Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid wrote: Astrology is Vedic - Clear answer. -------- 1. Every body knows that the 27 stellar mansions are mentioned in Vedas. Let it be from Krithika or Asvini they are called Nakshatras (fixed stellar divisions). Once Sayana year commenced in Mrigasira, and then in Krithika and the like, amply proves that the movement of equinox was noted and understood by the Vedic Rishis. As Sayana Calendar was used for fixing agriculture related Yagas, festivals etc, this Sayana Calendar commencing from equinox would had been used. The salient point to be noted here is: Even the movement of equinox was noted based on the fixed stellar mansions called Nakshatras. That means a Nakshatra-Chakra (Sidereal Year System) was already in use! The Sayana system was just secondary to that already present sidereal zodiac. It is absurd to speak of the Nakshatras beginning with vernal equinox whether it is Asvini or Krithika. If Krithika was the appellation given to the Nakshatra of vernal equinox, how can we identify the Nakshatra? If nakshatra division starts with the vernal equinox how can we say that the vernal equinox *traverse* through Nakshatras and Rasis? The plenty evidence in favor of the movement of vernal equinox through Nakshatras, point to the existence of well developed and systematic Nirayana (sidereal) system in Vedic period. Otherwise how can it be said that once the vernal equinox was in Mrigasira and then in Krithika? If stellar divisions start with vernal equinox and if the counting is started from Krithika or Asvini, the Vernal equinox will be always in that Nakshatra only!! 2. Predictions related to Birth-star is present in Adharva Veda. Adharva Veda states there would be troubles in the home of one born in Moola star. This is another clear indication for the fact that, apart from Sayana Calendar that was used for agricultural purposes, a Nirayana Calendar based on Sidereal Zodiac was in use. (There was only one Zodiac - Sidereal Zodiac. But 2 Calendar systems were in use - Sayana and Nirayana. Don't mix up the Zodiac and the Calendar phenomena. Zodiac is the fixed background in which Calendar phenomena such as movement of equinox, planets etc take place, and the year system base upon) 3. Surya sidhantha (by Maya) is the first authentic Sidhantic text of Nirayana astrology. It takes the Yuga system as its base. Any system that finds its base in Yuga rationale is a Nirayana system. Yuga system is nothing but a theory on Ayanamsa and Zodiac. (Study the works of C_Hari it will become clear to you). We should remember that Mahabharatha, Ramayana, Puranas etc refer to Yuga system. That means Sidereal zodiac and Nirayana astrology was there in use in Epic period of Mahabharatha and Ramayana as well. 4. Nirayana system (Sidereal Zodiac) provides us with a fixed (constant) framework to note the movements in sky and except the Nirayana system none gives it. In that sense it is much advanced and systematic than Sayana system, which bases itself on a moving framework and which has got 2 points of equal importance vis Vernal and Autumnal Equinox. It is clear that both these calendar systems existed in Vedic period. 5. Any point in a circle can serve the purpose of a zero point and an intelligent person can develop a system based on any of those points. Such system may give accurate results for a short period. But if one wants to have a system that gives accurate results for long, i.e. even generation after generations, he should depend on a point that has got some special importance. Only the Nirayana Zero point and the Vernal/Autumnal equinoxes of the Sayana system qualify for this. And that is why only these two systems existed in Vedic period. As the Nirayana system gives only one point of unique importance and gives us a fixed framework to assess the movements upon, it should be better for predicting destiny than the sayana system. Of course (as proved by evidences from Vedic literature) Sayana system is better to be used for the purpose of Agriculture calendar, Climate studies and fixing of Yaga timings and festivals that are related to agriculture and climatic changes. Please try to deny and destroy all these arguments before saying that 'Vedic astrology is not Vedic at all'. With warm regards, Sreenadh --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Dear Srinadhji, Namaskar! I did enjyoy reading your nice treatise on 'astrology is vedic.' Perhaps the summary of all that you wrote is the following sentences. < Only the Nirayana Zero point and the Vernal/Autumnal equinoxes of the Sayana system qualify for this. And that is why only these two systems existed in Vedic period.> If you permit,I would like to add that the vedic system was only one and not two but it did coordinate both the above two concepts you have mentioned. This is clear from the 6th verse of yajur vedanga jyotish which you well know, 'Sorakramete somarkau...'ie When the sun and the moon are in dhanistha nakshyatra then the five year yuga, month of maagha, tapa sukla(pakshya) and uttaryan start together. You will see that, 'when the sun is in dhanistha',it means the nirayan zero point. And 'uttarayan' means equivalent to equinox of the sayan system as you have mentioned above. 'start together' means the two concepts are coordinated. What is it that coordinates them? Of course the main civil date of those days,Maagha sukla pratipada(or tapa sukla pratipada as the same lunar date). How does it coordiante them? By covering both the dates- the nirayan and the sayan during the fluctuation of the lunar maagha sukla pratipada over the period of every two and half years. Thus the one vedic system covers both the nirayan and the sayan concepts simultneously.This same concept was continued by even the Sidhanta jyotish, which is clear from the statement of Barahmihir in his Brihad samhita, Adityacharadhyaya, first sloka. Please ponder well. thank you. Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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