Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Kursija ji and all, For more clarity on 'Navamsaka based longevity calculation system', I am presenting here one more example chart and calculation. I hope that this example will make our calculation approach more systematic.====================== Example – Rajiv Gandhi Let us take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi, and apply longevity calculations to this chart in a systematic manner – so that the method will become clearer to us. Date of Birth: 20-08-1944; 6.34 AM, Bombay Date of Death: 21-05-1991 Actual longevity = 46 years 09 months 01 days Ayanamsa used: Surya Siddhanta Ayanamsa (Chandrahari Ayanamsa) Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 5 Le 14' 59.48" Magh 2 Le Ta Sun - GK 3 Le 04' 19.56" Magh 1 Le Ar Moon - MK 16 Le 07' 01.51" PPha 1 Le Le Mars - DK 0 Vi 27' 30.76" UPha 2 Vi Cp Mercury - AmK 27 Le 49' 53.16" UPha 1 Le Sg Jupiter - PK 11 Le 28' 22.18" Magh 4 Le Cn Venus - BK 17 Le 54' 14.53" PPha 2 Le Vi Saturn - PiK 13 Ge 29' 21.99" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Rahu - AK 2 Cn 04' 59.82" Puna 4 Cn Cn Ketu 2 Cp 04' 59.82" USha 2 Cp Cp Gulika 13 Sg 38' 20.16" PSha 1 Sg Le Step –I (Applying the standard calculation) L = P/200 Sl Gaha Sputa Standard longevity 1 Asc 04-05-14 01.57 2 Su 04-03-04 00.92 3 Mo 04-16-07 04.835 4 Ma 05-00-27 09.135 5 Me 04-27-49 08.345 6 Ju 04-11-28 03.44 7 Ve 04-17-54 05.37 8 Sa 02-13-29 10.045 9 Ra 03-02-04 03.62 10 Ke 09-02-04 09.62 Total 56.9 Step II (Adding Longevity) a) As per Swatungadi rule I have considered Parasara Drekkana here. Sun is in own house, own Drekkana. Avoiding multiple multiplications, multiplied only once by twoJu is in own Drekkana, therefore multiplied by twoSa is in own navamsa, therefore multiplied by twoRa is in vargottama, therefore multiplied by twoKe is in vargottama, therefore multiplied by two b) Adding Lagnayu Lagnamsayu = 01.57 Lagnayu = 4.17 Resultant Lagnayu = (01.57+4.17)/2 = 2.87 The results of both the above calculations are given in the following table. Sl Gaha Standard longevity After Addition 1 Asc 01.57 02.87 2 Su 00.92 01.84 3 Mo 04.835 04.835 4 Ma 09.135 09.135 5 Me 08.345 08.345 6 Ju 03.44 06.88 7 Ve 05.37 05.37 8 Sa 10.045 20.09 9 Ra 03.62 07.24 10 Ke 09.62 19.24 56.9 85.845 Step III (Deducting Longevity) There are a total of 4 deductions – Drisyardha harana, Amsayu harana, Satru Kshetra harana, moudhya harana a) Drisyartha harana Ra is in 12th, therefore total longevity indicated by Rahu should be droppedSa a malefic is in 11th. So half of the longevity indicated by Saturn should be deductedKe a malefic is in 7th. So 1/6th of the longevity indicated by Ke should be deducted b) Amsayu harana A major malefic Sun is in lagna. So the whole of Lagnayu should be deducted Lagna is in 2nd Navamsa (i.e. N=2). Since a major malefic Sun is in lagna, deduction as per the following formula should be applied to all planets. Longevity = L - Lx N/108 Where L is the longevity indicated by the planet and N is the navamsa count of Lagna – i.e. two in this case. c) Saturkshetra harana Ma is in enemy house. So 1/3rd of longevity provided by Ma should be deductedVe is in enemy house. So 1/3rd of longevity provided by Ve should be deducted d) Moudhya harana Ju is combust. So 1/2nd of the longevity provided by Ju should be deductedSince Mo is near to Sun, moudhya harana applied to Moon as well. The results arrived at after all of the 4 deductions mentioned above is given in the following table. Sl Gaha After Addition After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana 1 Asc 02.87 02.87 0 0 0 2 Su 01.84 01.84 01.806 01.806 01.806 3 Mo 04.835 04.835 04.745 04.745 2.3725 4 Ma 09.135 09.135 8.9658 5.9772 5.9772 5 Me 08.345 08.345 8.19 8.19 8.19 6 Ju 06.88 06.88 6.7526 6.7526 3.3763 7 Ve 05.37 05.37 5.27 3.51 3.51 8 Sa 20.09 10.045 9.859 9.859 9.859 9 Ra 07.24 0 0 0 0 10 Ke 19.24 16.0333 15.736 15.736 15.736 85.845 65.3533 61.3244 56.5758 50.8227 Thus on review, for Rejiv Gandhi's chart – Maximum expected longevity = 50 years 9 months 26 days Actual longevity = 46 years 09 months 01 days ====================== I request Kursija ji and Neelam ji to apply this system to some more example charts - and provide us with more inputs to learn and understand this system in a better way.Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Sh.Sreenadh ji, Thanks for sparing time. But I will like to point out that what you mean by ak.,bk. amk etc. What value they carry for the calculation of Amshayu? You have included Rahu, Ketu and Gulika as contributer of ayu, any observation. More over you have carried bharana first and harana afterward. Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana. Though Kakyanaverma, Dr.,B.V.Raman and K.N. Rao has carried bharana first.--- On Tue, 11/10/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote: sreesog <sreesog Re: Amshayu example - Rajiv Gandhi Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 12:07 PM Dear Kursija ji and all, For more clarity on 'Navamsaka based longevity calculation system', I am presenting here one more example chart and calculation. I hope that this example will make our calculation approach more systematic.====================== Example – Rajiv Gandhi Let us take the chart of Rajiv Gandhi, and apply longevity calculations to this chart in a systematic manner – so that the method will become clearer to us. Date of Birth: 20-08-1944 ; 6.34 AM, Bombay Date of Death: 21-05-1991 Actual longevity = 46 years 09 months 01 days Ayanamsa used: Surya Siddhanta Ayanamsa (Chandrahari Ayanamsa) Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 5 Le 14' 59.48" Magh 2 Le Ta Sun - GK 3 Le 04' 19.56" Magh 1 Le Ar Moon - MK 16 Le 07' 01.51" PPha 1 Le Le Mars - DK 0 Vi 27' 30.76" UPha 2 Vi Cp Mercury - AmK 27 Le 49' 53.16" UPha 1 Le Sg Jupiter - PK 11 Le 28' 22.18" Magh 4 Le Cn Venus - BK 17 Le 54' 14.53" PPha 2 Le Vi Saturn - PiK 13 Ge 29' 21.99" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Rahu - AK 2 Cn 04' 59.82" Puna 4 Cn Cn Ketu 2 Cp 04' 59.82" USha 2 Cp Cp Gulika 13 Sg 38' 20.16" PSha 1 Sg Le Step –I (Applying the standard calculation) L = P/200 Sl Gaha Sputa Standard longevity 1 Asc 04-05-14 01.57 2 Su 04-03-04 00.92 3 Mo 04-16-07 04.835 4 Ma 05-00-27 09.135 5 Me 04-27-49 08.345 6 Ju 04-11-28 03.44 7 Ve 04-17-54 05.37 8 Sa 02-13-29 10.045 9 Ra 03-02-04 03.62 10 Ke 09-02-04 09.62 Total 56.9 Step II (Adding Longevity) a) As per Swatungadi rule I have considered Parasara Drekkana here. Sun is in own house, own Drekkana. Avoiding multiple multiplications, multiplied only once by two Ju is in own Drekkana, therefore multiplied by two Sa is in own navamsa, therefore multiplied by two Ra is in vargottama, therefore multiplied by two Ke is in vargottama, therefore multiplied by two b) Adding Lagnayu Lagnamsayu = 01.57 Lagnayu = 4.17 Resultant Lagnayu = (01.57+4.17)/2 = 2.87 The results of both the above calculations are given in the following table. Sl Gaha Standard longevity After Addition 1 Asc 01.57 02.87 2 Su 00.92 01.84 3 Mo 04.835 04.835 4 Ma 09.135 09.135 5 Me 08.345 08.345 6 Ju 03.44 06.88 7 Ve 05.37 05.37 8 Sa 10.045 20.09 9 Ra 03.62 07.24 10 Ke 09.62 19.24 56.9 85.845 Step III (Deducting Longevity) There are a total of 4 deductions – Drisyardha harana, Amsayu harana, Satru Kshetra harana, moudhya harana a) Drisyartha harana Ra is in 12th, therefore total longevity indicated by Rahu should be dropped Sa a malefic is in 11th. So half of the longevity indicated by Saturn should be deducted Ke a malefic is in 7th. So 1/6th of the longevity indicated by Ke should be deducted b) Amsayu harana A major malefic Sun is in lagna. So the whole of Lagnayu should be deducted Lagna is in 2nd Navamsa (i.e. N=2). Since a major malefic Sun is in lagna, deduction as per the following formula should be applied to all planets. Longevity = L - Lx N/108 Where L is the longevity indicated by the planet and N is the navamsa count of Lagna – i.e. two in this