This need not be posted , but just for introspections

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dear neelam ji,

 

Pl. tell me. I did not direct that post to Gopikrishna. Then why did he

attack me ? If he did attack me and you approved it , then why did you

remain silent for the unjustified attack done on me ? Did I write

anything to him directly ? No I did Not. Did I write anything about him

indirectly ? No I did not. Then why did he write rotten stuff about my

credentials ? And even if he did, and was approved, why were you silent

as a Moderator all the time watching the tamasha ? Where were you all

the time, and why behind the screens ? Why did you not sort out this

matter and clear the confusions that I have nowhere talked about him as

a individual or whatever ?

 

The above I also ask the other Moderators of this Forum.

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,Some one said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.” I do not remember who said this but I do agree fully with the essence of this statement. We can only create an ideal society, a society where people do not live in fear and self-defence, only when we start respecting each other’s freedom of speech and expression.

I understand we get disturbed and perturbed when what is being said is not up to our liking. I understand that it often hurts when we get personal attacks, sometimes directly, sometimes on the sly. But most likely, the controversy leads to a greater understanding of people and issues at hand.

We are a group of grown up learned individuals. Most of the active members have been sharing here for long enough to know each other like family members. Freedom of expression might involve tolerating of a great deal of nonsense, even of matters which are in bad taste. But freedom of expression also allows us to clear our doubts and apprehensions regarding situations, regarding people, regarding friends, which creates a greater harmony within a community or a group.

I do not believe in wielding the scissors especially when the message is from a regular active member who is generally non-controversial. I do not stop messages except when they’re abusive and not pertaining to the group activity. If Gopi ji has expressed some doubt, it should be cleared and not suppressed, because this will keep it smouldering for ever.

We all know that winning or losing a quiz is the least important matter in astrology. If Gopi ji raised this point, I am sure it might’ve been in some weaker moment. I am sure he did not mean disregard to you or anyone else, but sometimes family members do speak in mocking tones! All flavours of expression, otherwise it would be so boring.  

I have been very busy for the last few days to share much with you all, though working on the computer all day long allows me to take care of my post-office work for the group. As of now I have been enjoying reading the good exchanges in between. I hope to be more active shortly. Thanks.

I am sorry if there’s been a problem because of me. May be I am too relaxed as a moderator, but that's what I am, not to be provoked easily. Shall we now forget this and close the thread to move ahead with a better understanding.:-)

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar Ji, Gopi Ji,

 

"When what is Said is NOT What is Meant, What Needs To Be Done, Remains Undone".

 

The way I look at this it is just a matter of miscommunication between two intelligent and decent people. Since you are not sitting across the table, sipping Chai, this has occured. Let us look at Bhaskar Ji's most recent statement:

 

"Giving due credit where it must be given - this is a good theoreticalread undoubtedly, better than most other reads we come across, but itdoes not teach me still how to predict ones profession."

 

If THIS Line had been inserted in the BEGINNING of Bhaskar Ji's email where he "seemingly" criticized the forwarded email from Gopi Ji, this miscommunicationg would not have occured. From my point of view TWO things are clear:

 

1. Gopi Ji was very generous in reading and forwarding a Nice email from Imran Ji to all of us to read.

 

2. Bhaskar Ji read this email and was generous in providing us further inputs from his vast experience.

 

Just some miscommunication between family members of this Lovely group has caused this. I believe Neelam Ji did absolutely the right thing in allowing this to play out, so feelings are NOT suppressed and may Boil over later.

 

Both of you are valuable contributors and hope we can leave this behind and move forward with greater understanding.Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 7:53:50 AMRe: This need not be posted , but just for introspections

Dear Bhaskar ji,Some one said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.†I do not remember who said this but I do agree fully with the essence of this statement. We can only create an ideal society, a society where people do not live in fear and self-defence, only when we start respecting each other’s freedom of speech and expression.I understand we get disturbed and perturbed when what is being said is not up to our liking. I understand that it often hurts when we get personal attacks, sometimes directly, sometimes on the sly. But most likely, the controversy leads to a greater understanding of people and issues at hand.We are a group of grown up learned individuals. Most of the active members have been sharing here for long enough to know each other like family members. Freedom of expression might involve tolerating of a great deal of nonsense, even of matters which are in bad taste. But

