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Dear All,

This is another informative mail from Anil Kumar ji which appeared in

vedic astrology group in 2006.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology , " aokedia " <anilkedia wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Group Members,

 

Shree Ramam Sah-Laxmanam Sakarunam Seetanvitam Satvikam

Vaidehi-mukh-padm-lubdha-madhupam Paulasty-samharkam

Vande Vandh-Pad-ambujam Survaram Bhaktanukampakaram

Shatrughnen Hanumata cha Bharten-asevitam Raghvam

 

There are 10 Mails in this post.

Sun in Aris in Natal chart(Principles)

Sun in Aris in Natal chart - Let us predict - An excersise

Bhrigu-Bindu

Bhakti and Gyan(For Bharat)

Bhav analysis (For Jeedee)

Vashy-Koot

Ego-AK-Moksh-Ketu

True nodes

Bhav-Kundali

Re: 5 mails (The Valuable mail from Anil ji)

(Reply to Sreenadh,Sreeram srinivas,Tej,Bharat,RK Dash,Satish,Arjun,

Pradeep and Dakshinamoorti ji)

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Sun in Aris in Natal chart(Principles)

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Shree Ram's Chart should be seen first at the commencement of

Jyotish learning. I will explain with Shree Ram's chart.

 

Ravi in Mesh will give argala on Mithun,Makar and Meen.It will

obstruct

results of Kumbh, Kark and Vrishabh. It means native will be:

brave and with good friends[Mithun(3rd)-Budh(friends)],

very hard working for masses[Makar(10th)-Shani(masses)] and

will move in good/holy places near water[Meen(12th)-Guru(good)].

 

Native will be resistant to:

gains/taxes from poor[Kumbh(11th)-Shani(poor)],

emotional disturbances[Kark(4th)-Moon(emotions)] and

second marriage[Vrishabh(2nd)-Shukr(marriage)].

 

Ravi in 11th from Mithun will form Labh Agala meaning support for

matters

indicated by Mithun(sign/house/planet) by Kshatriyas/Kings/Brave

people

resulting in gains due to courage.Exaltation will increase gains with

minimum efforts.Mithun is natural 3rd house indicates short

journey,hands

etc. So such matters are promoted. In Shree Ram's chart we can see

that

HE went with sage Vishvamitr on short journey and using Hand operated

weapons killed Rakshasas to protect Yagya.Further using hands HE broke

Shiv-Dhanush to get Married with Sita. Marriage promoted Mithun

(union) too.

See How HE was rewarded when HE used HIS courage/hands.

 

Ravi in 4th from Makar will form Sukh Argala meaning happiness for

matters

indicated by Makar.Ravi is friendly to moon(Karak for 4th) so it will

give

blessings of mother to get matters indicated by Makar. Makar is

natural 10th

house indicating Karmas.It also indicates Agya(order),power,prestige

etc.

Sun himself is Karak for power so naturally Argala of Sun on Makar

promoted

this aspect. HIS orders are compulsory even for deities! Shani is

karak for

service. Budh is not friend for Ravi. This aspect was not promoted.

 

Ravi in 2nd from Meen will form Dhan Argala meaning resources for

matters

indicated by Meen.Blessings of family to fulfill Meen related matters.

Meen is natural 12th house indicating forign,travelling,legs etc.

Ravi is supposed to provide resources for forign travell whose karaka

is

Rahu(enemy to Sun). So it has not given resources and HE went to

forest

without money etc. However it has not obstructed indications of

travel/forign.

 

Meen is Dwiswabhav and Jal Rashi so it indicates both moving and

stationary

water. Sea is an example of it [moving water means river = movable

water

sign Kark,Fixed water means lake/well/tank = fixed water sign

Vrishchik,

eg. hot water running from tap = kark + mangal etc.]

 

Lord of Meen Guru is friend so Ravi gave HIM good resources for

crossing the

sea(Meen) by constructing Bridge(stones) with the help of monkeys

(Mesh).

 

Both malefic and benefic promote matters of house/planet/sign

on which they form Argala.If in places of obstruction both will

obstruct

those matters. Benefics will do this in good/easy/smooth manner while

malefic will do it in bad/hard manner. eg. If Mars is causing Argala,

it gives fight and then sucsses. If Mars is obstructing then it will

give

fight but failure regarding house/planet/sign obstructed by it.

Similarly Shani can give Success/failure by delaying the matters

related

to house occupied by him.Budh can do it by talking/debate.

 

I do not agree with Sanjay's view that Argala of Malefic when

obstucted

by benefics gives good results or Argala of malefics give bad results.

Any planet/sign if causing argala on 11th house will promote gains,on

Sun it will promote health, on Mesh, it will promote activeness.

Similarly

these things will be obstructed if in 3/10/12 houses(Virodh/Dusht

Argala).

If combined effect of Yoga is different,consider yoga results instead

of

individual grah/bhav/rashi effect and then see Argala or obstruction.

 

Argala will always protect the things indicated by yoga or leave it

unaffected. If Yoga results are good,it will promote good. If Yoga

results

are bad,argala will promote bad results.It does not matter that

argala is

by benefics or malefics.However aspect can change the results to good

or

bad.Similarly Virodh Argala will always obstruct what ever good/bad

results

are indicated by house. In other words if some house is giving bad

results

then Virodh Argala will obstruct its bad results and they will not be

felt.

In the same way,it can block good results too.

 

Mesh is aspecting Simh,Vrishchik and Kumbh by Rashi Drishty. These

signs

are also aspecting Mesh by Rashi Drishty. Thus there is a parmanent

effect

of these signs(and houses/planets joining them) on each other.Sun

being

friendly to Sc,aspect will boost related matters. Simh is owned by

Sun. So

there is complete protection to Leo matters. Kumbh is enemy's sign so

it

will be reduced but based on house signification,selective matters

whose karkas are friendly to Sun will not be affected.

 

Ravi will aspect Tula from Mesh. Tula is 7th house in Kal-Purush

Kundali.

It is lorded by Shukr(Karak for wife). So Ravi created a desire for

marriage in Sita when SHE was going to temple(Shukr is in 9th house).

Since Sun becomes debilited in Tula,the desire was for complete

surrender

to HIM. Debilitation shows devotion,politness too. Since Tula is 4th

house,

HE always remained polite/dedicated to HIS mother. Tula has Shani

(Lord-A6)

in 4th house. HE politly requested Ravan to educate about experiences

gained

by him.This event occured at the end of enemity when Ravan was dying

because

Shani is lord of 2nd(Marak) for 6th(enemy). 7th house shos desire nd

hence

7th aspect also gives desire.

 

Take another example.Shukr aspects Kanya(6th house-enemy).Lord Budh is

in 11th(gain) with Rahu(cheating).So a forigner(Rahu) enemy(Ravan)

desired

to gain HIS wife by cheating. I hope application of Argala,Rashi

Drishti

and Grah Drishti is now clear.

 

Note: We know that Laxman ji was also born during same period.

He was incarnation of Sheshnag so nodes can not be debilited.

So consider HIS Rahu exalted in Vrishabh.

 

Now some remedial measures:

 

Since Sun is health-Karak,digestive fire is strong and it can give

good

health. In order to improve digestion,in India,people use Tambool

(Pan).

So eating Pan(betal leaf) can remove problems caused by Sun.

For this reason,it is said that before going out on Sunday,

person should eat Pan to ensure good results.

 

Guru(intelligence) in Kark(4th-education) can indicate intelligent

student.

So now you know why milk(Kark) is important for buddhi(Guru).

 

Another example can be Shukr in Meen. We know that Meen is Jal-Rashi

and

indicates feet. 12th house shows bed-pleasures too. So if a person

washes

his feet before going to bed,he gets good sleep.

 

These are just small examples of remedial measures. So next time when

you will see some remedy from Lal-Kitab,think on these lines. There is

excellent use of Rashi-Bhav-Grah karakatwas in those remedies.

They indicate Desh -Kal -Patr respectively. While gems can make a

planet strong,these remedies can force a planet to give results of

some other house which may not be joined/aspected by planet.

 

According to tradition,various Deities are worshiped for various

purposes.

This is independent of chart. For example, in order to get rid of

serious

diseases Maha-Mrityunjay-Jap is commonly used. It is prescribed even

without

any chart etc. just on the basis of problems. This is similar to

giving

painkiller like paracetamol for headach and it works.

 

Reason is hidden in Deities of planets. Sun is Karak for first house

(health)

and its Deity is Lord Shiv.So worship of Lord Shiv makes Sun Strong

and

all houses for which Sun is Karak,will improve.Similarly, houses

owned,

joined,aspected by Sun will also improve but that needs to be checked

in chart. Now we can use chart information to boost results.While GOD

needs only a prayer from the bottom of your heart,based on placement

of

Sun(Bhav-Karak)we can find out the Tatwa eg. in watery sign,pour water

on Lord-Shiv.Similarly we can find objects/materials shown by

planets/sign/

nakshatr from Brihat-Jatak etc. and use then in worship of Lord Shiv.

