw , anand karadikar <anand_karandikar2001 wrote: > > Dear Sir TW Ji > Tahnks for deatils. Kindly enligthen me on which houses are to taken for and to whiuch reference in your point 2. > > Reards > c.k. anand > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is as > per the rationale below. > > 3 change of residence > 9 long journey, foreign travel > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > family, leaving kith and kin > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as you > are saying. > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > country from foreign land is below. > > 3 change of residence > 9 long journey, foreign travel > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > Regards, > > tw > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > truth " ? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the same > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > becoz > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > overseas trip. > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > give > > exact truth. > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > house, > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > visit, > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we are > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > thanks > > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > > Raichur A R > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tw Ji, If we take 1,4,10 houses and 12th house there from are 12,3,9. These 3,9,12 houses are detrimental houses of 1,4,10. In my opinion, 12th house is called also as Vyaya (losses is nothing but 12th Bhava) Bhava too. Having said that, I did not understand why you wrote: Swami Ji saying 3,9,12 is vyaya bhava for 1,4,10 is not correct ? and not a KP ? Please correct and educate me if my above understanding is not correct ? Regards Raghunatha Rao , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Anand, > > Point 2 " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " is Swami Omkar ji's > imagination and not KP, no KP reference. > > Regards, > > tw > > > , anand karadikar > <anand_karandikar2001@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir TW Ji > > Tahnks for deatils. Kindly enligthen me on which houses are to > taken for and to whiuch reference in your point 2. > > > > Reards > > c.k. anand > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is > as > > per the rationale below. > > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > > family, leaving kith and kin > > > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as > you > > are saying. > > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a > change > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). > > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > country from foreign land is below. > > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives > > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > > truth " ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > same > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > becoz > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > overseas trip. > > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > give > > > exact truth. > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > house, > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > visit, > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we > are > > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > > > Raichur A R > > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Raghunatha Rao, KP 3,9,12 house grouping is based on the rationale below. It is not taken from 12 to 1,4,10. That is why I say it is KP to take the KP main 3,9,12 from 1,4,10. Regards, tw 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is as > > per the rationale below. > > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from family, leaving kith and kin , " Raghunatha Rao Nemani " <raon1008 wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Tw Ji, > > If we take 1,4,10 houses and 12th house there from are 12,3,9. > These 3,9,12 houses are detrimental houses of 1,4,10. In my opinion, > 12th house is called also as Vyaya (losses is nothing but 12th > Bhava) Bhava too. Having said that, I did not understand why you > wrote: Swami Ji saying 3,9,12 is vyaya bhava for 1,4,10 is not > correct ? and not a KP ? > > Please correct and educate me if my above understanding is not > correct ? > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anand, > > > > Point 2 " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " is Swami Omkar ji's > > imagination and not KP, no KP reference. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , anand karadikar > > <anand_karandikar2001@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir TW Ji > > > Tahnks for deatils. Kindly enligthen me on which houses are to > > taken for and to whiuch reference in your point 2. > > > > > > Reards > > > c.k. anand > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 > is > > as > > > per the rationale below. > > > > > > 3 change of residence > > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation > from > > > family, leaving kith and kin > > > > > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as > > you > > > are saying. > > > > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , > which > > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a > > change > > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). > > > > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > > country from foreign land is below. > > > > > > 3 change of residence > > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives > > > > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > > > truth " ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > > same > > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > > becoz > > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > > overseas trip. > > > > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > > give > > > > exact truth. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > > house, > > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > > visit, > > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here > we > > are > > > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > > > > Raichur A R > > > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > India > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > > things done faster. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear All, 1. Going abroad and settling abroad are not the same as shown by a study in the file section of this group under FOREIGN SETTLEMENT.doc , A SURVEY OF 100 CHARTS. 2. After settling abroad for a long time say 10 years, one's residence may be assumed the place where one has settled. Leaving this residence 3, going abroad or long distance travel 9 in traveling back to the mother land are assumed the same as going abroad from the mother land but " meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives 11 " is assumed to take in place of " separation from family, leaving kith and kin 12 " . This house grouping 3,9,11 is one rationale which is found more valid in a small study of 20 charts. (Msg# 2630) 3. Another rationale is taking 2,8,11 ie. 12 to 3,9,12 in traveling back to the mother land. This house grouping is found not so valid in a small study of 20 charts. This grouping is also taken as a stay in motherland, not going abroad, since 2,8,11 is detrimental, 12 to 3,9,12. 4. Another issue is whether Prarabdh/ inherent promises in birth chart/ birth potential can be changed by relocation as given in a review of Msg#8220. It is open to further research study. Regards, tw , " R Satish " <rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > If we consider the fact that a person has migratwed for > long stay abroad, we consider 3,9, 12 houses for this. > > Since he/she has been staying for long time, we should > now consider 12th house as Lagna(revised), decide on 3, 9, 12 from > this new position to consider remigration to native land.This works > out to 2, 8,11.houses. Casual visits need a different treatment I > feel. > I have only one doubt,should the coordinates of the > place, should it be of of original birth place or the present place > of residence.Does relocational astrology comes into play.If so the > knowledgeable may advise. > > Regards, > > Satish , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is > as > > per the rationale below. > > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > > family, leaving kith and kin > > > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as you > > are saying. > > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4). > > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > country from foreign land is below. > > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel > > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives > > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji, > > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > > truth " ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > same > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > becoz > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > overseas trip. > > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > give > > > exact truth. > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > house, > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > visit, > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list, > > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we > are > > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land. > > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the > > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck > > > > Raichur A R > > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear tw853, Allow me to add... On page 11,"Further Lights On Nakshatra Chintamani",by Shri Chandrakant Bhatt,(Book II),it is mentioned that for Overseas travel,s/of of XII should signify houses XII,III & IX... while, for Stay in Homeland,the s/l of the XII should signify,XI,VIII & II.... The above is for the information of our K.P. group... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! tw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, 4 October, 2006 6:10:22 PM Re: travel to motherland Dear Raghunatha Rao,KP 3,9,12 house grouping is based on the rationale below. It is not taken from 12 to 1,4,10. That is why I say it is KP to take the KP main 3,9,12 from 1,4,10.Regards,tw1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12is as> > per the rationale below.> >> > 3 change of residence> > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separationfrom family, leaving kith and kin@gro ups.com, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani" <raon1008@.. .> wrote:>> Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Tw Ji,> > If we take 1,4,10 houses and 12th house there from are 12,3,9. > These 3,9,12 houses are detrimental houses of 1,4,10. In my opinion, > 12th house is called also as Vyaya (losses is nothing but 12th > Bhava) Bhava too. Having said that, I did not understand why you > wrote: Swami Ji saying 3,9,12 is vyaya bhava for 1,4,10 is not > correct ? and not a KP ?> > Please correct and educate me if my above understanding is not > correct ?> > Regards> Raghunatha Rao> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Anand,> > > > Point 2 "3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10" is Swami Omkar ji's > > imagination and not KP, no KP reference. > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, anand karadikar > > <anand_karandikar20 01@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir TW Ji> > > Tahnks for deatils. Kindly enligthen me on which houses are to > > taken for and to whiuch reference in your point 2. > > > > > > Reards> > > c.k. anand> > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 > is > > as > > > per the rationale below.> > > > > > 3 change of residence> > > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation > from > > > family, leaving kith and kin> > > > > > 2. But it is not taken as "3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10" as > > you > > > are saying.> > > > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , > which > > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a > > change > > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4).> > > > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > > country from foreign land is below.