Fwd: 5 mails (The Valuable mail from Anil ji)

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Dear All,

Anil Kumar ji (aokedia) was a very knowledgeable member of vedic astrology

groupl I had much interactions with him while I was there in vedic astrology

group during 2006 period. He is a member in this group as well, but very less

active. I request him to become more active here and share his ideas. I am

forwarding two of his 2006 mails from vedic astrology group.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid wrote:

 

Dear Anil ji,

Wow..........!!! That was a great mail!!! After many days I am

reading such a long and wonderful mail, which demands attention!! I

sincerely hope, if every body would have taken this much pain and

effort to express his opinions, how much it would have been good for

the cause of astrology!!

I agree on many points put forward by you and disagree on many

others. But it may take at least 10 or 20 messages for me to cover

all the issues pointed to by you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Anil ji, while responding please break up such long mails into

2 or 3 [here in this case at least 5. ] And give a gap of 1 or 2

days in between, so that we could respond.

Any way it was a real reading experience. Thanks for that. I never

used to save mails to my computer, and used to respond to messages

online itself. But I saved your long mail to my computer, so that I

could ref to the issues pointed by you in later mails, and by

agreeing or disagreeing express my views. Hope to hear from you more,

on varied issues, and pleasure meeting you in this forum. It would

be greatly enjoyable if we explore each of those issues in detail,

while searching and quoting the authentic ref on each of them. Let us

discuss each of them in detail (as time permits, in future), and let

us come to an agreement in some of the issues, and give food for

thought and action for further research.

It is real-true-sincere research. I respect your efforts, and hopes

that astrology would be / and should be greatly benefited by your

sincere efforts. Blessed Be.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology , " aokedia " <anilkedia@

wrote:

 

Dear Group Members,

There are 5 Mails in this post.

Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! (Principles/Ta lagn)

Arudha/UpaPada(for Akhilji)

Vargas -- Pradeep ji

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa - Raman & Lahiri: Chart 3(for

Sunil)

Rules for D-charts(SESHADRI IYER'S CONCEPTS)

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Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! (Principles/Ta lagn)

 

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

I am very happy to see this thread.Once this exercise is complete

for

all

12 signs,we can look for Anshas in similar way and when we reach

Nadi-

Ansh,

we will find that this was the basis for Nadi-granthas. I mean to

say

that

instead of using complete sign,if we use just nadi ansha,decided by

16

vargas of Sage Parashar,we can say some very interesting things

just

from

Lagn-longitude on the basis of same priciples which you are trying

to

evolve in this exercise! Please continue it without expectation of

excessive participation.

 

Karmanyevadhikaraste......

 

While Mesh is most vital,since there is not much activity,

I will try to give some points on Vrishabh(Ta) Lagn.

 

Several qualities of signs are given in classics. We can take any

one

and

apply to each house to get general idea about it. It just show

possibility

and can be modified on the basis of planets influencing it. I will

try to

use Karakatwas.

 

Vrishabh(Ta) Lagn is under Prithvi-Tatwa meaning stability.Prithvi

has

Gandh(smell) as main property so such people will have some body

odour

but it will be good as sign is lorded by Shukr. Since Prithvi has

fixed

shape/size,these people will also have fixed or well-defined

attributes.

These people will have stable body.If moon is in Ta,stable mind,

Mars means long-lasting strength. Budh: stable-voice.

Guru: firm(correct) knowledge. Shukr: happiness.

Shani: always worried/unhappy. Sun: healthy.

 

Now see friendship. Sun(lagn-karak) is enemy to Shukr(lord of Ta

lagn). So

health may not be very good.Mars is neutral. So strength will be

average.

Guru is enemy but both Guru and Shukr are teachers so knowledge is

ensured.

Moon is in exaltation so mind is good.Budh is friendly so

voice/education

will be smooth. Shani is friendly so worries will be minimum.Rahu

is

friend

so interaction with other cast people/forigners etc will be useful.

Ketu

is debilited so mistakes will be offten and cause spiritual

inclination.

If these planets join/aspect Ta,we can be sure about these results.

When Shukr is in Ta Lagn,complete happiness is ensured.

 

While Karak-Marak nature based on Lordship has been given by BPHS,

I will try to see things on the basis of bhav-karakatwas.

 

Sun is karak for lagn but enemy of lagnesh. So native may have many

health

problems if any one is afflicted.

Moon is karak for 4th but enemy of Lagnesh. So relation with mother

may

not be good if in bad placement too. Since 4th lord Sun is friendly

to

karak,Mother's health is normally good.

 

Mars is neutral to Shukr. So relation with brothers and maternal

relatives

are neutral.Any good/bad influence may shift the balence to

good/bad.

Moon(3rd lord) is friendly so co-opration from them is likely but

Shukr

being 6th lord,maternal uncles may not be useful.

 

Budh is friend so job will be good.unless very spoiled,there is no

problem.

10th Lord shani is friendly to Budh,Job is smooth.

 

Guru is karak for 2,5,9,11 and enemy.So troubles related to these

aspects.

Budh is lord of 2 and 5 but enemy.So wealth and children are cause

of

worry.

Since both are natural benefics,propitiation will be very helpful.

Shani is neutral to Guru so not much differences with teachers.

Guru himself owns 11th. So no problem in income.

 

Shukr himself is karak for 7th.If not weak/afflicted,happy marriage.

7th lord Mangal is neutral so no problem.

 

Shani is friendly so Longivity(8th) is high, expenses(12th) are

managable.

 

6th lord is friendly. No long illness.

8th lord is neutral so Longivity ensured.

12th Lord is neutral so good sleep ensured.

 

Now consider Natural ages:

5th house indicates children. Budh is lord of 5th and child(kumar)

too.

So if Budh is in friendly sign,children(any child) will like the

native.

 

7th house indicates spouse(Adult).Lord is Mars. Mars is kid. Spouse

will be younger then native.

 

9th is father(old).Lord is Shani. If Shani is in friendly sign,

co-opration from old people is good.

 

11th is friends. Lord is Guru. So friends will be elder then native.

 

Now consider Lordship.

For Ta Lagn,Lord of 5th and Karak of 5th are enemy. So generally

there is lack of happiness related to 5th house. But if 5th is with

some planet,consider its effect on 5th instead of Lord.

This Rule can be used with any house.Check varg sign also similarly.

 

Budh is Lord of 5th. He gets exalted in 5th so good for children.

Budh becomes debilited in 11th so birth of children will be bad for

gains.

If 11th house has friend of Budh,it will be good.

Budh is friendly to Shani. So birth of children will increase

luck(9th) and occupation(10th).

Budh is enemy to Guru. So bad results for research/occult etc.(8th

house).

Budh is enemy to Mars. So troubles to spouse(7th),sleep (12th).

Budh is Friendly to Shukr. So increses health after child-birth.

(this is on the basis of 2 groups of planets

Sun,Moon,Mars,Guru in one group and others in second group)

 

Take another example:

7th lord is Mangal. His only enemy is Budh.

Budh is lord of 2nd and 5th house.So marriage will prove bad for

Matters indicated by 2nd and 5th house.This is inherent possibility

for all Ta lagn natives.If Budh becomes neutral to Mars in

chart,this

will not be activated.See this using Panchdha-Maitri.

 

[This is not needed but for the sake of completeness:

Possibility will become a reality if 2nd(5th) bhav/bhavesh/karak

are

aspected/joined by Mangal.Final result of this is seen from vargas.

For Marriage,we take Navmansh(D9).Find Navmansh of

bhav/bhavesh/karak.

If they are aspected/joined by Mangal even in D9,it will be very

bad.

Timing may be done using Dasha-bhukti of Budh-lord of 2nd/5th

house.]

 

7th house shows first wife so it applies to first marriage. Second

marriage is shown by 2nd house.So lord is Budh. Now enemy of Budh is

Moon(3rd house). So 2nd marriage may trouble co-born/3rd house

matters.

Good effects of lordship can be seen using friends in a similar way.

 

Thus we can predict what are the possibilities and if they are

activated

in the chart.If activated,to what extent they will be experienced

and

what will be final outcome.We can also time the event to some

extent.

 

Now some deeper thoughts.

2/7 are Marak houses. From Ta,lords are Budh/Mangal.

Budh is Karak for 10th while Mangal is karak for 3rd and 6th.

Now 6th(sign=Kanya) is debilitation sign for Shukr(Lord of Ta).

So when Shukr is in 6th house,it becomes Maran-Karak for Ta.

 

2nd is also Dhan-Bhav. So Shukr in 10th will be Dhan-Karak for Ta.

7th is also for spouse.Since 6th is debilitation, only choice is

3rd.

So Shukr in 3rd becomes Patni-Karak for Ta.

 

Consider 9th house(Bhagy-sthan). Lord is Shani.It is Karak for

8th and 12th. 12th(sign=Meen) is exaltation sign for Shukr. So

when Shukr is in 12th house, it is Bhagy-Karak for Ta.

 

9th is also Badhak for Ta. As explained above,12th is for good

so only possibility is 8th house.So if Shukr is in 8th,it will

act as Badha-Karak for Ta.

 

Similarly you can find effect of Shukr for other places.

Same rules can be extended to Lords of other houses.This will

give a reasonable idea of which houses are good/bad for planet

and what effects it can give in that house.

 

If you do not find Exaltation/debilitation, choose next sign as per

high/low strength to see good/bad results respectively.

Choose Maximum sthan-bal sign out of available ones for good

results.

You may 'personalise' the results by finding strength as per

Panchdha

(five-fold-friendship) Maitri in your chart.For general results,

just use Naisargik Friendship Rules.

 

[Working rule for above system: note the houses lorded by bhav-karak

of bhav where planet under consideration is placed. Now if planet is

strong/weak in the bhav then it gives good/bad result of houses.]

 

We can apply similar analysis to each house on above lines to reach

non-conflicting results from many angles and then give the

conclusion

as prediction. If such kind of analysis/exercise is fully attempted,

synthesis of results will become extreamly simple.People will learn

how to sort out different views and which rules are more important.

 

Please contribute your ideas/views on this topic for the benefit of

all members. Finally I request Shree Dakshinamoorty ji to guide and

correct the mistakes.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Arudha/UpaPada

 

Dear Akhilji

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

You wrote:

" Prasns Marg suggests that the degrees of the AL can be

obtained as below,

THe degree of AL is obtained by adding the degrees of

the Lagna (devoid of the sign) to the rashi of the

Arudha. Yes, I very much agree with you that various

amsas of the AL thus obtained sounds more logical than

by grouping indivuduals in various amsas. "

 

Anil: This is only for Prashn where Arudha is obtained by

placement of gold piece. Birth-chart has different Arudh

and this can not be applied.It is not logical to find

vargas from this longitude as it is wrong method.

 

" Just find out how many degrees the lord of ascendant

is away from the cusp of the ascendant. Count as many

degrees away from the planet and this probably

give us the center of the arudha lagan. Plot this

degree to various divisional charts and that can give

us the location of the arudha in various divisional charts. "

 

Anil: This is the correct way of finding Bhav-Arudh. Method used by

Sanjay etc. are just Rashi-Arudh and not Bhav arudh. If this is not

followed,we can not have Arudhas in even houses from relevent bhav.

you will get arudhas only in 4th/10th by using exceptions but that

is also a matter of dispute. So only correct way is as given by

you.

Same rules apply to Karak-Arudh also. Use varg-longitudes for

aroodhas

in vargas. Same procedure must be used to find Bhoga in case of

Vinshottary/udu dasha also.

 

Here again Arudh-Vargas can not be obtained from longitude.

We need to know how Arudh is obtained in D1.It is not based on

astronomy. We manipulate distance between bhav/bhavesh to get arudh.

Since D-chart do not translate houses in D1 into corresponding

houses

in Vargas,we need to repeat same procedure in each varg to get

Arudh.

Same principle applies to Varnad calculations in varg. I feel that

Aroodh and Saham are based on same principles.

BTW,Has any one tried Saham-vargas?

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Vargas -- Pradeep ji

 

Dear Pradeep ji

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

" Krishna Krishna Mukunda Janardhana Sachidananda Govinda Madhava

Come back as Jesus,Come back as Allah come back as everyone and

save Jyotish. "

 

Anil: God has not promised to come back for saving Jyotish!

