Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 hinducivilization , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: AKK becoming scientist!!! LOL...! One of AKK's protest aginst astrology is that it is fatalistic (though it is not). Let us have some pie, and let someone eat it.. Newtonian Classical Frame work = Free will does not have a chance; Everything pre-determined! Einstines's Relativistc (Classical) Frame work = Free will does not have a chance; Everything pre-determined! Shrodingures Eqn & Quantum mechanics = Probability comes into play; But there is not much difference; Free will does not have a chance; Everything pre-determined! Quantum Mechanics (M-world theory; Consciousness playing major role) = Uhh! At last freewill has a chance; But there are very few scientists who supports it! It is rather guess work still without much experimental evidence. Hope AKK agrees with this and would be much satisfied by the situation...LOL.. Note: Anybody interested can extend this discussion to String theory (especially M-string theory), Flatness problem, Boundary issues, Inflation theory of cosmology, 3-diamnetional Brain worlds theory (branch of string theory) and so on…. By the way that Classical Bing Bang theory is now almost out dated.. Of course modern Big bang theory coupled with inflation theory and Higgs ocean is still there. AKK ji why don't discuss some science, we are eager to learn new lessons from you.. Love, Sreenadh hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > akandabaratam , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Shri Paul Kekai Manansala ji, > Namaskar! > > PKM > < I vaguely remember some explanation about conditions being much > different way back then billions and billions of years ago.> > > > AKK > These were actually computer simulations and thus a guess work as to > what could have happened billions of years ago! None of us was > around at that point of time to have recorded anything first- > handed! As such, it is all in the realm of speculation but there is > every possibility that is what could actually have happened then! > > > PKM > <The conditions now aren't suitable if I remember right for the > spontaneous production of biological soup, or so they say!> > > > It may be that the conditions are not the same on this planet called > earth of this solar system now, but that in no way means that such > conditions do not or did not exist on other planets of other stars > of other galaxies of other Milky Ways -- leave alo0ne other > universes! After all, we are not the only ones living around! > > PKM > <Intelligence, according to modern science, is just a highly advanced > biological computer at work. When the computer ceases to function and > disintegrates, the intelligence disappears, just like a computer > that is destroyed -- all the information and programming is gone.> > > AKK > How advanced is that " biological computer " ? Is there a scope of > further development/inprovement or has it reached its Acme? > Artificial intelligence is in the offing and advances are being made > by leaps and bounds! It is also feared that one day that artificial > intelligence may take over the reins of mankind and like the famous > Bhasmasura try to destory its creator! > But then the crux of the matter is that that artificial intelligence > has been creted by a being who is/was not actually artificial but > very much a live entity! The more powerful and advanced the > computer, the more it proves that its " creator/creators " > was/were/is/are more intelligent than that super-computer with > terraflops of speed! > > Does any scientist presume that the very first initial computer came > into existence of its own accord in the early forties of the > previous century? If an ordinary XT computer, to start with, > without any hard-disk etc. etc. and with a speed of hardly a few > bytes couild not come into existence of its own sweet will, how on > earth do you suppose that the " highly advanced biological computer " > could have managed to create itself without any Babbage (I think > that was the name of the first " computer creator " !)? > And then, even if the " super computer " disintegrates, with all its > programing gone, how does that mean that its creator also has > disintegrated? > With regards, > A K Kaul > > akandabaratam , " Paul Kekai Manansala " > <pkm@> wrote: > > > > akandabaratam , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Paul Kekai Manansala ji, > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > You have rasied a very interesting question as to " What happened > to > > > the biological soup and why is it still not being > > > created? " > > > > > > Actually it is all a guess work about " primordial soup " > > > or " biological soup " etc. etc.! > > > > > > > I vaguely remember some explanation about conditions being much > > different way back then billions and billions of years ago. > > > > The conditions now aren't suitable if I remember right for the > > spontaneous production of biological soup, or so they say! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then again we are left high and dry with the another nagging > > > question: Who created this energy, especially if, like > > > matter, " energy can neither be created nor destoryed " ? > > > In spite of being agnosts or even athiests, we somehow get > > > dumbfounded! This energy must have existed from times > immermorial! > > > But then that means we are posting time before the creation of > time > > > itself! When we say the energy existed before the creation of > the > > > universe, since it was that very energy that got transformed > > > into " matter " , obviously, we are supposing that the universe was > > > created at some point of time! But then again the ame question! > > > > Science is only capable of working with matter and energy. All the > > scientific instruments can only measure matter and energy. > > > > So from the ideological standpoint, yes science is an ideology, > there > > can only be matter and energy. > > > > The idea of something just being there does sound like a statement > of > > faith! > > > > > > > > > If enery can not be created or destroryed, nor can matter be > creted > > > or destroyed, intelligence or super intelligence, which is more > > > elusive than energy, can not be ereated or destoryed either > though > > > it may remain dormant! > > > > Intelligence, according to modern science, is just a highly > advanced > > biological computer at work. When the computer ceases to function > and > > disintegrates, the intelligence disappears, just like a computer > that > > is destroyed -- all the information and programming is gone. > > > > Regards, > > Paul Kekai Manansala > > Quests of the Dragon and Bird Clan > > http://sambali.blogspot.com/ > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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