Sun being karak for 10th house(job),worship of Lord-Shiv is

recommended

for solving such problems.

 

Since Akash Tatwa(sound-Mantra) is present in all signs,Mantra-Jap is

universal remedy independent of placement.

 

Some other examples are: Shukr(dara-karak,Vehicles) Lorded by Goddess

Laxmi.

So worship of Goddess Laxmi will help in getting wife/vehicle/money

(2nd-Lord). Goddess Parvati is Deity for moon(mother,happiness).HER

worship

will ensure happiness.Rahu's Deity is Goddess Durga and HER worship

helps

in problems related to durgam(difficult) forign journey/land/import

etc.

Ketu indicates end and obstruction/mistakes.Lord Ganesh(Deity of

Ketu) is

worshipped before starting any thing and every thing to rule out all

troubles that may occure in that work.Ketu becomes debilited in

Mithun.

So durva(grass-Budh) is offered to Lord Ganesh.Similarly other matters

can be explored for worship.One can choose specific form of Lord

Ganesh

based on sign/house/nakshatr-charan and also the name/Mantra to be

recited.

 

While any remedy to make Bhav-Karak strong will give good

result,advantage with remedies involving Deities is that they also

give blessings of relevent Deities which has its own impact in

solving the problem.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Sun in Aris in Natal chart - Let us predict - An excersise

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Shree Ram also has exalted Ravi in Mesh. I will try to examine

your points in HIS chart. In my last mail,I gave some principles

to derive the results of any sign/planet in any house.I hope that

will be useful for your exercise Sun in Lagn.

 

1) Aries Fire sign – Sun Fire planet

The native will have qualities such as valor, self

confidence, commanding power, leadership quality etc. OK

2) Aries Chara (Moving) sign – Sun Chara (Moving) planet.

The native would like to travel, would like to settle

abroad, and would be restless indulging in one thing or the other all

the time. He won't like to waste time, but would instead would try to

use it in a meaningful way – by engaging in right actions. OK

3) Aries is Yagur sign – Sun significator of Yaga

The native would like to do fire worships such as Yaga, Homa

etc. He may also engage in great/good works such as creation of Pool,

Hospital, School, etc for the sake of society/public (Since such

works are equivalent to yaga, i am guessing this). OK

4) Aries first sign, Ma leader with power – Su significator of power

The native would like to live like a king, attain power,

won't like to bow before anybody whom he does not respect, will love

politics or would like to do good for the community of which he

consider himself as the patron. OK

5) Aries, exalted sign of Sun, significator of Father – Sun,

significator of father

His father will nurture good principles, and the native will

try to imitate his father in certain issues and will have a high

regard for him. OK

6) Aris, indicates a siva temple, since Su is exalted there – Su

significator of Siva.

The native may have a Siva temple near his house. He is

usually not a worshiper of Siva since he himself is sivamsa. He

would like to worship Vishnu, since an exalted sun indicates Sivamsa

(A fragment with the nature of siva), and all sivamsa people would

love to worship Vishnu. It is also possible that he is worshiper of

Hanuman/Bajranj bali or any such powerful daity who in himself is a

worshiper of Vishnu/Krishna etc.

 

Anil: Shree Ram was devotee of Lord Shiv.Mesh is body indicating

monkey.

Ravi is Shiv. Shiv in the body of Monkey means Hanumanji! being in

10th,

Hanumanji did the work of Shree Ram. Being exalted,Great(impossible)

works.

Your point about Shivansha is valid if Lagn is Leo. Sun is Lord

of 2nd and entire family of Shree Ram worshiped Sun-God!

 

7) The sign in which Su is placed can be taken as Lagna, since in

several things such as job, 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Sun is

considered. This means:

* He would have many natures of Aries Lagna people.

* He would have a job in service sector, since 10th house is owned by

Sa.

 

Anil: It is not correct in Shree Ram's case. May be because Makar has

exalted mangal so HE worked as a Great Warrior! In Lagn,it can show

bright personality which can supress all others around him.

 

8) Aries, head of Kala purusha – Sun significator of head

Since both Aries and Sun are fiery, he would have less hair.

This is true for the native especially in the middle age, since Su is

the significator of middle age.

 

Anil: Mesh=20 Ravi=50-70(Ave=60). mean=(20+60=80)/2=40!

[Mesh(20) to Kanaya(40) add 4 years/sign.Similarly for Meen(20) to

Tula(40)]

for planets use naisarik dasha years.

But Sun should have connection to Lagn.

In Shree Ram's chart,Moon(water) in Lagn prevented Baldness.

 

9) Ma and Su are friends

This point has been already well explained by Maniv.

10) Su in Kritha yuga sign

His earnings would be without effort. Meaning he won't have

to work hard to popularize himself or his job. Due to his abilities

money will come to him naturally, it is not that he is not taking

physical effort, but it is the fact that money is after him, and he

is not after money. It is point I am pointing to. It is a nature of a

Kritha yuga sign, with atma karaka placed in it.

 

Anil: Why earnings? Try on the basis of placement/lordship.

For Shree Ram,being in 10th,HIS work was accomplished

with minimum efforts.All hard work was done by Hanumanji.

 

1) Aries, first sign, famous + Sun, significator of fame.

Prediction: The native would be famous in one field or the other, in

one thing or the other. (Here after I am placing P: to notate

prediction)

 

Anil: Being in 10th,Karma of Shree Ram became famous and HE got the

name

Maryada Purushottam.

 

2) Aries, not interested in worldly luxury being a Dharma sign +

Sun, being significator of soul, not interested in wealth.

P: The native will not have much wealth

 

Anil: Dharm exalted is OK but why less wealth? Earlier you said easy

money due to Satyug sign. In fact being friend of Guru(Dhan-Karak),

there is great possibility of good wealth. Do you mean enemy of 2L-

Shukr?

 

3) Mars, lord of Aries, significator of weapons & solders + Sun,

significator of King, who usually wear weapons.

P: The native would have a special love for weapon (especially,

knifes, sward like weapons with sharp blade edges) and may have

trained himself in one martial art or the other. He loves healthy

fights. i.e. He is a person having sportsman spirit. If he indulges

in

any such activities he wants to be the first, and is ready to take

much effort for the same. This is a unique quality which can make him

the master of any subject he is interested in.

 

Anil:very correct.being South direction(10th),Shree Ram used HIS

weapons

mostly in that direction.For Grah/Rashi-phal,use Bhav-directions.

For Bhav-phal,use Grah/Rashi directions.

 

4) If we take sun sign as Asc, then the 5th sign is Leo, which

indicates less number of sons.

P: He will not have many sons, probably one son only, since Su (5th

lord from Sun sign) indicates the number 1.

 

Anil: Shree Ram has twins though only one pragnency.Very good point.

May be exaltaion has worked to double the number.Guru kundali is more

important for confirmation.Good digestive power and very bright

intelligence are other possibilities.

 

5) Sun is the significator of father, so 12 houses can be

calculated from significator and predictions about native's father

could be given.

P:

a) His father would have lived up to 50-60 years of age only

b) The native's father would have a hereditary to be proud of,

and

would have born and brought up in a village.

c) The native's father should have special interest in politics

and

social development. etc etc.

 

Anil: Shree Ram's father left when HE went to forest around 27 years

age.

What is your logic? How you deduced village/social developemen?

 

6) Aries, exalted sun, power + Sun, significator of power

P: He considers himself as the incarnation of Sun_god/Siva, and wants

to make judgment/punishment decisions all by himself, probably even

without consulting the judicial authorities, as he doubts its

credibility. Due to this reason, he is a person to be feared of,

because if he does a crime, he would be well planned, calm, and it

would be very very difficult to spot that he is the person behind it.

He immediately intentionally forgets the punishment once it is

executed, and behaves/continues_his_life as if no such thing ever

even

happened!! Everything would be well thought out and he will not have

a

sense of guilty, since he feels that the punishment is given to a

person who deserved it!! He FINDS logic to justify his decisions, and

will force others to believe in it, and will even force himself to do

so!!

 

Anil: Well planed,powerful,forceful is OK but being Dharmic as shown

before,how can he consider himself above law? Similarly incarnation

point is also without logic as Lord Shiv is no where related to King.

Lord Shiv generally comes in he form of Rishi/wealth-less person.

 

7) Ma, significator of land + Sun, significator of divine land.

P: He would have the ownership of much land. He may lay foundation to

Temple/Mosque/Church in his own land, or may lay foundation to divine

institutions.

 

Anil: Divine land is denoted by Guru. Sun indicates Height(sky),Royal.

Shree Ram's residance was a Palace.

 

8) Aries, 5th lord from Aries exalted in Aries + Sun,

significator

of sharp intelligence.

P: He would be intelligent.

 

Anil: correct.Bhavesh indicate intelligence about Bhav.5th is also

intelligence. Lord is again exalted. Very high intelligence.

