Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Dear Rohini, Shri A.K.Kaul has always been saying that astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are duping people but now he means that astrology is after all valid when his following satement says that he made correct astrological predictions : I had been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra Saraswati himself! Any person will automatically think that he just made some gtuess-work, ie.shot in the dark and it came correct. The sponsors requested the Jagadguru H.H.Swami Jayendra Saraswatiji to hand over the prize, as he was in Delhi at that time. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 10/15/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved [VRI] Cc: hinducalendar , indian_astrology_group_daily_digest Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:01 AM  Dear Shri Rohini Ranjan, Jai Shri Ram! < Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to someone else who is using your identity and name ...> " jyotirved " is my email id. My full name is Avtar krishen Kaul. I was born in Srinagar, Kashmir, and have been living  in Delhi for quite some time now. <It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or do not manage to do!> As you must have observed from some of my posts, my main, rather the only, grouse against " Vedic astrology " is that  it has rent us asunder from the real Vedic culture/ethos by " advising us " either directly or indirectly, to believe in Stars and non-existent rashi divisions or Mangal, Shani etc. inanimate planets. On top of it, it has made us forget Udagayana etc. four cardinal points of the phenomenon of seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve Vedic months, with the result that we  celebrate a non-existent Makar Sankranti--- some " Vedic astrologers " want us to celebrate Lahiri Makar Sankranti, others want us to celebrate Ramana Makar Sankranti, still others a Muladhara Makara Sankranti, and still others Fagan Makar Sankranti and till others Raivatapaksha Makar Sankranti and so on. Same is the case with all the other Sankrantis! As on date, our " sankrantis " have been advanced by 24 days. After a few centuries, they will get advanced by at least one month and a time may come, when we will celebrate thess so called nirayana  Makar Sankrantis on the day of Dakshinayana! This has resulted in all the festivals like navaratras, dipavali, holi, dashahra etc. etc. and the muhurtas also having become topsy-turvy! These days we are celebrating Rama-Navmi (the janma tithi of Bhagwan Ram) not in the month of Madhu, but Madhava! Vasanti Navratras start when the first month of Vasanta Ritu i.e. Madhu is already over. There are several other similar anachronisms! It may appear from the above para that I am advocating a so called Sayana Rashichakra for our festivals and fairs. Initially, I had gained an impression that the Vedas are talking of a so called Sayana zodiac, but in spite of my best efforts and in spite of my going through all the four Vedas and the Vedangas assiduously with a tooth comb, I could not find Any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis nor Mangal, Shani etc. planets there! Even if we concede the point for the sake of argument that some people have " visualized " Mesha etc. Rashis through their tapasya or parokshya knowledge in some of the Vedas, it is common knowledge that festivals and fairs and muhurtas being down to earth geographical phenomena are not calculated through parokshya knowledge, least of all are horoscopes prepared from any parokshya knowledge! For that purpose we need data from JPL/NASA, and not parokshya-walas. Then about parokshya knowledge, nobody is sure whether he/she visualized the so called Sayana Rashis or the so called nirayana rashis through their tapasya etc.  in the Vedas, because different people make different types of claims! Then again, if the parokshyawalas visualized nirayana rashis, it is again a moot point as to what their ayanamsha is---Lahiri or Raman or Muladhara etc. etc.---- and why! If we go by the Puranas, it will be clear from a document " BVB6 " , which I am posting separately that all of them have advocated a so called Sayana Rashichakra for our festivals and muhurtas and not any Lahiri or Ramana etc. rashichakra, which means that we are celebrating all the festivals not only against the Vedic canons but even against the Pauranic lore! All in the name of “Vedic astrologyâ€! < I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all during your testing. Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience?> Regarding my personal experiences about jyotisha, my maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century. He used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! To the best of my knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! But that does not mean that Grahalaghava is one of the most accurate karana-granthas! It is actually the most inaccurate --- as inaccurate as the Surya Sidhanta---astronom ical work and is the main culprit for spreading the so called nirayana mayhem in India! I have been personally to Brighu Samhita walas in Jullundur and Dasuva in Punjab; Aruna Samhita-wala in Delhi and have attended quite a few jyotisha sammelans.  The predictions of Brighu and Aruna etc. Samhitas were anything but correct! It was all a guess work in the name of Maharshi Brighu and Aruna the charioteer of Surya Bhagwan! So the less said about them the better! Same was the case about bhavishyavanis of other jyotishis--- to whom I had been " incognito "  Their predictions were fifty-fifty! !  I had been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra Saraswati himself! But my predictions having proved correct in no way means that phalita jyotisha is a science or it is approved by shastras! <Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too many details in your first post to us.