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kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag wrote:

 

Dear Vishnu,

 

Let us forget about what others do & say and focus on something that is worthy

for astrologers.

 

Kuja Dosha: We are back to this again.

 

There are two distinct aspects here

1) Dosha for Compatability checking

2) Dosha of the same planet that affect ones life.

 

Both the Astrologer and the natives should understand this ditinction very

specificaly before taking any descision.

 

Compatabilty checking we first of all decide whether a chart if " Papa Jataka " or

not.

 

This is done as follows

 

Male Horoscope:

a) Malefic in the 7th of lagna

b) Malefic in the 7th of Moon

c) Malefic in the 7th of Venus

 

Female Horoscope

All the above + Malefic in the 8th of Lagna, Moon and Venus

 

Saturn, Mars & Sun are give 1 point each while Rahu / Ketu is given 1/2 points.

 

Both the Horoscope should match these points idealy. But Male horoscope can have

1 point more than the female horoscope.

 

In the female horoscope, if a malafic planet is in the 7th or 8th, male

horoscope should have similar (tathulya papi) malefic in the 7th (pls note that

it should not be 8th in the male horoscope).

 

The " tathulya " relates to tatva of the planet - agni tatva (mars, sun,

ketu) should be matched with agni tatwa, vayu  tatwa should be matched with

vayu tatva (Saturn, Rahu).

 

tathulya also refers to the strength of the planet- shadbala / rashmi bala. but

this considered only when in doubt or in cotrovercy.

 

Exceptions - Apavada given for the doshas should also be considered while

deciding on the matching.

 

Malefic's in the 4th & 8th of Venus spell danger. The matching in such

cases can only be done carefully evaluating the strength & weakness of the

chart.

 

These are the ONLY conditions prefered for matching making regading papa jataka.

 

If we go on looking at vargas of planets, no person in this world will be able

to marry.

 

When the search for horscopes are initiated, it is a normal practice to filter

papa jataka  , if the girls jataka is papa jataka as descibed above and for

Sudha jataka if the girls horoscope is shudha.

 

Many a times two horoscopes might be compatable in all other respects but for

Papa/Sudha factors. Then only we consider other factors and evaluate the

strength & weakness of the planets and whether there are any dangers involved

and whether they get balanced. - the malefic effect of one horoscope is

balanced by the benefic effect of the other. In this regard the dasa's in both

the horoscope should also be taken into consideration. If both have very bad

dasa periods, the dasa could spell danger. Here also the age factor is looked

into. if such periods occur in the early age, the horocope is best NOT

matched.

 

This is a very complex evaluation and sometimes only experienced astrologers

could match them correctly. Even I seek advice of much senoir(age) astrologers

and dicuss with them before advicing the natives, when in doubt.

 

 

 

Hope your doubts are cleared on Matching of Horoscopes.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj

kerala_vedic_astrology

Tue, November 10, 2009 1:48:54 AM

Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] astrology

 

 

Dear Sureshji

 

I agree with you

 

I saw some of the posts in JR where you told that quiz will not work in internet

forums and the reasons also.The other incident you mentioned was surprising and

funny.I pity that astrology who corrected time to few minutes.wonder why he

couldnt correct the time for 12 hrs from PM to AM step by step.

 

i have read in all the  classics that without vaakdevi grace ,even the

prediction given by great scholar will not happen.

 

i dont plan to write in jyotish remedies in the near future. as i think it will

be a sin to predict for others without learning methodically. i saw  few health

related charts,query of love marriage,an interesting kalasarpa dosha chart and

mangal dosha (which was debated),there i found an unusual statement made by

Mr.Mrutyunjay Tripathy  that Mangal dosha is present in navamsa.some scholars

debated even though mangal dosha is not there,marriage is disturbed because mars

in lagna aspects important houses related to marriage.(something like north

indian view of mangal dosha for mangal in 1st)

By any chance,was that the chart you mentioned  recently about a gentleman

cheated by an astrologer in heart of Kerala with the name kalasarpa dosha?The

birth data showed a place from Kerala,but the data was posted by a woman.

 

I constructed that chart in jhora to see ,as people were talking so bad about

the mars in lagna situated with enemy saturn in lagna.To my surprise i found

that Mars has 7 bindus  and lagna had 41 points which nobody pointed out when

they talked about mars being bad for that case.I was wondering how such a mars

can cause problems to the native..You had given a good outcome for mars in that

case .

 

For others,

The chart details i was talking about is

February 8,19861.57 amThiruvananthapura m

The chart looked interesting to me for it had

 

1.Kalasarpa dosha

 

2.Mars and Saturn in lagna(scorpio) -some problem with fertility issues? with

our latest topic Gulika  also in lagna

 

3.Nullified mangal dosha

 

4.mangal dosha in navamsa?-seek explanation from Sureshji

 I had few doubts/points like

 

1.which is the real lagna to be considered?chandra lagna was stronger with Sun

and venus, hemmed on one side with Jupiter and mercury?

