A blind chart

October 21, 2009

Dear Utkal-ji,

The B'data is :

Name ; MYB

DOB : 25th May, 1959, 18;23 hrs, Bhuj (Guj) India

Event occurred on 16th Oct, 2009, 08:05 hrs at Mathura

regards

Chakraborty

utkal.panigrahi [utkal.panigrahi] Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: Re: A blind chart

I m sorry, have not read this series, is it possible to re post birth data?Regards,Utkal , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji, ....For this we need the saving grace of Amrita> grahas - Jupiter or Venus; or the> lagna lord Venus's navamsa falling in some good place with strength,> during that> transit time.... ...This is better easy. The presence of malefics Sa> and Ma in 10th in Rasi or its navamsa indicate that the native is "Hit> by something heavy"; based on the Brihat Jataka quote "Sailagrad> Abhighatane" (HIT by something very big - like> the a heavy rock, mountain peak, big tree trunk, a collapsed wall or the> like). Thus we have at least one combination that indicates a hit caused> by something big or heavy...... I am happy to note that you have> finally accepted the role of Navamsa in astrology. Love and regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "sreesog" <sreesog@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > That was informative. Thanks. You asks-> > //a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ?> generally it is accepted by some that if the indications are in Chara> Rasi, then it happens on road. Then which rasi we are considering here> ....Capricorn or Cancer ?//> > Usually I consider that -> > * There is road going from Gemini (city) to Sag (city) - or vise> versa.> > * There is a river flowing from Pisces (Lake) to Virgo (River) - or> vise versa.> > * There is River or river side road going from Cancer (Lake) to> Capricorn (Near jungle place with less residences) - or vise versa.> > * There is a road going from Taurus (Village) to Scorpio (Near jungle> village) - or vise versa.> > Or in short it seems that there is a road/path every where connecting> different places - especially opposite signs. > > I don't know what indicates a Road in the said case, but if asked I> will select Capricorn-Cancer path (that goes through the side of Yamuna> sirver?) or the Pisces-Virgo path. > > //b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big> vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ? //> > This is better easy. The presence of malefics Sa and Ma in 10th in> Rasi or its navamsa indicate that the native is "Hit by something> heavy"; based on the Brihat Jataka quote "Sailagrad Abhighatane" (HIT by> something very big - like the a heavy rock, mountain peak, big tree> trunk, a collapsed wall or the like). Thus we have at least one> combination that indicates a hit caused by something big or heavy. The> involvement of Saturn as 4th lord in the given horoscope makes it a> "Heavy Truck".> > //c) How do we know that the person is okay ?//> > For this we need the saving grace of Amrita grahas - Jupiter or Venus;> or the lagna lord Venus's navamsa falling in some good place with> strength, during that transit time. How ever strong the transit is, the> native should have (the chart should indicate) better longevity. I am> now at office and will check these possibilities at home and then will> try to elaborate on this. > > From an imaginative perspective (just placing here for fun) based on> transit -> > The native (Venus) was going from his home at Capricorn to his office> location in Cancer, and when he reached Virgo in his path (since virgo> is 12th from his natal lagna and it was a place indicating danger) he> became little inattentive (since Venus was in debilitation) and all of a> sudden Mars-Saturn Navamsa in 10th from natal lagna got activated in the> form of a heavy Truck and it HIT the native with such a heavy force that> the Vehicle (Venus) become a thing of no use, but he was saved due to> his good longevity and the saving grace of Jupiter. Ha..Ha.. I think> what ever the way we may express things outwardly (based on quotes,> references, logic etc), it is almost this imaginative way that we> approach astrology personally - I believe. May be there lies a clue to> intuition, imagination and holistic approach - study, knowledge,> articulation capabilities, imagination, intuition - all playing their> own role. > > Note: I too would love to learn from the response of others for the 3> major questions put forward by Chakraborty ji. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > >> > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in> > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details.> > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.> > >> > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office> > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of> > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or> > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated> mentally..> > > but I believe in the saying that "Hard work never kills anybody..BUT> WHY> > > TAKE A CHANCE ?"> > >> > >> > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection> to 64th> > > navamsa technique.> > >> > >> > >> > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]> > > Ve> > > Rahu> > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve> > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2> > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo> > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]> > > Li> > > Vi Mo-1> > > Ketu Mo Sat-4> > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7> > >> > >> > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart> > > Grey : navamsa> > > Green : Transit> > >> > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error> may be> > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which> sometime vary> > > slightly from other softwares)> > >> > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as> well as> > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding> 210> > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On> that day> > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1> > >> > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in> transit.> > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in> posting)> > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April> 2010). But> > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)> > >> > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following> > >> > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & > cancer respectively.> > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer> respectively. However> > > what that should convey is not clear.> > >> > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the> quandaries / thinking> > > are :> > >> > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying> vehicle) and> > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th> lord..3rd> > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should> give> > > benefic results.> > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the> person> > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train.> There also transit Jup> > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva> shrapa.> > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or> maturity of planets> > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be> governed by Ketu.> > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves> to Sagi.> > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that> day, it was> > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in> Sagi (in transit) ?> > >> > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a> separation/divorce case in> > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed> that the person won> > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards> for 1/2 years.> > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar> manner....could have killed> > > the person... but did not ?> > >> > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this> system, 1 year is allocated> > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be> activated. So Jup is> > > activated again.> > >> > > The problems I faced are :> > >> > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ?> generally it is accepted> > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens> on road. Then which> > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?> > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big> vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?> > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ?> > >> > >> > >> > > regards> > >> > > Chakraborty> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

October 21, 2009

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

This is good to know.

So, the birth time should be 18:17 hrs or 18:29 hrs (instead of

18:23 hrs) ?

It also proves that method is as good as the applicator. People

are arriving at same target with different methods.

regards

Chakraborty

Bhaskar [bhaskar_jyotish] Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:13 AM Subject: Re: A blind chart