Hanumanji being born at Sunrise on Poornima after Shree Ram's birth,

also has Mesh-Ravi. Being in Lagn,He is known Gyaninam-Agraganyam

(Counted first in wise).

 

9) Ma, significator of blood, piles, heat etc (Raktha and Pitha)

+

Sun, significator of blood, piles, heat etc

P: Diseases related to blood, liver etc and diseases like fever,

stomach trouble etc can affect him easily. Non-veg food is not

suitable for him and his body and he may even gradually quit using

such type of food and may become a vegetarian. If he turns to drug

and

liquor – his life is doomed – since he would die of such diseases.

 

Anil: While I agree with heat part,I can not see any logic for Non-

veg

food. It is true that Shree Ram, HIS brothers and Hanumanji are all

Veg.

Do you mean goat is veg?

 

10) In Sun dasa he will live abroad, will have good relation with

people in power, may turn to medicine, or medical profession, would

be

away from his wife, may have a detached life from his relatives, and

may have many enemies.

 

Anil: Why abroad? Sun is enemy to videsh-karak Rahu.

HE became king in Ketu dasha.I consider HIS ketu in exaltation

(Vrishchik).

So Shree Ram spent Sun dasha in His birth place.

Aspect on Libra(7th)- debilited sign shows detachment etc.But why

medicine?

Do you mean health-karak?

 

11) If married he would have good family life, love and care from

wife and children, will get wealth of father, and a traditional

house.

He is a person who knows his " Swadharma " .

 

Anil:Can't see your logic. Good family life is opposite to above

point.

Father's ealth is 10th house.Where is inheritance(8th)? In HIS

chart,8th

lord Shani aspects 10th.Swadharm is fully acceptable.

 

12) Aries, a 4 legged sign + Sun, 4 legged planet

P: He will have a 4 wheeler/vehicle of his own and would love

animals,

especially pets like dogs.

 

Anil: Sun has 4 legs!May be as Horse(Ashvini Nakshatr).Leo means Lion

and Mesh means goat. So 4 legs are OK. monkeys also acceptable.

Shani's aspect in HIS chart shows bear.Shani's deity is Lord Brahma.

Jambvant(king of bears) was Brahma's incarnation. In HIS chart,Mesh

has 3 aroodhas AL,UL,A7 which are aspected by Shani(Brahma).

HE was born(AL) by Payas sent by Lord Brahma through Agni-dev to

Dashrath.

Lord Brahma sent muhurt for HIS marriage(UL).

Lord Brahma(Jambvant) helped HIM to get back SEETA(A7).

Lord brahma is creator so HIS involvment shows begining.Monkeys and

bears are connected to A7(partners). Aquarius(8th house-war) aspects

A7.

So they were partners in war. This information is useful for knowing

the

deity whose help will give success in desired matters.

 

13) His mother may suffer of many diseases.

 

Anil: Mother=moon=friendly to Sun.Mother's disease=9th(6th from 4th).

so lord is Guru(Dhanu)=friendly to sun. What is your logic?Karak for

9th?

 

14) His brother may meet with an unexpected vehicle accident.

 

Anil:Shree Ram's brother Laxman was hurt in war. 3rd karak Mangal is

also

lord of 8th So you may be correct. 4th is Marak for 3rd. HE has

Shani(Deity is Brahma)in 4th. Laxman was hurt by Brahmastr during

war. 4th indicates vehicle but presence of Shani changed it.

 

15) Will have good physique.

 

Anil:OK. like a warrior, well built and energetic.

 

16) Would like to control and extract benefits even from the bad

people, " while keeping his status clean " .

 

Anil: " While upholding his Dharma " can be more suitable.6th lord Budh

is neutral so he will not keep enemity even with his enemies and

will be kind to every one.

 

17) He or his family may have relation with an army training

center/

gymnasium /training_center or the like, as being the patron of it.

 

Anil: 5th(training) lord in 9th(patron) from its house in the sign of

Mangal(arms) can show this.

 

18) Apply this logical predictions on well known personalities with

Sun

in Aries, so as to verify them.

This list is extensible further. But I think, it is enough to show

the possibilities. Also know and understand the usefulness of this

technique in Presna as well, since Aries and Sun signify many objects.

For eg. Aris represents East. Sun, the significator of soul, also

represent the East direction.

So, what about the person with Sun in Aries having some psycological

attachment towards east, i.e. Eastern culture?

 

Anil: East shows rising of Sun/new beginning that will grow very fast.

Ram-Rajya and Lanka's new begining after death of Ravan are still

remembered. Note that Sun is in 10th indicating south(Lanka in south

from HIS birth place Ayodhya).

 

19) Now regarding the issue of not associating with people

of lower rank, this is assumimg Libra is vacant. But

if an individual has Saturn exalted there, the person

would overcome the nature of not associating with

lower ranks but befriend them.

 

Anil: This is very good observation and it applies in Shree Ram's

chart.

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" Use the elemental qualities.....Aries is a fire sign.....Sun is a

fiery planet....what does this combination indicate? "

 

Anil: It can show a person suffering from headach due to heat/anger.

 

" Aries is a sign that comes under the Dharma classification of signs

(signs are classified as Dharma, artha, kaama, and Moksha in regular

order starting from Aries). What do we deduce from this? "

 

Anil: Both sign and planet indicate Dharma. The person will have

strong

faith in whatever rules/ethics accepted by him/her.

 

" Aries is the sign of Mars.....Sun is a yogakaraka for Mars.....What

do

we deduce from this? "

 

Anil: Sun is giver of power/high reputation to mars.He is 5th lord for

Mesh indicating strong/blind followers. For Vrishchik,He is 10th Lord

indicating Royal-Post/govt. job.

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Sreeram Srinivas wrote:

1) Sun represents quality of soul. Exalted indicates,

good soul or trustworthy soul. It also indicates Ego. The exalted

Sun

indicates - a type of style in behavior that befits a Emperor or a

King.

One may infer it as a ego or understanding person would say it - Royal

Behavior ! or in narrow mind - Egoistic behavior !!! One may also

infer

that the native's father has a strong temper. Sun a fiery planet in

fiery

Sign !! " Fiery " ness getting multiplied !!! It depends upon the

Position, Aspects , Conjunction( PAC ) to see or infer what is that

the

person is angry about !!! If aspected by a 6HL then it could be that

the

native is upset over small things or irrational temper !!. If

aspected by

4HL angry due to wrong logics applied. If aspected by 9HL - due to

religious or Dharmic reasons.

 

Anil:Good points. What about aspect of Karkas for relevent houses?

 

2) A debilitated Sun indicates - not so worthy type of father !! in

terms of morals / karmic acts.

 

Anil:It only shows poor begining. Neech-bhang-Yog etc. are to be seen.

Father/native may be having bad health as Sun is karak for health too.

We need D-charts to see exactly which area will suffer. If well placed

in D-chart,matters of that varg will improve.

 

3) Incase of a Aries Woman or for reason any lagna the 5H, 6H, 7H

should be

free from affliction. In Aries Lagna - 5H is ruled by Sun. The 5H

is for stomach, 6H & 7H is are the private parts. For a woman to

bear children this should be free from affliction. Any affliction to

these houses, would indicate either abortions, mis-carriages or

difficulty in conceiving. There could be cases where nothing of

this sort has happened inspite of having Debilitated Sun it

indicates - birth to daughters or not so worthy children.

 

Anil: Stomach problems etc. can occure to male also.

 

4) 5HL exalted or well placed or debilitated indicates - 5H is past

karma. The native has negative or zero balance karma while coming

into this life !!

See the strength of 9H then. This will give indication as whether the

native will be able to do something in this life. Exalted 9HL -

good karma

in this lifetime. Debilitated 9HL indicates- further going into

Negative or

bankruptcy of Karma !! Now see the placement of LL. If strong or

well

placed or debilitated -will indicate - how far the native would be

able go

in this life !!

 

Anil: You mean to say Punya/merits/good karma.

Debilited sun also indicates Bhakti marg or surrender to God.

It may also indicate female deity. 9L shows Luck not Karma.

An unlucky person may still be doing good karma.

 

5) If this exalted Sun is aspected by Saturn or Rahu, then the

native would be dark complexioned ( keep the community, place and

class - in back ground

while making this statements. If you say this to an European it is a

meaningless. If you say this to a African - that your father is

fair

complexioned - he would laugh !! - Apply Desh, Kaal, Patra)

 

Anil: You can still say that. Complexion will be relativly black/fair

in their own community.There is a big contrast between Shree Ram and

Laxman even though they are brothers.Both were born with more or less

same placement of planets. How will you apply Desh-Kal-Patr here?

 

6) Then one has to see the placement of Lagna Lord ( LL ). Father is

in govt service or not - is not an issue. It is about position of

authority. An exalted Sun also indicates continuation of family

lineage through Son. (the Gothra of a daughter is supposed to be

changed to that of her husband as per Hindu customs ). For Aries,

exalted Sun also indicates accomplished

Children !!! These are all very very broad inferences.

