Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear All. Namaskar. I am a new member and posting my first letter. I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science. I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems. I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge. Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning. I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject. I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above. I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally. I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective. I request all to please enlighten me ------- 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me. Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! Looking forward to the kind guidance ! Regards Om Prakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear Om ji,You are already a member and we welcome you to the group. Please feel free to learn and absorb. Also share if you have anything to share.BUT, please don't aspire to earn a Ph.D in Astrology in one day! :-) Best Wishes.RegardsNeelam2009/11/24 Om <ops2122 Dear All. Namaskar. I am a new member and posting my first letter. I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science. I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems. I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge. Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning. I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject. I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above. I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally. I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective. I request all to please enlighten me ------- 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me. Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! Looking forward to the kind guidance ! Regards Om Prakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear OM Prakash Ji, Welcome to our group. You indeed have a barrage of questions !!! However, there is one fundamental question you need to first answer. In Jyotish, One needs to ask Oneself always: 1. Good for What? and Bad for What? All planets/situations/conditions have multiple ramifications. Good/Bad is too simplistic and obscures the complexity of this great science. 2. We don't make Oatmeal in Jyotish, meaning, if there are contradictory indications, they all play out in the person's life. 3. Theoritical delianations that don't happen in the context of a chart are not useful. Every thing has to be looked at in the context of a chart. //I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally.// Even in Science there is NO FINAL conclusion, since new discoveries are made every day. How do you expect a FINAL conclusion in a Metaphysical-Science like Jyotish? Regards, -Manoj Om <ops2122 Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM Greetings with some Questions ! Dear All. Namaskar. I am a new member and posting my first letter. I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science. I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems. I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge. Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning. I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject. I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above. I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally. I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective. I request all to please enlighten me ------- 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha, shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too? 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me. Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! Looking forward to the kind guidance ! 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Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Om Prakash ji, //Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page !// What do you mean by that?! Are you all new to and net using? From that statement it seems so. Anyway the answer is - * This is NOT a site created by us, but we are using the group service provided by ; just like someone who is using mail. Whatever features provides we have, what they don't provide we don't have. Anyway coming to spell checking- * if you are using mail to respond to the messages then use the spell checking feature in your mail. * if you are using some text editor like Microsoft Word etc to type the message, then use the spell checking feature provided by your editor. Hope this helps. Note 1: is a service provided by . It is a combination of a discussion board and a mailing list. Just like the numerous groups on various subjects present in , we too created a group to discuss and is using this for 4 years approx. Ofcourse we are grateful to for providing us with this platform for free. But please note that we are not in anyway related to , but only the beneficiaries of a free service. Note 2: Coming to the questions or doubts you raised somebody may address some of them, if they gets interested. It is a group having more than 3000 members and I hope someone may answer some of your doubts. Or you can even try searching the group achieves to find answers to some of these questions. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Om " <ops2122 wrote: > > > Dear All. > > Namaskar. > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this > divine science. > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > real gems. > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > knowledge. > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > perspective. > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > ascendants and planets too. > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome less malefic ? > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > account and what will be the result? > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > in Leo ? > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > it behave as the exalted one? > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > dasha system? > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > methods? > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please > guide me. > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > Regards > > Om Prakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji & Manoj Ji, Thanks for your reply. I read few of your articles on The Journal Of Astrology site which are very impressive and show your vast knowledge & superb analysis. But I was not aware of this site and luckily came to know about this from a letter of a reader. Might be my first e-mail/posting sounded that way but I never assume that I can get a Ph.D. in astrology in just one day. I don't even want to do so.The fact is that I usually take part in different discussions/seminars/TV talk show etc defending astrology with whatever the little knowledge I have. I feel hurt seeing the so called science-based persons totally discarding it without going through it which is absolutely an unscientific way and also the selfish cheaters cheating the innocent people by misinterpreting astrology. You are doing a very pious work by churning this ocean of knowledge which will bring out many gems Reggards Om , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Om ji,> > You are already a member and we welcome you to the group. Please feel free> to learn and absorb. Also share if you have anything to share.> > BUT, please don't aspire to earn a Ph.D in Astrology in one day! :-)> > Best Wishes.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/11/24 Om ops2122 > >> >> > Dear All.