For Information of all-From the KP Group which is the other Group where this same Quiz waspresented, and where one would find many stalwarts, Shri Yogesh RaoLajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the accident for thisnative, but he had to do the excersise of rectifying the birth time to 6minutes ahead, of what was given to us (Which is why I always say firstprove the authenticity of the Birth time or pay us the Fees to spendtime on same, as time costs money).Hats off to him. He is great.Unfortunately he is no more here, in this Group.I have already mentioned in this Group a few months back, that he is oneof the best astrologers in India, and he predicts only from the BhavaChalit.regards/Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar"<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>>> Dear Manoj ji,>> Again you are mistaken,>> I have no where mentioned that "You" are a cut and paste astrologer. I> respect you very much, hence I took the pains to reply to your hasty> judgement about Bhava Chalit.>> I do not have to prove each and everyone who is a non-believer ofBhava> Chalit every time with the example which is put up.>> If you understand my previous mails, I have already mentioned andtalked> about the authenticituy part of the birth data, coming from anauthentic> person. You prove that, and you can have my analysis.>> In the meanwhile I have hundreds of such predictions scattered on> various forums of astrology, Should you care to search for them, it> would not be difficult.>> If i could have predicted on the said chart through Bhava Chalit, i> would have already said that there was an accident which happennedwith> the native. I could not, that is already the past. This does not mean> that the Bhava Chalit system or approach is wrong.>> In most of the Groups (I am now talking in general) the Quizzes have> become a farce. They are put up only to showcase a new face as a good> astrologer. Most of us have already realised this, and if you just> peep in the only group which has the most quizzes since last one year(I> do not need to name the Group for obvious reasons) you will find that> none of the old timers take part in same bcoz they have realised the> game which is played in name of quizzes.>> I an very well prove about Bhava Chalit, again for you since you are a> sincere astrologer, but only in the way I have presented the Quiz must> be taken up, for prominent personalities, with consensus on birth> particulars and on the next 12 months span.>> Bhava Chalit is not an invention by pathi but as old as the raashi> Chart. Unfortunately this is what I am trying to tell in my previous> posts, that only a few here know what ancient astrology is. Being a> writer on astrology, and actually knowing about what one writes, is a> seperate matter.>> I can write hundreds of books on astrology without having actuallyever> entered in the water. this is known as being fake.>> best wishes and regards,>> Bhaskar.>>>>> , Manoj Chandran> chandran_manoj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaksar Ji,> >> > 1. My comment on Bhava Chalit was merely an admission that in this> specific case it did not work well for me. I did not use it fortransit> but only for Bhava Analysis. As per Bhava Chalit Jupiter is in 1sthouse> and Saturn is in 2nd house. So first part is good. 3rd and 6th house> ruler in 1st house could indicate Accident affecting the body. So farso> good. However, Saturn being in the 2nd house does not indicateVehicular> accidents clearly.> >> > On the other hand if you take Rashi Chart, Saturn is the 4th lord in> the 3rd house which does indicate 3rd house matters (short distance> travel) ending up in a vehicular (4th house) accident (Saturn being12th> from the 4th). Combining Jupiters 3H/6H rulership makes this veryclear.> It is only my observation that by considering Saturn being in the 2nd> house (due to Bhava Chalit) I am not able to predict accident.> >> > I admit it might just be my own inability to interpret properlyusing> Bhava Chalit that might be the problem. If that is the case, I request> any experienced Bhava Chalit user (including yourself) to pleasekindly> help me correct my mistake in interpretation and kindly explain to me> how a vehicular accident can be explained using Bhava Chalit.> >> > 2. Before I try some thing I think about it clearly and apply the> rules correctly. I am not a "cut and paste" astrologer.> >> > I understand that Bhava Chalit is used for "Bhavas" nor "Rashis". I> understand transits are also Rashi based. I clearly understand that in> this chart I am supposed to take:> >> > Retro Saturn in Sagittarius Rashi, BUT placed in 2nd house (Bhava> Chalit)> > Retro Saturn in Sagittarious Rashi, BUT placed in 3rd house (Rashi => House chart)> >> > In both the above cases I am to consider Saturn as ruler of 4H and5H.> >> > 3. The comment about "old" is actually made after reading SreenadhJi> article/comments on Bhava Chalit where he has clearly mentioned the> Historical context. Clearly Bhava Chalit is NOT as OLD as traditional> Rashi Chakra but more of a relatively recent invention by Sri Pathi.> >> > 4. Finally, probably the most important point is that I am just a> learner. Just because I don't find Bhava Chalit to work correctly does> not mean it wont work for others. I am not trying to belittle anybody's> methodology here. I am just sharing my opinion.> >> > Bhaskar Ji you and many others have used this accurately so farmeans> it works well for you and that is Good. It is in no way reduces the> respect I have for you and other successful astrologers. I knowKursija> Ji use it too and I have a lot of respect for him as well. I know our> respected Bohra ji uses it as well. There are other astrologers inother> Groups that I greatly respect who use Bhava Chalit. So please dont> mistake me.> >> > Instead if you feel it is such an important part of the analysis> please share with me and teach me how to use it effectively.> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > Tue, October 20, 2009 10:46:35 AM> > Re: A blind chart> >> >> >> > I am sorry, but copy paste does not make one knowledgable about> > Traditional astrology. the Bhava Chalit is an integral part ofIndian> > astrology. Please do some original research before you think andpass> > judgements that it is different.> >> > I regret to say that not more than 2-3 members here know what> > Traditional and ancient astrology is actually.> >> > You people are actually making a mess of the ancient rules andRishis> by> > mixing too much of here and there, without doing original study of> > astrology. Learn from Real masters and then must you talk of what isa> > new rule or what is a old rule.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"sreesog@> >> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Manoj Chandran ji,> > > //So I better stick with traditional every rashi is a house rule,> > which> > > seems to work more reliably.> > > > Thank you for allowing me to indulge in new techniques (andfail),> > > which makes me appreciate that "old is gold".//> > > Ha...Ha...I liked those lines. [] This is the very reason we> > > people are still stick to the old Rishi horas and traditionalrules.> > > [] It is good to reach always alleast somewhere near the true> > > result, on a regular basis - and traditional astrology gives> reliable> > > results on this - and astrologer's life would be easy, some what> more> > > tension free and will not have to depend on lies, upayas andpoojas> to> > > survive. []> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran> > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chakraborty Ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for your blind chart exercise. I completely missed the> > accident> > > since I was focussing only on positive things. I came to the> > conclusion> > > it could not be work related, could not be marriage and goodthings> > are> > > very strongly indicated for his children. But I still think this> > period> > > would be excellent for his children.> > > >> > > > On another note, I have been considering Bhava Chalitalternative> > for> > > a few days and I tried it on this chart. Sorry to say it hasfailed> > me.> > > If I had done my usual traditional analysis I would have been> correct.> > > Unfortunately Bhava Chalit places Saturn in the 2nd house, which> gives> > > NO indication whatsoever of this accident. However, it does showthe> > > financial impact of the accident very strongly. But the same could> > have> > > also been deduced from the transits in the 12H.> > > >> > > > As per Iyer's rule: Saturn is the Avayogi and he is also> retrograde> > > which makes him doubly bad, placed in the 2nd house (in Chalit) is> the> > > cause for this financial mishap. So this indicates that using"just"> > > Bhava Chalit, I can miss some nuances. So I better stick with> > > traditional every rashi is a house rule, which seems to work more> > > reliably.> > > >> > > > Thank you for allowing me to indulge in new techniques (andfail),> > > which makes me appreciate that "old is gold".> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > >> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

October 21, 2009

Bhaskar ji

I have read Pt Shukdev so many books and Jyotish Ratnakr and they are based on Parashar Padhati and they use bhav chalit in general prediction as well as transit prediction also.

I dont know why this confusion came.

Regards

Dr Mishra--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: A blind chart Received: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 6:28 PM

Dear Bhaksar Ji,

1. My comment on Bhava Chalit was merely an admission that in this specific case it did not work well for me. I did not use it for transit but only for Bhava Analysis. As per Bhava Chalit Jupiter is in 1st house and Saturn is in 2nd house. So first part is good. 3rd and 6th house ruler in 1st house could indicate Accident affecting the body. So far so good. However, Saturn being in the 2nd house does not indicate Vehicular accidents clearly.

On the other hand if you take Rashi Chart, Saturn is the 4th lord in the 3rd house which does indicate 3rd house matters (short distance travel) ending up in a vehicular (4th house) accident (Saturn being 12th from the 4th). Combining Jupiters 3H/6H rulership makes this very clear. It is only my observation that by considering Saturn being in the 2nd house (due to Bhava Chalit) I am not able to predict accident.

I admit it might just be my own inability to interpret properly using Bhava Chalit that might be the problem. If that is the case, I request any experienced Bhava Chalit user (including yourself) to please kindly help me correct my mistake in interpretation and kindly explain to me how a vehicular accident can be explained using Bhava Chalit.

2. Before I try some thing I think about it clearly and apply the rules correctly. I am not a "cut and paste" astrologer.

I understand that Bhava Chalit is used for "Bhavas" nor "Rashis". I understand transits are also Rashi based. I clearly understand that in this chart I am supposed to take:

Retro Saturn in Sagittarius Rashi, BUT placed in 2nd house (Bhava Chalit)

Retro Saturn in Sagittarious Rashi, BUT placed in 3rd house (Rashi = House chart)

In both the above cases I am to consider Saturn as ruler of 4H and 5H.

3. The comment about "old" is actually made after reading Sreenadh Ji article/comments on Bhava Chalit where he has clearly mentioned the Historical context. Clearly Bhava Chalit is NOT as OLD as traditional Rashi Chakra but more of a relatively recent invention by Sri Pathi.

4. Finally, probably the most important point is that I am just a learner. Just because I don't find Bhava Chalit to work correctly does not mean it wont work for others. I am not trying to belittle any body's methodology here. I am just sharing my opinion.