 

Anil: Fifth lord in Lagn means native will protect his

children/followers

as 5L is in 9th from it. Any thought on Leo-Lord in Badhak sign from

Leo?

Very good points overall.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Bhrigu-Bindu

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Methods for calculation of Bhrigu-Bindu gives two different answers.

eg. In my chart Moon is at 27Sg= 267 deg. Rahu is at 29Pi= 359 deg.

(1)BB=(Rahu+Moon)/2= (359+267)/2 =626/2 =313

(2)BB=(Moon-Rahu)/2 + Rahu =(267-359)/2 + 359 = 268/2+359 =134+359=133

(3)BB=(Rahu-Moon)/2 + Moon =(359-267)/2 + 267 = 92/2 +267 = 46+267=313

It can be seen that both the longitudes are exactly at middle point of

two planets. Has any one tried to see the importance of both?

 

Bha-Chakr has been divided into 27 equal parts known as Nakshatr. This

is based on space.Now these 27 parts are alloted to planets. Again

this

is based on equal distribution in case of Vinshottary dasha. Now

planets

are like persons.If you ask 9 persons to complete same distance,each

will

take his own time depending on his age,alertness,mood,activity etc. On

this basis sufficient time-period is alloted to various planets to

cover

the distance of one Nakshatr. Once time is fixed,then further division

like Sub etc. are done on the basis of equitable division of

time.This is

the principle on which Vinshottary dasha/KP is based.

 

So KP has not done any blunder.Unless you divide Bha-Chakr on the

basis of

time,it is not possible to have uniformity sought by PVR. Calculation

of

BL,HL,GL etc. are based on division of Bha-Chakr as per time. Several

progressions like one sign/year one varga/year etc. are also based on

similar division. If we can understand the fundamental rules

determining application of such divisions,it will be possible to use

any division or

a combination too. When Desh(place-indicated by longitude in chart),

is joined by Kal(time-indicated by Transit/Dasha/Progression) in the

chart of Patr(person-indicated by relevent varg),events occure in the

life of that person. Mid-Point astrology explores many points similar

to BB.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

-

Bhakti and Gyan

 

Dear Bharat

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Since Puranas clearly state that Bhakti is mother of Gyan and Vairagy,

there is no doubt that Bhakti and Gyan are different. In Ram-Charit-

Manas

also clear distinction is made between them and Bhakti is shown

superior.

Maya is responsible for separation of Jeevatma from God and plays many

tricks to prevent Moksh. This is because God created Maya to do HIS

entertainment by creating the universe and as Atma HE witness the

events

without any participation. It is similar to humans watching TV for

their

entertainment. They know that it is all acting and not real.They are

not

affected by TV nor they interfere in it.They just watch/witness TV

programs.

Role of Atma and illusion of world can be understood on similar lines.

If somebody is not participating in entertainment of God,Maya tries to

correct the situation using all possible ways so that the God remains

happy.This is why Maya is seen as biggest obstruction to Moksh.Now the

logic given by Ram-Charit-Manas is very interesting. Gyan is Male and

Maya is Female.So they have natural tendency to get attracted towards

each other and hence Gyan will not be able to achieve its goals

easily.

 

Bhakti on the other hand is Female. A female has no attraction for

other female and at best they have tendency to avoid each other.

" Nari Na Moh Nari Ke Roopa "

For this reason,If somebody is doing Bhakti,Maya will hate him

and hence he will easily achieve his goal of Moksh.

 

Apart from above interesting logic,Gyani feels that there is no one

different from him so he has to take all efforts himself and any

mistake

in his path results in fall. Bhakt on the other hand fully depends on

God for everything so HE is responsible for his protection amd hence

mistakes by Bhakt are corrected by God and he never falls.

 

God says that Gyani is my grown up child who can take his care but

Bhakt is like kid who depends fully on his mother.Just like mother

do not bother about grown-up children but takes all care of kids,

God also emulates mother in this regard.

 

In Gita,Lord Shree Krishn explained all sorts of Gyan and even

demonstrated

by Vishv-Roop-Darshan but Arjun remained confused.Finally HE said:

" Sarv-Dharman Pari-tyajy Mam-ekam Sharnam Vraj "

After this Arjun accepted HIS orders to fight the war.

Here there was no anubhuti just complete surrender/Bhakti.

 

Shabri was a lower cast woman but she obediently followed instructions

of Matang-Rishi and gave beris tasted by her to Shree Ram.No gyan

here.

It was just full dedication to words of Rishi. Shree Ram gladly

acceted

and ate beris but Laxman saw that she is first eating to see if it is

sweet and then offering so he did not ate. When Shree Ram forced,he

took

one but threw it behind (hinding from them). Laxman indicates Gyan

but he

forgot that nothing remains hidden from Shree Ram. It is said that the

beri thrown by Laxman became Sanjeevani-Booty which gave him new life

when he was hurt by Brahmastr during war. Shabri is Bhakti.Shree Ram

Himself certified this! Son(Gyan) always bows in front of Mother

(Bhakti).

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Bhav analysis

 

Dear Jeedee

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Always give first priority to planets in house then planets aspecting

the house and then lord of house.Different matters indicated by same

house are seen from different karkas/vargas. For example 4th house

shows

mother,education,land,vehicle. Their Karakas are

Chandr,Budh,Mangal,Shukr

respectively. Similarly vargas are D12,D24,D4 and D16. If you can find

proper karak for the matter,use it. Else use Bhav-Karak.In specific

example

of 2H,Guru is karak for Dhan while Shani is karak for Kul.

 

Consider a chart with Ta lagn and Mangal-Budh in 10th,Ravi in 9th.

So result of 9th house is given by Ravi,Result of 10th house is

given by Mangal-Budh.Both 9th and 10th are lorded by Shani. If Shani

is strong,these houses will give good results through above planets

(not Shani!).If Shani is weak/badly placed,above planets will not be

able to give results. Now since both houses ruled by Shani are

occupied by planets,Shani will give its results by Karakatwa only.

Since Shani is Dukh karak,if it is weak,then good.

 

If suppose 9th house is empty,then see which planets have aspect on

it.

If there is no aspect then Shani being 9th lord will give results. If

both 9H and 10H are empty and without aspect,Shani will give Raj-Yog.

If such a Shani is weak,Raj-Yog will be negligible.

 

In your example,you have 2L in 12th from Lagn.It is a bad placement.

Budh is not aspecting his house(2H) nor is in own/exaltation.

So Bhav/Bhavesh results are not useful. So take Bhav-Karak as Lagn

and find indications from there on similar lines. If 2L is badly

placed from here too,results from karak are also bad and there will

be absence of such matters in life. All these things are to be seen

in respective vargas for giving related predictions.

 

Guru is Karak for money. 2H from Guru is Kark.Your 2L-Moon being in

8th from Guru is actually bad but it aspects Kark from Makar so that

is good for Kark. Since Kark has Mars, it is important and Mars will

give results related to money. I recommend use of Yavan-Hora also

mentioned by

Varahmihir. For family,Parivritty Dway or cyclic Hora is good.

Mars is in Ta in Yavan hora and in Sc as per PD Hora.

 

Hint: If you know basics of KP,then just replace Nakshatr by Rashi

and Sub by Varg.You have a very systametic and ordered list of

preferences and how

to use them for predictions.eg. Nakshatr and Sub of Cusp of 7H can be

replaced by Rashi and Navmansh occupied by Cusp of 7H to see marriage.

 

Please read my post 71315 to get more insight.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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You wrote:

I am learning vedic astrology and trying to find out nice tutorial on

internet. I am confused about the rules of prediction.

my birthdate 27th may 1978 , 6:15 am

longitude 77.53 E and latitude 22.42 N , dholpur, rajasthan(India)

lagna ,tauras

 

if i take just example of 2nd house , Ju and Ve are placed there but

lord of 2nd house is in 12th house( mercury) then what can i conclude

of this and why? what should i give more weightage? i.e. where lord

of house is placed, which planets are placed in the house, which

planets aspect the house.

 

for me it seems 2nd house is DHANASTHAN so related with wealth but i

have seen many places 2nd house means family members too...so when we

predict the things we think of wealth or family members and why so?

jeedee

-

Vashy-Koot

 

Dear Sreenadh

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Vashy means one that can be controlled.Humans can control humans

(3/6/7/9/11)

but have only 25% control on quadripeds(1/2). Similarly quadripeds

can have

control only 50% on aquatics(4/10/12) and 100% on insects(8).

Aquatics have

full control on Vanchar-Leo(5) and insects(8). Parts of 9/10 are to

be adjusted properly. Signs having similar classification contol each

other.

If A is vashy to B then B is also vashy to A.

formulation of this koot is based on nature of moon-sign.

If male/female are able to control each other,it is considered good.