> > > > > > 3 change of residence> > > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives> > > > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling "exact > > > > truth"?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, swami omkar <swamiomkar@ > > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > > same > > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > > becoz > > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > > overseas trip.> > > > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > > give > > > > exact truth.> > > > > > > > > > Swami Omkar> > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > > house, > > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > > visit, > > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.> > > > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@ > wrote: Dear list,> > > > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here > we > > are> > > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land.> > > > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the> > > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp?> > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > Dev.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > > > > Raichur A R> > > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > > Talk is cheap. 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Twji, i agree that i am big "imagination" person. in my astro practice i apply the new rules and i get feed back from the native. i know ,that rule works or not. again and again i told that i am not forceing any one to take my rule is good. i wil use words like "exact ruth" or 100% truth....that's diffent...if that's wrong then modurator will tell..! becoz i belive i have freedom to use words. As per your statstical report - you checked 100 charts and finalized that KP rules working....this looks strange! 100 chart is the authority to prove a rule?. if the rules fails in hundreden first chart then what people will do? i don't know. as per a very basic student in KP astrology i want to ask a Q.... why we are taking 3 as short journy? 9th as long journy...and 12 as new environment? pls prove that...! and even i will give a chart and you tell in which time that native gone overses.... this is not for checking your knowlege...this will help students like me...and i can also change my imaginationa dn i can also come as per statistical rules.! Swami Omkar Dear All,1. Going abroad and settling abroad are not the same as shown by a study in the file section of this group under FOREIGN SETTLEMENT.doc , A SURVEY OF 100 CHARTS.2. After settling abroad for a long time say 10 years, one's residence may be assumed the place where one has settled. Leaving this residence 3, going abroad or long distance travel 9 in traveling back to the mother land are assumed the same as going abroad from the mother land but "meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives 11" is assumed to take in place of "separation from family, leaving kith and kin 12". This house grouping 3,9,11 is one rationale which is found more valid in a small study of 20 charts. (Msg# 2630) 3. Another rationale is taking 2,8,11 ie. 12 to 3,9,12 in traveling back to the mother land. This house grouping is found not so valid in a small study of 20 charts. This grouping is also taken as a stay in motherland, not going abroad, since 2,8,11 is detrimental, 12 to 3,9,12.4. Another issue is whether Prarabdh/ inherent promises in birth chart/ birth potential can be changed by relocation as given in a review of Msg#8220. It is open to further research study. Regards,tw , "R Satish" <rsatish1942 wrote:>> > > Dear Friends,> > If we consider the fact that a person has migratwed for > long stay abroad, we consider 3,9, 12 houses for this.> > Since he/she has been staying for long time, we should > now consider 12th house as Lagna(revised), decide on 3, 9, 12 from > this new position to consider remigration to native land.This works > out to 2, 8,11.houses. Casual visits need a different treatment I > feel.> I have only one doubt,should the coordinates of the > place, should it be of of original birth place or the present place > of residence.Does relocational astrology comes into play.If so the > knowledgeable may advise.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is > as > > per the rationale below.> > > > 3 change of residence> > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > > family, leaving kith and kin> > > > 2. But it is not taken as "3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10" as you > > are saying.> > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4).> > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > country from foreign land is below.> > > > 3 change of residence> > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives> > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling "exact > > > truth"?> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > same > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > becoz > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > overseas trip.> > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > give > > > exact truth.> > > > > > > > Swami Omkar> > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > house, > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > visit, > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4.> > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list,> > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we > are> > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land.> > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the> > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp?> > > > > > > > thanks> > > > Dev.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > > > Raichur A R> > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > Version 8. 