> I admire the courage of the moderator/owner of this ()  forum, who is allowing such “blasphemous†posts to appear in a “jyotihsgroupâ€. If you want a complete picture I would suggest you to join http://groups. / group/hinducalen dar  I may mention here that I am just a learner---a student---and do keep on changing my views, if they are proved to be incongruent with astronomical or shastraic facts. Posts to that forum are not moderated and whatever contrarian views are posted there, they are thoroughly evaluated and all the pros and cons taken into consideration by several members. Till date nobody has been removed from that forum because his/her views were contrary to mine or some other member’s. On the other hand, very often an additional point of view was added to the gamut of calendar making because of contrarian views. Jai Shri Ram. A K Kaul --- In , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kaul, > > Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to someone else who is using your identity and name ... > > It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or do not manage to do! > > I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all during your testing. > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience? > > If, yes, then I would love to hear your personal experiences and perhaps you can summarize your experience in a post for my and other interested people's benefit, if you wish. > > Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too many details in your first post to us. > > Best regards, > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Dear Rohini,Shri A.K.Kaul has always been saying that astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are duping people but now he means that astrology is after all valid when his following satement says that he made correct astrological predictions :I had been publishing "Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang" for several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra Saraswati himself!Any person will automatically think that he just made some gtuess-work, ie.shot in the dark and it came correct. The sponsors requested the Jagadguru H.H.Swami Jayendra Saraswatiji to hand over the prize, as he was in Delhi at that time.Best wishes,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 10/15/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:jyotirved <jyotirved[VRI] Cc: hinducalendar , indian_astrology_group_daily_digest Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:01 AM Dear Shri Rohini Ranjan, Jai Shri Ram! < Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to someone else who is using your identity and name ...> "jyotirved" is my email id. My full name is Avtar krishen Kaul. I was born in Srinagar, Kashmir, and have been living in Delhi for quite some time now. <It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or do not manage to do!> As you must have observed from some of my posts, my main, rather the only, grouse against "Vedic astrology" is that it has rent us asunder from the real Vedic culture/ethos by "advising us" either directly or indirectly, to believe in Stars and non-existent rashi divisions or Mangal, Shani etc. inanimate planets. On top of it, it has made us forget Udagayana etc. four cardinal points of the phenomenon of seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve Vedic months, with the result that we celebrate a non-existent Makar Sankranti--- some "Vedic astrologers" want us to celebrate Lahiri Makar Sankranti, others want us to celebrate Ramana Makar Sankranti, still others a Muladhara Makara Sankranti, and still others Fagan Makar Sankranti and till others Raivatapaksha Makar Sankranti and so on. Same is the case with all the other Sankrantis! As on date, our "sankrantis" have been advanced by 24 days. After a few centuries, they will get advanced by at least one month and a time may come, when we will celebrate thess so called nirayana Makar Sankrantis on the day of Dakshinayana! This has resulted in all the festivals like navaratras, dipavali, holi, dashahra etc. etc. and the muhurtas also having become topsy-turvy! These days we are celebrating Rama-Navmi (the janma tithi of Bhagwan Ram) not in the month of Madhu, but Madhava! Vasanti Navratras start when the first month of Vasanta Ritu i.e. Madhu is already over. There are several other similar anachronisms! It may appear from the above para that I am advocating a so called Sayana Rashichakra for our festivals and fairs. Initially, I had gained an impression that the Vedas are talking of a so called Sayana zodiac, but in spite of my best efforts and in spite of my going through all the four Vedas and the Vedangas assiduously with a tooth comb, I could not find Any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis nor Mangal, Shani etc. planets there! Even if we concede the point for the sake of argument that some people have "visualized" Mesha etc. Rashis through their tapasya or parokshya knowledge in some of the Vedas, it is common knowledge that festivals and fairs and muhurtas being down to earth geographical phenomena are not calculated through parokshya knowledge, least of all are horoscopes prepared from any parokshya knowledge! For that purpose we need data from JPL/NASA, and not parokshya-walas. Then about parokshya knowledge, nobody is sure whether he/she visualized the so called Sayana Rashis or the so called nirayana rashis through their tapasya etc. in the Vedas, because different people make different types of claims! Then again, if the parokshyawalas visualized nirayana rashis, it is again a moot point as to what their ayanamsha is---Lahiri or Raman or Muladhara etc. etc.---- and why! If we go by the Puranas, it will be clear from a document "BVB6", which I am posting separately that all of them have advocated a so called Sayana Rashichakra for our festivals and muhurtas and not any Lahiri or Ramana etc. rashichakra, which means that we are celebrating all the festivals not only against the Vedic canons but even against the Pauranic lore! All in the name of “Vedic astrologyâ€! < I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all during your testing. Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience?> Regarding my personal experiences about jyotisha, my maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century. He used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! To the best of my knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! But that does not mean that Grahalaghava is one of the most accurate karana-granthas! It is actually the most inaccurate --- as inaccurate as the Surya Sidhanta---astronom ical work and is the main culprit for spreading the so called nirayana mayhem in India! I have been personally to Brighu Samhita walas in Jullundur and Dasuva in Punjab; Aruna Samhita-wala in Delhi and have attended quite a few jyotisha sammelans. The predictions of Brighu and Aruna etc. Samhitas were anything but correct! It was all a guess work in the name of Maharshi Brighu and Aruna the charioteer of Surya Bhagwan! So the less said about them the better! Same was the case about bhavishyavanis of other jyotishis--- to whom I had been "incognito" Their predictions were fifty-fifty! ! I had been publishing "Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang" for several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra Saraswati himself! But my predictions having proved correct in no way means that phalita jyotisha is a science or it is approved by shastras! <Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too many details in your first post to us.> I admire the courage of the moderator/owner of this () forum, who is allowing such “blasphemous†posts to appear in a “jyotihsgroupâ€. If you want a complete picture I would suggest you to join http://groups. / group/hinducalen dar I may mention here that I am just a learner---a student---and do keep on changing my views, if they are proved to be incongruent with astronomical or shastraic facts. Posts to that forum are not moderated and whatever contrarian views are posted there, they are thoroughly evaluated and all the pros and cons taken into consideration by several members. Till date nobody has been removed from that forum because his/her views were contrary to mine or some other member’s. On the other hand, very often an additional point of view was added to the gamut of calendar making because of contrarian views. Jai Shri Ram. A K Kaul --- In , "rohinicrystal" <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kaul, > > Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to someone else who is using your identity and name ... > > It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or do not manage to do! > > I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all during your testing. > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience? > > If, yes, then I would love to hear your personal experiences and perhaps you can summarize your experience in a post for my and other interested people's benefit, if you wish. > > Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too many details in your first post to us. > > Best regards, > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Dear Bhattacharya ji, Do you know about that man who could not impress upon his own wife that he was manly, smart, handsome and very hard working ideal of a person, and so he caught hold of his wifes ever youthful looking younger sister and started trying to impress upon her, his great non-existent qualities, and not being able to make a mark even upon her, he started spoiling her reputation out of sheer helplesness and frustration. Same is the position and existence of our AKK, who could not impress upon his own astronomers community about his illogical rotten claims, and he is now after the astrologers, trying to always disgrace , dishonour and humiliate them. This man is even putting the name of the olden great astrologers at disrepute, and has certainly put his Loka and Parloka progress at stake totally blemished with an envelope of evil, falsehood and wrong proclamations. regards/Bhaskar. , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Shri A.K.Kaul has always been saying that astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are duping people but now he means that astrology is after all valid when his following satement says that he made correct astrological predictions : > > I had > been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for > several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For > one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star > Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra > Saraswati himself! > > Any person will automatically think that he just made some gtuess-work, ie.shot in the dark and it came correct. The sponsors requested the Jagadguru H.H.Swami Jayendra Saraswatiji to hand over the prize, as he was in Delhi at that time. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Thu, 10/15/09, jyotirved jyotirved wrote: > > jyotirved jyotirved > [VRI] > > Cc: hinducalendar , indian_astrology_group_daily_digest > Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:01 AM  > > > > > > > Dear Shri > Rohini Ranjan, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > < Assuming > that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to someone else > who is using your identity and name ...> > > > > " jyotirved " is my email id. My full name is Avtar krishen Kaul. > I was born in Srinagar, Kashmir, and have been living  in Delhi for quite > some time now. > > <It is sad > that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or do not manage > to do!