Jyotish is however needed for timing religious activities.

HE just said:

 

Yada Yadahi Dharmasy Glanirbhavati Bharat|

Abhyutthanamadharmasy Tadatmanam Srijamyaham||

Paritranay Sadhunam Vinasaych Dushkritam|

Dharm Sansthapnarthay Sambhavami Yuge Yuge||

 

Pradeep: " What is the duration of a Bhava Lagna.If it is 120

minutes - where do you see a Bhava.Hora Lagna on the

other hand is half of a Bhava ie 60 minutes making it

more clear. "

 

Anil: You are correct Bhav lagn is 5 Ghaties and Hora lagn is

2.5 ghaties. So we have 1 cycle of 12 for Bhav and 2 cycles for

Hora. In D-charts also we have only 12 houses but many times more

signs according to number of divisions but are not differentiated.

 

Pradeep: " Tanu Bhava results are to be guessed through the

ascending '''RASHI''' as per Parashara.Is ascending

Navamsha also a Rashi?If yes ,how many Rashis do you

expect to rise at a point in time? "

 

Anil: RAM CHARIT MANAS says:

 

Jaki Rahi Bhavna Jaisee|

Hari Moorati dekhi tin taisee||

 

Form of God seen was similar to the intentions.

eg. Sita ji saw ShreeRam as Her husband.

Boys saw Him as friend. Janak ji saw Him as Param-Brahm etc.

 

In Jyotish, different people look at different matters.

Depending on their view,different signs can be seen rising

at any point in time.

 

Pradeep: " Many Libra navamshas are present in the Zodiac - Can you

differentiate between them without the help of a

Rashi. Pushkara/Vargottama or take any concept in

Jyotisha - can you understand a varga without linking it with Rashi.

 

Anil: Why do you want to differentiate? In the market,you see many

apples. Do you ask from which tree they are obtained? As long as

they

are of good quality,you do not mind eating them. Even if you take

help

of Rashi,you can not explain in case of D-n where n12. eg. In D60,

you have 5 libra in mesh. So how will you proceed? All will be libra

shastyansh in mesh.

 

Once we accept D9 as D1 of spouse,we can find Pushkara/Vargottama

in

D9 too.

Vidyamadhaviyam describes Pushkara Navmansh and has 600 verses for

aspects,

ownership etc in D9(as per Shree C.S.Patel).

Other more common defination of Pushkaransh is just a particular

Bhaga

(degree) in different signs. This also applies when we have varg-

longitudes.

 

Pradeep: " There is a clear distinction between Rashis and

Amshas.As per Mahamuni - Amshas are divisions of

individual rashis.Rashi/Kshethra/Griha have equal span.A

Rashi is Griha(House) for a Planet.An amsha is not. "

 

Anil: Rashi is division of Bha-Chakr. Ansh is division of Rashi.

Bha-chakr is Father,Rashi is child, Anshas are grand children.

It is like ameba(uni-cellular living organisum).

Poornat poornamudachyate!

 

Rashi is not house. These are 2 different things.House can exist

without sign(non-living items)/planet(living). Sign takes much

lower importance in terms of Bhavesh.Sages have said that result of

any house be decleared on the basis of planets in it. If empty,from

planets aspecting it.If none then comes Bhavesh. At any point in

time,

at least 8 houses are under the aspect of malefics. So there can be

atmost 4 houses which may be without any aspects and can be seen

from

their lords. It is to cover such few cases,we need signs.Here again,

if Bhavesh is in 4 types of Sambandh with another planet,we have to

switch to that planet.

 

Pradeep: " If you want to know how amshas are used,please go

thorugh classics.If you go with a fresh mind you will

find hundred thousands of shlokas.If you want to find

bhavas in amshas you have to hunt for years and when not

found,for self consolation - have to say - Shubha Varga

means - ''Houses in Divisional Charts!!!''. "

 

Anil: You said that you will give analysis of my chart but so

far you have not done. I wanted to learn how you are using them.

Now can you explain the difference between shubh varg and

shubh ansh? What is your view? I just gave my views to see

difference between varg and Ansh.It is not final. Sometimes it is

more convenient to project D1 sign in D-n as compared to projecting

all planets from D-n to D1.

 

 

Pradeep: Dashadhyayi says -

 

''Sthoola shareera is Rashi.Planets have chetana and gives life to

Rashi.

Drekkana is division of body into three as Urdhwa/Madhya/Adho

Bhagas.

Hora is Dakshina/Vama Bhagas.

Navamsha is nava Pranas(except Dhananjaya,out of 10).

Dwadashamsha is Budhi,Manas and Vayu.

Trimshamsha is Chakshuradhi Pancha Jnanendriyas''.

 

Anil: Thanks for this valuable information. Dwadashamsha=3x4?

 

Pradeep: Thus Rashis are 12,and they constitue 12 organs as well as

12 bhavas.Sookshma shareera consists of navapranas and 12 indiryas.

 

Anil:There are 5 Jnyanendriyas and 5 Karmendriyas so 10 only.

Please give supporting verses. Organs and Indriyas are different.

 

Pradeep:We have 108 navamshas ,24 Horas,36 drekkanas and 12

Rashis. Why do we have just 12 Bhavas defined by

Mahamuni and not 108/24/36. etc. Pls don't say after 12

it is a repetition and all.Mahamunis do talk of 64th

navamsha ,22nd drekkana etc - signifying the importance

of each and every division.64th and 22nd have meaning

due to the Bhavain Rashi Chakra(8th).

 

Anil: No problem here.

 

Pradeep:Whole is not equal to the sum of individual

parts.Similarly you cannot arrange parts and analyse as

if they were whole.Part will have a relation with the whole.

 

Anil:When you say it about the application,it is true but if

you say about the properties,it is not. Properties of water

remain same whether you take one drop or one spoon. This is why

Maharshi Parashar has given different applications for vargas

but described properties of signs/houses only once.

 

Pradeep:For the same reason lord of lagna navamsha is seen again

from Rashi.Without Rashi navamsha has no meaning.This is

what classical examples are demonstrating in an universal fashion.

 

Anil: Can you elaborate on this: What is indicated by lord of

Lagn(bhav) Vargansh in Rashi? What about Lagnesh(Bhavesh)-vargansh.

 

BPHS says Rajyog can be seen by 4 types of Sambandh.In order of

reducing importance they are: (Sanjay Rath taught incorrect order)

(1)Exchange (2)Mutual Aspect (3)Aspect of Dispositor (4)Yuti.

Out of these He clearly approves Yuti in vargas. So if Lord

of Kendr and Kon join even in some varg,they creat Rajyog

(related to matters of that varg in my understanding).

However you can explain it in different way by taking lordship

of planets from D1.But it certainly shows sambandh exist between

planets in same varga.

 

BPHS: 36-RAJYOGADHYAY(Ranjan publication-Delhi)

Pratham: sthan sambandho Drishtijastu tat: param|

Tritivastveko drishti: tat Ekatr susthiti: |5|

Anyonygau tatha swe swe sanyutavanybhe sthitau|

Poornekshitau mitho vapi chaik-VARG-gatau yada|6|

 

Pradeep: " In these divisions, the divisions falling in the

Planets exaltation Rashi, Moolatrikona Rashi, own Rashi

and the Rashis, owned by the Lord of a Kendra from the

Arudha Lagna, are all to be considered (as good

Vargaas). The divisions of a combust Planet, defeated

Planet, weak Planet and a Planet in bad Avasthas, like

Sayan, be all ignored to be auspicious, for these

destroy the good Yogas. "

 

Anil: Are you sure that it is correct interpretation?

Swaroodat can have several meanings.Here are some:

Aroodh means seated/mounted on something.

eg. Ashv-aroodh(seating on horse)

Gaj-aroodh(seatng on Elephant) etc.

A planet may be seated on some sign/house also.

A planet may have its own aroodh called Grah-aroodh.

Again there can be two aroodhas for it.

Parasharji said " Grah-aroodh-Pada-twat chintaye grah varnda "

It means from the Pada of grah-aroodh see grah varnada.

here grah-aroodh means sign/house where grah is placed.

This is commonly used interpretation unless it means finding

pada of grah-pada.So Aroodh can also mean sign/house occupied

by planet. This view has been given in Hindi translation of

BPHS by Suresh Chandr Mishra(Ranjan Publication). Jhora do not

have this option at present.

 

Another meaning of this is to find Arudha of Kendresh.If Varga

belongs to those signs,it is good.This meaning is applicable

to all houses/grahas alike. This is in Mumbai edition.

Narasimha,are you reading?

 

There is another thing missing.Verse says " Utpanna yog nashka " .

Utpanna is 5th star. If house/grah is in 5th star,it is bad.Now

if you take varg-longitude,this also can be sorted else we

have to ignor this.

 

Now,how will you find that grah is in Mool-trikon or Swa-Rashi?

Both are in same sign for most planets.You must know their

longitude in division to confirm its placement.So if you want

to apply above verse,you have no choice but to accept

Varg-Longitudes.

 

Last line has some variations in different BPHS.

It reads Shaynadi gata dustha.....

here Dustha means placed in 6,8,12 houses.

If some houses are good,some must be bad.

According to you first line applies to vargas but

second line applies only to Rashi.This is not correct.

Both lines apply to all vargas.In fact what Parasharji

said,applies to all D-charts in exactly same way.This

may not be the case for other classics.

 

In my view,we first list out vargas having planets in

own/exaltation sign and then shortlist by applying other

conditions one by one.Then only we can have real yogas

given by Sage. In current method,we find many grahas in

good yogas but they are not effective.We need to improve

our understanding.

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Pradeep: Do you keep changing Arudha lagna in every

vargamsha grouping to find good amshas.What frame of

reference are you having then.What kind of jyotish is

this.Arudha lagna has a relationship with, and hence a

quality to influence, our Lagna.This arudha Lagna is

represented by a Rashi.If planets are falling within

amshas of Rashis, owned by the Lord of a Kendra from the

Arudha Lagna(the above said Rashi),it can be considered

as a good varga.No amsha can be found without referring

to rashi chakra.Can you please find one for me!!!.

How many Arudha lagnas are you planning to have then.If

you start finding kendras etc from arudha lagna in every

varga -you will end up with all rashis as good

vargas.Please don't make astrology a laughing

stock.Similarly do you find combustion and avasthas in

every varga to find good amshas.There has to be a fixed

frame of reference and you find amshas from that.

 

Anil: AL for D1 is only one but as mentioned above,correct

interpretation may be different.However,it is possible to

project signs from D1 into D9 etc. just like you project

D9 to D1.Once you understand this,everything will be clear

but for this,you must accept the existance of D-charts.

You will agree that what is good for your kid,may not be

good for you. eg. try to drive his tricycle! This is why

for different D-charts,different frame of reference is needed.

 

As a practical verification,try to look at dasha-bhukti of

planets in mutual 6-8 position in D-chart.Even if they are

well placed in D1,you will find that native has suffered

some problems.I am unemployed in Rahu-Sun. They are in 6-8

in D10 while they are in 3-11 in D1.This gives clear picture

in D10. you have to use different logic for it if you use

only D1 chart. Same thing applies to all other parameters like

combustion,avastha,war etc.Once you interchange the role of

D1 and D-n you will understand everything I am saying.Try it

on your own chart and share your findings.I will give another

hint. malefics are good in 3,6,11 and benefics are bad in

3,6,8,12 houses.Using this general principle,find good bad

planets in each D-chart.Dasha of good/bad planets will give

good/bad results for that varg. Bhukti results depend more

on Dasha-Pravesh-charts. From basics,you can build on

further by using other fundamentals.

 

Pradeep: Now anyone who tries to underdstand the AL usage

(for finding good amshas),will be clear on where an Arudha

has to be seen. Lagna navamsha is derived from Rashichakra,

but arudha of lagna is derived independently!!!

Upon availability of classical shlokas,on interpretation

of amsharudhas,one can find degree of AL,and from there

the amshas.(Same as derivation of any amsha).But finding

AL,UL etc individually (by grouping individual amshas)

is neither classical nor logical.