If this control is strong,then they will prevent each other from wrong

things. I hope it is now clear.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Ego-AK-Moksh-Ketu

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRSHN HARE

 

AK indicates self rather then Atma. It is like DK indicates spouse,

PK indicates children etc. Navmansh indicates internal attributes.

AK in D9 shows internal self i.e. ego. 12th house shows loss. so

12th from AK shows loss of ego. If you see creation sequence,you see

that ego dissolves in Prakriti. So it shows union with nature and

Moksh.

Planets joining/aspecting/lording any house give results for that

house.

So we find Planets joining/aspecting/lording 12th from AK to help in

Moksh. Ketu indicates end of every thing. In 12th, it shows end of

self/birth indicating moksh. If planets related to 12th from AK are

made strong,result of 12th from AK will be stronger and will help in

moksh.

 

Consider AK in 5th house from Lagn so that 4th house is 12th from AK.

4th house shows education so education will help in loosing ego. Now

if Budh is in 3H from Lagn,it is 2nd from Budh indicating speech.So

use of speech in education like reading loudly etc. can prove useful.

If it is in 6th from Mangal,it shows enemy. So verbal fight with enemy

during education can give loss of ego. Please note that loss of ego is

good from spiritual view only. It can mean defeat from enemy in

material

terms because if you win,your ego is boosted. So be careful.

 

Consider children playing togather. At that time they forget

everything

including themselves. This is loss of ego. However this is temporary.

So any activity that makes you forget yourself takes you near moksh.

Based on planets connected with 12th from AK,you can find out the

activities,persons etc that will help you in loosing ego. In India,

there are many systems and some do not even accept God. Still they

are respected at par with others. So apart from Devta concept,

you can choose the path based on above things to get moksh. Moksh

just means freedom. If you are doing something and it gets completed,

you feel free from that work. This is moksh from it. If you reject

something or give it to someone,then also you get moksh from that

work.

So there are many ways to get freedom/moksh.

 

This concept can be extended to other matters also. eg. Shani is Dukh-

Karak

(significator for sorrow). If Ketu is in 12th from Shani,you get

Moksh from

sorrow. To boost your chances,you can similarly try to

strengthen/worship

relevent deity which can be seen in ways similar to Devta-method.

Use suitable Karak/varg for desired matter while using the principle.

 

If some body has no confidence and you want him to improve,you need to

boost his ego. To gain ego,you can use 11th from AK. Similarly,to keep

your ego happy/satisfied,you can use 4th from AK. Thus you can use any

house,planet,varg and use same procedure depending on desired matter.

 

Hope now concept of ego-moksh is clear.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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True nodes

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRSHN HARE

 

According to classics, Nodes are shadow planets causing eclipse.

Mean nodes can not cast true shadow at the time of real eclipse.

BPHS only says that Rahu being retro,its longitude is taken from

the end of sign. No where it is said that Rahu is **ALWAYS** retro.

True nodes cast true shadow to cause true eclipse.

I hope this will explain why True nodes must be used.

 

There is unnecessary dispute about exaltation etc. of nodes.

Sage Parashar has clearly said that Exalatation of Rahu is

Vrishabh. Mooltrikon is Kanya and own sign is Kumbh.

For Ketu,Vrishchik,Meen and Vrishchik are respectve signs.

 

Is there any astrologer who is more expert then sage Parashar?

Then why should any one bother about their suggestions?

 

BTW,The eclipse on 29th March 2006 started just after vedic new year

(Chaitr-Shukl-Pratipada).It is an eclipsed year. Places where Meen

was rising at that time(Longitude 55W-85W),will have a bad year.

Sun aspected by Rahu indicates fire at places near water(Meen).

 

For India,New year started in Simh-Lagn whose lord Ravi was eclipsed

immediatly. Eclipse was not visible in South India so North India

will see heavy casualties as Lagnesh is eclipsed in 8th.It also joins

lord of 12th moon indicating losses. However 12th lord in 8th is good.

Lord of Foreign(Moon) and karak of Foreign(Rahu) in 8th indicates that

India will gain due to Foreign countries in northen direction like

China/USSR etc.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Bhav-Kundali

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRSHN HARE

 

Rashi-Kundali shows placement of planets/Lagnas in different Rashis

(signs).

Bhav-Kundali shows placement of planets/Lagnas in different Bhavas

(houses).

So Bhav-Kundali shows result in houses(Bhav-Phal)

and Rashi-Kundali shows result in Rashi(Rashi-Phal).

North Indian chart is called Lagn-Kundali.

South Indian chart is called Rashi-Kundali.

 

Now the question is why most people use only Rashi-Kundali and still

they

are able to give correct prediction. The answer lies in the way

predictions

are given.Let us examine the process.

A planet gives result of

1. Bhav Phal: It depends on placement in house and needs Bhav-Kundali.

2. Lordship: It is based on house cusp obtained using Lagn.So

placement

of planet can not decide its lordship.

3. Grah-Drishti: It is based on longitude and house placement makes

no change in its calculation.

4. Rashi-Drishti: It is based on Rashi and hence seen in Rashi-

Kundali.

5. Rashi/Nakshatr Phal: It depends on placement of planet in

Rashi/Nakshatr.

6. Karakatwa: It is not based on house placement of planet.

Char-Karakas are obtained by longitude in Rashi while sthir and

Naisargik

are independent of Rashi and Bhav placement.

7. Argala by Rashi: Argala is always based on bhav but for equal

house,

Rashi-chart is enough and Bhav-Kundali is not needed.

8. Argala by Planet: It surely depends on house placement of planet

and

Bhav-Kundali is required.If you want to see exactness of obstruction,

divide Argala and obstruction house in 4 equal parts and then see if

1/4 or 2/3 pair of parts have planets.

 

From the above,you can see that except points 1 and 8,Bhav-Kundali is

not

needed.But they are the most important ones.Even calculation of

Tatkalik

friendship needs Bhav-Kundali.Point 1 is actually more important then

all

remaining points. Why?

 

Things that are closer have more effect. Houses are based on earth's

rotation so with one rotation of earth,one cycle of 12 house is

completed.

So houses are most important. Next is planets so effect of planets in

houses are very important. Rashis are even more distant as compared to

planets.So their effect takes 3rd rank in order of importance.

Same rule applies to dashas.

 

Now you can see that Bhav-results will dominate over other indications

but still Rashi-chart gives satisfactory results. Now take any chart

and using equal house system find the span of each house in the sign

that is indicated by Rashi chart.Try it with any longitude of

Lagn/Grah.

You will find that invariably, the cusp of house is in the sign and

at least

50% of the house is also in the sign. It means that in at least 50%

charts,

predictions using Rashi-chart will be correct! A careful astrologer

can

decide Bhav-placement in Rashi-chart using longitudes without Bhav-

Kundali.

For this reason people gradually stopped using Bhav-Kundali.

 

I have mentioned equal house system above. It does not mean that

Shreepati

system is invalid. The above explaination was just for easy

understanding

and also because most people use it. When Shreepati system is

used,use of

Bhav-Kundali becomes even more necessary.As a hint,if you are counting

houses from some reference,use equal house system.eg. in Rashi-chart

7th from Shukr is seen at 180 degree from Shukr. If we are using some

house

(independent of native) as Lagn,we have to consider house cusp

obtained by

Sreepati system. eg. If you want to see children,take 5th house cusp

as Lagn and then find houses using equal house system from that

cusp.Here

you can see things from Child's reference rather then Native's

relative.

 

If you are using Rashi Dasha,Naturally you see results based on Rashi.

If you use Bhav based Dashas like Sudarshan-chakr-Dasha,use Bhav-

Kundali.

Ashtakvarg can be made as per Rashi because equal house method will

place

one house in each sign.So you will get same Rekhas for the sign.But

when you do interpretation,based on longitude,find the exact house.

eg. Take Lagn at 25 degree Tula. Moon at 5 degree Meen.On the basis

of

Rashi,it is 6th house so from Lagn,Rekha is contributed. but if you

see

house,it is still 5th house as 6th house will start from 10 degree

Meen.

So Lagn will not contribute any Rekha.However in Meen,from 10 degree

onwards being 6th house,Rekha is justified. So when we look at moon,

we have to judge it in 5th house(kanya) untill it crosses 10 degree.

Similarly placement from other planets/points are to be seen on the

basis

of longitudes using equal house method applied to that point.Remember

that Ashtakvarg is based on houses and use of sign in calculation is

to

make things easier.Interpretation must be as per house.Sage Parashar

told

very clearly that Ashtakvarg and Sudarshan-chakr override everything

and

both are based on houses.Use this for definate results. For general

results,

use Vinshottary Dasha.

 

Construct 3 bhav-kundalis for Lagn,Chandr and Ravi.Now draw Sudarshan-

chakr

as given in BPHS using these charts instead of Rashi based charts. Now

apply rules given in that chapter EXACTLY AS GIVEN BY SAGE PARASHAR.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Re: 5 mails (The Valuable mail from Anil ji)

(Reply to Sreenadh,Sreeram srinivas,Tej,Bharat,RK Dash,Satish,Arjun,

Pradeep and Dakshinamoorti ji)

 

Dear Members

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

I am very happy to see that many active members liked my mails.

