Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Dear All, The following is from:http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html Note: By the way, let me clarify that the individual who wrote with the id Suryarao12 is none by Chandra Hari. Love and regards,Sreenadh========================== Laughing at divisional transits Surya Rao <suryarao12 Mailed-By: returns. vedic astrology vedic astrology Nov 8, 2005 3:48 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Laughing at divisional transitsDear Sreenadh, See how many signs are involved even if we consider Rasi alone. It can be more than 8 if we take AVmax sign of Guru also. Some of these features may coincide in one rasi. Even then Guru's tranist through 5 - 6 signs can give children. Guru in one position aspects 3 signs. So at any time if we consider all signs that is said below 1 to 8 some "Putra_Rasi" will be under the influence of Guru. I think this is something all can understand. Under this predicament, just imagine someone applies such formulate to Vargas treated as independent. Guru shall cause children in all rasis? Then how shall one predict? Postmortem will be wonderful. We must do research but research must be methodical and intelligent. I am sorry if I am wrong in the above perception. I have few more doubts - If someone says that aspects and transits are applicable to Navamsa, then what about Kendra_Trikona positions? Rajayoga have been predicted in respect of what - Rasi or other Vargas? Or you say everywhere there are Rajayogas and have equal strengths? A planet is beneficial for the native based on Lagna - is it? Can that change in the case of Varga where Lagna may be different? See for Kanya Lagna is Mars is dire malefic and so it will be for the native. Now say Kanya has navamsa in Leo. Shall malefics Mars become benevolent for spouse? 4. How the strength is attributed in Varga_Bala calculations – Rasi is more important and contributes more strength than other Vargas? If yes why? Surya Rao========================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Dear All, This is an old conversation that happened in Vedic-astrology during Tue Nov 8, 2005. Love and regards, Sreenadh vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid wrote: Dear All, I have prepared my previous mail to PVR in a hurry, and because of that made a mistake in the translation of the quote supplied. My apologies. Here is the correct translation. Puthresasrithabhe thadamsakagrahe mandyasritharkshe thadee- Yamsarkshe cha thadha trikonabhavaneshvesham cha bahvakhake Rasou swashtakavargake cha vicharan jeevo bhavel puthradaH Puthesoathra vichinthyatham himakarallegnachcha jeevadapi (Presnamarga 19-87) [When Ju is transiting through 5th and 9th of the following *Rasis* (Signs) the qurent may have children. The *Rasis* (Signs) are- 1) The sign in which the 5th lord is posited. 2) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord is posited 3) The sign in which the 5th lord from Moon is posited. 4) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord from moon is posited. 5) The sign in which the 5th lord from Ju is posited. 6) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord from Ju is posited. 7) The sign in which Mandi is posited. 8) The sign in which the Navamsa of Mandi is posited. Apart from the above conditions, especially, when Ju is transiting through the sign in which Ju has more bindus in Ashtavarga, then also birth of child is possible. All these possibilities should be considered while thinking about the time in which the qurent may have children] This sloka clearly indicates some laws applied in general: 1) While considering transit in navamsa, or considering transit in rasi, the particular navamsa-sign and sign are counted from Lagna (Natal Asc). 2) Transit in Vargas is nothing but the transit of planets through the Natal chart. (i.e. Not transit in D-charts/Varga_charts is mentioned in this sloka) 3) Since all the slokas that describe transit in Vargas shows this trend, transit in D-charts is unsupported by classics. (Of course, I am not against using them on an experimental basis (like the one PVR's research trend shows) as a *new technique unsupported by classics*) There are hundreds of such slokas in authentic texts, which shows that transit in Vargas should be considered from natal Asc (Legna) only, as per classics. I am ready to supply any number of slokas to prove the same. Again I apologize to everybody for the mistake committed due to my inattention/carelessness in the translation given earlier. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid> wrote: > > Dear PVR, > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in > > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal > Moon in > > *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > attributes it > > to nadi texts. > Of course you are right. Not only Nadi texts but also many books > like Presnamarga also speaks about transit through the Navamsa, as > well as through rasis from the Navamsa rasi (Not only for Moon but for > many other planets as well). But the truth you should understand is > that, when the vargas are considered as the part of Natal chart > itself, Navamsa rasi indicates a rasi of the natal chart, and the > texts are referring to that, and not to any Navamsa chakra. > It is very clear when you look at such slokas. Please don't > misinterpret such slokas. Look at this sloka of Presnamarga- > Puthresasrithabhe thadamsakagrahe mandyasritharkshe thadee- > Yamsarkshe cha thadha trikonabhavaneshvesham cha bahvakhake > Rasou swashtakavargake cha vicharan jeevo bhavel puthradaH > Puthesoathra vichinthyatham himakarallegnachcha jeevadapi > (Presnamargam 19-87) > Meaning, When Ju is transiting through the following 8 *Rasis* > (Signs) the qurent may have children. The *Rasis* (Signs) are- > 1) The sign in which the 5th is posited. > 2) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord is posited > 3) The sign in which the 5th lord from Moon is posited. > 4) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord from moon is posited. > 5) The sign in which the 5th lord from Ju is posited. > 6) The sign in which the Navamsa of 5th lord from Ju is posited. > 7) The sign in which Mandi is posited. > 8) The sign in which the Navamsa of Mandi is posited. > Look at this sloka, it clearly indicates that the perticular sign > and Navamsa-sign are counted from Lagna. If one