 

Anil: AL in D9 is arrived from D9 lagn and Lord of this Lagn

which may not be same as Lagnesh in D1.This is why we can not

use Anshas of AL as AL in D-charts. However,D9 lagn depends on

D1 lagn. It is like you make Ghee(butter) from milk and use it for

frying.If you think that milk must be used for frying as Ghee

is obtained from it,you may be correct.

 

Pradeep: I am having the translation of original(palm leaf)

dashadhyayi from sanskrit to malayalam.Some other

versions are not complete and have discrepencies.

 

Anil: I wanted to get this book with Hindi/English translation

but so far I do not know. If you/others know the publisher/e-text

please let me know.I know it is must to understand hidden

meanings in Brihat Jatak.

 

Pradeep: In Prashna,the querent and the surroundings are studied

in relation to the moving zodiac.For this purpose,udaya

lagna and the relative positions corresspond to moving

zodiac,while the querent and his surroundings,the fixed

chakra.Arudha is understood as the sign in which the

querent is seated.Also Arudha is found through placement

of gold etc,.From these,i understand arudha as having

more siginificance w.r to a sign/bhava rather than any

specific point.Mathematical computation w.r to lagna,

not playing a role in finding arudha in the case of

swarnarudha,is explaining this.As many learned members

of this group have expressed concerns in the past,i too

feel,mixture of parashari,jaimini,yavana styles are

leading to many confusions

 

Anil: I agree about mixing Prashn and natal but if we get

better understanding of principle by using different classics,

there is no harm in mixing.Aroodh in BPHS is different then Prashn.

Need of finding Longitude of Aroodh even in Prashn shows that

it is a specific point. Exception of 10th house must be based

on this point rather then sign.I think exception is limited to

duel signs only.

 

Pradeep: Regarding Bhava madhya,Chandrashekhar ji had once

expressed his preference for equal houses.Also shri

Chandrahari had advised in similar lines.

Now when i try to understand classics,i get a simialr

feeling.Irrespective of the position of

lagna(degree),the entire rashi should become the first

bhava.Now for results (phalaniroopana) on various

bhavas,we have divisions of rashis,avasthas of

planets,nature of rashi,rising direction etc.

Eg.1)Lagna falling in the first,middle or last drekkona - giving

different results.

2)Lagna falling in Sheershodaya etc .(sheershodaya and

benefic planets giving good results in the beginning).

Thus differences due to lagnas position will be taken

care by consideraions similar to the above,and bhava

madhaya as such may not be needed.Similarly for every

graha - avasthas,various divisions etc are capable of

taking care of the relative positions within a sign

acting as a Bhava.

 

Anil: You are correct about equal house in a way but sign=bhav

is not correct.Rashi chart shows Rashi placement and lordship

while Bhav-chalit shows bhav placement and bhavesh results.

As long as you do analysis based on Rashi,you do not need Bhav

chart.

If you want to do bhav analysis you need bhav-kundali.

All your arguments stress predictions based on Rashi(sign).

You never say anything about houses.The fact is,house results

are most important and sign results are just showing the strength.

 

Again equal house is valid only for individual points.

When you see houses from Lagn/planet you find houses from them

having same longitude in different signs. For other matters,you

need to use Sreepati house system which is based on time division

rather then longitude division.This is why KP gives good results.

(Sreenad's views are wrong and misguiding about Sreepati house

system).

Verify transit of planets on the cusp of this house system by

choosing

houses where malefic/benefic planet is close to cusp in birth-chart

sothat cusp is within Deeptansh of planet.Sun's transit on a

particular

day of year will be always good/bad.Note that longitude and verify

that

it is on that cusp!

 

Pradeep: If a graha in good kshethra(moolatrikona,ucha,swa) is

having amshaka in shathru,neecha ,then phala will be mishra(mixed)

etc.

based on other strengths of the graha.Similarly if it has good

amshaka

despite of bad kshethra,mishra phala results.

 

Anil: If a planet is in good kshethra in both D1 and D9 then will it

give good results if it is placed in bad house? This is why your

views

are highly neglecting houses in arguments.

 

eg. consider Guru in Tula(enemy's sign) has 5 Rekhas in Ashtakvarg.

It will give good results to extent 5/8. In Vinshopak, Shatru-sign

gives 7.5/20 good results and 12.5/20 bad results.

So good results are (5/8)*(7.5/20)*100=24%

Bad results are (3/8)*(12.5/20)*100=24%

So you get an idea of mixing the two parameters.

 

If Tula becomes neutral due to Tatkalik-friendship,it will give

Good=(5/8)*(10/20)*100=31%

Bad=(3/8)*(10/20)*100=19%

 

If Guru is uchch(exalted),

Good=(5/8)*(20/20)*100=63%

Bad=(3/8)*(00/20)*100=0%

 

Note that they do not add to 100%

 

If Guru is uchch,with 8 Rekhas

Good=(8/8)*(20/20)*100=100%

Bad=(0/8)*(00/20)*100=0%

 

So when house placement and dignity both combine,they give full

results.

Jhora has no option for finding good/bad Bal/drishti though given

in

BPHS.

 

Pradeep: Dashasdhyayi says - Rashi has six synonyms or

paryaya.Thus for natal horoscopy one has to see 6 lagnas

for the same matter.Lagna Rashi,Chandra Lagna Rashi,The

Rashi containing lords of lagna and chandra,Chandra

Lagnamshaka Rashi (the Rashi in which Chndra has amsha)

and Lagnamshaka Rashi.All these are seen from Rashi

Chakra.Thus we have to understand that amshaka and all

amshas are happening within the same Rashi chakra.

Similarly for Prashna matters,one has to see -

Udaya Rashi,Arudha Rashi,Udaya navamsha Rashi,

Chathra rashi,Sprishtanga rashi and Chandra Rashi.

Here we do not see any arudha navamsha rashi - why?

No one with sense will talk of navamsha for Arudha.

VarahaMihira does not know about any amshaarudhas

but we have high knowledge!!!!VarahaMihira mentioned amshas for

lagna,chandra,udaya,etc but not for Arudha.

 

Anil: Here you must note the difference in Prashn and Natal

analysis.

Dashasdhyayi is just a commentry on Varahmihira's Brihat Jatak.

Varahji has not used Arudhas any where in his work so how can

commentrator

add it there? Just because Varahmihir has not given Vinshottary

dasha,why

don't you stop its use? Can you prove that Varahmihir had knowledge

of

Rashi and Grah/udu dashas? Can you find mention of Aroodha even for

D1?

If that is the case,then why are you looking for D-n Aroodhas?For

me,

it is enough that BPHS has mentioned them.I will reject something

if

it

is against BPHS even if said by Varahmihir eg. I use only

Parasharji's

Ashtakvarg.

 

Pradeepji, You do not illustrate by practical examples like

Narasimha.

I can test his ideas and accept/reject them as per my experience.

You do not allow us to verify if your rules are sufficient or not.

You mentioned that you will be giving practical examples of chart

analysis using Anshas but you have not done so far.

I am waiting eagerly.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa - Raman & Lahiri: Chart 3

 

Dear Sunil

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

You have good work but failed to see some points.

(1) There is no use of ashtakvarg in calculation so it can not be

Ashtakavarg Grah Dasa.It just shows possibility of interpretation

of dasha using Ashtakavarg.What Shree C.S.Patel ji gave in his book

is real Ashtakavarga Dasa.You can refer to Event-dasha-transit.xls

for calculations based on it but it is not in the form of dasha.

 

(2)In most cases,Mahadasha is correct but Antardasha is wrong.

This is because Mahadasha is calculated strictly as per BPHS.

Bhukti is normally calculated from same sign or its lord.

Mr. Raman has used from Karak but it must be wrong.If we do

that,all bhukties will be starting from shukr in all dashas.

It is therefore better to stick to standered bhukti calculation.

 

(3)It is possible that you use Karak-lagn-kundali and apply

dasha/bhukti in it and then verify using Rekha and Karan based

calculation of Pind,Rashi,Nakshatr(available in excel sheet).

It is said that transit of Guru in Rashi/Nakshatr obtained in

Karan based calculation give good results.Similarly for Dashas.

 

(4)He has used UL as lagn. He takes 7 and 2 from UL for timing.

This is justified as first and second sleeping partner because

12th house shows bed pleasures and hence 7th from it can

show sleeping partners in bed.In some cases,if there is 2nd such

partner,2nd house(8th from 7th) will become important. So first

choice must be 7th house even if weak. Find stronger 7th from UL

out of D1 and D9 on the basis of their placement in D1.

 

(5)Above use is incorrect if we use Sanjay's view that UL is

Lagn of spouse. 12th house is 6th from 7th so Sanjay himself calls

UL in D9 as shatru-pad of spouse but in D1,he takes it as Lagn

and calls 2/7 houses from UL as marakas for spouse. Logically,

Raman's view looks better but Sanjay and many others are using

it successfully. I too got good results from Sanjay's approach.

 

(6)In my BPHS,UL is defined in different way.

It is still A12 but " Arudha of 12th house from AL " . I have not

seen anyone using this defination. You can check it with Patel ji

as he also has same BPHS so he may have tried this defination.

(I have given you web site of publisher www.khe-shri.com)

 

(7)I wrote you in reply to Ju based Vinshottary dasha that dasha

calculations are based on RAMAN ayanamsa. So it may be good but

I use Lahiri.

 

(8)In his article on Grah dasha, Mr. Raman has again violeted

clear instructions by sage Parashar to divide Dasha in 12 signs

and then see results based on ashtakvarg of dasha lord. See BPHS.

For further timing,this method can be extended to sub dashas.

I found it giving good results even by using NB/NM transits.

 

(9) Use of Prastar-ashtakvarg MUST be avoided. Order and span

of kakshyas are as per patyayni dasha. This Dasha is used in

Sudarshan Chakr Dasha Pravesh Charts(also called Tajik-charts)

to divide one year duration of SCD into 8 parts lorded by Lagn

and 7 planets which constitute Ashtakvarg.

Since BPHS reccomends use of SCD with Ashtakvarg,This is the best

way to divide Dasha period of Rashi in 8 parts.

 

[sarvarth Chintamani says Tithi has 1,Nakshatr has 10 while Lagn has

100,000(hundred thousand)times effect. Since SCD is based on Lagn,

I consider SCD/Tajik stronger than TP,NP,YP,KP etc.]

 

(10) You can learn many things from his article.

(a)Use of Char and other Rashi/Grah dashas for timing varg events.

(b)Use of D1-ashtakvarg in interpretation of vargas.

©Use of standered parameters for deciding correct dasha/bhukti

(d)Use of different systems in calculations of results.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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You wrote:

Chart 3

 

Chart: September 18, 1959

Time:11:30:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 74 E 38' 00 " , 26 N 27' 00 "

Ajmer, India

 

Marriage Nov 2001

 

Project: Just to determine the correct Main Dasa

 

a) Raman Ayanamsa

 

Step 1: Nav becomes Li, UL is in Ta, so take 2nd from it and 7th

from

it,

2nd from it has 2 planets so it becomes COMPUTED SIGN - which is GE

 

Step 2: Ge or signs aspecting it will give marriage, so

Vi, Sg & Pi become additional contenders

 

Step 3: Those signs of the above 4 having higher bindus can give,

SAV:Ge:33, Vi-33, Sg:25 & Pi:23

 

Final: BUT Marriage happened on Nov 2001 when Leo Dasa

was running from 1991 to 2002

 

 

b) Lahiri Ayanamsa

 

Step 1: nav Lagna changes to Vi, UL is in Ge, so 2nd house

from it becomes Cn & 7th becomes Sg, both do not have

planets, Jup and Mer aspect each other, so choice becomes tougher

so finally we take Dual signs as strongest ad hence SG

becomes highest contender of COMPUTED Sign

 

Step 2: Signs aspected SG , is Ge, Vi & Pi

 

Step 3: Ge & Vi have high bindus of 33 each

 

Final: Non of the above Signs gave Marriage in main dasa

of theirs , Leo Dasa gave marriage

 

Special Thinking Note: 7th lord of Navamsa, who is also

7th lord of 7th from UL is JUP, which is placed in Leo,

was this the reason that

Leo Dasa gave Marriage

 

 

Determining Antars

STep 4: Sodya Pinda of Ven: 104 * bindus in 7th from Ven

in PAV of Ven which is 5

104*5=520 remainder is 4, so CN or SC or PI can be the antars

 

In Rasi, Ven is in Leo & antars start from Leo and ends

in Cn, Dasa period is of 11yrs, so each antar is of 11

months equal

 

18-OCT month -2001- from this period onwards Cn antar

was ON, as we can see from STEP 4, CN is capable of

giving marriage as seen above & marriage happened within

1 month of the antar starting

 

NOw if it is RAMAN ayanamsa, sodya pinda and bindus of

Ven PAV remain same and hence it remains Cn n similarly

becomes capable of giving marriage in its antar

 

If mistake has happened in calculations pls point it out.