Bhaskar Ji you and many others have used this accurately so far means it works well for you and that is Good. It is in no way reduces the respect I have for you and other successful astrologers. I know Kursija Ji use it too and I have a lot of respect for him as well. I know our respected Bohra ji uses it as well. There are other astrologers in other Groups that I greatly respect who use Bhava Chalit. So please dont mistake me.

Instead if you feel it is such an important part of the analysis please share with me and teach me how to use it effectively.

Regards,

-Manoj

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologyTue, October 20, 2009 10:46:35 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart

I am sorry, but copy paste does not make one knowledgable aboutTraditional astrology. the Bhava Chalit is an integral part of Indianastrology. Please do some original research before you think and passjudgements that it is different.I regret to say that not more than 2-3 members here know whatTraditional and ancient astrology is actually.You people are actually making a mess of the ancient rules and Rishis bymixing too much of here and there, without doing original study ofastrology. Learn from Real masters and then must you talk of what is anew rule or what is a old rule.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog >wrote:>> Dear Manoj

Chandran ji,> //So I better stick with traditional every rashi is a house rule,which> seems to work more reliably.> > Thank you for allowing me to indulge in new techniques (and fail),> which makes me appreciate that "old is gold".//> Ha...Ha...I liked those lines. [] This is the very reason we> people are still stick to the old Rishi horas and traditional rules.> [] It is good to reach always alleast somewhere near the true> result, on a regular basis - and traditional astrology gives reliable> results on this - and astrologer's life would be easy, some what more> tension free and will not have to depend on lies, upayas and poojas to> survive. []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran> chandran_manoj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chakraborty Ji,> >> > Thanks for your blind chart exercise. I completely missed theaccident> since I was focussing only on positive things. I came to theconclusion> it could not be work related, could not be marriage and good thingsare> very strongly indicated for his children. But I still think thisperiod> would be excellent for his children.> >> > On another note, I have been considering Bhava Chalit alternativefor> a few days and I tried it on this chart. Sorry to say it has failedme.> If I had done my usual traditional analysis I would have been correct.> Unfortunately Bhava Chalit places Saturn in the 2nd house, which gives> NO indication

whatsoever of this accident. However, it does show the> financial impact of the accident very strongly. But the same couldhave> also been deduced from the transits in the 12H.> >> > As per Iyer's rule: Saturn is the Avayogi and he is also retrograde> which makes him doubly bad, placed in the 2nd house (in Chalit) is the> cause for this financial mishap. So this indicates that using "just"> Bhava Chalit, I can miss some nuances. So I better stick with> traditional every rashi is a house rule, which seems to work more> reliably.> >> > Thank you for allowing me to indulge in new techniques (and fail),> which makes me appreciate that "old is gold".> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj>

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October 21, 2009

Dear Chakraborty ji,

Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some were quite

close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it would be quite

helpful and useful if you give your final report on the analyses given by

various members of the group. If my memory serves me right, in earlier 'blind

quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji [may be by few others

too..sorry I forget names]....and I am sure you are more than capable of giving

us a summary of everyone's 'rights' and 'wrongs'.

Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)

blessings,

Renu

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in

> my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details.

> That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.

>

> The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office

> computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of

> planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or

> nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated mentally..

> but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills anybody..BUT WHY

> TAKE A CHANCE ? "

>

> What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection to 64th

> navamsa technique.

>

> Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]

> Ve

> Rahu

> Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve

> Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars +

(Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2

> Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo

> Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]

> Li

> Vi Mo-1

> Ketu Mo Sat-4

> Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7

>

> Yellow ; Rasi Chart

> Grey : navamsa

> Green : Transit

>

> (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error may be

> there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which sometime vary

> slightly from other softwares)

>

> In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as well as

> the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding 210

> deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On that day

> Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1

>

> The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in transit.

> The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in posting)

> for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April 2010). But

> I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)

>

> Other co-incidence I noticed is following

>

> In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & cancer

respectively.

> On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer respectively.

However

> what that should convey is not clear.

>

> Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the quandaries /

thinking

> are :

>

> 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying vehicle) and

> 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th

lord..3rd

> to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should give

> benefic results.

> 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the person

> died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. There

also transit Jup

> was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva

shrapa.

> 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or maturity of

planets

> for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be governed by

Ketu.

> Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves to

Sagi.

> That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that day, it

was

> with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in Sagi

(in transit) ?

>

> 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a

separation/divorce case in

> Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed that the

person won

> the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards for 1/2

years.

> Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar manner....could

have killed

> the person... but did not ?

>

> 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this system, 1 year

is allocated

> to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be activated.

So Jup is

> activated again.

>

> The problems I faced are :

>

> a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? generally

it is accepted

> by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens on

road. Then which

> rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?

> b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big vehicle ?

Jup (big & heavy) ?

> c) How do we know that the person is okay ?

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

> ________________________________

> sreesog [sreesog]

> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM

>

> Re: A blind chart

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

> OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the previous Rahu

dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that is causing the problem.

May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he uses!) could also be a

problem.

> //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//

> We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also points to

correct event I think.

> For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana year, the dasa

sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-

> //Vimsottari Dasa:

>

> Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)

> Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)

> Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)

> Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)

>

> For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th lord

(danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord Saturn is

4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). Paryantara lord Ketu is

placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) itself. Plot set well for

something bad like a fall or accident to happen - it seems.//

> We could see that -

> * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)

> * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)

> * Ju (6th lord; Accident)

> * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)

> * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)

>

> Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself I think;

pointing to the fact that BT is correct.

> One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the interpretation

I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck due to heavy materials - such

as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of tree, or brick wall] given for the

combination for Saturn-Mars combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's

Navamsa is in 10th along with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the

current horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was " Struck

by a heavy high speed truck " !

> In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in pinpointing

the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought that would be a

'Fall' (something falling on the native or native falling down). Ofcourse

'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.

> But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the 'native will

miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting hospitalized). I will

have to study and try to understand why this happened.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> --- In

<%40\

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> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his

> > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of

> > Birth is quite accurate)

> >

> > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the comments.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

>

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October 21, 2009

Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie jiCongratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.//the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group? Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident. Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was correct.DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.//So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or some other similar watery place.// You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology. Well...our moderators are a pride to us! blessings,Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty ji,> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in answering.> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be> performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with PD lord> mercury in 8H).*> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA). Not> taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have relied> more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak aspecting> lagna.> - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in PKY.> - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)> - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.> - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak Saturn> with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H from> moon.> - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and> Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.> > *Dasha Indications*> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan) and> aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.> AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by evil> Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is also 22DKN> and 64NAV lord.> PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual aspect> with Jup> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I feel the> event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits are bad,> the native could face an adverse situation.> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer, aspected by> T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna and Sun> is just about entering libra.> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from this> attempt. Thanks> > Regards> Neelam>

October 21, 2009

I too congratulate those who were near the truth and gave correct

answers. especially Neelamji who has time and again proved her prowess

in astrology. She is a gem to be honoured in the court of Vikramaditya,

and I mean it seriously this time, no humour here.

best wishes to all,

Bhaskar.

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense

you

> have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step

further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had

> to be performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

> Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if

> this was correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So

let

> me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

> congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason

for

> fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in

> bathroom or some other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone

else's

> analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes

like

> this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

> , neelam gupta

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in

> answering.

> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery

had

> to be

> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with

PD

> lord

> > mercury in 8H).*

> >

> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per

> CPA). Not

> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have

> relied

> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> >

> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> >

> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak

> aspecting

> > lagna.

> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in

> PKY.

> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak

> Saturn

> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H

> from

> > moon.

> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu.

> Mars and

> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> >

> > *Dasha Indications*

> >

> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)

and

> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by

> evil

> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is

also

> 22DKN

> > and 64NAV lord.

> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual

> aspect

> > with Jup

> >

> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I

feel

> the

> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits

are

> bad,

> > the native could face an adverse situation.

> >

> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,

> aspected by

> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna

> and Sun

> > is just about entering libra.

> >

> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from

> this

> > attempt. Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,Thanks, but I do not deserve any such thing. Even if I believe you're speaking the truth, I do not wish to leave you all and go back nearly two millenniums to get this honour!Regards

Neelam2009/10/21 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

I too congratulate those who were near the truth and gave correct

answers. especially Neelamji who has time and again proved her prowess

in astrology. She is a gem to be honoured in the court of Vikramaditya,

and I mean it seriously this time, no humour here.

best wishes to all,

Bhaskar.

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense

you

> have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step

further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had

> to be performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

> Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if

> this was correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So

let

> me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

> congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason

for

> fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in

> bathroom or some other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone

else's

> analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes

like

> this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

> , neelam gupta

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in

> answering.

> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery

had

> to be

> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with

PD

> lord

> > mercury in 8H).*

> >

> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per

> CPA). Not

> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have

> relied

> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> >

> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> >

> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak

> aspecting

> > lagna.

> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in

> PKY.

> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak

> Saturn

> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H

> from

> > moon.

> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu.

> Mars and

> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> >

> > *Dasha Indications*

> >

> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)

and

> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by

> evil

> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is

also

> 22DKN

> > and 64NAV lord.

> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual

> aspect

> > with Jup

> >

> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I

feel

> the

> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits

are

> bad,

> > the native could face an adverse situation.

> >

> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,

> aspected by

> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna

> and Sun

> > is just about entering libra.

> >

> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from

> this

> > attempt. Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Renu-ji,

I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of renunwWednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: A blind chart

Dear Chakraborty ji,Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some were quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I am sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's 'rights' and 'wrongs'.Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)blessings,Renu , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear friends,> > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in> my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details.> That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.> > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office> computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of> planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or> nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated mentally..> but I believe in the saying that "Hard work never kills anybody..BUT WHY> TAKE A CHANCE ?"> > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection to 64th> navamsa technique.> > > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]> Ve> Rahu> Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve> Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2> Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo> Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]> Li> Vi Mo-1> Ketu Mo Sat-4> Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7> > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart> Grey : navamsa> Green : Transit> > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error may be> there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which sometime vary> slightly from other softwares)> > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as well as> the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding 210> deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On that day> Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1> > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in transit.> The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in posting)> for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April 2010). But> I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)> > Other co-incidence I noticed is following> > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & cancer respectively.> On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer respectively. However> what that should convey is not clear.> > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the quandaries / thinking> are :> > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying vehicle) and> 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th lord..3rd> to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should give> benefic results.> 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the person> died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. There also transit Jup> was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva shrapa.> 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or maturity of planets> for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be governed by Ketu.> Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves to Sagi.> That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that day, it was> with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in Sagi (in transit) ?> > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a separation/divorce case in> Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed that the person won> the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards for 1/2 years.> Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar manner....could have killed> the person... but did not ?> > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this system, 1 year is allocated> to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be activated. So Jup is> activated again.> > The problems I faced are :> > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? generally it is accepted> by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens on road. Then which> rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?> b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?> c) How do we know that the person is okay ?> > > > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > ________________________________> sreesog [sreesog]> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM> > Re: A blind chart> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that is causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he uses!) could also be a problem.> //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//> We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also points to correct event I think.> For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana year, the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-> //Vimsottari Dasa:> > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)> Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)> Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)> Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)> > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th lord (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to happen - it seems.//> We could see that -> * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)> * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)> * Ju (6th lord; Accident)> * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)> * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)> > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself I think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct.> One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the interpretation I gave to the word "Sailagradabhighatane" [struck due to heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars combination. i.e. in the natal chart "Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th along with mars". My erroneous interpretation for that in the current horoscope was "fall from height", whereas the actual result was "Struck by a heavy high speed truck"!> In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.> But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the 'native will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this happened.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > <%40>, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his> > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of> > Birth is quite accurate)> >> > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the comments.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

October 21, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,

.....Even if I believe you're speaking the truth...

Why must you not believe so ? Why the word "even" must come. You know most of the times when I appreciate I am truthful and not diplomatic and not playing any games. This appreciation is among the "most of the times".

No You must not go back 2 milleniums. We want you to be a part of this generation.

regards/Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Thanks, but I do not deserve any such thing.> Even if I believe you're speaking the truth, I do not wish to leave you all> and go back nearly two millenniums to get this honour!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/10/21 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > >> >> >> > I too congratulate those who were near the truth and gave correct> > answers. especially Neelamji who has time and again proved her prowess> > in astrology. She is a gem to be honoured in the court of Vikramaditya,> > and I mean it seriously this time, no humour here.> >> > best wishes to all,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> >> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji> > >> > > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense> > you> > > have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step> > further.> > >> > > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> > > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had> > > to be performed.//> > >> > > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?> > >> > > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.> > > Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if> > > this was correct.> > >> > > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So> > let> > > me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.> > >> > > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me> > > congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.> > >> > > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason> > for> > > fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in> > > bathroom or some other similar watery place.//> > >> > > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone> > else's> > > analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.> > >> > > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes> > like> > > this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.> > >> > > Well...our moderators are a pride to us!> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > > <%40>,> > neelam gupta> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in> > > answering.> > > >> > > > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> > > > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery> > had> > > to be> > > > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with> > PD> > > lord> > > > mercury in 8H).*> > > >> > > > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per> > > CPA). Not> > > > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have> > > relied> > > > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.> > > >> > > > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*> > > >> > > > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak> > > aspecting> > > > lagna.> > > > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in> > > PKY.> > > > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)> > > > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.> > > > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak> > > Saturn> > > > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H> > > from> > > > moon.> > > > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu.> > > Mars and> > > > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.> > > >> > > > *Dasha Indications*> > > >> > > > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)> > and> > > > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.> > > > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by> > > evil> > > > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is> > also> > > 22DKN> > > > and 64NAV lord.> > > > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual> > > aspect> > > > with Jup> > > >> > > > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I> > feel> > > the> > > > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits> > are> > > bad,> > > > the native could face an adverse situation.> > > >> > > > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,> > > aspected by> > > > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna> > > and Sun> > > > is just about entering libra.> > > >> > > > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from> > > this> > > > attempt. Thanks> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

October 21, 2009

Dear All,

I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse she has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got "accident" right. Here I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:

// May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny was fatal/serious//

So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh ji, D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be "Ladies first" as well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time and effort.

Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.

I also take this opportunity to give my self the "biggest loser" award for having the most spectacularly wrong answer.

Regards,

-Manoj

renunw <renunw Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM Re: A blind chart

Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie jiCongratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.//the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group? Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident. Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was correct.DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.//So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is

a FALL. The reason for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or some other similar watery place.// You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology. Well...our moderators are a pride to us! blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty ji,> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in answering.> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be> performed. It

could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with PD lord> mercury in 8H).*> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA). Not> taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have relied> more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak aspecting> lagna.> - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in PKY.> - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)> - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.> - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak Saturn> with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H from> moon.> - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and>

Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.> > *Dasha Indications*> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan) and> aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.> AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by evil> Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is also 22DKN> and 64NAV lord.> PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual aspect> with Jup> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I feel the> event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits are bad,> the native could face an adverse situation.> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer, aspected by> T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna and Sun> is just about

entering libra.> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from this> attempt. Thanks> > Regards> Neelam>

October 21, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

There is nothing like " biggest looser " . Its just a win or a loss. Only

two options . No another. I have been through many such quizzes and lost

many times. Does not make any difference. Though a win does, and calls

for celebration, but a loss does not call for mourning at all. So just

enjoy. We will party in their win.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse

she has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got " accident "

right. Here I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:

>

> // May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny was

fatal/serious//

>

> So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh

ji, D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be " Ladies

first " as well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time

and effort.