> >> > Namaskar.> >> > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> >> > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this> > divine science.> >> > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered.> >> > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last> > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & real> > gems.> >> > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> > knowledge.> >> > *Can I be the member of this group ?* I think ,Yes, but it is always> > better to clarify the things in the beginning.> >> > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> > scholar nor an expert of this subject.> >> > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for> > obvious reasons as mentioned above.> >> > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I> > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology> > in order to conclude finally.> >> > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective.> >> > I request all to please enlighten me -------> >> > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad?> > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the> > 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad?> > Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and> > planets too.> >> > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has> > nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the> > combustion degree --it is combust?> >> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome> > less malefic ?> >> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,shadbal> > etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the> > outcome on a plane basis.> >> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd> > house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its> > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into> > account and what will be the result?> >> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house> > actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in> > Leo ?> >> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be> > *Vriddha* so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes> > Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus> > powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> >> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th> > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does> > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> >> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> > results becuse it is vargottam ?> >> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> >> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> >> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or *viceversa* -----is> > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it> > behave as the exalted one?> >> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect> > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or *viceversa* case too?> >> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly> > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> >> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the> > 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> >> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> > dasha system?> >> > 15] Which degree of *Mrityubhaga* is correct as there are several> > methods?> >> > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean> > of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> >> > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please> > guide me.> >> > *Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page* !> >> > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> >> > Regards> >> > Om Prakash> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Sreenadh Ji, I got your point. Thanks. , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Om Prakash ji, > //Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page !// > What do you mean by that?! Are you all new to and net using? From that statement it seems so. Anyway the answer is - > * This is NOT a site created by us, but we are using the group service provided by ; just like someone who is using mail. Whatever features provides we have, what they don't provide we don't have. > Anyway coming to spell checking- > * if you are using mail to respond to the messages then use the spell checking feature in your mail. > * if you are using some text editor like Microsoft Word etc to type the message, then use the spell checking feature provided by your editor. > Hope this helps. > > Note 1: is a service provided by . It is a combination of a discussion board and a mailing list. Just like the numerous groups on various subjects present in , we too created a group to discuss and is using this for 4 years approx. Ofcourse we are grateful to for providing us with this platform for free. But please note that we are not in anyway related to , but only the beneficiaries of a free service. > Note 2: Coming to the questions or doubts you raised somebody may address some of them, if they gets interested. It is a group having more than 3000 members and I hope someone may answer some of your doubts. Or you can even try searching the group achieves to find answers to some of these questions. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Om " <ops2122@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > Namaskar. > > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this > > divine science. > > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. > > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last > > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > > real gems. > > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > > knowledge. > > > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a > > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective. > > > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > beome less malefic ? > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > > account and what will be the result? > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > in Leo ? > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > > dasha system? > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > methods? > > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please > > guide me. > > > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! > > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > > > Regards > > > > Om Prakash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Friend, Namaskar Babu. 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. How do you personally define a malefic or benefic planet ? Sun being 8th Lord placed in 10th, there are many classics which will give you the result. You can read the saravali for same. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? What are the degrees you consider for combustion ? What is meant by "any planet" ? Mercury and Venus are always near to Sun . Do You personally consider Mercury as combust ? What if Mercury is retrograde as well as combust. How would you see it or consider it resulting as ? 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. Again what is meant by malefic ? Natural malefic and benefic, or wrt a partcular ascendant ? Do You take the tatkalik and panchada when you consider as malefic or benefic ? 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? Too much of talking always reveals the torn pockets and actual intelligence of a person. You it seems do not know anything about astrology but just throwing questions for effect . If Jupiter goes to 2nd house in bhava chalit, which great master in india or the world taught you that Jupiter gets debilitated? It seems you do not know anything or basics about Bhava chalit. 