 

SJ

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Rules for D-charts

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Some members are asking for the rules regarding interpretation

of D-charts. Here is a compilation of mails sent by Shree Vinayji

on other list that will be very useful for analysis. You can

use these rules in any D-chart. In my view, just use all rules

for D1 analysis in D-chart.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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SESHADRI IYER'S CONCEPTS OF DIVISONAL CHARTS:

 

1.The most important and necessary condition for a

planet to give beneficial effect of the D chart is its

relative good position from the lagna of that D-chart

irrespective of other factors such as being in

inimical or debilitated sign or aspect or conjunction

with other planets. Thus under this theory primary

factor is its position from D-lagna. If the planet be

in places other than 3,6,8, and 12 (Dusthanas) it

gives good results, its magnitude depending on other

factors. But if they are in Dustnanas they always give

bad results whatever their other results be.

 

But there are some exceptions to this:

 

a)Kuja even in 6th in all D charts does good for he

aspects lagna from 6th.

 

b)Budha even in 8th in D-4 only gives good. Note the

general theory of Budha being in 8 as being

exceptionally lucky. It is only here and not in other

D charts.

 

c)Shani though in 8 does not kill, is the general say.

This holds good only in D-8 chart when Shani is in D-8

lagna and not elsewhere. Thus the above 3 exceptions

have to be remembered.

 

2.Consider both the Rasi chart (D-1) and the

divisional chart to weigh an effect. As stated above,

position in D chart surpasses that in D-1 chart. Even

though a planet is in bad bhava in D-1, he gives good

effects of a D chart if he is there in good position

from D lagna. Likewise however powerfully and

favorably a planet is situated in D-1, if he is in

Dustana in the D chart he gives bad effects of that

D-chart.

 

3.Having concluded the good or bad effects as per

Rules 1 and 2 above the magnitude of the effect has to

be judged from both D-1 and D-charts as follows:

 

a.If the planet has any kind of Shadbalas [Temporal

(Kalaja), Motional (chesta), exaltation (uccha),

Directional (Digbala), Declinatory (Ayanabala), or

positional (Sthanabala)] in D-chart and favourably

situated from its Lagna it gives good effects of a

higher magnitude, the more the quantum the more the

simultaneous varied strengths. If in addition to this

the planet is also powerfully situated in D-1 also

excellent results of a superior degree happen.

 

b.Even a mere ordinary good position in D-chart

coupled with strong position in D-1 (though in Dustana

in D-1) gives effects of a higher order.

 

c.But, however strongly and favourably situated in D-1

if the planet be in Dustana in D-chart he does bad to

that chart portfolio even if he is exalted or in his

own house in that D-chart. All these establish the

necessity of a planet being in good positions from the

D-lagna to give the good results.

 

4) A combust or vanquished planet (in planetary fight)

in D-1 is of no avail in D chart even if he is well

placed and powerfully situated in D- Chart. He will

give worst results to that D-effect if he is also

badly placed in D-chart. It precisely amounts to

dealing with a dead object.

 

5) If a planet situated favorably in D-chart is

debilitated it gives good effect if it attains Neecha

Bhanga.

 

6) Of all the powerful positions the most important

are (a) Exaltation (b) Vargottama © Own house (d)

Digbala. All these have to be applied to all the

D-Charts. In this connection remember that a planet

situated in the same sign both in D-1 and any other

D-Chart must be construed as being in Vargottama with

respect to that D chart and the effects of that

D-chart read thereon. Unfortunately this aspect is

being judged only by Navamsha position. (D-9) when you

apply this theory you get convinced.

 

7) For reasons stated above exaltations in 3,6,8 or 12

in D-Chart are of no avail.

 

8) See if any of the general Yogas exist in the

D-chart. If so gauge the magnitude by their strengths

as stated above.

 

9) The effects of planets in the D chart get modified

by conjunction or aspect of other planets in the D

chart. Here only the natural benefics and natural

malefics are to be taken and not the functional ones.

Among benefics, Guru is the only planet to alleviate

evil indicated by a planet in bad position in the

D-chart. If that Guru is powerfully situated in that D

chart his aspect is certainly of effect, but a

debilitated Guru cannot be banked upon.

 

10) The birth Yogi and Avayogi have to be noted here.

If the birth Yogi is in a good place in D-chart, he

gives yoga to that effect but in a bad position he is

lost. Similarly, birth Avayogi in a favorable position

in D-chart will create hindrances, anxieties and

trouble.

 

11.Lordship of Bhavas are to be considered only in D-1

and not in D-charts except lord of D-lagna.

 

12.A debilitated planet in D-Chart though in good

position gives bad, if there be no Neecha Bhanga.

 

13.D-Lagna becoming Vargottama is itself an indication

of the effect of that D-Chart going very high provided

its lord is well placed there. If he is in Dusthana

in such a D-chart, only dreamy effects are felt by the

native. In addition to D-lagna being Vargottama, its

lord be also likewise or otherwise powerfully and

favourably situated in D-chart, he gives excellent

results.

 

14.3rd and 8th places are deathlike places. A planet

in 8th or 3rd in D-chart causes death to that effect.

In D-9 to wife, in D-10 to profession. Death may be

construed as also severance. A planet in 3rd in D-10

causes retirement from service. Please note the

exception of Shani in 1st house in D-8 and Budha in

8th in D-4.

 

15.2nd house is said to be a neutral house. A planet

in 2nd house in a D-chart also behaves likewise.

 

16.A planet in 6th house in D-chart in a powerful rasi

gives good first and bad later on.

 

17.It is said in general astrology that the more the

number of planets aspecting Lagna, the more powerful

the native becomes. The same theory applies to

D-chart also.

 

18.Benefics on either side of Lagna is said to confer

Yoga. True even in the case of D-chart. But in such

a situation if any malefic joins the benefic, the Yoga

gets marred. Similarly, malefics on either side

though spoils first, gets better if any benefics joins

them. What is said of Lagna holds good with respect

to the 7th house too.

Here one thing has to be noted. In the case of

malefics if they are Birth Yogi or in their own house

in D-chart they give modified good effects.

 

19.Just as the 2nd and the 12th places from the lagna were

dealt in point 18, if planets are placed equidistantly from

lagna such as 2-12, 3-11, 4-10, 5-9, 6-8, 1-7 they cause

effects as stated above depending on their natural benefic

or malefic character. This is a special mention of Jaimini

known as Sankhya Yoga.

 

19.In D-12 if moon is with Kethu invariably the

native's mother becomes a widow.

 

20.Planets or bhavas hemmed in between malefics goes

bad. Similarly a planet in a D-chart or a D-chart

lagna hemmed in between malefics becomes bad.

 

21.Malefics in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses in a D-chart

is not good. Benefics in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses in a

D-chart is good.

 

22.An incident such as marriage day, commencement of

profession or fresh undertaking, birth of an issue,

etc happening during the period of a planet situated

badly in the respective D-chart may not end happily.

 

23.Accession, election and other positions of

conferrable nature are to be read from D-11.

 

[D11 is Labhamsa (profit & loss) (2 degrees, 8 mins and 11 secs)

He gave this quite a lot of importance. For even if one's status is

not good a happily situated D11 chart will confer on the native

financial felicity

tending his balance sheet towards profit side even without the

least

exertion for the same due to his past good karma. D10 represents

earned

income, while D11 represents unearned income as patrimony, easy

income, side

income, lottery, gambling etc. The formation of this chart is

peculiar. In

all rashis start from Mesha only and go in reverse order. Thus you

see that

the sign Vrishabha goes without any Amsha as the last eleventh

Amsha

closes

with Mithuna.]

 

24.Uccha with Neecha or one with his enemy – Not good.

 

25.Of the 2 planets on either side of lagna or

equidistant from D-lagna if one is benefic and the

other malefic, then bad results are felt only during

the malefic period.

 

26.A planet, though in the 8th house in D-chart, does

not harm if aspected by a powerful Guru.

 

27. Female horoscope is specially treated by classics

confining at least to our Indian womanhood. As

marriage and married life is held sacred in India D-9

is held very important for females. If this Navamsha

chart is good, all the rest are good.

 

28.A karaka in bad position in D-8 kills the relative

connoted by the karaka. Sun in 8th house in D-8 kills

father, Moon - Mother, Shukra -Wife and so on.

 

29. Any yoga in a D-chart is no doubt operative

through out life but is particularly felt during their

periods.

 

30. Even a debilitated planet in good position in a

D-chart does good if he is a Yoga Planet.

 

31. In D-11 the effect of the Bhava occupied by the

planet counted from D-lagna happens, one in 7th house

causes marriage, in 4th property etc.

 

32. Parivartana Yoga (mutual exchange of grahas)

existing in D-chart has its due effect.

 

33. What are all said of the planets in D-charts will

be felt during their periods.

 

34. If the lord of the D-lagna is Birth Yogi or

Duplicate Yogi he gives Yoga effects even in ordinary

position.

 

35. If the lord of the D-lagna is in Dusthana the

result will be bad on or after its Dasha.

 

36. Karaka in Bhava is bad as per general astrology.

How to apply it to D-charts? Karaka in the

corresponding D-lagna is bad. Example: If Budha is in

lagna in D-24 education gets spoiled. Shukra in D-9

lagna affects the wife. Sun and moon in D-12 lagna

affects father and mother respectively. Kuja in D-3

lagna affects the younger co-born and so on.

 

With this ends Sri. Sheshadri Iyer's concepts of

Divisional charts. I urge on esteemed members to

share/contribute their views.

 

Best Regards,

Vinay, Dubai

 

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--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

I really respect Sri Anil Kumarji for having variety of system he uses.

Thankyou for re-posting his old mails.

 

Thankyou,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

jaipur

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> Anil Kumar ji (aokedia) was a very knowledgeable member of vedic astrology

groupl I had much interactions with him while I was there in vedic astrology

group during 2006 period. He is a member in this group as well, but very less

active. I request him to become more active here and share his ideas. I am

forwarding two of his 2006 mails from vedic astrology group.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid@ wrote:

>

> Dear Anil ji,

> Wow..........!!! That was a great mail!!! After many days I am

> reading such a long and wonderful mail, which demands attention!! I

> sincerely hope, if every body would have taken this much pain and

> effort to express his opinions, how much it would have been good for

> the cause of astrology!!

> I agree on many points put forward by you and disagree on many

> others. But it may take at least 10 or 20 messages for me to cover

> all the issues pointed to by you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Dear Anil ji, while responding please break up such long mails into

> 2 or 3 [here in this case at least 5. ] And give a gap of 1 or 2

> days in between, so that we could respond.

> Any way it was a real reading experience. Thanks for that. I never

> used to save mails to my computer, and used to respond to messages

> online itself. But I saved your long mail to my computer, so that I

> could ref to the issues pointed by you in later mails, and by

> agreeing or disagreeing express my views. Hope to hear from you more,

> on varied issues, and pleasure meeting you in this forum. It would

> be greatly enjoyable if we explore each of those issues in detail,

> while searching and quoting the authentic ref on each of them. Let us

> discuss each of them in detail (as time permits, in future), and let

> us come to an agreement in some of the issues, and give food for

> thought and action for further research.

> It is real-true-sincere research. I respect your efforts, and hopes

> that astrology would be / and should be greatly benefited by your

> sincere efforts. Blessed Be.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> vedic astrology , " aokedia " <anilkedia@

> wrote:

>

> Dear Group Members,

> There are 5 Mails in this post.

> Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! (Principles/Ta lagn)

> Arudha/UpaPada(for Akhilji)

> Vargas -- Pradeep ji

> Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa - Raman & Lahiri: Chart 3(for

> Sunil)

> Rules for D-charts(SESHADRI IYER'S CONCEPTS)

> --

> -

> Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! (Principles/Ta lagn)

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> RAM KRISHN HARE

>

> I am very happy to see this thread.Once this exercise is complete

> for

> all

> 12 signs,we can look for Anshas in similar way and when we reach

> Nadi-

> Ansh,

> we will find that this was the basis for Nadi-granthas. I mean to

> say

> that

> instead of using complete sign,if we use just nadi ansha,decided by

> 16

> vargas of Sage Parashar,we can say some very interesting things

> just

> from

> Lagn-longitude on the basis of same priciples which you are trying

> to

> evolve in this exercise! Please continue it without expectation of

> excessive participation.

>

> Karmanyevadhikaraste......

>

> While Mesh is most vital,since there is not much activity,

> I will try to give some points on Vrishabh(Ta) Lagn.

>

> Several qualities of signs are given in classics. We can take any

> one

> and

> apply to each house to get general idea about it. It just show

> possibility

> and can be modified on the basis of planets influencing it. I will

> try to

> use Karakatwas.

>

> Vrishabh(Ta) Lagn is under Prithvi-Tatwa meaning stability.Prithvi

> has

> Gandh(smell) as main property so such people will have some body

> odour

> but it will be good as sign is lorded by Shukr. Since Prithvi has

> fixed

> shape/size,these people will also have fixed or well-defined

> attributes.

> These people will have stable body.If moon is in Ta,stable mind,

> Mars means long-lasting strength. Budh: stable-voice.

> Guru: firm(correct) knowledge. Shukr: happiness.

> Shani: always worried/unhappy. Sun: healthy.

>

> Now see friendship. Sun(lagn-karak) is enemy to Shukr(lord of Ta

> lagn). So

> health may not be very good.Mars is neutral. So strength will be

> average.

> Guru is enemy but both Guru and Shukr are teachers so knowledge is

> ensured.

> Moon is in exaltation so mind is good.Budh is friendly so

> voice/education

> will be smooth. Shani is friendly so worries will be minimum.Rahu

> is

> friend

> so interaction with other cast people/forigners etc will be useful.

> Ketu

> is debilited so mistakes will be offten and cause spiritual

> inclination.

> If these planets join/aspect Ta,we can be sure about these results.

> When Shukr is in Ta Lagn,complete happiness is ensured.

>

> While Karak-Marak nature based on Lordship has been given by BPHS,

> I will try to see things on the basis of bhav-karakatwas.

>

> Sun is karak for lagn but enemy of lagnesh. So native may have many

> health

> problems if any one is afflicted.

> Moon is karak for 4th but enemy of Lagnesh. So relation with mother

> may

> not be good if in bad placement too. Since 4th lord Sun is friendly

> to

> karak,Mother's health is normally good.

>

> Mars is neutral to Shukr. So relation with brothers and maternal

> relatives

> are neutral.Any good/bad influence may shift the balence to

> good/bad.

> Moon(3rd lord) is friendly so co-opration from them is likely but

> Shukr

> being 6th lord,maternal uncles may not be useful.

>

> Budh is friend so job will be good.unless very spoiled,there is no

> problem.

> 10th Lord shani is friendly to Budh,Job is smooth.

>

> Guru is karak for 2,5,9,11 and enemy.So troubles related to these

> aspects.

> Budh is lord of 2 and 5 but enemy.So wealth and children are cause

> of

> worry.

> Since both are natural benefics,propitiation will be very helpful.

> Shani is neutral to Guru so not much differences with teachers.

> Guru himself owns 11th. So no problem in income.

>

> Shukr himself is karak for 7th.If not weak/afflicted,happy marriage.

> 7th lord Mangal is neutral so no problem.

>

> Shani is friendly so Longivity(8th) is high, expenses(12th) are

> managable.

>

> 6th lord is friendly. No long illness.

> 8th lord is neutral so Longivity ensured.

> 12th Lord is neutral so good sleep ensured.

>

> Now consider Natural ages:

> 5th house indicates children. Budh is lord of 5th and child(kumar)

> too.

> So if Budh is in friendly sign,children(any child) will like the

> native.

>

> 7th house indicates spouse(Adult).Lord is Mars. Mars is kid. Spouse

> will be younger then native.

>

> 9th is father(old).Lord is Shani. If Shani is in friendly sign,

> co-opration from old people is good.

>

> 11th is friends. Lord is Guru. So friends will be elder then native.

>

> Now consider Lordship.

> For Ta Lagn,Lord of 5th and Karak of 5th are enemy. So generally

> there is lack of happiness related to 5th house. But if 5th is with

> some planet,consider its effect on 5th instead of Lord.

> This Rule can be used with any house.Check varg sign also similarly.

>

> Budh is Lord of 5th. He gets exalted in 5th so good for children.

> Budh becomes debilited in 11th so birth of children will be bad for

> gains.

> If 11th house has friend of Budh,it will be good.

> Budh is friendly to Shani. So birth of children will increase

> luck(9th) and occupation(10th).

> Budh is enemy to Guru. So bad results for research/occult etc.(8th

> house).

> Budh is enemy to Mars. So troubles to spouse(7th),sleep (12th).

> Budh is Friendly to Shukr. So increses health after child-birth.

> (this is on the basis of 2 groups of planets

> Sun,Moon,Mars,Guru in one group and others in second group)

>

> Take another example:

> 7th lord is Mangal. His only enemy is Budh.

> Budh is lord of 2nd and 5th house.So marriage will prove bad for

> Matters indicated by 2nd and 5th house.This is inherent possibility

> for all Ta lagn natives.If Budh becomes neutral to Mars in

> chart,this

> will not be activated.See this using Panchdha-Maitri.

>

> [This is not needed but for the sake of completeness:

> Possibility will become a reality if 2nd(5th) bhav/bhavesh/karak

> are

> aspected/joined by Mangal.Final result of this is seen from vargas.

> For Marriage,we take Navmansh(D9).Find Navmansh of

> bhav/bhavesh/karak.

> If they are aspected/joined by Mangal even in D9,it will be very

> bad.

> Timing may be done using Dasha-bhukti of Budh-lord of 2nd/5th

> house.]

>

> 7th house shows first wife so it applies to first marriage. Second

> marriage is shown by 2nd house.So lord is Budh. Now enemy of Budh is

> Moon(3rd house). So 2nd marriage may trouble co-born/3rd house

> matters.

> Good effects of lordship can be seen using friends in a similar way.

>

> Thus we can predict what are the possibilities and if they are

> activated

> in the chart.If activated,to what extent they will be experienced

> and

> what will be final outcome.We can also time the event to some

> extent.

>

> Now some deeper thoughts.

> 2/7 are Marak houses. From Ta,lords are Budh/Mangal.

> Budh is Karak for 10th while Mangal is karak for 3rd and 6th.

> Now 6th(sign=Kanya) is debilitation sign for Shukr(Lord of Ta).

> So when Shukr is in 6th house,it becomes Maran-Karak for Ta.

>

> 2nd is also Dhan-Bhav. So Shukr in 10th will be Dhan-Karak for Ta.

> 7th is also for spouse.Since 6th is debilitation, only choice is

> 3rd.

> So Shukr in 3rd becomes Patni-Karak for Ta.

>

> Consider 9th house(Bhagy-sthan). Lord is Shani.It is Karak for

> 8th and 12th. 12th(sign=Meen) is exaltation sign for Shukr. So

> when Shukr is in 12th house, it is Bhagy-Karak for Ta.

>

> 9th is also Badhak for Ta. As explained above,12th is for good

> so only possibility is 8th house.So if Shukr is in 8th,it will

> act as Badha-Karak for Ta.

>

> Similarly you can find effect of Shukr for other places.

> Same rules can be extended to Lords of other houses.This will

> give a reasonable idea of which houses are good/bad for planet

> and what effects it can give in that house.

>

> If you do not find Exaltation/debilitation, choose next sign as per

> high/low strength to see good/bad results respectively.

> Choose Maximum sthan-bal sign out of available ones for good

> results.

> You may 'personalise' the results by finding strength as per

> Panchdha

> (five-fold-friendship) Maitri in your chart.For general results,

> just use Naisargik Friendship Rules.

>

> [Working rule for above system: note the houses lorded by bhav-karak

> of bhav where planet under consideration is placed. Now if planet is

> strong/weak in the bhav then it gives good/bad result of houses.]

>

> We can apply similar analysis to each house on above lines to reach

> non-conflicting results from many angles and then give the

> conclusion

> as prediction. If such kind of analysis/exercise is fully attempted,

> synthesis of results will become extreamly simple.People will learn

> how to sort out different views and which rules are more important.

>

> Please contribute your ideas/views on this topic for the benefit of

> all members. Finally I request Shree Dakshinamoorty ji to guide and

> correct the mistakes.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

> ------------------------------

> Arudha/UpaPada

>

> Dear Akhilji

>

> RAM KRISHN HARE

>

> You wrote:

> " Prasns Marg suggests that the degrees of the AL can be

> obtained as below,

> THe degree of AL is obtained by adding the degrees of

> the Lagna (devoid of the sign) to the rashi of the

> Arudha. Yes, I very much agree with you that various

> amsas of the AL thus obtained sounds more logical than

> by grouping indivuduals in various amsas. "

>

> Anil: This is only for Prashn where Arudha is obtained by

> placement of gold piece. Birth-chart has different Arudh

> and this can not be applied.It is not logical to find

> vargas from this longitude as it is wrong method.

>

> " Just find out how many degrees the lord of ascendant

> is away from the cusp of the ascendant. Count as many

> degrees away from the planet and this probably

> give us the center of the arudha lagan. Plot this

> degree to various divisional charts and that can give

> us the location of the arudha in various divisional charts. "

>

> Anil: This is the correct way of finding Bhav-Arudh. Method used by

> Sanjay etc. are just Rashi-Arudh and not Bhav arudh. If this is not

> followed,we can not have Arudhas in even houses from relevent bhav.

> you will get arudhas only in 4th/10th by using exceptions but that

> is also a matter of dispute. So only correct way is as given by

> you.

> Same rules apply to Karak-Arudh also. Use varg-longitudes for

> aroodhas

> in vargas. Same procedure must be used to find Bhoga in case of

> Vinshottary/udu dasha also.

>

> Here again Arudh-Vargas can not be obtained from longitude.

> We need to know how Arudh is obtained in D1.It is not based on

> astronomy. We manipulate distance between bhav/bhavesh to get arudh.

> Since D-chart do not translate houses in D1 into corresponding

> houses

> in Vargas,we need to repeat same procedure in each varg to get

> Arudh.

> Same principle applies to Varnad calculations in varg. I feel that

> Aroodh and Saham are based on same principles.

> BTW,Has any one tried Saham-vargas?

>

> Thanks

>

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

> --

> --

> ----

> Vargas -- Pradeep ji

>

> Dear Pradeep ji

>

> RAM KRISHN HARE

>

> " Krishna Krishna Mukunda Janardhana Sachidananda Govinda Madhava

> Come back as Jesus,Come back as Allah come back as everyone and

> save Jyotish. "

>

> Anil: God has not promised to come back for saving Jyotish!

> Jyotish is however needed for timing religious activities.

> HE just said:

>

> Yada Yadahi Dharmasy Glanirbhavati Bharat|

> Abhyutthanamadharmasy Tadatmanam Srijamyaham||

> Paritranay Sadhunam Vinasaych Dushkritam|

> Dharm Sansthapnarthay Sambhavami Yuge Yuge||

>

> Pradeep: " What is the duration of a Bhava Lagna.If it is 120

> minutes - where do you see a Bhava.Hora Lagna on the

> other hand is half of a Bhava ie 60 minutes making it

> more clear. "

>

> Anil: You are correct Bhav lagn is 5 Ghaties and Hora lagn is

> 2.5 ghaties. So we have 1 cycle of 12 for Bhav and 2 cycles for

> Hora. In D-charts also we have only 12 houses but many times more

> signs according to number of divisions but are not differentiated.