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear Satish, 1. If you exactly tell me any foul play out of issue, I'm ready to say very sorry for that. 2. But plesae remember what I've clearly mentioned before that if KP is hurt it will be properly responded whithout caring whoever it may be. 3. BWTW I'm wondering how come " Swami Omkar, a young man of 35 or so " was questioning the tone of Kanak's original English which is poor for some personal reason in the other KP research group. Regards, tw Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:58:06 -0000 " R Satish " <rsatish1942 " tw853 " <tw853 Re: travel to motherland Dear TW, Just a thought!! My old Boss used to say to me you do not have to be right and rude at the same time.You are very rough with Swami Omkar, a young man of 35 or so. Regards, Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Tw ji, Swami Omkar ji and Friends, I am afraid that this thread is becoming a little personal. As everyone is already laid out his facts, I request everybody to stop discussing this thread and move on. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 10/4/06, swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Dear Twji, i agree that i am big " imagination " person. in my astro practice i apply the new rules and i get feed back from the native. i know ,that rule works or not. again and again i told that i am not forceing any one to take my rule is good. i wil use words like " exact ruth " or 100% truth....that's diffent...if that's wrong then modurator will tell..! becoz i belive i have freedom to use words. As per your statstical report - you checked 100 charts and finalized that KP rules working....this looks strange! 100 chart is the authority to prove a rule?. if the rules fails in hundreden first chart then what people will do? i don't know. as per a very basic student in KP astrology i want to ask a Q.... why we are taking 3 as short journy? 9th as long journy...and 12 as new environment? pls prove that...! and even i will give a chart and you tell in which time that native gone overses.... this is not for checking your knowlege...this will help students like me...and i can also change my imaginationa dn i can also come as per statistical rules.! Swami Omkar Dear All,1. Going abroad and settling abroad are not the same as shown by a study in the file section of this group under FOREIGN SETTLEMENT.doc , A SURVEY OF 100 CHARTS.2. After settling abroad for a long time say 10 years, one's residence may be assumed the place where one has settled. Leaving this residence 3, going abroad or long distance travel 9 in traveling back to the mother land are assumed the same as going abroad from the mother land but " meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives 11 " is assumed to take in place of " separation from family, leaving kith and kin 12 " . This house grouping 3,9,11 is one rationale which is found more valid in a small study of 20 charts. (Msg# 2630) 3. Another rationale is taking 2,8,11 ie. 12 to 3,9,12 in traveling back to the mother land. This house grouping is found not so valid in a small study of 20 charts. This grouping is also taken as a stay in motherland, not going abroad, since 2,8,11 is detrimental, 12 to 3,9,12.4. Another issue is whether Prarabdh/ inherent promises in birth chart/ birth potential can be changed by relocation as given in a review of Msg#8220. It is open to further research study. Regards,tw , " R Satish " <rsatish1942 wrote:>> > > Dear Friends,> > If we consider the fact that a person has migratwed for > long stay abroad, we consider 3,9, 12 houses for this. > > Since he/she has been staying for long time, we should > now consider 12th house as Lagna(revised), decide on 3, 9, 12 from > this new position to consider remigration to native land.This works > out to 2, 8,11.houses. Casual visits need a different treatment I > feel.> I have only one doubt,should the coordinates of the > place, should it be of of original birth place or the present place > of residence.Does relocational astrology comes into play.If so the > knowledgeable may advise.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:> > > > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > 1. Needless to say the KP foreign travel rule of houses 3,9,12 is > as > > per the rationale below.> > > > 3 change of residence > > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > 12 life in a foreign place or new environment and separation from > > family, leaving kith and kin> > > > 2. But it is not taken as " 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 " as you > > are saying.> > > > 3. 1 & 10 have no rationale for returning to home country from > > foreign land. 4 permanent residence and anything on earth , which > > are of immovable nature is covered under this house 4 (not a change > > one or dropped dead). To leave 4 is 3 (12 to 4).> > > > 4. The rationale of taking houses 3,9,11 for returning to home > > country from foreign land is below.> > > > 3 change of residence> > 9 long journey, foreign travel> > 11 meeting one's own kith and kin, reunion of relatives> > > > 5. A small study has supported the above rationale. (Msg# 2630) > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Swami Omkar ji,> > > > > > On which ground of statistical research are you telling " exact > > > truth " ?> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > , swami omkar <swamiomkar@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Forign travel means 3,9,12 and 12 is the main house. at the > same > > > time. retrun back to home land means 1,4,10. main house is 12. > > becoz > > > 3,9,12 is vyaya bahva for 1,4,10 that's why we are taking for > > > overseas trip.> > > > > > > > 1(You) and 4(Home) 10 (status or identity). this houses wil > > give > > > exact truth.> > > > > > > > Swami Omkar> > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > Home Land is the country you are born in. If you are > > > checking return to home land, then instead of 12 take the 7th > > house, > > > 9th (long travel), and 3 change of residence. If it is only a > > visit, > > > without shifting of residence, you need take 3, but take 4. > > > > > > > > dmathur108 <dmathur108@> wrote: Dear list,> > > > > > > > Significators for travel abroad are normally 3 ,9,12 .Here we > are > > > > including 12 cusp because of foreign land.> > > > > > > > My question is about making a visit to homeland, what are the> > > > significators? Do we still include 12th cusp? > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > Dev.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > > > Raichur A R> > > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > Version 8. 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