freedom of expression also allows us to clear our doubts and apprehensions regarding situations, regarding people, regarding friends, which creates a greater harmony within a community or a group.I do not believe in wielding the scissors especially when the message is from a regular active member who is generally non-controversial. I do not stop messages except when they’re abusive and not pertaining to the group activity. If Gopi ji has expressed some doubt, it should be cleared and not suppressed, because this will keep it smouldering for ever.We all know that winning or losing a quiz is the least important matter in astrology. If Gopi ji raised this point, I am sure it might’ve been in some weaker moment. I am sure he did not mean disregard to you or anyone else, but sometimes family members do speak in mocking tones! All flavours of expression, otherwise it would be so boring. I have been very busy for the last few

days to share much with you all, though working on the computer all day long allows me to take care of my post-office work for the group. As of now I have been enjoying reading the good exchanges in between. I hope to be more active shortly. Thanks.I am sorry if there’s been a problem because of me. May be I am too relaxed as a moderator, but that's what I am, not to be provoked easily. Shall we now forget this and close the thread to move ahead with a better understanding. :-)RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear manoj Chandranji and Neelamji,

 

Both of You are great assets to any forum. It is gems like you who make

, what is known as a good society.

 

With you both around, matters have to settle down without doubt as it

has been done now.

 

I personally do not know Dear Gopalkrishnan ji and I heartily apologise

to him for any hurt caused to him innocently initially, and on purpose

subsequently. On both counts I have hurt him anyways, and I am really

regretful. I hope he removes any misgivings for me in his heart, and I

feel intuitively that he is senior by age, and he must forigive me and

bless me if he has really forgotten my lapse as one wise senior does to

an impudent and audacious junior.

 

kind regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji, Gopi Ji,

>

> " When what is Said is NOTÂ What is Meant, What Needs To Be Done,

Remains Undone " .

>

> The way I look at this it is just a matter of miscommunication between

two intelligent and decent people. Since you are not sitting across the

table, sipping Chai, this has occured. Let us look at Bhaskar

Ji's most recent statement:

>

> " Giving due credit where it must be given - this is a good

theoreticalread undoubtedly, better than most other reads we come

across, but itdoes not teach me still how to predict ones profession. "

>

> If THIS Line had been inserted in the BEGINNING of Bhaskar Ji's email

where he " seemingly " criticized the forwarded email from Gopi Ji,

this miscommunicationg would not have occured. From my point of view TWO

things are clear:

>

> 1. Gopi Ji was very generous in reading and forwarding a Nice

email from Imran Ji to all of us to read.

>

> 2. Bhaskar Ji read this email and was generous in providing us

further inputs from his vast experience.

>

> Just some miscommunication between family members of this Lovely group

has caused this. I believe Neelam Ji did absolutely the right thing in

allowing this to play out, so feelings are NOT suppressed and may

Boil over later.

>

> Both of you are valuable contributors and hope we can leave this

behind and move forward with greater understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

>

> Tue, November 24, 2009 7:53:50 AM

> Re: This need not be posted , but

just for introspections

>

> Â

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Some one said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend

your right to say it.†I do not remember who said this but I do

agree fully with the essence of this statement. We can only create an

ideal society, a society where people do not live in fear and

self-defence, only when we start respecting each other’s freedom

of speech and expression.

>

> I understand we get disturbed and perturbed when what is being said is

not up to our liking. I understand that it often hurts when we get

personal attacks, sometimes directly, sometimes on the sly. But most

likely, the controversy leads to a greater understanding of people and

issues at hand.

>

> We are a group of grown up learned individuals. Most of the active

members have been sharing here for long enough to know each other like

family members. Freedom of expression might involve tolerating of a

great deal of nonsense, even of matters which are in bad taste. But

freedom of expression also allows us to clear our doubts and

apprehensions regarding situations, regarding people, regarding friends,

which creates a greater harmony within a community or a group.

>

> I do not believe in wielding the scissors especially when the message

is from a regular active member who is generally non-controversial. I do

not stop messages except when they’re abusive and not pertaining

to the group activity. If Gopi ji has expressed some doubt, it should be

cleared and not suppressed, because this will keep it smouldering for

ever.

>

> We all know that winning or losing a quiz is the least important

matter in astrology. If Gopi ji raised this point, I am sure it

might’ve been in some weaker moment. I am sure he did not mean

disregard to you or anyone else, but sometimes family members do speak

in mocking tones! All flavours of expression, otherwise it would be so

boring. Â

>

> I have been very busy for the last few days to share much with you

all, though working on the computer all day long allows me to take care

of my post-office work for the group. As of now I have been enjoying

reading the good exchanges in between. I hope to be more active shortly.