>

> Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.

>

> I also take this opportunity to give my self the " biggest loser " award

for having the most spectacularly wrong answer.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw renunw

>

> Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM

> Re: A blind chart

>

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense

you have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step

further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had

to be performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if

this was correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So

let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason

for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in

bathroom or some other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone

else's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's

too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes

like this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on

Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in

answering.

> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery

had to be

> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with

PD lord

> > mercury in 8H).*

> >

> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per

CPA). Not

> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have

relied

> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> >

> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> >

> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak

aspecting

> > lagna.

> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in

PKY.

> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak

Saturn

> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H

from

> > moon.

> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars

and

> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> >

> > *Dasha Indications*

> >

> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)

and

> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by

evil

> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is

also 22DKN

> > and 64NAV lord.

> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual

aspect

> > with Jup

> >

> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I

feel the

> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits

are bad,

> > the native could face an adverse situation.

> >

> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,

aspected by

> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna

and Sun

> > is just about entering libra.

> >

> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from

this

> > attempt. Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,Bhaskar ji is right. There is nothing like losing here. These quizzes must be taken as play way learning modules.One who wins might get a chocolate, but the learning is much more for the one who has gone wrong. He only gets the real advantage of the exercise.

And the beauty of astrology is that no one can be right at all times and no one can be wrong at all times. (flukes included) :-)So enjoy the fun and learn as much as you can! You are right about Renu ji and her humility. She's indeed a wonderful person. Much to learn from her.

RegardsNeelam2009/10/21 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Dear Manoj ji,

There is nothing like " biggest looser " . Its just a win or a loss. Only

two options . No another. I have been through many such quizzes and lost

many times. Does not make any difference. Though a win does, and calls

for celebration, but a loss does not call for mourning at all. So just

enjoy. We will party in their win.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse

she has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got " accident "

right. Here I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:

>

> // May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny was

fatal/serious//

>

> So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh

ji, D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be " Ladies

first " as well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time

and effort.

>

> Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.

>

> I also take this opportunity to give my self the " biggest loser " award

for having the most spectacularly wrong answer.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw renunw

>

> Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM

> Re: A blind chart

>

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense

you have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step

further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had

to be performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if

this was correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So

let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason

for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in

bathroom or some other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone

else's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's

too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes

like this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on

Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in

answering.

> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery

had to be

> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with

PD lord

> > mercury in 8H).*

> >

> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per

CPA). Not

> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have

relied

> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> >

> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> >

> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak

aspecting

> > lagna.

> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in

PKY.

> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak

Saturn

> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H

from

> > moon.

> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars

and

> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> >

> > *Dasha Indications*

> >

> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)

and

> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by

evil

> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is

also 22DKN

> > and 64NAV lord.

> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual

aspect

> > with Jup

> >

> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I

feel the

> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits

are bad,

> > the native could face an adverse situation.

> >

> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,

aspected by

> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna

and Sun

> > is just about entering libra.

> >

> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from

this

> > attempt. Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji,

That was just me trying be funny !!! I dont take myself that seriously so I can laugh at my mistakes. But I do take Jyotish very seriously, so there is a lot to learn. But well begun is half done !!!

Regards,

-Manoj

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 9:29:50 AMRe: Re: A blind chart

Dear Manoj ji,Bhaskar ji is right. There is nothing like losing here. These quizzes must be taken as play way learning modules.One who wins might get a chocolate, but the learning is much more for the one who has gone wrong. He only gets the real advantage of the exercise.And the beauty of astrology is that no one can be right at all times and no one can be wrong at all times. (flukes included) :-)So enjoy the fun and learn as much as you can! You are right about Renu ji and her humility. She's indeed a wonderful person. Much to learn from her. RegardsNeelam

2009/10/21 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

Dear Manoj ji,There is nothing like "biggest looser". Its just a win or a loss. Onlytwo options . No another. I have been through many such quizzes and lostmany times. Does not make any difference. Though a win does, and callsfor celebration, but a loss does not call for mourning at all. So justenjoy. We will party in their win.best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,>> I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourseshe has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got "accident"right. Here I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:>> // May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny wasfatal/serious/ />> So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadhji, D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be "Ladiesfirst" as well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his timeand effort.>> Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.>> I also take this opportunity to give my self the "biggest loser" awardfor having the most spectacularly wrong answer.>> Regards,> -Manoj>>>>>> ____________ _________

_________ __> renunw renunw

> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart>>> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji>> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the senseyou have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a stepfurther.>> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal healthproblem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery hadto be performed.//>> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?>> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.Congratulations and hope you will reason out

as you have promised ifthis was correct.>> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So

let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.>> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let mecongratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.>> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reasonfor fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall inbathroom or some other similar watery place.//>> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyoneelse's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie'stoo.>> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzeslike this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have onAstrology.>> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!>> blessings,>> Renu> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta<neelamgupta07@

....> wrote:> >> > Dear Chakraborty ji,> >> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay inanswering.> >> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgeryhad to be> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun withPD lord> > mercury in 8H).*> >> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as perCPA). Not> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but haverelied> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.> >> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*> >> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marakaspecting> > lagna.> > -

Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are inPKY.> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marakSaturn> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8Hfrom> > moon.> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Marsand> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.> >> > *Dasha Indications*> >> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan)and> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited byevil> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn isalso 22DKN> > and 64NAV

lord.> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutualaspect> > with Jup> >> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. Ifeel the> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transitsare bad,> > the native could face an adverse situation.> >> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer,aspected by> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagnaand Sun> > is just about entering libra.> >> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn fromthis> > attempt. Thanks> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

October 21, 2009

Dear Chakraborty ji,Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us.I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it!Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer given to the same quiz in KP forum. Lajmi ji: //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...//Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through traditional astrology?Neelam ji://The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's correct reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our group and the response of the members to correct answers!Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here?blessings,Renu , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Renu-ji,> > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate> > regards> > Chakraborty> > ________________________________> On Behalf Of renunw> Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM> > Re: A blind chart> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some were quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I am sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's 'rights' and 'wrongs'.> > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)> > blessings,> > Renu> > <%40>, "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> >> > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in> > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details.> > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.> >> > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office> > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of> > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or> > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated mentally..> > but I believe in the saying that "Hard work never kills anybody..BUT WHY> > TAKE A CHANCE ?"> >> >> > What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection to 64th> > navamsa technique.> >> >> >> > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]> > Ve> > Rahu> > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve> > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2> > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo> > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]> > Li> > Vi Mo-1> > Ketu Mo Sat-4> > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7> >> >> > Yellow ; Rasi Chart> > Grey : navamsa> > Green : Transit> >> > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error may be> > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which sometime vary> > slightly from other softwares)> >> > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as well as> > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding 210> > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On that day> > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1> >> > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in transit.> > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in posting)> > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April 2010). But> > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)> >> > Other co-incidence I noticed is following> >> > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & cancer respectively.> > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer respectively. However> > what that should convey is not clear.> >> > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the quandaries / thinking> > are :> >> > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying vehicle) and> > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th lord..3rd> > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should give> > benefic results.> > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the person> > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. There also transit Jup> > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva shrapa.> > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or maturity of planets> > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be governed by Ketu.> > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves to Sagi.> > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that day, it was> > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in Sagi (in transit) ?> >> > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a separation/divorce case in> > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed that the person won> > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards for 1/2 years.> > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar manner....could have killed> > the person... but did not ?> >> > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this system, 1 year is allocated> > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be activated. So Jup is> > activated again.> >> > The problems I faced are :> >> > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? generally it is accepted> > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens on road. Then which> > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?> > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?> > c) How do we know that the person is okay ?> >> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > sreesog [sreesog@]> > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM> > <%40>> > Re: A blind chart> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that is causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he uses!) could also be a problem.> > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//> > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also points to correct event I think.> > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana year, the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-> > //Vimsottari Dasa:> >> > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)> > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)> > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)> > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)> >> > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th lord (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to happen - it seems.//> > We could see that -> > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)> > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)> > * Ju (6th lord; Accident)> > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)> > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)> >> > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself I think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct.> > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the interpretation I gave to the word "Sailagradabhighatane" [struck due to heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars combination. i.e. in the natal chart "Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th along with mars". My erroneous interpretation for that in the current horoscope was "fall from height", whereas the actual result was "Struck by a heavy high speed truck"!> > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.> > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the 'native will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this happened.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > <%40><%40>, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his> > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of> > > Birth is quite accurate)> > >> > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the comments.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> >> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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October 21, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

Thanks for your good words...but who is talking of humility here? I was off the

track...totally concentrating on a brother of the native!