> > > As you must > have observed from some of my posts, my main, rather the only, grouse against > " Vedic astrology " is that  it has rent us asunder from the real > Vedic culture/ethos by " advising us " either directly or indirectly, > to believe in Stars and non-existent rashi divisions or Mangal, Shani etc. > inanimate planets. On top of it, it has made us forget Udagayana etc. > four cardinal points of the phenomenon of seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. > twelve Vedic months, with the result that we  celebrate a non-existent Makar > Sankranti--- some " Vedic astrologers " want us to celebrate Lahiri Makar > Sankranti, others want us to celebrate Ramana Makar Sankranti, still others a > Muladhara Makara Sankranti, and still others Fagan Makar Sankranti and till > others Raivatapaksha Makar Sankranti and so on. Same is the case with all > the other Sankrantis! As on date, our " sankrantis " have been advanced > by 24 days. After a few centuries, they will get advanced by at least one > month and a time may come, when we will celebrate thess so called nirayana  Makar > Sankrantis on the day of Dakshinayana! > > This has > resulted in all the festivals like navaratras, dipavali, holi, dashahra etc. > etc. and the muhurtas also having become topsy-turvy! These days we are > celebrating Rama-Navmi (the janma tithi of Bhagwan Ram) not in the month of > Madhu, but Madhava! Vasanti Navratras start when the first month of > Vasanta Ritu i.e. Madhu is already over. There are several other similar > anachronisms! > > It may appear > from the above para that I am advocating a so called Sayana Rashichakra for our > festivals and fairs. Initially, I had gained an impression that the Vedas > are talking of a so called Sayana zodiac, but in spite of my best efforts > and in spite of my going through all the four Vedas and the Vedangas > assiduously with a tooth comb, I could not find Any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis nor > Mangal, Shani etc. planets there! > > Even if we > concede the point for the sake of argument that some people have > " visualized " Mesha etc. Rashis through their tapasya or parokshya > knowledge in some of the Vedas, it is common knowledge that festivals and fairs > and muhurtas being down to earth geographical phenomena are not calculated > through parokshya knowledge, least of all are horoscopes prepared from any > parokshya knowledge! For that purpose we need data from JPL/NASA, and not > parokshya-walas. Then about parokshya knowledge, nobody is sure whether > he/she visualized the so called Sayana Rashis or the so called nirayana rashis > through their tapasya etc.  in the Vedas, because different people make > different types of claims! > > Then again, if > the parokshyawalas visualized nirayana rashis, it is again a moot point as to > what their ayanamsha is---Lahiri or Raman or Muladhara etc. etc.---- and why! > > If we go by the > Puranas, it will be clear from a document " BVB6 " , which I am posting > separately that all of them have advocated a so called Sayana Rashichakra for > our festivals and muhurtas and not any Lahiri or Ramana etc. rashichakra, which > means that we are celebrating all the festivals not only against the Vedic > canons but even against the Pauranic lore! All in the name of “Vedic > astrologyâ€! > > < I am > assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn jyotish and > then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all during your > testing. > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience?> > > Regarding my personal experiences about jyotisha, my maternal grandfather > was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri > in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century. He used to > prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that > panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! To the best of my knowledge, none of > his predictions ever failed! > > But that does > not mean that Grahalaghava is one of the most accurate karana-granthas! > It is actually the most inaccurate --- as inaccurate as the Surya Sidhanta---astronom ical > work and is the main culprit for spreading the so called nirayana mayhem > in India! > > I have been > personally to Brighu Samhita walas in Jullundur and Dasuva in Punjab; Aruna > Samhita-wala in Delhi and have attended quite a few jyotisha > sammelans.  The predictions of Brighu and Aruna etc. Samhitas were > anything but correct! It was all a guess work in the name of > Maharshi Brighu and Aruna the charioteer of Surya Bhagwan! So the less > said about them the better! Same was the case about bhavishyavanis of > other jyotishis--- to whom I had been " incognito "  Their predictions > were fifty-fifty! ! > >  I had > been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for > several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For > one of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star > Teller, and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra > Saraswati himself! > > But my predictions > having proved correct in no way means that phalita jyotisha is a science or it > is approved by shastras! > > <Most of us > have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too many details > in your first post to us.> > > I admire the > courage of the moderator/owner of this ()  forum, who is > allowing such “blasphemous†posts to appear in a “jyotihsgroupâ€. > If you want a complete picture I would suggest you to join > > http://groups. / group/hinducalen dar > >  I may mention > here that I am just a learner---a student---and do keep on changing my views, > if they are proved to be incongruent with astronomical or shastraic facts. Posts > to that forum are not moderated and whatever contrarian views are posted > there, they are thoroughly evaluated and all the pros and cons taken into > consideration by several members. Till date nobody has been removed from > that forum because his/her views were contrary to mine or some other member’s. > On the other hand, very often an additional point of view was added to the gamut > of calendar making because of contrarian views. > > Jai Shri Ram. > > A K Kaul > > --- In > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Kaul, > > > > > > Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to > someone else who is using your identity and name ... > > > > > > It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do > or do not manage to do! > > > > > > I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn > jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at all > during your testing. > > > > > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience? > > > > > > If, yes, then I would love to hear your personal experiences and perhaps > you can summarize your experience in a post for my and other interested > people's benefit, if you wish. > > > > > > Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give > too many details in your first post to us. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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