>

> Pradeep: " Tanu Bhava results are to be guessed through the

> ascending '''RASHI''' as per Parashara.Is ascending

> Navamsha also a Rashi?If yes ,how many Rashis do you

> expect to rise at a point in time? "

>

> Anil: RAM CHARIT MANAS says:

>

> Jaki Rahi Bhavna Jaisee|

> Hari Moorati dekhi tin taisee||

>

> Form of God seen was similar to the intentions.

> eg. Sita ji saw ShreeRam as Her husband.

> Boys saw Him as friend. Janak ji saw Him as Param-Brahm etc.

>

> In Jyotish, different people look at different matters.

> Depending on their view,different signs can be seen rising

> at any point in time.

>

> Pradeep: " Many Libra navamshas are present in the Zodiac - Can you

> differentiate between them without the help of a

> Rashi. Pushkara/Vargottama or take any concept in

> Jyotisha - can you understand a varga without linking it with Rashi.

>

> Anil: Why do you want to differentiate? In the market,you see many

> apples. Do you ask from which tree they are obtained? As long as

> they

> are of good quality,you do not mind eating them. Even if you take

> help

> of Rashi,you can not explain in case of D-n where n12. eg. In D60,

> you have 5 libra in mesh. So how will you proceed? All will be libra

> shastyansh in mesh.

>

> Once we accept D9 as D1 of spouse,we can find Pushkara/Vargottama

> in

> D9 too.

> Vidyamadhaviyam describes Pushkara Navmansh and has 600 verses for

> aspects,

> ownership etc in D9(as per Shree C.S.Patel).

> Other more common defination of Pushkaransh is just a particular

> Bhaga

> (degree) in different signs. This also applies when we have varg-

> longitudes.

>

> Pradeep: " There is a clear distinction between Rashis and

> Amshas.As per Mahamuni - Amshas are divisions of

> individual rashis.Rashi/Kshethra/Griha have equal span.A

> Rashi is Griha(House) for a Planet.An amsha is not. "

>

> Anil: Rashi is division of Bha-Chakr. Ansh is division of Rashi.

> Bha-chakr is Father,Rashi is child, Anshas are grand children.

> It is like ameba(uni-cellular living organisum).

> Poornat poornamudachyate!

>

> Rashi is not house. These are 2 different things.House can exist

> without sign(non-living items)/planet(living). Sign takes much

> lower importance in terms of Bhavesh.Sages have said that result of

> any house be decleared on the basis of planets in it. If empty,from

> planets aspecting it.If none then comes Bhavesh. At any point in

> time,

> at least 8 houses are under the aspect of malefics. So there can be

> atmost 4 houses which may be without any aspects and can be seen

> from

> their lords. It is to cover such few cases,we need signs.Here again,

> if Bhavesh is in 4 types of Sambandh with another planet,we have to

> switch to that planet.

>

> Pradeep: " If you want to know how amshas are used,please go

> thorugh classics.If you go with a fresh mind you will

> find hundred thousands of shlokas.If you want to find

> bhavas in amshas you have to hunt for years and when not

> found,for self consolation - have to say - Shubha Varga

> means - ''Houses in Divisional Charts!!!''. "

>

> Anil: You said that you will give analysis of my chart but so

> far you have not done. I wanted to learn how you are using them.

> Now can you explain the difference between shubh varg and

> shubh ansh? What is your view? I just gave my views to see

> difference between varg and Ansh.It is not final. Sometimes it is

> more convenient to project D1 sign in D-n as compared to projecting

> all planets from D-n to D1.

>

>

> Pradeep: Dashadhyayi says -

>

> ''Sthoola shareera is Rashi.Planets have chetana and gives life to

> Rashi.

> Drekkana is division of body into three as Urdhwa/Madhya/Adho

> Bhagas.

> Hora is Dakshina/Vama Bhagas.

> Navamsha is nava Pranas(except Dhananjaya,out of 10).

> Dwadashamsha is Budhi,Manas and Vayu.

> Trimshamsha is Chakshuradhi Pancha Jnanendriyas''.

>

> Anil: Thanks for this valuable information. Dwadashamsha=3x4?

>

> Pradeep: Thus Rashis are 12,and they constitue 12 organs as well as

> 12 bhavas.Sookshma shareera consists of navapranas and 12 indiryas.

>

> Anil:There are 5 Jnyanendriyas and 5 Karmendriyas so 10 only.

> Please give supporting verses. Organs and Indriyas are different.

>

> Pradeep:We have 108 navamshas ,24 Horas,36 drekkanas and 12

> Rashis. Why do we have just 12 Bhavas defined by

> Mahamuni and not 108/24/36. etc. Pls don't say after 12

> it is a repetition and all.Mahamunis do talk of 64th

> navamsha ,22nd drekkana etc - signifying the importance

> of each and every division.64th and 22nd have meaning

> due to the Bhavain Rashi Chakra(8th).

>

> Anil: No problem here.

>

> Pradeep:Whole is not equal to the sum of individual

> parts.Similarly you cannot arrange parts and analyse as

> if they were whole.Part will have a relation with the whole.

>

> Anil:When you say it about the application,it is true but if

> you say about the properties,it is not. Properties of water

> remain same whether you take one drop or one spoon. This is why

> Maharshi Parashar has given different applications for vargas

> but described properties of signs/houses only once.

>

> Pradeep:For the same reason lord of lagna navamsha is seen again

> from Rashi.Without Rashi navamsha has no meaning.This is

> what classical examples are demonstrating in an universal fashion.

>

> Anil: Can you elaborate on this: What is indicated by lord of

> Lagn(bhav) Vargansh in Rashi? What about Lagnesh(Bhavesh)-vargansh.

>

> BPHS says Rajyog can be seen by 4 types of Sambandh.In order of

> reducing importance they are: (Sanjay Rath taught incorrect order)

> (1)Exchange (2)Mutual Aspect (3)Aspect of Dispositor (4)Yuti.

> Out of these He clearly approves Yuti in vargas. So if Lord

> of Kendr and Kon join even in some varg,they creat Rajyog

> (related to matters of that varg in my understanding).

> However you can explain it in different way by taking lordship

> of planets from D1.But it certainly shows sambandh exist between

> planets in same varga.

>

> BPHS: 36-RAJYOGADHYAY(Ranjan publication-Delhi)

> Pratham: sthan sambandho Drishtijastu tat: param|

> Tritivastveko drishti: tat Ekatr susthiti: |5|

> Anyonygau tatha swe swe sanyutavanybhe sthitau|

> Poornekshitau mitho vapi chaik-VARG-gatau yada|6|

>

> Pradeep: " In these divisions, the divisions falling in the

> Planets exaltation Rashi, Moolatrikona Rashi, own Rashi

> and the Rashis, owned by the Lord of a Kendra from the

> Arudha Lagna, are all to be considered (as good

> Vargaas). The divisions of a combust Planet, defeated

> Planet, weak Planet and a Planet in bad Avasthas, like

> Sayan, be all ignored to be auspicious, for these

> destroy the good Yogas. "

>

> Anil: Are you sure that it is correct interpretation?

> Swaroodat can have several meanings.Here are some:

> Aroodh means seated/mounted on something.

> eg. Ashv-aroodh(seating on horse)

> Gaj-aroodh(seatng on Elephant) etc.

> A planet may be seated on some sign/house also.

> A planet may have its own aroodh called Grah-aroodh.

> Again there can be two aroodhas for it.

> Parasharji said " Grah-aroodh-Pada-twat chintaye grah varnda "

> It means from the Pada of grah-aroodh see grah varnada.

> here grah-aroodh means sign/house where grah is placed.

> This is commonly used interpretation unless it means finding

> pada of grah-pada.So Aroodh can also mean sign/house occupied

> by planet. This view has been given in Hindi translation of

> BPHS by Suresh Chandr Mishra(Ranjan Publication). Jhora do not

> have this option at present.

>

> Another meaning of this is to find Arudha of Kendresh.If Varga

> belongs to those signs,it is good.This meaning is applicable

> to all houses/grahas alike. This is in Mumbai edition.

> Narasimha,are you reading?

>

> There is another thing missing.Verse says " Utpanna yog nashka " .

> Utpanna is 5th star. If house/grah is in 5th star,it is bad.Now

> if you take varg-longitude,this also can be sorted else we

> have to ignor this.

>

> Now,how will you find that grah is in Mool-trikon or Swa-Rashi?

> Both are in same sign for most planets.You must know their

> longitude in division to confirm its placement.So if you want

> to apply above verse,you have no choice but to accept

> Varg-Longitudes.

>

> Last line has some variations in different BPHS.

> It reads Shaynadi gata dustha.....

> here Dustha means placed in 6,8,12 houses.

> If some houses are good,some must be bad.

> According to you first line applies to vargas but

> second line applies only to Rashi.This is not correct.

> Both lines apply to all vargas.In fact what Parasharji

> said,applies to all D-charts in exactly same way.This

> may not be the case for other classics.

>

> In my view,we first list out vargas having planets in

> own/exaltation sign and then shortlist by applying other

> conditions one by one.Then only we can have real yogas

> given by Sage. In current method,we find many grahas in

> good yogas but they are not effective.We need to improve

> our understanding.

> ------

> Pradeep: Do you keep changing Arudha lagna in every

> vargamsha grouping to find good amshas.What frame of

> reference are you having then.What kind of jyotish is

> this.Arudha lagna has a relationship with, and hence a

> quality to influence, our Lagna.This arudha Lagna is

> represented by a Rashi.If planets are falling within

> amshas of Rashis, owned by the Lord of a Kendra from the

> Arudha Lagna(the above said Rashi),it can be considered

> as a good varga.No amsha can be found without referring

> to rashi chakra.Can you please find one for me!!!.

> How many Arudha lagnas are you planning to have then.If

> you start finding kendras etc from arudha lagna in every

> varga -you will end up with all rashis as good

> vargas.Please don't make astrology a laughing

> stock.Similarly do you find combustion and avasthas in

> every varga to find good amshas.There has to be a fixed

> frame of reference and you find amshas from that.

>

> Anil: AL for D1 is only one but as mentioned above,correct

> interpretation may be different.However,it is possible to

> project signs from D1 into D9 etc. just like you project

> D9 to D1.Once you understand this,everything will be clear

> but for this,you must accept the existance of D-charts.

> You will agree that what is good for your kid,may not be

> good for you. eg. try to drive his tricycle! This is why

> for different D-charts,different frame of reference is needed.

>

> As a practical verification,try to look at dasha-bhukti of

> planets in mutual 6-8 position in D-chart.Even if they are

> well placed in D1,you will find that native has suffered

> some problems.I am unemployed in Rahu-Sun. They are in 6-8

> in D10 while they are in 3-11 in D1.This gives clear picture

> in D10. you have to use different logic for it if you use

> only D1 chart. Same thing applies to all other parameters like

> combustion,avastha,war etc.Once you interchange the role of

> D1 and D-n you will understand everything I am saying.Try it

> on your own chart and share your findings.I will give another

> hint. malefics are good in 3,6,11 and benefics are bad in

> 3,6,8,12 houses.Using this general principle,find good bad

> planets in each D-chart.Dasha of good/bad planets will give

> good/bad results for that varg. Bhukti results depend more

> on Dasha-Pravesh-charts. From basics,you can build on

> further by using other fundamentals.

>

> Pradeep: Now anyone who tries to underdstand the AL usage

> (for finding good amshas),will be clear on where an Arudha

> has to be seen. Lagna navamsha is derived from Rashichakra,

> but arudha of lagna is derived independently!!!

> Upon availability of classical shlokas,on interpretation

> of amsharudhas,one can find degree of AL,and from there

> the amshas.(Same as derivation of any amsha).But finding

> AL,UL etc individually (by grouping individual amshas)

> is neither classical nor logical.

>

> Anil: AL in D9 is arrived from D9 lagn and Lord of this Lagn

> which may not be same as Lagnesh in D1.This is why we can not

> use Anshas of AL as AL in D-charts. However,D9 lagn depends on

> D1 lagn. It is like you make Ghee(butter) from milk and use it for

> frying.If you think that milk must be used for frying as Ghee

> is obtained from it,you may be correct.