known Sanskrit one > cannot interpret this sloka in any other way!! You don't have to look > for some unseen nadi references; there are hundreds of such slokas in > authentic texts!! > Now coming to your reference: > > My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that that idea > > existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be taken. > Well...I don't know about it. It is something between you and your > guru. Can you quote an authentic reference? that is my only question. > I cannot believe in everything your guru says, since he is not my > guru. He may have some reference, so please ask him, and if you get > any such sloka stating the same, please inform us, so that we could > also satisfy ourselves by seeing such an authentic quote. > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets in > > transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my > > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > tradition use > > such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to conception > when > > Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > Again, please provide us with the quote - only that makes sense. If > you have such an authentic reference we are ready to accept your > argument. > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. > Which tradition? Even the scholars of previous generations had > written texts on astrology. Can you give any such references? Not > transistors notes - but original quotes. > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things > that > > seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and > laughable > > to you. > No! PVR ji, it is not so!! I respect you and your efforts. I was > just pointing to a logical error you have made!! That doesn't mean > that I am against all of your ideas. Just look around and see, why I > am getting support from scholars like Finn, Panditji and Surya Rao? > Why I am able to quote many slokas that supports the original views > (It is not my views), while you are unable to provide even a minimum > number of slokas? I would never say that you should drop your views, > but please give the necessary respect the authentic views demand. It > is my humble plea. > > I fully understand that and respect your views. I share my > > views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds them > useful. > Yes, similarly we (all of us who are after the classics) understand > and respect your views as well; we are just against the fact that 'you > are not giving the essential respect the Varga concept demands'. (For > e.g. you have not included it in your JHora software, and is against > it). None of can take as much effort as you did for Jyothisha, > especially considering how you rewarded the astrology community with > the JHora software. Yes, these are my sincere words - coming from the > heart. > > The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in Jyotish is over > and I > > have to move on. > Yes, we understand. But really you are behind none, and above all > considering your contribution to astrology and its popularity. My > sincere apologies if any of my words hurt you in any manner. I am just > talking against a concept and not against a person. > ********** > ********** > After stating this much, I am not ready to comment on the example > provided by you. Go on in your research path, we appreciate, but > sincerely our views differ. > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given by > > classics and tradition. > Yes, I accept, and don't want to comment on it, as I may hurt you. > > Those who want to benefit from it welcome to do so. > > Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > No, man...Don't take it personally. As you said, " It is just > research " , and our views may differ. Let us take it with sportsman > spirit and join hands. Sincerely " I love your efforts " . Now also I may > continue to criticize your views, but my plea is, please don't take it > personally. And as an elder person, please correct me when my > criticisms are crossing boundaries against you or anybody else. We all > are part of a single brethren, and are after the truth of astrology. > Love, > Sreenadh > > Message: 10 > Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:09:21 -0500 > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@c...> > Laughing at divisional transits > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Regarding classics supporting " vargas " but not " varga charts " , we > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For now at > least... > > You are most welcome to " laugh at " my researches on transits in > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did not > resort > to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > tradition that inspired me. > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon > in > *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > attributes it > to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that that idea > existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be taken. > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets in > transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > tradition use > such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to conception when > Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional longitudes > for studying > the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is very little and it > stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things > that > seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and > laughable > to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. I share my > views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds them > useful. > The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in Jyotish is over and > I > have to move on. > > * * * > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't " laugh at " my views > on transits in divisional charts. > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, > 7:12:45 am (72 E 49' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " ) > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost office > on 1989 > November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, at 17Sg41. > To > me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 in navamsa > chart. > Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. Navamsas occupied by > planets show the blessings