 

2.can such a mars create disturbance in marriage now with 7 benefic bindus in AV

and 41 bindus in lagna and mars dasha and antardasha is over long back..(P.S.The

query was something like when will the girl getting married?)

 

3.Mars and 3rd lord always work together for a particular cause,right? so here

3rd lord saturn(enemy of mars) is with mars(karaka )In such cases, mars +saturn

is a good combination or still it remains a malefic combination?

 

4.Mars is also the dispositor of Rahu which is in 6th house.Sureshji in one

place had mentioned Rahu in 6th as Laxman

 

5.Here the rahu in 6th(is a combination of saturn,mars and Rahu) -as per sanivad

rahu,dispositorship etc making a deadly malefic. 

 

6.mars is the dispositor of mars,gulika, rahu,saturn( which in turn disposits

the remaining 5 planets of chart) .so all planets are controlled by mars

somehow.

 

7.venus destroyed as it is in 29 degrees in Rasi chart and debilitated in

navamsa chart.some combustion also is present.

 

8.lagna and sani are vargottama.

 

overall the chart looked very interesting to me.

 

corrections and opinion are welcome.

 

I request Sureshji to clarify my doubts and correct my understanding.

 

Thanks and best wishes

 

Vishnu

 

Thanks and Best wishes

Vishnu--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] astrology

kerala_vedic_ astrology

Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:48 PM

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu,

 

If you follow my messages regarding quizes you would understand what they are

and why an astrologer may not be able to an answer then correctly.

 

Time and again I have stated that Astrology is a devine science. You have only

12 signs, 27 stars, 10 planetory bodies and numerous data to show 365*life span.

 

The real difference comes from The astrologer is connected with the subject

(Native) who is called Pricchaka and the question Priccha. Without this

connection, it would be sheer luck to deduce the answer correctly.

 

This is the conviction of thousands of professional & experienced Astrologers as

well as Sages. If you read any classical work, the first statement shall be only

vidhadha can only perhaps predict correctly. Even Sage Parashara has written

this. If you read Puranas's you shall know even Narada could not see his own

fate at one time. Why these warnings? and why describe Astrology afterwards?

 

If you sit back and think, you shall understand the why's and the importance of

devine grace.

 

Every native that comes to me for consultation is a live quiz I face.     

 

Internet do not have any of the above.

 

Prashant ji, Krishna Ji are good people. It is only some elements that create

problems there. It is also not heavily moderated.

 

If you follow those people who make tall claims do not even attempt to analyse a

real chart. Then they come up with excuses about TOB being incorrect etc.

 

Recently an interesting incidence happened. A native posted an enquiry about the

health problem and gave the birth details. I gave my analysis and the native

send a personal mail thanking me for a very accurate analysis. My surprise was

that the actual TOB was PM instead of AM provided. The native wrote in surprise

how I could give accurate analysis even without correct TOB. Even I was

surprised.

 

But the real laughing matter was that another gentelman corrected the TOB to a

few minutes to that given by the native on the forum. Till now no one knows

about this other that Prashant ji, to whom I forwarded the mail.

 

How you understood the foolishness of such lunatic obsession with correcting

TOB and those persons who advocate it.

 

I can see only what god wills me to see from a chart. Nothing more & nothing

less.

 

If his grace is not present, all the knowledge becomes " Karna Sapa " .

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

   

 

  

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

Mon, November 9, 2009 11:14:12 PM

 

Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] astrology

 

 

 

Dear Sureshji

 

It is very unfortunate to see people seeking personal predictions in the form of

quizzes.It is also peculiar to see people are participating in quizzes.

 

Quizzes in one way helps to sharpens our skills and is good.But only if it is

put by a respectable person and with good interest and not with vested

interests.

 

I also joined couple of gropus ,the one you are also in Jyotish remedies,But i

felt the forum is hostile reading some of the posts.I joined in a group called

AIA but i dont usually write there .I have seen this quiz thread there.

 

Thanks and best wihses

 

Vishnu

 

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] astrology

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:38 PM

 

 

 

Dear Girish,

 

I am glad that you have now realised why I had to restrict membership and put

the members on moderation. Only a few members are not moderated. Similarly the

reason why I don't allow quizes here.

 

I would like this forum to be a real educative zone. Analysis, discussion and

debates are always good.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Girish <horamag >

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

Mon, November 9, 2009 8:04:02 PM

 

[kerala_vedic_ astrology] astrology

 

 

 

Dear Members

 

Though I am member in few astrology groups i do not participate in any

discussion except our group. I got a mail from a group which is quite shocking

and informative which i wanted to share the conversations. I am not sure if I

can post this conversation from other groups but I feel our members should be

aware about this problem. In fact even I got carried away.

 

..

 

Noticing a very funny hapenning on the Jyotish forums since last few

 

> > > > months. This is hapenning on almost all of the forums. Members are

 

> > > > given a date and asked to predict what hapenned on that date. Or

 

> > else

 

> > > > they are given an incident and asked to predict on which day it

 

> > > > happenned. I find this most idiotic and stupid. You may ask me why ?