I thank you all for your kind encouragement.

Please see some replies below:

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Sreenadh: " I agree on many points put forward by you and disagree on

many

others. But it may take at least 10 or 20 messages for me to cover

all the issues pointed to by you. while responding please break up

such long mails into 2 or 3 And give a gap of 1 or 2 days in between,

so that we could respond.It would be greatly enjoyable if we explore

each of those issues in detail. "

 

Anil: I would like to read your 20 or even 200 mails that you may

write

at your convenience. Regarding my mails, I download mails once a week

from cyber-cafe then read at home and reply when I visit next. So

15-20 days is minimum response time. This is why I write long mails

and to

save time in posting,I combine them in one. If you will post your

views,

we can start discussion. You write at your pace and I will reply at

mine.

I could not post my reply in last 40 days as my file saved on floppy,

refused to open at cyber-cafe.

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Sreenadh: " Mihira says:

" Rasi Kshetra Griha ®ksha Bhani Bhavanam chaikardha Samprethyaye "

Meaning Rasi, Kshethra, Riksha, Bham, Bhavanam all these are Synonyms.

Here Griham and Riksham Means House. we generally use the word Bava

to refer to the House.

The word Riksham is also used in the same meaning as 'House' here.

But the general meaning known for the word " Riksham " is Sign (Rasi).

[The words Riksham and Bham also have the meaning stellar division,

though that is not relevant here]

Earlier it is said clearly by Mihira that " Rasi, Kshethra, Riksha,

Bham,Bhavanam all these are Synonyms " . If he uses the words Griham

and Riksha to mean House, is it not clear that the words Rasi,

Kshethra, Riksha,Bham, Bhavana all indicate House?? Also is it not

clear that the words Rasi, Kshethra, Riksha, Bham, Bhavana all

indicate Sign?? And that both of them are the same??!!!

That is why I said, " The word Griha means House [as well as Sign

(Rasi)]. Similarly the words Rasi, Kshethra, Griha, Riksha, Bhava,

Bhavana all of them also means Sign [as well as House] " . YES!! There

is no distinction!!

RASI AND HOUSE ARE THE SAME.

It is a clear cut statement. Mihira knew of no other system, like

Sripathi (10th century) division of House system, or some other

system originated in 18th and 20th century. Why limit it to Mihira

alone - No astrologer scholar lived before Sripathi may not have

even heared about this absurdity!!!

There is no indication of any type of House division in Rishi Horas,

Parasara Hora, Yavana Hora, Varaha Hora, Saravali, Krishneeyam or the

hundreds of texts written before Sripathi of 10th century. They all

use the words Rasi (Riksham - Sign) and Bhava (Griham - Hosue) as

synonyms. Hope that it is clear to you. "

 

Anil: You are contradicting your own views given in first para.

You said " Riksham is Sign.Riksham and Bham also have the meaning

stellar division " . So you agree that they have different meanings.I

hold the same view. If you are following Jaimini,you will agree that

He has used words

very-very economically. He has said " SARVATR SAVARNA BHAVA RASHYASCH "

It means Rashi and Bhav are always Savarn. If both were same he would

not have written them separately.

 

BPHS also gives this method of house calculation and it is

used in calculating Bhav-Bal and residual strength of planets.I think

Keshav-Jatak from 8th century also gave detailed calculations based on

this system.It is a mystry to me why it is called Sreepati Bhav

system.

 

We need to understand the basis of house calculation.

Equal house system simply divides 360 degree space into 12 equal

parts.

Sreepati system divides on the basis of time.We have 4 clear positions

in sky dividing time into 4 parts i.e. Sunrise(Lagn),Sunset(7th),Mid-

night

(4th),Mid-day(10th).Same principle is used in finding remaing houses

but

since there is no visible natural way to locate,trisection of adjecent

positions like Lagn and 10th etc. are used.Just like duration of

day/night

may not be same,houses in this system may have different lengths. If

you

insist that all houses must be of same length,you are forcing your

views

like day and night durations are always equal. Hope it is a bit clear

now.

 

Sreenadh: " It is true that:

1) I can not find a single reference supporting the

separate/independent use of Vargas in astrological classics.

2) Any use of Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi, before the

period of Sripathi (i.e. 10th Century AD)

3) If anyone could provide authentic slokas to disprove these

statements, I am ready to change my views. "

 

Anil: Please try to answer these points.

(1)Do you agree that brothers can be seen from Dreshkan,Children from

Saptmansh and Occupation from Dashmansh (with or without D-chart)?

Can you provide any reference from BPHS/Brihat-Jatak/Prashn-Marg which

uses these vargas for the above purposes(even if it is Rashi-

dependent)?

(2)Several classics including BPHS provides Sreepati house calculation

without naming it to Sreepati. There is also elaborate method for

calculation of Bhav-Bal.Do yo think that they are same as Rashi-Bal?

Do you feel that they are added after 10th century? Why no book

mentions name of Sreepati?

(3) I have provided a list of relevent verses to Pradeep a few months

back.

If you wish,I will try to send it. Are you member of Jyotish Group?

It is in the archieves(8K-10K) of that group. I consider everthing in

BPHS as authentic. If someone says something that is not in

contradiction

to BPHS,I have an open mind for all such teachings even if it comes

from non-vedic-systems.

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Sreeram srinivas wrote: "

Previous Background/Communication :

I will give another hint. malefics are good in 3,6,11 and benefics

Are bad

in 3,6,8,12 houses.Using this general principle,find good bad

planets in

each D-chart.Dasha of good/bad planets will give good/bad results

for that

varg. Bhukti results depend more on Dasha-Pravesh-charts. From

basics,you

can build on further by using other fundamentals.

 

Query:

Could any one explain me taking any example why the malefics in 3,6,

8,12 are good ???(you mixed words from my mail to create a false

statement!)

 

Let us consider a strong malefic say

an exalted Mars in 6H. At the age of 20's, it may give him a good

competetive spirit to score in exams or interviews. While the same

planet

for a person in 60's would see him through medical hell when coupled

with

appropriate dasha periods. If the exalted Mars is in 12H, then his sex

life suffers. Similarly for a debilitated malefics in 3,6,8,12. Now

think of an exalted 8HL, at appropriate time, he would ensure that the

person leave this world in split seconds.

 

Now apply the same logics for the benefics in 3,6,8,12. Astrology is

not

a set of rigid rules. It is an art. One needs to be judicious in its

interpretation.

 

Do not forget about Desh, Kaal, Patra while delineating any charts.

In

this particular case, the same malefics, which were good initially

become

worst planets( going by the members borrowed vocabulary ) "

 

Anil: Please read above quoted part of mail. It has all the

answers.You

mixed different things.Please give any example chart you wish and try

to apply above rule correctly/as you understand and prove your views

given above.I am sure all your doubts will be cleared.I have read

your excellent

mails and I am sure that you definatly understand/know those

principles.

 

Astrology is called Jyotish-Shastr which means science of light.We

have

lost rigid conditions under which a particular rule is applicable/not

applicable and hence people mix them without differentiation and then

say that no rule works in all case. If you use same balance to weigh

ant and elephant, can you get accurate readings?

 

If you read Astrological Magazine, Shree VP shukla provides lots of

data and says 'X' rule is valid in so many charts, 'Y' rule in so

many charts and 'Z' rule in others but some charts do not follow any

standered rule. He never bothered to find what combination is common

in charts that obey rule 'X'. If such attempts are done,then only we

can find the conditions regarding applicability of principles. Sadly

Jhora do not have the capability to search for common patterns in

charts.

Otherwise such hard work by people like Shuklaji is good only for

statistical purpose but has no value in improving predictability.

 

If you have studied hydraulics,you know that there are hundred's of

equations for calculating pressure drop.All are valid when applied

in specific condition.If the conditions are lost,all such equations

will become useless. However in most cases,people remember the

conditions mentally and write only equations for revision/reference.

 

In Jyotish also, we have similar situation.

 

We have many rules for timing say marriage but the conditions under

which

a rule is applicable are missing. These conditions were definatly

present

but with time,they were lost.If you have BPHS(www.khe-shri.com),you

can

see exhaustive list of conditions for choosing longivity calculations.

List depends on strength of planets/yogas and many things that are

enough

to confuse but it certainly shows they existed!

 

Astrology is science. If combined efforts are made,it is not

difficult

to create a software that will predict events with time based on

chart

and also suggest remedies for problems. When it is called an Art,it

only

shows that our understanding is not yet complete.

 

I gave lots of principles in Let's predict... mail too. If you can

apply

these at least in your own chart,you will see that your chart unfolds

many new things.Other readers can also post analysis of their own

lagnas

using those principles. This will help in understanding the

principles of

chart analysis and any confusion in their application can be removed

by

discussion.