Thanks.

>

> I am sorry if there’s been a problem because of me. May be I am

too relaxed as a moderator, but that's what I am, not to be provoked

easily.

>

> Shall we now forget this and close the thread to move ahead with a

better understanding. :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bhaskar ji for your kind thoughts.The group is what we all make of it!We all know that you are always objective in your reasoning and do not mean any personal offense to anyone.May peace and harmony prevail in the group.

RegardsNeelam2009/11/24 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear manoj Chandranji and Neelamji,

 

Both of You are great assets to any forum. It is gems like you who make

, what is known as a good society.

 

With you both around, matters have to settle down without doubt as it

has been done now.

 

I personally do not know Dear Gopalkrishnan ji and I heartily apologise

to him for any hurt caused to him innocently initially, and on purpose

subsequently. On both counts I have hurt him anyways, and I am really

regretful. I hope he removes any misgivings for me in his heart, and I

feel intuitively that he is senior by age, and he must forigive me and

bless me if he has really forgotten my lapse as one wise senior does to

an impudent and audacious junior.

 

kind regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji, Gopi Ji,

>

> " When what is Said is NOTÂ What is Meant, What Needs To Be Done,

Remains Undone " .

>

> The way I look at this it is just a matter of miscommunication between

two intelligent and decent people. Since you are not sitting across the

table, sipping Chai, this has occured. Let us look at Bhaskar

Ji's most recent statement:

>

> " Giving due credit where it must be given - this is a good

theoreticalread undoubtedly, better than most other reads we come

across, but itdoes not teach me still how to predict ones profession. "

>

> If THIS Line had been inserted in the BEGINNING of Bhaskar Ji's email

where he " seemingly " criticized the forwarded email from Gopi Ji,

this miscommunicationg would not have occured. From my point of view TWO

things are clear:

>

> 1. Gopi Ji was very generous in reading and forwarding a Nice

email from Imran Ji to all of us to read.

>

> 2. Bhaskar Ji read this email and was generous in providing us

further inputs from his vast experience.

>

> Just some miscommunication between family members of this Lovely group

has caused this. I believe Neelam Ji did absolutely the right thing in

allowing this to play out, so feelings are NOT suppressed and may

Boil over later.

>

> Both of you are valuable contributors and hope we can leave this

behind and move forward with greater understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

>

> Tue, November 24, 2009 7:53:50 AM

> Re: This need not be posted , but

just for introspections

>

> Â

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Some one said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend

your right to say it.†I do not remember who said this but I do

agree fully with the essence of this statement. We can only create an

ideal society, a society where people do not live in fear and

self-defence, only when we start respecting each other’s freedom

of speech and expression.

>

> I understand we get disturbed and perturbed when what is being said is

not up to our liking. I understand that it often hurts when we get

personal attacks, sometimes directly, sometimes on the sly. But most

likely, the controversy leads to a greater understanding of people and

issues at hand.

>

> We are a group of grown up learned individuals. Most of the active

members have been sharing here for long enough to know each other like

family members. Freedom of expression might involve tolerating of a

great deal of nonsense, even of matters which are in bad taste. But

freedom of expression also allows us to clear our doubts and

apprehensions regarding situations, regarding people, regarding friends,

which creates a greater harmony within a community or a group.

>

> I do not believe in wielding the scissors especially when the message

is from a regular active member who is generally non-controversial. I do

not stop messages except when they’re abusive and not pertaining

to the group activity. If Gopi ji has expressed some doubt, it should be

cleared and not suppressed, because this will keep it smouldering for

ever.

>

> We all know that winning or losing a quiz is the least important

matter in astrology. If Gopi ji raised this point, I am sure it

might’ve been in some weaker moment. I am sure he did not mean

disregard to you or anyone else, but sometimes family members do speak

in mocking tones! All flavours of expression, otherwise it would be so

boring. Â

>

> I have been very busy for the last few days to share much with you

all, though working on the computer all day long allows me to take care

of my post-office work for the group. As of now I have been enjoying

reading the good exchanges in between. I hope to be more active shortly.

Thanks.

>

> I am sorry if there’s been a problem because of me. May be I am

too relaxed as a moderator, but that's what I am, not to be provoked

easily.

>

> Shall we now forget this and close the thread to move ahead with a

better understanding. :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>