 

> > > > For the simple reason that 99% of the participants of these quizzes

 

> > > > cannot even predict on a 12 months scale when a native will get

 

> > married.

 

> > > > So wheres the question of predicting accurately on a one day scale ?

 

> > If

 

> > > > they were so good, would they not be having a line outside their

 

> > houses

 

> > > > and being paid " mooh maangi rakam " for looking up peoples charts ?

 

> > > > What are they doing here and wasting time on these Forums if they

 

> > are so

 

> > > > good ? Why are their predictions not on the Headlines of the

 

> > Newspapers

 

> > > > of the country ? Surely we all have birth data of many prominent

 

> > people

 

> > > > of the world in our possessions ? Then why cant they predict what is

 

> > > > going to happen with them tomorrow and gain instant fame ? This is

 

> > all

 

> > > > making " chutiya " fools of the public. Any new comer coming on these

 

> > > > Groups will be flabbergasted and shocked to see such great

 

> > astrologers

 

> > > > on the group, and will feel himself very fortunate to have landed in

 

> > > > this assembly of great astrologers. But I fear to imagine what would

 

> > be

 

> > > > his fate when these so called astrologers would not be even to

 

> > locate,

 

> > > > judge or time any event of that native if he brings his charts

 

> > before

 

> > > > them. What is actually hapenning in the name of Quizzes ? Mostly

 

> > > > answers for personal charts are sought. Mostly good astrologers are

 

> > put

 

> > > > to dust through such scheming and mechanisations by the Quiz holders

 

> > and

 

> > > > supporters. Mostly non-astrologers are being made astrologers by

 

> > > > accurately forecasting on these quizzes, which answer only the Quiz

 

> > > > Master and the non-astrologer already knows. Mostly fake ids are

 

> > being

 

> > > > allowed to ruin the good name of real astrologers through such

 

> > quizzes.

 

> > > > And who is going to check the veracity of the charts, events and the

 

> > > > Birth data ? Nobody. This is what I find funny. Who is being made a

 

> > > > scape goat in this process ? And who has the last laugh ? I leave

 

> > the

 

> > > > answers to You. Surely I do not wish to dissuade the 3 blind men

 

> > from

 

> > > > their judgement of the elephant through touching his tail (If he has

 

> > > > one), trunk and Legs. Let them enjoy their silly games. The world is

 

> > > > full of evil people, schemers, dupesters. Some more fooling their

 

> > > > ownselves will not make much difference. Bhaskar.

 

> > > >

 

Bhaskar ji, i don't know about other groups but i have seen this type

 

> > of pattern in lalkitab groups.

 

> > > professionalism is not bad but commercialism definintely is.

 

> > > 1. false ids are created.

 

> > > 2. request comes from these ids for analysis and remedies.

 

> > > 3. analysis is done.

 

> > > 4. thanksgiving and affirmation of analysis ans success of remedies

 

> > folllow.

 

> > > 5. a lobby of astrologers supports and showers applause.

 

> > > 6. any objector is shunted out by a collective politics.

 

> > >

 

> > > it is good that you are bringing these issues to light.

 

> > > regards.

 

> > > kulbir

 

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

Yes this is one of the many games , many are playing on the platforms of

 

Astrology. I have been a victim of this Politics and now a old sniffer.

 

I understand the motives in most of the quizzes, and also able to

 

subsequently name the team members of the main players. But that is not

 

my lookout....

 

You will notice that most of the hypocritical real ids too will praise

 

> > and pamper the false ids who have won in these games. Why ? Just to look

 

> > good. They want to be a part of the servile team who always plays to

 

> > their egoes and keeps them happy so that they are always a wanted part

 

> > of the Group owners and moderators.

 

> >

 

> > These bloody astrologers (??). I dare them to predict correctly in

 

> > advance 3 times consecutively for the prominent personalities and show

 

> > their non-existent prowess. But they will not do this. They will only

 

> > try to impress the newcomers, naive and the ladies members of the

 

> > Forums. Because they have not yet become unattached to the lure of the

 

> > fairer skin though they may not be knowing how old these members may be.

 

> > But we know one thing for sure. that we have to impress by talking good

 

> > always.

 

> >

 

> > The ironic part is that half of the ladies ids are actually men trotting

 

> > in garb of female ids.

 

> >

 

> > Bhaskar

 

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

I am agree with you but it is the game of these forums we have to face it with

 

different way.

 

You should not quite from these forums because of this only,it is marketing

 

plans and we have to fight for right polices in same market.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

Dear Bhaskarji

 

Thank you for revealing this information. As a new student of astrology i also

 

got carried away with this quiz and predictions though i did not participate.

 

Kulbirji's mail is quite shocking i had the impression that astrology forums is

 

for sharing and learning this great science. Presently i am active with suresh

 

babuji's kerala vedic astrology group and such kind of marketing doesnt happen

 

in our group.That is the reason probably we have only approx 55 members.

 

Thank you once again for bringing these issues to light.

 

regards

 

Girish

 

 

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