 

Sreeram: " Try with the concept of universal gravitational force

equation F=Gx(m1xm1xm2xm2)/lxl where G is universal gravitational

constant,m1 is (earth),m2 is (planet) and l is the distance between

the earth and a planet at the given instant of time.Use these as

proxy for determining the graha

shadbala and deduce the effects. "

 

Anil: I respect your scientific attitude. Actually I am searching for

a

more visible parameter which takes this into account.

In calculation of brightness,we need to find distance from Sun as

well

as earth. This automatically accounts for rare things like 'Mars

nearest

to earth in 30000 years' etc. But I could not find any

calculations/examples

so that it can be programmed and used. According to classics,if a

planet is

bright/dull,it will give good/bad results. Resonance in brightness

between

natal and transit planets can also indicate timing. This is similar to

Longitude resonance commonly used in astrology. Most astronomy

softwares

provide this data but astrology programms do not have this vital

information. If you/others have any idea about brightness

calculations,

please share.

 

Regarding Shad-Bal,each constituent has its own use irrespective of

overall

value. So Shad-Bal is still needed but I agree that a brighter planet

can

be taken as stronger without any hesitation.

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TEJ: " GREAT MANTRESHWAR HAS WRITTEN THAT MALEFIC PLAENT WHEN POSITED

IN 3,6,11 HOUSES INCREASES THE MALEFICENCE OF THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE

AND BENEFICS WHEN POSITED IN SUCH HOUSES DECREASE THE MALEFICENCE OF

THESE HOUSES AND ENHANCE THE GOOD EFFECTS OF THESE HOUSES. CONTRARY

TO THIS IN MEDICAL ASTROLOGY AND IN GENERAL WE SAY THAT MALEFIC

PLANETS ARE GOOD IN 3,6,11 HOUSES . I HAVE SEEN KETU IN 6TH HOUSE OF

MY FREIND AND HE HAS MANY ENEMIES AND IS ATTENDING FIVE COURT CASES

EVERY 15 DAYS (DATES). ANOTHER CASE OF MY ONE OF MY GURUJI IN

ASTROLOGY ( TULA LAGNA) HAS KETU AND EXALTED VENUS IN 6TH AND ONE OF

HIS KIDNEY HAS BEEN REMOVED SURGICALLY,BUT OTHERWISE HEALTH IS GOOD .

I THINK MALEFIC PLANETS IN 3,6,11 GIVE GOOD FOR RECUPERATION POWER (

POWER OF RECOVERY FROM DISEASE) BUT FOR HEALTH THEY ARE BAD. AND HOW

WILL DEBILITATED PLANETS MALEFICS OR BENEFICS WILL BEHAVE IN THESE

HOUSES ? "

 

Anil: This is most common mistake/confusion. Dictum is malefics give

good

results in 3,6,11 houses. Nothing is said about house results! For

house,

we know that its lord and benefics improve house. Same apply to

3,6,11 too.

 

TEJ: " AS FAR AS WE TALK ABOUT COURAGE ( PHYSICAL ) NOT MENTAL ,IF

MALEFICS ARE IN 3,6,11 . EVEN THEY ARE GOOD FOR MATERIAL GROWTH , BUT

FROM

HEALTH POINT OF VIEW THEY WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE THE MALEFICENCE

OF THAT

HOUSE . AND AS YOU SAID TO CHECK ABOUT MARS , WITHOUT INVOLVEMENT OF

KETU NO

SURGERY CAN TAKE PLACE (MARS WILL ALSO BE INVOLVED ).

PLEASE ALSO SAY ABOUT DEBILITATED PLANETS IN 3, 6, 8 AND 12 (MALEFICS

AND

BENEFICS). "

 

Anil: Debilited planets loose strength to give good results in any

house.

Benefics are bad in 3,6,8 and 12. So when they are weak,it is even

worse.

Malefics are good only in 3 and 6 but again weaker ones

fail to give good results.8 and 12 are bad as in case of benefics.

Your

view about health are correct. If you think that weak malefics in bad

houses destroy them to give good results, you are correct but only to

that

extent. Houses owned by those planets are still spoiled. When

benefics

are in 3,6,8,12 houses, they still promote good results of 3,6,8,12.

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Bharat: " If we see the same, then, what I had suggested to you and

the forum, earlier could be true. D1-D12 - Anamaya kosha D13-D24

Pranamaya Kosha, D25-D36 (where in D30 lies) Manomaya Kosha. (This

was followed by chat with Sri Hari and Sri Parthasarathy too). Could

then, divisional

charts (D25-D36) relate to the different functions of the mind?

 

Anil: It is just the speculation floated by Partha and Later

supported by Sanjay. If you accept it, D24 should be in Vigyanmay

Kosh. Can you see

any link for vehicles(D16) in Pranmay-Kosh? It has no support from

classics

or parampara and I consider it wrong speculation.I could not locate

Partha's

group and this group is very difficult to search.So may be such

quries are

already replied by him but I do not know.

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RK Dash: " A small input. Does the Tanmatra find a place in

the 'divisional' scheme? The (inference below from the) odour of

earth (Taurus) reminds me to interrogate the simile. Can we be

serious about the identification of the scheme with what have you? Or

leave the simile at Sanskritic figuration? "

 

Anil: You got it correct.Shabd(sound-Akash),Sparsh(touch-Air),

Roop(appearance-Agni),Ras(taste-Water),Gandh(smell-Earth) can be

used for relevent sign/planet. Can you give your analysis in detail

for the benefit of all members?

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Satish: " Your compilation of invaluable info on various important

astrological aspects,needs to be applauded.This info should be in

the " Files " section for posterity.That you put up for group reading is

more commendable.

It took me quite sometime to read,leave understanding apart.So the

best thing I could do was to save the 27 pages of documentation.A

leisurely,subjectwise reading would be required. "

 

Anil: Whatever I write is a part of on going discussion and every

reader

can participate in it irrespective of knowledge level. Experts can

share

their knowledge while juniors can apply principles at least in their

own chart and ask their doubts. I look forward to your critical views

on

27 pages of documentation. I hope by now,you have fully digested the

concepts. How about uploading a file with links for important mails?

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Arjun: " your post also conveyed a message to all fraternity not to

waste

their energies in mundane threads and instead focus more on sharing

or knowing more about astrology and its various dimensions. from

now onwards i shall try myself to work on this path in this group. "

 

Anil: It is your bonus contribution. Thanks for This. If we remain

focused,we can certainly explore hidden meanings in classics.

I follow the famous saying :

 

VYAYE-KRITE VARDHATE EVA

SA VIDYA YA VIMUKTAYE

 

It means knowledge increase by spending(sharing/using).Vidya

(knowledge)

is that which makes you free. [if something comes with strings like

you

can not give it to others etc. making you more stressed due to such

binding,then it is not Vidya. It is Avidya.]

 

Arjun: "

> 7th house shows first wife so it applies to first marriage. Second

> marriage is shown by 2nd house.

 

there are various thoughts/schools which say second marriage is read

from the nineth house or from the strongest planet in the 7th house

or with venus.

akin to 1st child from 5th house and second child from 7th house,

first wife is seen from 7th house and second wife seen from 9th house.

second house per se denotes family which is general in nature.

also the rules applied for timing of marriage by you are different

that what other books prescribe. "

 

Anil: Bharat gave you the reply. You can check UttarKalamrit for this.

It says 2nd wife is seen in 8th from 7th/upapada.When anything is

obtained

as replacement/loss of earlier one be it a job or wife or house, 8th

house

from earlier one is to be used. When we add some thing similar to

earlier one so that both co-exist,it is growth of that house and seen

from Upchay.

Since 3rd house is upchay and stands for brother(similar to

native),we take

3rd from respective house.Sixth house indicates growth by

upgradation,10th

shows growth by karmas/hard working and 11th shows growth by gains.

 

Arjun: " since i cannot reply in a detailed comprehensive way at once

to all

your 5mails and dozens of important points raised by you, am writing

in piecemeal and hope this shall not be a problem. "

 

Anil: I will be glad to be part of discussion.

 

Arjun: " please share on reading of these indriyas (sensory and non-

sensory) from a sign/house/planet. "

 

Anil: The Jnanaindriyas are ear,skin,eye,toung,nose. The five karma

indriyas are mouth, hands, legs, organ of procreation, and organ of

excretion. I hope

you can now co-relate sign/house/planet. See Dreshkan-Ang-Vibhag.