Your 'spectacularly wrong answer' indeed was another piece of study though went

wrong on this particular instance.

Your write-ups are so much similar to our Sreeram ji's, which we miss a lot

nowadays!

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse she has

avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got " accident " right. Here I

give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:

>

> // May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny was

fatal/serious//

>

> So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh ji, D.D

Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be " Ladies first " as well. .

Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time and effort.

>

> Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.

>

> I also take this opportunity to give my self the " biggest loser " award for

having the most spectacularly wrong answer.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw <renunw

>

> Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM

> Re: A blind chart

>

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you have

mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be

performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was

correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So let me

congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me congratulate

you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for fall

could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or some

other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's

analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like

this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in answering.

> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be

> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with PD lord

> > mercury in 8H).*

> >

> > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA). Not

> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have relied

> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> >

> > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> >

> > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak aspecting

> > lagna.

> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in PKY.

> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak Saturn

> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H from

> > moon.

> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and

> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> >

> > *Dasha Indications*

> >

> > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan) and

> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by evil

> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is also 22DKN

> > and 64NAV lord.

> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual aspect

> > with Jup

> >

> > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I feel the

> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits are bad,

> > the native could face an adverse situation.

> >

> > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer, aspected by

> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna and Sun

> > is just about entering libra.

> >

> > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from this

> > attempt. Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Renu ji, You are absolutely right - and it is wonderful that you always find the courage to express the truth sincerely! My congrats to you for expressing this boldly and sincerely. Note: Yes, we are missing Sunil ji and Sreeram ji here - Sunil ji in Kerala for business purpose and Sreeram ji busy with work load and connectivity issues.Love and hugs,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty ji,> > Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a> reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us.> > I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of> encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with > accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members> expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it!> > Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer> given to the same quiz in KP forum.> > Lajmi ji:> //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a> life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some> length of time...//> > Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through> traditional astrology?> > Neelam ji:> //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for> which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//> > Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP> forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's correct> reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our> group and the response of the members to correct answers!> > Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here?> > blessings,> > Renu

October 21, 2009

Dear Renu Ji,

To be fair to myself, even though I did not get the quiz right, I am quite confident my analysis is accurate and that this period will indeed be a very good one for the children. Infact the fact that thier Loving Father escaped from such a serious accident itself is proof that this is an excellent period for his progeny. There are many ways to look at an incident and I just looked at it from a different angle. Infact Bohra Ji also looked at it from this angle, I believe.

Regards,

-Manoj

renunw <renunw Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 10:05:52 AM Re: A blind chart

Dear Manoj ji,Thanks for your good words...but who is talking of humility here? I was off the track...totally concentrating on a brother of the native!Your 'spectacularly wrong answer' indeed was another piece of study though went wrong on this particular instance.Your write-ups are so much similar to our Sreeram ji's, which we miss a lot nowadays!blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse she has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got "accident" right. Here I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:> > // May be the family met with an

accident and brother's destiny was fatal/serious/ /> > So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh ji, D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be "Ladies first" as well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time and effort.> > Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.> > I also take this opportunity to give my self the "biggest loser" award for having the most spectacularly wrong answer. > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM> [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: A blind chart> > > Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji> > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.> > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//> > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group? > > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident. Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was correct.> > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.> > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me congratulate you too for

your correct analysis on the 'happening'.> > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or some other similar watery place.// > > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.> > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.> > Well...our moderators are a pride to us! > > blessings,> > Renu> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > > > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in answering.> >

> > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be> > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with PD lord> > mercury in 8H).*> > > > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA). Not> > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have relied> > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.> > > > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*> > > > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak aspecting> > lagna.> > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in PKY.> > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)> > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu

chart.> > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak Saturn> > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H from> > moon.> > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and> > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.> > > > *Dasha Indications*> > > > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan) and> > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.> > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by evil> > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is also 22DKN> > and 64NAV lord.> > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual aspect> > with Jup> > > > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be

auspicious. I feel the> > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits are bad,> > the native could face an adverse situation.> > > > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer, aspected by> > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna and Sun> > is just about entering libra.> > > > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from this> > attempt. Thanks> > > > Regards> > Neelam> >>

October 21, 2009

Dear Renu ji,

It would be a misnomer to compare the KP Goup with this group. There are

at least a 80 active members there who participate regularly in the

discussions and maybe just more than that number, but no less.

And they do not go gaga over quizzes there. It is a regular affair

there. No winner of any Quiz expects laurels over there and neither many

words of appreciation. It is very natural for them to win or loose. By

the way Shri Lajmiji also does not care for laurels or brickbats. He is

too beyond these, and a blunt man not to be taken in by any

" chamchagiri " . I am sure he knows very well that those who do

chamchagiri on the forum will come back on his personal id asking for

free predictions.

How many members are active on this Group ? Not more than 15, or is

there a greater number ? So how much more appreciations is required ?

So please do not compare them with here. I think everybody has received

their due appreciations and none more is required. Let us not get

bloated with win in one single quiz. This is not going to Kargil and

taking a regiment of the opposition army.

By the way KP or Traditional, there is not much difference. But you may

speak these words after maybe two decades or so, or maybe not at all.

Do not try to pit Traditional astrology with other systems of approach,

when we are not sure about the contents in the other approach.

best wishes,'

Bhaskar.

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Chakraborty ji,

>

> Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a

> reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us.

>

> I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of

> encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with

> accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members

> expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it!

>

> Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer

> given to the same quiz in KP forum.

>

> Lajmi ji:

> //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a

> life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some

> length of time...//

>

> Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through

> traditional astrology?

>

> Neelam ji:

> //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for

> which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//

>

> Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP

> forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's

correct

> reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our

> group and the response of the members to correct answers!

>

> Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

, " Chakraborty, PL "

> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu-ji,

> >

> > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> On Behalf Of renunw

> > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM

> >

> > Re: A blind chart

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some

were

> quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it

> would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the

> analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me

> right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji,

> Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I

am

> sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's

> 'rights' and 'wrongs'.

> >

> > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > --- In

>

<\

\

> %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap

in

> > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in

details.

> > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.

> > >

> > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my

office

> > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position

of

> > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence

or

> > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated

> mentally..

> > > but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills

anybody..BUT

> WHY

> > > TAKE A CHANCE ? "

> > >

> > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible

connection

> to 64th

> > > navamsa technique.

> > >

> > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]

> > > Ve

> > > Rahu

> > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve

> > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 +

Ketu-2

> > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo

> > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]

> > > Li

> > > Vi Mo-1

> > > Ketu Mo Sat-4

> > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7

> > >

> > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart

> > > Grey : navamsa

> > > Green : Transit

> > >

> > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some

error

> may be

> > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which

> sometime vary

> > > slightly from other softwares)

> > >

> > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as

> well as

> > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus

(adding

> 210

> > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On

> that day

> > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1

> > >

> > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in

> transit.

> > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in

> posting)

> > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April

> 2010). But

> > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)

> > >

> > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following

> > >

> > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio &

> cancer respectively.

> > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer

> respectively. However

> > > what that should convey is not clear.

> > >

> > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the

> quandaries / thinking

> > > are :

> > >

> > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying

> vehicle) and

> > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th

> lord..3rd

> > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup

should

> give

> > > benefic results.

> > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the

> person

> > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train.

> There also transit Jup

> > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as

Deva

> shrapa.

> > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or

> maturity of planets

> > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be

> governed by Ketu.

> > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it

moves

> to Sagi.

> > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that

> day, it was

> > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in

> Sagi (in transit) ?

> > >

> > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a

> separation/divorce case in

> > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed

> that the person won

> > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards

> for 1/2 years.

> > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar

> manner....could have killed

> > > the person... but did not ?

> > >

> > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this

> system, 1 year is allocated

> > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be

> activated. So Jup is

> > > activated again.

> > >

> > > The problems I faced are :

> > >

> > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ?

> generally it is accepted

> > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens

> on road. Then which

> > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?

> > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big

> vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?

> > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ?

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Chakraborty

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > sreesog [sreesog@]

> > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM

> > > To:

>

<\

\

> %40>

> > > Re: A blind chart

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the

> previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that

is

> causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he

> uses!) could also be a problem.

> > > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//

> > > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also

> points to correct event I think.

> > > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana

year,

> the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-

> > > //Vimsottari Dasa:

> > >

> > > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)

> > > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)

> > > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> > > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> > > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)

> > > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)

> > >

> > > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th

lord

> (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord

> Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th).

> Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound)

> itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to

> happen - it seems.//

> > > We could see that -

> > > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)

> > > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)

> > > * Ju (6th lord; Accident)

> > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)

> > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)

> > >

> > > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself

I

> think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct.

> > > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the

> interpretation I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck due

to

> heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of

> tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars

> combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th

along

> with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the current

> horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was

" Struck

> by a heavy high speed truck " !

> > > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in

> pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought

> that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native

> falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.

> > > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the

'native

> will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting

> hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this

> happened.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

>

<\

\

>

%40><%40>,

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his

> > > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of

> > > > Birth is quite accurate)

> > > >

> > > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the

comments.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > >

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October 21, 2009

Dear Renu ji, Thanks for the nice compilation that relieved the burden of this task from Chakraborty ji. Thanks. We missed you for long, and when you are back, you are back with a bang! You makes your presence felt, interaction flowing and group become more lively. I join hands with you in appreciating all who predicted correctly and my special congrats to Neelam ji. Love and hugs,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>

Re: A blind chart

Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie jiCongratulations

Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you have mentioned

the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.//the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group? Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident. Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was correct.DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.Sreenadh

ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me congratulate

you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.//So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or some other similar watery place.// You

and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's

analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.We

should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like

this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology. Well...our moderators are a pride to us! blessings,Renu

October 21, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

I totally agree!

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Renu Ji,

>

> To be fair to myself, even though I did not get the quiz right, I am quite

confident my analysis is accurate and that this period will indeed be a very

good one for the children. Infact the fact that thier Loving Father escaped from

such a serious accident itself is proof that this is an excellent period for his

progeny. There are many ways to look at an incident and I just looked at it from

a different angle. Infact Bohra Ji also looked at it from this angle, I believe.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw <renunw

>

> Wed, October 21, 2009 10:05:52 AM

> Re: A blind chart

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> Thanks for your good words...but who is talking of humility here? I was off

the track...totally concentrating on a brother of the native!

>

> Your 'spectacularly wrong answer' indeed was another piece of study though

went wrong on this particular instance.

>

> Your write-ups are so much similar to our Sreeram ji's, which we miss a lot

nowadays!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I second this congratulations by Renu Ji and out of humility ofcourse she

has avoided mentioning her own name amongst those who got " accident " right. Here

I give below Renu Ji's assessment summary:

> >

> > // May be the family met with an accident and brother's destiny was

fatal/serious/ /

> >

> > So congratulations to Anjelina Jolie ji, Neelam ji, Renu Ji, Sreenadh ji,

D.D Trivedi ji in alphabetical order . It so happens to be " Ladies first " as

well. . Also a special thanks to Chakraborty Ji for his time and effort.

> >

> > Apologies for any one else I might have forgotten.

> >

> > I also take this opportunity to give my self the " biggest loser " award for

having the most spectacularly wrong answer.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > renunw <renunw@>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wed, October 21, 2009 6:46:46 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

> >

> > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you

have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.

> >

> > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be

performed.//

> >

> > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

> >

> > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if this was

correct.

> >

> > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioneda fall...a kind of accident. So let me

congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

> >

> > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

> >

> > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for

fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in bathroom or

some other similar watery place.//

> >

> > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's

analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.

> >

> > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like

this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.

> >

> > Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for the delay in

answering.

> > >

> > > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> > > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to

be

> > > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous disorder (sun with PD

lord

> > > mercury in 8H).*

> > >

> > > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA).

Not

> > > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct time, but have relied

> > > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using varga charts.

> > >

> > > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.*

> > >

> > > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated double Marak aspecting

> > > lagna.

> > > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both lagna and LL are in PKY.

> > > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L (mer-ven)

> > > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart.

> > > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, retro marak Saturn

> > > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from 7H. Mars in 8H from

> > > moon.

> > > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and

> > > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing longevity.

> > >

> > > *Dasha Indications*

> > >

> > > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H (maraksthan) and

> > > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close degrees.

> > > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and disposited by evil

> > > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L venus. Saturn is also

22DKN

> > > and 64NAV lord.

> > > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It is in mutual aspect

> > > with Jup

> > >

> > > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be auspicious. I feel the

> > > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak and transits are bad,

> > > the native could face an adverse situation.

> > >

> > > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in Cancer, aspected by

> > > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in 12H from lagna and

Sun

> > > is just about entering libra.

> > >

> > > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills and learn from this

> > > attempt. Thanks

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Neelam ji, //One who wins might get a chocolate, but the learning is much more

for the one who has gone wrong. He only gets the real advantage of the

exercise.// Well said! //> And the beauty of astrology is that no one can be right at all times and no> one can be wrong at all times. (flukes included) :-)// Ha..Ha.. You are right! I enjoyed it! //> You are right about Renu ji and her humility. She's indeed a wonderful> person. Much to learn from her.// I agree with you completely - She is simply great! Loving, affectionate, sincere and compassionate! Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > Bhaskar ji is right. There is nothing like losing here. These quizzes must> be taken as play way learning modules.> > One who wins might get a chocolate, but the learning is much more for the> one who has gone wrong. He only gets the real advantage of the exercise.> And the beauty of astrology is that no one can be right at all times and no> one can be wrong at all times. (flukes included) :-)> So enjoy the fun and learn as much as you can!> > You are right about Renu ji and her humility. She's indeed a wonderful> person. Much to learn from her.> > Regards> Neelam

October 21, 2009

Dear Manoj ji, You are the back born of the group - the facilitator. So just forget the momentary sense of wins and loses - it is the learning that matters. If we could learn to accept the wins with no extra pride, then certainly we can courageously 'face' the errors and losses and then the individual become natural, balanced and a beauty to be together with! Inablity to face the losses will usually reflect as extra pride in wins as well - and all that is usually a sign of immaturity; an yet to evolve soul. We should never take us too seriously so that we would fail to laugh at our own mistakes! Nothing is serious (life itself is not serious) and if we can't laugh at ourselves, whom or what we would be able to laugh at! We should always be able to laugh at our mistakes, so that life will become more enjoyable and a smile will always remain on the lips and a twinkling brightness in the eyes. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji,> > That was just me trying be funny !!! I dont take myself that seriously so I can laugh at my mistakes. But I do take Jyotish very seriously, so there is a lot to learn. But well begun is half done !!!> > Regards,> -Manoj

October 21, 2009

Dear Renu ji and Manoj ji, I enjoyed this mail a lot - especially the second and third lines. As you srinivas ji is my favorite and the dearest friend. Love and hugs,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > Thanks for your good words...but who is talking of humility here? I was off the track...totally concentrating on a brother of the native!> > Your 'spectacularly wrong answer' indeed was another piece of study though went wrong on this particular instance.> > Your write-ups are so much similar to our Sreeram ji's, which we miss a lot nowadays!> > blessings,> > Renu

October 21, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,

If my posts appeared like a comparison between AIA & KP group, I apologize.

