Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 hinducivilization , " mkelkar2003 " <swatimkelkar wrote: " Not surprisingly, the history of India as portrayed in modern textbooks dominated by Western thinking is an embarrassment to the Hindus that causes them to distrust their ancestors. It shows not a noble indigenous people—which is not the traditional view—but nomads, invaders, barbarian hordes weaving a tale of superstition, destruction and deception—a view the non-Hindu groups can easily use for their own benefit. If this were a scientifically proven fact, one would have to live with it, but the facts actually are quite contrary. Fortunately today, there is a revolution happening in the historical interpretation of India. The Aryan invasion model is crumbling like a house of cards. The Vedic view of ancient India is being re-vindicated, not by wild speculation, but the most solid evidence and combination of disciplines (Frawley 2006, p. x, in Foreword to Rajaram 2006). " " I (Rajaram) see Indology as a `period disciple' like eugenics (race science) and colonial anthropological theories that were created mainly to give a veneer of respectability to political and religious motives. I see it as having two sides—racial and political. The two became intermixed as in the case of German Nationalism, but continues today in the guise of Indo-European studies (Rajaram 2006, p. xvi). " " This (No horse at Harrapa argument) is demonstrably false. Horse remains—both domestic and the wild variety—have been found at places like Koldhiwa and Mahagara in the Interior India dating to before 6500 BC! These are Neolithic sites. The issue of horse has been blown out proportion by scholars with a vested interest in preserving the invasion theory and the non-indigenous basis of the Vedas and the Vedic civilization (Rajaram 2006, p. 10, parenthesis added). " " On the basis of a comparison of archaeology with the literary records of India and Mesopotamia, K. D. Sethna and others have independently shown that the Harrapan Civilization of c. 3000 to 2000 BC corresponds also to the Sutra period of the Vedic literature. The Harrapans carried on a brisk trade with the Sumerians who had their own empire in the valleys of the rivers Tigris and Euphrates in West Asia…. Sethna noted that the evidence of cotton in Sumeria and at Harrapan sites, combined with references to cotton for the first time in the Sutra literature imply that both Harrapan and the Summerian-Akkadian civilizations belong to the Sutra period (Rajaram 2006, p. 21). " " The question next is who really are the Dravidians? As far as the Indian sources go Dravida is simply a geographical term describing roughly the geographical south or Peninsular India. Traditionally, the panca dravida Brahmins are—Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Andhra, and Dravida. These refer to the people living (roughly) in the present day states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu (and Kerala), (Rajaram 2006, p. 56). " " In the recently published Lost Languages: The Enigma of the World's Undeciphered Scripts, Andrew Robinson drawing upon Parpola attacks, Jha's decipherment as: " an unashamedly nationalistic `decipherment' by a North Indian. " In other words, Jha's work should be rejected not on scholarly grounds because he is a north Indian! This is not far removed from the position taken by some `scientists " in Nazi Germany who rejected Einstein's Theory of Relatively because its creator was a Jew (Rajaram 2006, pp. 59-60). " " What is interesting is that some archaeological evidence is now beginning to surface, lending support to the idea that Vedic India had a strong maritime component. At an international conference on seafaring recently held in New Delhi, several papers were presented showing that Indian cotton was exported to South and Central America as far back as 4000 BC. According to Sean McGrail, a marine archaeologist at Oxford University, seagoing ships called `clinkers' that were thought to be of Viking origin were known in India a good deal earlier (Rajaram 2006, p. 66). " " F. E. Parigiter observed long ago: These facts prove (1) that there was an outflow of people from India before the fifteenth century BC; (2) that they brought Aryan gods from India; (3) that therefore Aryans and their gods existed in India before the sixteenth century; and (4) that the Aryans had entered India earlier still. These facts and conclusions are hardly reconcilable with the current theory about the entrance of the Aryans into NW [northwest] India… But these facts and conclusions are in full agreement with what tradition says about the outspread of the Druhyus beyond the north-west of India..(Parigeter 1922; pp 301-302 in Rajaram 2006, p. 78). " " When mathematicians Kruskal, Dyen and Black applied statistical tests to the languages that make up the Indo-European family the results were extraordinary. (Kruskal, Dyen, and Black 1971.) The most important member of the Indo-European family is Sanskrit, but their analysis threw up a major contradiction: Indian and Iranian languages failed the grouping test! This is a bombshell, for according to Indo-European linguistics, Indo-Iranian is the lynchpin of the whole discipline, but the one quantitative test that was applied to the hypothesis discredited it (Rajaram 2006, p. 80). " " .. the motions of the stars calculated by the Hindus before some 4500 years vary not even a single minute from the tables of Cassine and Meyer (used in Europe in the nineteenth century). The Indian tables give the same annual variation of moon as that discovered by Tycho Brahe—a variation unknown to the school of Alexandria and also the Arabs who followed the calculations of the school.. The Hindu system of astronomy are by far the oldest and that, from which the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and even the Jews derive the knowledge (French astronomer Balley 1736-93, as quoted by Rajaram 2006, p. 133). " " .. British astronomer John Playfair estimated that Hindu astronomy must go back to 5000 BC; I believe it must be at least a thousand years older than that. Both David Frawley and Lokmanya Tilak have found references in the Rigveda that point to dates before 6000 BC (Rajaram 2006, p. 134). " " A medieval Arab scholar Sa'id ibn Ahmad al-Andalusi (1029-1070) wrote in his Tabaquat al-`umam, on of the earliest books on the history of sciences: " The first nation to have cultivated science is India. .. India is known for the wisdom of its people. Over many centuries, all the kings of the past have recognized the ability of the Indians in all the braches of knowledge. .. The Indians not to all nations for many centuries are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are people of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. " (quoted by Rajaram 2006, p. 135). " Rajaram, N. S. (2006). Sarasvati river and the Vedic civilization: history, science and politics. New Dehli: Aditya Prakashan, ISBN: 81-7742-066-6 --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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