case. c) Saturkshetra harana Ma is in enemy house. So 1/3rd of longevity provided by Ma should be deducted Ve is in enemy house. So 1/3rd of longevity provided by Ve should be deducted d) Moudhya harana Ju is combust. So 1/2nd of the longevity provided by Ju should be deducted Since Mo is near to Sun, moudhya harana applied to Moon as well. The results arrived at after all of the 4 deductions mentioned above is given in the following table. Sl Gaha After Addition After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana 1 Asc 02.87 02.87 0 0 0 2 Su 01.84 01.84 01.806 01.806 01.806 3 Mo 04.835 04.835 04.745 04.745 2.3725 4 Ma 09.135 09.135 8.9658 5.9772 5.9772 5 Me 08.345 08.345 8.19 8.19 8.19 6 Ju 06.88 06.88 6.7526 6.7526 3.3763 7 Ve 05.37 05.37 5.27 3.51 3.51 8 Sa 20.09 10.045 9.859 9.859 9.859 9 Ra 07.24 0 0 0 0 10 Ke 19.24 16.0333 15.736 15.736 15.736 85.845 65.3533 61.3244 56.5758 50.8227 Thus on review, for Rejiv Gandhi's chart – Maximum expected longevity = 50 years 9 months 26 days Actual longevity = 46 years 09 months 01 days====================== I request Kursija ji and Neelam ji to apply this system to some more example charts - and provide us with more inputs to learn and understand this system in a better way.Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, Ha..Ha.. That is just a copy- past of planetary longitudes from JHora only and nothing else. Of course I need the longitude of planets to do all those calculations, but all the jaimini ak, amk, bk etc is all irrelevant to me. They just came along with the JHora copy-paste of planetary longitudes - that is all to it. You can just ignore it. //You have included Rahu, Ketu and Gulika as contributer of ayu, any observation. // Ofcourse Rahu and Ketu also contributes to Longivity, but certainly not Gulika. I haven't considered gulika in those calculations as well. Please don't get misguided. //More over you have carried bharana first and harana afterward. Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana.// I don't have any specific opinion about whether Bharana or Harana should be carried out first. It is just that while trying to present things systematically and while looking for the rules related to Amsayu calculation, I happened find things in this order and so presented them in that order. Nothing else. If someone wants to apply Harana first and Bharana second and arrives at near to truth results, then I appreciate it and would be happy to follow that as well. We are all learning together - right? I am as much a kid to this longevity calculation system as you are. Actually the subject presentation order followed by Brihat jataka even seems to suggest that Harana should be carried out first and then Bharana. But it is also true that when we try to learn this system in an orderly manner from Brihat Jataka, the first things that fall in our eye (after the amsayurdaya sloka) are quotes about Bharana and then only we will identify that Harana also needs to be done. Me too (most possibly just like KNR, BVR etc) just happened to learn/look-into those quotes in Brihat Jataka in that order and so presented those calculations in the order I learned them. That is the only reason for me presenting Bharana first and Harana second - and nothing else. //Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana.// I haven't looked into those verses of Parasara. Also I would like to know who are the 'others' you are pointing to. Please provide further info. I have written that article, based on Brihat Jataka and Rishi hora quotes provided in Hridyapatha commentary of Brihat Jataka (written by Kaikulangara Rama varyar). Hope this clarifies. I don't have anything against doing Harana first and Bharana second if it gives better results, and actually considering the order of quotes presented in Brihat Jataka I even feel that doing Harana first and Bharana second is the method suggested by sages and acharyas. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Sh.Sreenadh ji,> Thanks for sparing time. But I will like to point out that what you mean by ak.,bk. amk etc. What value they carry for the calculation of Amshayu? You have included Rahu, Ketu and Gulika as contributer of ayu, any observation. More over you have carried bharana first and harana afterward. Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana. Though Kakyanaverma, Dr.,B.V.Raman and K.N. Rao has carried bharana first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Sh.Sreenadh ji, Thanks for the clarifications. Love and regards.--- On Tue, 11/10/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote: sreesog <sreesog Re: Amshayu example - Rajiv Gandhi Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:53 PM Dear Kursija ji, Ha..Ha.. That is just a copy- past of planetary longitudes from JHora only and nothing else. Of course I need the longitude of planets to do all those calculations, but all the jaimini ak, amk, bk etc is all irrelevant to me. They just came along with the JHora copy-paste of planetary longitudes - that is all to it. You can just ignore it. :)//You have included Rahu, Ketu and Gulika as contributer of ayu, any observation. // Ofcourse Rahu and Ketu also contributes to Longivity, but certainly not Gulika. I haven't considered gulika in those calculations as well. Please don't get misguided. //More over you have carried bharana first and harana afterward. Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana.// I don't have any specific opinion about whether Bharana or Harana should be carried out first. It is just that while trying to present things systematically and while looking for the rules related to Amsayu calculation, I happened find things in this order and so presented them in that order. Nothing else. If someone wants to apply Harana first and Bharana second and arrives at near to truth results, then I appreciate it and would be happy to follow that as well. We are all learning together - right? I am as much a kid to this longevity calculation system as you are. Actually the subject presentation order followed by Brihat jataka even seems to suggest that Harana should be carried out first and then Bharana. But it is also true that when we try to learn this system in an orderly manner from Brihat Jataka, the first things that fall in our eye (after the amsayurdaya sloka) are quotes about Bharana and then only we will identify that Harana also needs to be done. Me too (most possibly just like KNR, BVR etc) just happened to learn/look-into those quotes in Brihat Jataka in that order and so presented those calculations in the order I learned them. That is the only reason for me presenting Bharana first and Harana second - and nothing else. :)//Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana.// I haven't looked into those verses of Parasara. Also I would like to know who are the 'others' you are pointing to. Please provide further info. I have written that article, based on Brihat Jataka and Rishi hora quotes provided in Hridyapatha commentary of Brihat Jataka (written by Kaikulangara Rama varyar). Hope this clarifies. I don't have anything against doing Harana first and Bharana second if it gives better results, and actually considering the order of quotes presented in Brihat Jataka I even feel that doing Harana first and Bharana second is the method suggested by sages and acharyas.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Sh.Sreenadh ji,> Thanks for sparing time. But I will like to point out that what you mean by ak.,bk. amk etc. What value they carry for the calculation of Amshayu? You have included Rahu, Ketu and Gulika as contributer of ayu, any observation. More over you have carried bharana first and harana afterward. Sage Parashar and others have clearly said the there should be first harana and then bharana. Though Kakyanaverma, Dr.,B.V.Raman and K.N. Rao has carried bharana first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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