What prompted me to write likewise was your following words:

//For Information of all-

From the KP Group which is the other Group where this same Quiz was

presented, and where one would find many stalwarts, Shri Yogesh Rao

Lajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the accident for this

native, ........................

Hats off to him. He is great.

Unfortunately he is no more here, in this Group.//

I know how much you respect Neelam ji's knowledge but was surprised when you

wrote that Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the

accident. As far as I understand I don't see any difference between Neelam ji's

and Shri Lajmi ji's predictions on this particular case. Hence I thought it was

my duty to remind our group of this.

Sure, it is unfortunate that he left this group since we could have learned from

him. But still we are fortunate to have great astrologers like Neelam ji and a

few others in this group. I refrain from naming them [including you] lest you

may think I " chamchagiri " [buttering..is it not?...or have I understood the word

wrongly?] them.

blessings,

Renu

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> It would be a misnomer to compare the KP Goup with this group. There are

> at least a 80 active members there who participate regularly in the

> discussions and maybe just more than that number, but no less.

>

> And they do not go gaga over quizzes there. It is a regular affair

> there. No winner of any Quiz expects laurels over there and neither many

> words of appreciation. It is very natural for them to win or loose. By

> the way Shri Lajmiji also does not care for laurels or brickbats. He is

> too beyond these, and a blunt man not to be taken in by any

> " chamchagiri " . I am sure he knows very well that those who do

> chamchagiri on the forum will come back on his personal id asking for

> free predictions.

>

> How many members are active on this Group ? Not more than 15, or is

> there a greater number ? So how much more appreciations is required ?

>

> So please do not compare them with here. I think everybody has received

> their due appreciations and none more is required. Let us not get

> bloated with win in one single quiz. This is not going to Kargil and

> taking a regiment of the opposition army.

>

> By the way KP or Traditional, there is not much difference. But you may

> speak these words after maybe two decades or so, or maybe not at all.

>

> Do not try to pit Traditional astrology with other systems of approach,

> when we are not sure about the contents in the other approach.

>

> best wishes,'

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> >

> > Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a

> > reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us.

> >

> > I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of

> > encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with

> > accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members

> > expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it!

> >

> > Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer

> > given to the same quiz in KP forum.

> >

> > Lajmi ji:

> > //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a

> > life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some

> > length of time...//

> >

> > Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through

> > traditional astrology?

> >

> > Neelam ji:

> > //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for

> > which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//

> >

> > Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP

> > forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's

> correct

> > reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our

> > group and the response of the members to correct answers!

> >

> > Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here?

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Chakraborty, PL "

> > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu-ji,

> > >

> > > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Chakraborty

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > On Behalf Of renunw

> > > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM

> > >

> > > Re: A blind chart

> > >

> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some

> were

> > quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it

> > would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the

> > analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me

> > right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji,

> > Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I

> am

> > sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's

> > 'rights' and 'wrongs'.

> > >

> > > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > --- In

> >

> <\

> \

> > %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap

> in

> > > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in

> details.

> > > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.

> > > >

> > > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my

> office

> > > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position

> of

> > > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence

> or

> > > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated

> > mentally..

> > > > but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills

> anybody..BUT

> > WHY

> > > > TAKE A CHANCE ? "

> > > >

> > > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible

> connection

> > to 64th

> > > > navamsa technique.

> > > >

> > > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]

> > > > Ve

> > > > Rahu

> > > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve

> > > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 +

> Ketu-2

> > > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo

> > > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]

> > > > Li

> > > > Vi Mo-1

> > > > Ketu Mo Sat-4

> > > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7

> > > >

> > > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart

> > > > Grey : navamsa

> > > > Green : Transit

> > > >

> > > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some

> error

> > may be

> > > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which

> > sometime vary

> > > > slightly from other softwares)

> > > >

> > > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as

> > well as

> > > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus

> (adding

> > 210

> > > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On

> > that day

> > > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1

> > > >

> > > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in

> > transit.

> > > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in

> > posting)

> > > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April

> > 2010). But

> > > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)

> > > >

> > > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following

> > > >

> > > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio &

> > cancer respectively.

> > > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer

> > respectively. However

> > > > what that should convey is not clear.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the

> > quandaries / thinking

> > > > are :

> > > >

> > > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying

> > vehicle) and

> > > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th

> > lord..3rd

> > > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup

> should

> > give

> > > > benefic results.

> > > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the

> > person

> > > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train.

> > There also transit Jup

> > > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as

> Deva

> > shrapa.

> > > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or

> > maturity of planets

> > > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be

> > governed by Ketu.

> > > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it

> moves

> > to Sagi.

> > > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that

> > day, it was

> > > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in

> > Sagi (in transit) ?

> > > >

> > > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a

> > separation/divorce case in

> > > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed

> > that the person won

> > > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards

> > for 1/2 years.

> > > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar

> > manner....could have killed

> > > > the person... but did not ?

> > > >

> > > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this

> > system, 1 year is allocated

> > > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be

> > activated. So Jup is

> > > > activated again.

> > > >

> > > > The problems I faced are :

> > > >

> > > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ?

> > generally it is accepted

> > > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens

> > on road. Then which

> > > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?

> > > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big

> > vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?

> > > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Chakraborty

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > sreesog [sreesog@]

> > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM

> > > > To:

> >

> <\

> \

> > %40>

> > > > Re: A blind chart

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the

> > previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that

> is

> > causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he

> > uses!) could also be a problem.

> > > > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//

> > > > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also

> > points to correct event I think.

> > > > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana

> year,

> > the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-

> > > > //Vimsottari Dasa:

> > > >

> > > > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)

> > > > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)

> > > > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> > > > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)

> > > > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)

> > > > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)

> > > >

> > > > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th

> lord

> > (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord

> > Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th).

> > Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound)

> > itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to

> > happen - it seems.//

> > > > We could see that -

> > > > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)

> > > > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)

> > > > * Ju (6th lord; Accident)

> > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)

> > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)

> > > >

> > > > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself

> I

> > think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct.

> > > > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the

> > interpretation I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck due

> to

> > heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of

> > tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars

> > combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th

> along

> > with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the current

> > horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was

> " Struck

> > by a heavy high speed truck " !

> > > > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in

> > pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought

> > that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native

> > falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.

> > > > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the

> 'native

> > will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting

> > hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this

> > happened.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> >

> <\

> \

> >

> %40><%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his

> > > > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of

> > > > > Birth is quite accurate)

> > > > >

> > > > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the

> comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > >

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October 21, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks...

//You make your presence felt//

Naturally ....when we get to live in a male dominant society!

blessings,

Renu

, " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> Thanks for the nice compilation that relieved the burden of this task

> from Chakraborty ji. Thanks. [] We missed you for long, and when

> you are back, you are back with a bang! [] You makes your presence

> felt, interaction flowing and group become more lively. []

> I join hands with you in appreciating all who predicted correctly and

> my special congrats to Neelam ji.

> Love and hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> Re: A blind chart

> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji

>

> Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you

> have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.

>

> //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health

> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had

> to be performed.//

>

> Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?

>

> Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.

> Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if

> this was correct.

>

> DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let

> me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.

>

> Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me

> congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.

>

> //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for

> fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in

> bathroom or some other similar watery place.//

>

> You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's

> analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.

>

> We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like

> this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.

>

> Well...our moderators are a pride to us!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

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