>

> Pradeep: I am having the translation of original(palm leaf)

> dashadhyayi from sanskrit to malayalam.Some other

> versions are not complete and have discrepencies.

>

> Anil: I wanted to get this book with Hindi/English translation

> but so far I do not know. If you/others know the publisher/e-text

> please let me know.I know it is must to understand hidden

> meanings in Brihat Jatak.

>

> Pradeep: In Prashna,the querent and the surroundings are studied

> in relation to the moving zodiac.For this purpose,udaya

> lagna and the relative positions corresspond to moving

> zodiac,while the querent and his surroundings,the fixed

> chakra.Arudha is understood as the sign in which the

> querent is seated.Also Arudha is found through placement

> of gold etc,.From these,i understand arudha as having

> more siginificance w.r to a sign/bhava rather than any

> specific point.Mathematical computation w.r to lagna,

> not playing a role in finding arudha in the case of

> swarnarudha,is explaining this.As many learned members

> of this group have expressed concerns in the past,i too

> feel,mixture of parashari,jaimini,yavana styles are

> leading to many confusions

>

> Anil: I agree about mixing Prashn and natal but if we get

> better understanding of principle by using different classics,

> there is no harm in mixing.Aroodh in BPHS is different then Prashn.

> Need of finding Longitude of Aroodh even in Prashn shows that

> it is a specific point. Exception of 10th house must be based

> on this point rather then sign.I think exception is limited to

> duel signs only.

>

> Pradeep: Regarding Bhava madhya,Chandrashekhar ji had once

> expressed his preference for equal houses.Also shri

> Chandrahari had advised in similar lines.

> Now when i try to understand classics,i get a simialr

> feeling.Irrespective of the position of

> lagna(degree),the entire rashi should become the first

> bhava.Now for results (phalaniroopana) on various

> bhavas,we have divisions of rashis,avasthas of

> planets,nature of rashi,rising direction etc.

> Eg.1)Lagna falling in the first,middle or last drekkona - giving

> different results.

> 2)Lagna falling in Sheershodaya etc .(sheershodaya and

> benefic planets giving good results in the beginning).

> Thus differences due to lagnas position will be taken

> care by consideraions similar to the above,and bhava

> madhaya as such may not be needed.Similarly for every

> graha - avasthas,various divisions etc are capable of

> taking care of the relative positions within a sign

> acting as a Bhava.

>

> Anil: You are correct about equal house in a way but sign=bhav

> is not correct.Rashi chart shows Rashi placement and lordship

> while Bhav-chalit shows bhav placement and bhavesh results.

> As long as you do analysis based on Rashi,you do not need Bhav

> chart.

> If you want to do bhav analysis you need bhav-kundali.

> All your arguments stress predictions based on Rashi(sign).

> You never say anything about houses.The fact is,house results

> are most important and sign results are just showing the strength.

>

> Again equal house is valid only for individual points.

> When you see houses from Lagn/planet you find houses from them

> having same longitude in different signs. For other matters,you

> need to use Sreepati house system which is based on time division

> rather then longitude division.This is why KP gives good results.

> (Sreenad's views are wrong and misguiding about Sreepati house

> system).

> Verify transit of planets on the cusp of this house system by

> choosing

> houses where malefic/benefic planet is close to cusp in birth-chart

> sothat cusp is within Deeptansh of planet.Sun's transit on a

> particular

> day of year will be always good/bad.Note that longitude and verify

> that

> it is on that cusp!

>

> Pradeep: If a graha in good kshethra(moolatrikona,ucha,swa) is

> having amshaka in shathru,neecha ,then phala will be mishra(mixed)

> etc.

> based on other strengths of the graha.Similarly if it has good

> amshaka

> despite of bad kshethra,mishra phala results.

>

> Anil: If a planet is in good kshethra in both D1 and D9 then will it

> give good results if it is placed in bad house? This is why your

> views

> are highly neglecting houses in arguments.

>

> eg. consider Guru in Tula(enemy's sign) has 5 Rekhas in Ashtakvarg.

> It will give good results to extent 5/8. In Vinshopak, Shatru-sign

> gives 7.5/20 good results and 12.5/20 bad results.

> So good results are (5/8)*(7.5/20)*100=24%

> Bad results are (3/8)*(12.5/20)*100=24%

> So you get an idea of mixing the two parameters.

>

> If Tula becomes neutral due to Tatkalik-friendship,it will give

> Good=(5/8)*(10/20)*100=31%

> Bad=(3/8)*(10/20)*100=19%

>

> If Guru is uchch(exalted),

> Good=(5/8)*(20/20)*100=63%

> Bad=(3/8)*(00/20)*100=0%

>

> Note that they do not add to 100%

>

> If Guru is uchch,with 8 Rekhas

> Good=(8/8)*(20/20)*100=100%

> Bad=(0/8)*(00/20)*100=0%

>

> So when house placement and dignity both combine,they give full

> results.

> Jhora has no option for finding good/bad Bal/drishti though given

> in

> BPHS.

>

> Pradeep: Dashasdhyayi says - Rashi has six synonyms or

> paryaya.Thus for natal horoscopy one has to see 6 lagnas

> for the same matter.Lagna Rashi,Chandra Lagna Rashi,The

> Rashi containing lords of lagna and chandra,Chandra

> Lagnamshaka Rashi (the Rashi in which Chndra has amsha)

> and Lagnamshaka Rashi.All these are seen from Rashi

> Chakra.Thus we have to understand that amshaka and all

> amshas are happening within the same Rashi chakra.

> Similarly for Prashna matters,one has to see -

> Udaya Rashi,Arudha Rashi,Udaya navamsha Rashi,

> Chathra rashi,Sprishtanga rashi and Chandra Rashi.

> Here we do not see any arudha navamsha rashi - why?

> No one with sense will talk of navamsha for Arudha.

> VarahaMihira does not know about any amshaarudhas

> but we have high knowledge!!!!VarahaMihira mentioned amshas for

> lagna,chandra,udaya,etc but not for Arudha.

>

> Anil: Here you must note the difference in Prashn and Natal

> analysis.

> Dashasdhyayi is just a commentry on Varahmihira's Brihat Jatak.

> Varahji has not used Arudhas any where in his work so how can

> commentrator

> add it there? Just because Varahmihir has not given Vinshottary

> dasha,why

> don't you stop its use? Can you prove that Varahmihir had knowledge

> of

> Rashi and Grah/udu dashas? Can you find mention of Aroodha even for

> D1?

> If that is the case,then why are you looking for D-n Aroodhas?For

> me,

> it is enough that BPHS has mentioned them.I will reject something

> if

> it

> is against BPHS even if said by Varahmihir eg. I use only

> Parasharji's

> Ashtakvarg.

>

> Pradeepji, You do not illustrate by practical examples like

> Narasimha.

> I can test his ideas and accept/reject them as per my experience.

> You do not allow us to verify if your rules are sufficient or not.

> You mentioned that you will be giving practical examples of chart

> analysis using Anshas but you have not done so far.

> I am waiting eagerly.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

> ------------------------------

> Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa - Raman & Lahiri: Chart 3

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> RAM KRISHN HARE

>

> You have good work but failed to see some points.

> (1) There is no use of ashtakvarg in calculation so it can not be

> Ashtakavarg Grah Dasa.It just shows possibility of interpretation

> of dasha using Ashtakavarg.What Shree C.S.Patel ji gave in his book

> is real Ashtakavarga Dasa.You can refer to Event-dasha-transit.xls

> for calculations based on it but it is not in the form of dasha.

>

> (2)In most cases,Mahadasha is correct but Antardasha is wrong.

> This is because Mahadasha is calculated strictly as per BPHS.

> Bhukti is normally calculated from same sign or its lord.

> Mr. Raman has used from Karak but it must be wrong.If we do

> that,all bhukties will be starting from shukr in all dashas.

> It is therefore better to stick to standered bhukti calculation.

>

> (3)It is possible that you use Karak-lagn-kundali and apply

> dasha/bhukti in it and then verify using Rekha and Karan based

> calculation of Pind,Rashi,Nakshatr(available in excel sheet).

> It is said that transit of Guru in Rashi/Nakshatr obtained in

> Karan based calculation give good results.Similarly for Dashas.

>

> (4)He has used UL as lagn. He takes 7 and 2 from UL for timing.

> This is justified as first and second sleeping partner because

> 12th house shows bed pleasures and hence 7th from it can

> show sleeping partners in bed.In some cases,if there is 2nd such

> partner,2nd house(8th from 7th) will become important. So first

> choice must be 7th house even if weak. Find stronger 7th from UL

> out of D1 and D9 on the basis of their placement in D1.

>

> (5)Above use is incorrect if we use Sanjay's view that UL is

> Lagn of spouse. 12th house is 6th from 7th so Sanjay himself calls

> UL in D9 as shatru-pad of spouse but in D1,he takes it as Lagn

> and calls 2/7 houses from UL as marakas for spouse. Logically,

> Raman's view looks better but Sanjay and many others are using

> it successfully. I too got good results from Sanjay's approach.

>

> (6)In my BPHS,UL is defined in different way.

> It is still A12 but " Arudha of 12th house from AL " . I have not

> seen anyone using this defination. You can check it with Patel ji

> as he also has same BPHS so he may have tried this defination.

> (I have given you web site of publisher www.khe-shri.com)

>

> (7)I wrote you in reply to Ju based Vinshottary dasha that dasha

> calculations are based on RAMAN ayanamsa. So it may be good but

> I use Lahiri.

>

> (8)In his article on Grah dasha, Mr. Raman has again violeted

> clear instructions by sage Parashar to divide Dasha in 12 signs

> and then see results based on ashtakvarg of dasha lord. See BPHS.

> For further timing,this method can be extended to sub dashas.

> I found it giving good results even by using NB/NM transits.

>

> (9) Use of Prastar-ashtakvarg MUST be avoided. Order and span

> of kakshyas are as per patyayni dasha. This Dasha is used in

> Sudarshan Chakr Dasha Pravesh Charts(also called Tajik-charts)

> to divide one year duration of SCD into 8 parts lorded by Lagn

> and 7 planets which constitute Ashtakvarg.

> Since BPHS reccomends use of SCD with Ashtakvarg,This is the best

> way to divide Dasha period of Rashi in 8 parts.

>

> [sarvarth Chintamani says Tithi has 1,Nakshatr has 10 while Lagn has

> 100,000(hundred thousand)times effect. Since SCD is based on Lagn,

> I consider SCD/Tajik stronger than TP,NP,YP,KP etc.]

>

> (10) You can learn many things from his article.

> (a)Use of Char and other Rashi/Grah dashas for timing varg events.

> (b)Use of D1-ashtakvarg in interpretation of vargas.