carried by them. When Jupiter or Saturn > transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa longitude of a planet, they > seem > to enhance and deplete the blessings. > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > Mercury's > natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit close to it > took > him down. > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord in > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close to > this > longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to power, > Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No other > planets had > a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had half aspect from 2Cp48 > of > navamsa. > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 were > bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. More > importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa chart! > Navamsa > shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which blessings are going to be > destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows which blessings are > going > to be depleted. > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and when > the > navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by transit > planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > * * * > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given by > classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it welcome to > do > so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@c > ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > Regarding classics supporting " vargas " but not " varga charts " , we > clearly have a different view and let us leave it at that. For now at > least... > > > > You are most welcome to " laugh at " my researches on transits in > divisional charts. I clearly said they were my researches and did not > resort to any misrepresentation regarding classics. > > > > However, I need to give some credits to existing literature and > tradition that inspired me. > > > > The idea of looking at the houses occupied by transit planets in > kshetra (rasi) chakra with respect to the sign occupied by natal Moon > in *navamsa* is not mine. Sri CS Patel mentions it in a book and > attributes it to nadi texts. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath also told me that > that idea existed in tradition and that even dasamsa Moon could be > taken. > > > > Secondly, the idea of looking at the navamsas occupied by planets in > transit and their interaction with natal rasi chart is also not my > original idea. Some principles attributed by Maharshi Bhrigu in > tradition use such transit analysis. Even Maharshi Jaimini refers to > conception when Sun transits the amsa containing Ketu. > > > > Thus, amsa transits were mentioned in tradition. I have only > generalized it, included aspects and included divisional longitudes > for studying the closeness of aspects. Thus, my contribution is very > little and it stands on the foundation given by previous works. > > > > Of course, when your perspective and mine are so different, things > that seem obvious, exciting and inspiring to me may seem silly and > laughable to you. I fully understand that and respect your views. I > share my views thinking that there may be someone out there who finds > them useful. The Mother hasn't yet made me feel that my work in > Jyotish is over and I have to move on. > > > > * * * > > > > This is not for Sreenadh and for others who don't " laugh at " my > views on transits in divisional charts. > > > > Take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi. His birthdata is: 1944 August 20, 7: > 12:45 am (72 E 49' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " ) > > > > When he took office as India's prime Minister on 1984 October 31, > Jupiter was transiting in the 16th degree of Sg. When he lost office > on 1989 November 24, Saturn was transiting around the same place, at > 17Sg41. To me, it is interesting that natal Mercury is at 17Sg10 in > navamsa chart. Mercury is AK and the 10th lord of dasamsa chart. > Navamsas occupied by planets show the blessings carried by them. When > Jupiter or Saturn transit in rasi chart close to the navamsa longitude > of a planet, they seem to enhance and deplete the blessings. > > > > It is interesting to me that Jupiter's rasi transit clkose to > Mercury's natal navamsa longitude made him PM and Saturn transit close > to it took him down. > > > > Now look at Mars. He is yoga karaka in rasi chart and 5th lord in > dasmasa. In rasi chart, he is at 1Vi13. Let us see transits close to > this longitude in navamsa and dasamsa charts. When he ascended to > power, Jupiter had a close aspect on it from 1Ta40 of dasamsa. No > other planets had a close aspect. Or, we can say Venus also had half > aspect from 2Cp48 of navamsa. > > > > On the contrary, when he lost power, yogas and aspects on 1Vi13 were > bad. Saturn was transiting nearby at 9Vi10 in navamsa chart. More > importantly, Rahu was transiting at exactly 1Vi10 in navamsa chart! > Navamsa shows blessings and Rahu navamsa shows which blessings are > going to be destroyed/eclipsed and Saturn's navamsa shows which > blessings are going to be depleted. > > > > When the rasi chart positions of key natal planets are closely > occupied/aspected by transit planets in navamsa/other amsas and when > the navamsas of key natal planets are closely occupied/aspected by > transit planets in rasi, we can often find important events. > > > > * * * > > > > This is just research, though it is based on the foundation given by > classics and tradition. Those who want to benefit from it welcome to > do so. Those who want to laugh at it are also welcome to do so. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Namaste Paditji, > > > Those after the D-charts (like PVR etc) say that Transit can be > > > interpreted in D-charts as well. What classical references they > > > have?!!!! NO!!!NOTHING!!! If it is D-charts or Varga_charts it is > all > > > the same. Classics supports the use of ONLY Vargas. > > > Now comming to their theory of transit in D-charts/Varga charts. > > > Here is some interesting notes. By me, and some by Surya Rao. His > > > mail inspired me, and made me laugh at the " Transit theory on D- > > > charts " . That is why I am reproducing it as well. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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