 

Arjun: " the thumb rule is if benefics are strong it is good, if

malefics are

strong it is bad. malefics need not necessarily be saturn, rahu and

ketu.

i have seen hundreds of natives with ashubh ashtam mangal and in all

cases, mars gave only negative results. even in cases where mars is

exalted or

in his own signs and mangal bhang yoga happened, the native

witnessed negative results which are definitely bad but not worse.

so there is no rule that malefics in a dushthana (3,6,8,12 some omit

3 and refer only 6,8,12 as dushthana). "

 

Anil: I never said 3,6,8,12 are Dusthan. I clearly spelt houses to

avoid any

doubt. You are correct that Trik houses or Dusthan are 6,8 and 12th

as per

BPHS. Strong ashtam Mangal will give results for 8th house and 8th is

marak

for 7th.You can not expect good for 7th. However I would like to add

that

if Mangal in 8th is vargottam in own/exaltation sign then it may not

give

bad results. Similarly benefic aspect on Mangal will reduce bad

results

to a great extent. Actually I am not comfertable with the principle

that

weak malefics give good results.Can you share classical reference for

it?

 

Arjun: " as per classics, if a lord of dushthana (6,8,12) is in

another

dushthana, it forms harsha, vimala and sarala yogas but here too

there are so many overriding principles. these days positive

painting astrologers have started publicising that lords of dushthana

in a dushthana gives positive results en masse which is not true. "

 

Anil: we need to do a careful differentiation between results of

house placement and house lordship. harsha, vimala and sarala yogas

can give good results related to 6,8,12th. However these yogas are

formed

when lords are in own house. If they are in others house,it is vipreet

raj-yog.

 

Arjun: " on the other hand if malefics are weak, it is good. while

supporting the anukul thought, i never believed nor believe in

wearing of stones for malefics. "

 

Anil: Again a weak malefic may not be able to give good results for

houses owned by it. It will destroy results of house where it is

placed.

This is sometimes good but not for all matters.If one needs to

strengthen

the houses owned by these malefics,people do advice gems for them.

Still

others think that weak is bad so throw it away!

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Pradeep: " 1)Kshethra is Temple,Kshethra is Field(eg KuruKshethra) and

as per

Gita Kshethra is also body.

2)Bhava -Lagna is the factor that decides various Bhavas.One has to

see the Bhavanadha,grahas in a bhava,Drishti on a Bhava,Karaka Grahas

and

Vargasambandhas on a bhava to understand any Bhava in totality.I had

given classical examples where 7th Bhava plus navamshas where used

in a complementary fashion.HOLISTIC approach.There are just 12 signs

and 9 planets.Rest is interplay within the same rashis through

different sambandhas. "

 

Anil: When BPHS provides 16 vargas why only Navmansh and Rashi?

Can it be called Holistic if you neglect other 14 vargas?I am not

saying that you are wrong but definately incomplete.Holistic way

is to consider all possible parameters togather.In your approach,

you find it difficult to do the analysis of twins. Why? If your

method is correct,it should explain any case at least in principle.

 

Pradeep: " If two planets are drawn as conjunct in a navamsha,it shows

the

navamsha sambandha,those planets are having on the said sign which

in turn is a bhava.They are not together,but they are individually

having infleunce on the said bhava.A planet is situated at one place

and having influence on many places.(Think of sambandhas like

argala,drishti etc). Energies of different levels acting in different

ways - For example guru having navamsha in the lagna or trinal

bhavas is lending a subtle energy to those bhavas.It is not placed

there,rather infleuencing.

 

Anil: I think you now accept Yuti in vargas. I gave verse from BPHS

in my last mail. Regarding your point that planets in vargas are not

togather,I can say that 2 planets are never togather in any chart

in reality. If they come togather,gravitational force of bigger will

not allow smaller to separate. So we are only talking about illusion

when we say they are togather. Glasses of different curvature make

objects look different from original but still they have their uses.

 

Pradeep: " Thus sookshma shareera acts in sync with corresponding

sthoola

shareera organs.Trying to study them in isolation or considering Bhava

there is beyond my understanding.Others who have understood may

explain for better comprehension.We should think why we do not have

shlokas to support bhavas in vargamsha groupings.Why is Vargottama

important?Any planet is a Bhavanatha or karaka.When he is having

similar subtle and gross infleuences,shubha results. "

 

Anil: Do you mean a physically handicap person is also mentally

challenged?

Do you think that dreams/imaginations are connected to physical body?

Is it not possible for a sick person to imagine that he is free from

disease? Aren't these isolated from physical body?

Do you have shlokas to see vargamsha groupings in Rashi chart?

Do you think that a neech but vargottam planet will give good results?

'Ek to Karela Uper se Neem chadha!' Will it taste sweet?

It only increases intensity and possibility.

 

Pradeep: " There are no multiple charts.As the

brain cannot hold all the relationships a planet is having with 12

Rashis,we seperate each kind of relationship(sthoola sookshma

sambandha)

as a seperate entity(chart).Rashi the structure(chariot) is

Sthoolashareera and one rashi is same as one bhava, though with a

small

conceptual difference.Rashi needs prana(got through planets,which in

turn is from soorya) and other sookshama shareera entities for

functioning.Think of Rashi as the chariot along with

Krishna,Arjuna,Horses,reins etc,while thinking of Bhavas. "

 

Anil: You said Rashi is just a chariot. Chariot can be of many types.

Krishna can sit in any of them. Arjun/horses etc. may or may not be

same

in new chariot.This will help you to see bhavas in D-chart(chariot).

 

Pradeep: " One planet has many roles(It is like a variable).When we

see it from a 30 degree span it relates to Kshethra.When we see it

from a 3.2 degree span,it is relating to navamshas or pranas.Think

like this - When we see from a sthoola position Krishna is just a

charioteer.But when we see

from a sookshma perspective,Krishna is intelligence.But it is the same

Krishna sitting in the same Chariot.So are planets.Instead of seeing

Krishna as an ''Intelligent Charioteer'' in the same Chariot ,we are

trying to bring in another chariot(another chart). In reality there

are

only 12 Bhavas (aadheya tattwam) and 12 Rashis(Aadhara tattwa) and 9

planetary entities. "

 

Anil: What about Vishv-Roop of Krishn? on which chariot HE is?

When HE is running to kill Bhishm,where is Chariot? Is Krishn

so weak that HE can not change chariot?

 

Pradeep: " You can never take a group of trimshamshas and analyze them

as

bhavas.They are just indriyas,alone.Indriyas cannot act in

isolation,but

only in relation with manas - which is in turn is part of

mind(manas,chitta,budhi,ahamkara).You have to study them in relation

to

other entities.Same is the case with navamshas.Prana supplies vital

energies.If a planet has joined debilitation,rashi through navamsha

sambandha -it is showing lack of a particular prana support.See the

bhava for which this planet is a lord and also its karakattwa to study

results. "

 

Anil: What Dashadhyayi says is just one kind of mapping for

trinshansh.

There are more. Varahmihir used it in stri-jatak. Is their any

relation

between the qualities of female with Indriyas? I gave you verse from

BPHS

that clearly says that trinshansh should be seen like Rashi.

 

You can remain alive without eyes/ears/nose etc. etc. but not without

Atma.If other things are present,good but not necessary. they can be

obtained from other sources too!Search your favorite books and locate

the chart for Atma.You will not find any solution. Every-chart is

dead without Atma. Atma is present everywhere. So all D-charts work.

 

PS: In your Hilery's analysis,you have not used Bhav/Bhavesh/Karak

and

their Navmansh? Do you think use of just Lagn/Lagnesh varg is

sufficient?

Does the only application of varg/Ansh is in timing?How will you see

good/bad periods related to marriage in your example? eg. how to see

Monika-effect?

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Pandit. R.Dakshinamoorti ji wrote:

" You have initiated a meaningful exercise by selecting threads of

seminal importance for astrological research. Your post as such was

excellent in its content and approach. Infact, this is the method

I employ in my classes with my disciples. When the mind is trained

in such exercises, we will find that the horoscopes start " speaking "

so to say!

 

PS: Just a small correction in your quote of Bhagavat Gita ...The

correct version should be " Karmaneva adhikaareshu Maa Phaleshu

Gadachanaa " . Ofcourse, you seem to be aware of the meaning of it. I

took liberty in correcting it because you had requested me explicitly

to correct any errors. Many thanks for the high regard in which you

seem to hold me. May God grant me the wisdom and knowledge to prove

worthy of it! Your mail, I hope will rekindle some interesting and

fruitful discussions in this forum.

May Lord Dakshinamoorthi Guide Us.

Blessed be. "

 

Anil: I consider this mail as your blessings.

 

BTW,your correction is just a difference in our native languages.

eg. In devnagri,we write 'Sreenadh' as 'Sreenath'.This variation

is common in many languages. Sanjay Rath gave a variation of Narayan

Dasha called 'Padnadhamsa dasha'. It makes no sense but when I write

it

'Pad-Nath-Amsa Dasha' it clearly explains its calculation. While he

used

Aroodh Lagn Lord only,Pad-Nath can be used for any Aroodh-Lord.

Similarly

Amsa can mean any of 16 vargas though he uses only for Navmansh.

Interested members can extend it on these lines.

 

Kindly give your views on my post above related to aspect/argala.

I hope you will continue your blessings.

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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