> ©Use of standered parameters for deciding correct dasha/bhukti

> (d)Use of different systems in calculations of results.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

> ------------------------

> You wrote:

> Chart 3

>

> Chart: September 18, 1959

> Time:11:30:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 74 E 38' 00 " , 26 N 27' 00 "

> Ajmer, India

>

> Marriage Nov 2001

>

> Project: Just to determine the correct Main Dasa

>

> a) Raman Ayanamsa

>

> Step 1: Nav becomes Li, UL is in Ta, so take 2nd from it and 7th

> from

> it,

> 2nd from it has 2 planets so it becomes COMPUTED SIGN - which is GE

>

> Step 2: Ge or signs aspecting it will give marriage, so

> Vi, Sg & Pi become additional contenders

>

> Step 3: Those signs of the above 4 having higher bindus can give,

> SAV:Ge:33, Vi-33, Sg:25 & Pi:23

>

> Final: BUT Marriage happened on Nov 2001 when Leo Dasa

> was running from 1991 to 2002

>

>

> b) Lahiri Ayanamsa

>

> Step 1: nav Lagna changes to Vi, UL is in Ge, so 2nd house

> from it becomes Cn & 7th becomes Sg, both do not have

> planets, Jup and Mer aspect each other, so choice becomes tougher

> so finally we take Dual signs as strongest ad hence SG

> becomes highest contender of COMPUTED Sign

>

> Step 2: Signs aspected SG , is Ge, Vi & Pi

>

> Step 3: Ge & Vi have high bindus of 33 each

>

> Final: Non of the above Signs gave Marriage in main dasa

> of theirs , Leo Dasa gave marriage

>

> Special Thinking Note: 7th lord of Navamsa, who is also

> 7th lord of 7th from UL is JUP, which is placed in Leo,

> was this the reason that

> Leo Dasa gave Marriage

>

>

> Determining Antars

> STep 4: Sodya Pinda of Ven: 104 * bindus in 7th from Ven

> in PAV of Ven which is 5

> 104*5=520 remainder is 4, so CN or SC or PI can be the antars

>

> In Rasi, Ven is in Leo & antars start from Leo and ends

> in Cn, Dasa period is of 11yrs, so each antar is of 11

> months equal

>

> 18-OCT month -2001- from this period onwards Cn antar

> was ON, as we can see from STEP 4, CN is capable of

> giving marriage as seen above & marriage happened within

> 1 month of the antar starting

>

> NOw if it is RAMAN ayanamsa, sodya pinda and bindus of

> Ven PAV remain same and hence it remains Cn n similarly

> becomes capable of giving marriage in its antar

>

> If mistake has happened in calculations pls point it out.

>

> SJ

> --

> -

> Rules for D-charts

>

> Dear Members

>

> RAM KRISHN HARE

>

> Some members are asking for the rules regarding interpretation

> of D-charts. Here is a compilation of mails sent by Shree Vinayji

> on other list that will be very useful for analysis. You can

> use these rules in any D-chart. In my view, just use all rules

> for D1 analysis in D-chart.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

> -----------

> SESHADRI IYER'S CONCEPTS OF DIVISONAL CHARTS:

>

> 1.The most important and necessary condition for a

> planet to give beneficial effect of the D chart is its

> relative good position from the lagna of that D-chart

> irrespective of other factors such as being in

> inimical or debilitated sign or aspect or conjunction

> with other planets. Thus under this theory primary

> factor is its position from D-lagna. If the planet be

> in places other than 3,6,8, and 12 (Dusthanas) it

> gives good results, its magnitude depending on other

> factors. But if they are in Dustnanas they always give

> bad results whatever their other results be.

>

> But there are some exceptions to this:

>

> a)Kuja even in 6th in all D charts does good for he

> aspects lagna from 6th.

>

> b)Budha even in 8th in D-4 only gives good. Note the

> general theory of Budha being in 8 as being

> exceptionally lucky. It is only here and not in other

> D charts.

>

> c)Shani though in 8 does not kill, is the general say.

> This holds good only in D-8 chart when Shani is in D-8

> lagna and not elsewhere. Thus the above 3 exceptions

> have to be remembered.

>

> 2.Consider both the Rasi chart (D-1) and the

> divisional chart to weigh an effect. As stated above,

> position in D chart surpasses that in D-1 chart. Even

> though a planet is in bad bhava in D-1, he gives good

> effects of a D chart if he is there in good position

> from D lagna. Likewise however powerfully and

> favorably a planet is situated in D-1, if he is in

> Dustana in the D chart he gives bad effects of that

> D-chart.

>

> 3.Having concluded the good or bad effects as per

> Rules 1 and 2 above the magnitude of the effect has to

> be judged from both D-1 and D-charts as follows:

>

> a.If the planet has any kind of Shadbalas [Temporal

> (Kalaja), Motional (chesta), exaltation (uccha),

> Directional (Digbala), Declinatory (Ayanabala), or

> positional (Sthanabala)] in D-chart and favourably

> situated from its Lagna it gives good effects of a

> higher magnitude, the more the quantum the more the

> simultaneous varied strengths. If in addition to this

> the planet is also powerfully situated in D-1 also

> excellent results of a superior degree happen.

>

> b.Even a mere ordinary good position in D-chart

> coupled with strong position in D-1 (though in Dustana

> in D-1) gives effects of a higher order.

>

> c.But, however strongly and favourably situated in D-1

> if the planet be in Dustana in D-chart he does bad to

> that chart portfolio even if he is exalted or in his

> own house in that D-chart. All these establish the

> necessity of a planet being in good positions from the

> D-lagna to give the good results.

>

> 4) A combust or vanquished planet (in planetary fight)

> in D-1 is of no avail in D chart even if he is well

> placed and powerfully situated in D- Chart. He will

> give worst results to that D-effect if he is also

> badly placed in D-chart. It precisely amounts to

> dealing with a dead object.

>

> 5) If a planet situated favorably in D-chart is

> debilitated it gives good effect if it attains Neecha

> Bhanga.

>

> 6) Of all the powerful positions the most important

> are (a) Exaltation (b) Vargottama © Own house (d)

> Digbala. All these have to be applied to all the

> D-Charts. In this connection remember that a planet

> situated in the same sign both in D-1 and any other

> D-Chart must be construed as being in Vargottama with

> respect to that D chart and the effects of that

> D-chart read thereon. Unfortunately this aspect is

> being judged only by Navamsha position. (D-9) when you

> apply this theory you get convinced.

>

> 7) For reasons stated above exaltations in 3,6,8 or 12

> in D-Chart are of no avail.

>

> 8) See if any of the general Yogas exist in the

> D-chart. If so gauge the magnitude by their strengths

> as stated above.

>

> 9) The effects of planets in the D chart get modified

> by conjunction or aspect of other planets in the D

> chart. Here only the natural benefics and natural

> malefics are to be taken and not the functional ones.

> Among benefics, Guru is the only planet to alleviate

> evil indicated by a planet in bad position in the

> D-chart. If that Guru is powerfully situated in that D

> chart his aspect is certainly of effect, but a

> debilitated Guru cannot be banked upon.

>

> 10) The birth Yogi and Avayogi have to be noted here.

> If the birth Yogi is in a good place in D-chart, he

> gives yoga to that effect but in a bad position he is

> lost. Similarly, birth Avayogi in a favorable position

> in D-chart will create hindrances, anxieties and

> trouble.

>

> 11.Lordship of Bhavas are to be considered only in D-1

> and not in D-charts except lord of D-lagna.

>

> 12.A debilitated planet in D-Chart though in good

> position gives bad, if there be no Neecha Bhanga.

>

> 13.D-Lagna becoming Vargottama is itself an indication

> of the effect of that D-Chart going very high provided

> its lord is well placed there. If he is in Dusthana

> in such a D-chart, only dreamy effects are felt by the

> native. In addition to D-lagna being Vargottama, its

> lord be also likewise or otherwise powerfully and

> favourably situated in D-chart, he gives excellent

> results.

>

> 14.3rd and 8th places are deathlike places. A planet

> in 8th or 3rd in D-chart causes death to that effect.

> In D-9 to wife, in D-10 to profession. Death may be

> construed as also severance. A planet in 3rd in D-10

> causes retirement from service. Please note the

> exception of Shani in 1st house in D-8 and Budha in

> 8th in D-4.

>

> 15.2nd house is said to be a neutral house. A planet

> in 2nd house in a D-chart also behaves likewise.

>

> 16.A planet in 6th house in D-chart in a powerful rasi

> gives good first and bad later on.

>

> 17.It is said in general astrology that the more the

> number of planets aspecting Lagna, the more powerful

> the native becomes. The same theory applies to

> D-chart also.

>

> 18.Benefics on either side of Lagna is said to confer

> Yoga. True even in the case of D-chart. But in such

> a situation if any malefic joins the benefic, the Yoga

> gets marred. Similarly, malefics on either side

> though spoils first, gets better if any benefics joins

> them. What is said of Lagna holds good with respect

> to the 7th house too.

> Here one thing has to be noted. In the case of

> malefics if they are Birth Yogi or in their own house

> in D-chart they give modified good effects.

>

> 19.Just as the 2nd and the 12th places from the lagna were

> dealt in point 18, if planets are placed equidistantly from

> lagna such as 2-12, 3-11, 4-10, 5-9, 6-8, 1-7 they cause

> effects as stated above depending on their natural benefic

> or malefic character. This is a special mention of Jaimini

> known as Sankhya Yoga.

>

> 19.In D-12 if moon is with Kethu invariably the

> native's mother becomes a widow.

>

> 20.Planets or bhavas hemmed in between malefics goes

> bad. Similarly a planet in a D-chart or a D-chart

> lagna hemmed in between malefics becomes bad.

>

> 21.Malefics in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses in a D-chart

> is not good. Benefics in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses in a

> D-chart is good.

>

> 22.An incident such as marriage day, commencement of

> profession or fresh undertaking, birth of an issue,

> etc happening during the period of a planet situated

> badly in the respective D-chart may not end happily.

>

> 23.Accession, election and other positions of

> conferrable nature are to be read from D-11.

>

> [D11 is Labhamsa (profit & loss) (2 degrees, 8 mins and 11 secs)

> He gave this quite a lot of importance. For even if one's status is

> not good a happily situated D11 chart will confer on the native

> financial felicity

> tending his balance sheet towards profit side even without the

> least

> exertion for the same due to his past good karma. D10 represents

> earned

> income, while D11 represents unearned income as patrimony, easy

> income, side

> income, lottery, gambling etc. The formation of this chart is

> peculiar. In

> all rashis start from Mesha only and go in reverse order. Thus you

> see that

> the sign Vrishabha goes without any Amsha as the last eleventh

> Amsha

> closes

> with Mithuna.]

>

> 24.Uccha with Neecha or one with his enemy – Not good.

>

> 25.Of the 2 planets on either side of lagna or

> equidistant from D-lagna if one is benefic and the

> other malefic, then bad results are felt only during

> the malefic period.

>

> 26.A planet, though in the 8th house in D-chart, does

> not harm if aspected by a powerful Guru.

>

> 27. Female horoscope is specially treated by classics

> confining at least to our Indian womanhood. As

> marriage and married life is held sacred in India D-9

> is held very important for females. If this Navamsha

> chart is good, all the rest are good.

>

> 28.A karaka in bad position in D-8 kills the relative

> connoted by the karaka. Sun in 8th house in D-8 kills

> father, Moon - Mother, Shukra -Wife and so on.

>

> 29. Any yoga in a D-chart is no doubt operative

> through out life but is particularly felt during their

> periods.

>

> 30. Even a debilitated planet in good position in a

> D-chart does good if he is a Yoga Planet.

>

> 31. In D-11 the effect of the Bhava occupied by the

> planet counted from D-lagna happens, one in 7th house

> causes marriage, in 4th property etc.

>

> 32. Parivartana Yoga (mutual exchange of grahas)

> existing in D-chart has its due effect.

>

> 33. What are all said of the planets in D-charts will

> be felt during their periods.

>

> 34. If the lord of the D-lagna is Birth Yogi or

> Duplicate Yogi he gives Yoga effects even in ordinary

> position.

>

> 35. If the lord of the D-lagna is in Dusthana the

> result will be bad on or after its Dasha.

>

> 36. Karaka in Bhava is bad as per general astrology.

> How to apply it to D-charts? Karaka in the

> corresponding D-lagna is bad. Example: If Budha is in

> lagna in D-24 education gets spoiled. Shukra in D-9

> lagna affects the wife. Sun and moon in D-12 lagna

> affects father and mother respectively. Kuja in D-3

> lagna affects the younger co-born and so on.

>

> With this ends Sri. Sheshadri Iyer's concepts of

> Divisional charts. I urge on esteemed members to

> share/contribute their views.

>

> Best Regards,

> Vinay, Dubai

>

> ------------------------------

>

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

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Dear Vijay Goel ji, It is very good that we have many such scholars in this group; but it is sad that many of them are not much active. Anil Kumar, Dakshinamoorti, Ageeneya, Ahuja, Ash, Ramesh, Nirmal, Sunil John, Sanjay Rath, Sarbani, Varsha prasad, Ernest Wilhem, Eswaran (cbhpub), Niranjan Babu etc etc to name a few. I hope more and more of them will become more active - and share with us their vast knowledge. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I really respect Sri Anil Kumarji for having variety of system he uses.> Thankyou for re-posting his old mails.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> jaipur