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? You are mixing house division methods. Which house division do you use normally? that should answer your query. 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? Power or powerless depends upon the department you wish to check the results in . The wife may be powerful against her husband but may be very weak in front of her mother in law. 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? Do You know about "Square aspects" ? Do you know how this square aspect is translated in Hindu astrology ? Do you know whether we take degreecal aspects or not in Hindu astrology ? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? There are certain rules about every planet, what happens when it becomes Vargottama. Spoon feeding is not good. You must spend some time in reading the texts. 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? Have you heard about Gol Yoga ? If not then please search and read the results about this. You may apply the results to any native born on 5th february 1962. 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? Good and bad both. 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? Please read the Deva Keralam for exact results and authenticity. What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? Read what Shri KN rao has to say about this. 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? Check the dispositors placement and sign position before you jump to conclusions . 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? The 7th house significations are signified. Mars,Venus and Rahu what effects they will give in 7th is like asking how a pen will behave in a persons hands. It will behave differently in a childs, authors and a magistrates hand. Check the ascendant. 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? Please define what is Char Karaka and how do we compute Char dasha mathematically ? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? Please define and explain Mrityubhaga and its applications. I will not be able to reply any further on this exchange unless I find the discussion interesting because time and brain power is to be used meticulously. Dear friends, this is a clear case of trying to push the astrologers in this forum to a corner. Till Bhaskar is here, this will not happen.And with your strength it cannot happen. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "Om" <ops2122 wrote:>> > Dear All.> > Namaskar.> > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this> divine science.> > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered.> > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last> say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > real gems.> > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> knowledge.> > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always> better to clarify the things in the beginning.> > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> scholar nor an expert of this subject.> > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for> obvious reasons as mentioned above.> > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I> simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of> astrology in order to conclude finally.> > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > perspective.> > I request all to please enlighten me -------> > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad?> Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in> the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house> or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different> ascendants and planets too.> > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet> has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is> within the combustion degree --it is combust?> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it> beome less malefic ?> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take> navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's> strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its> mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into> account and what will be the result?> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually> ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of> in Leo ?> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to> be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree]> thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th> house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does> these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> results becuse it is vargottam ?> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is> it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does> it behave as the exalted one?> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect> that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly> exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in> the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> dasha system?> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> methods?> > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge> ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please> guide me.> > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page !> > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> > Regards> > Om Prakash> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Om ji, Any simpleton also knows that astrology is not so simple. Talking about swimming and going to swim in waters are seperate. Pravchan and practise are poles apart and rarely meet. When we sat that " Astrology is simple " it means that astrology after having been studied for n number of years and millions of night wicks been burnt, one realises that astrology does not need complexitioes and complications for one to predict. A simple understanding of the basic principles which have been grasped by a good astrologer is all what it takes to predict. But to reach this simplicity like Abdul Kalam, one has to go through the fire. Astrology is totally scientifc, but with only science one cannot put Life ina dead person, so one needs Intution powers alongwith Gods grace to make this scientific science effective when one practises it. regards/Bhaskar. , " Om " <ops2122 wrote: > > > Dear Neelam Ji & Manoj Ji, > > Thanks for your reply. > > I read few of your articles on The Journal Of Astrology site which are > very impressive and show your vast knowledge & superb analysis. > > But I was not aware of this site and luckily came to know about this > from a letter of a reader. > > Might be my first e-mail/posting sounded that way but I never assume > that I can get a Ph.D. in astrology in just one day. > > I don't even want to do so.The fact is that I usually take part in > different discussions/seminars/TV talk show etc defending astrology with > whatever the little knowledge I have. > > I feel hurt seeing the so called science-based persons totally > discarding it without going through it which is absolutely an > unscientific way and also the selfish cheaters cheating the innocent > people by misinterpreting astrology. > > You are doing a very pious work by churning this ocean of knowledge > which will bring out many gems > > Reggards > > Om > , neelam gupta > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Om ji, > > > > You are already a member and we welcome you to the group. Please feel > free > > to learn and absorb. Also share if you have anything to share. > > > > BUT, please don't aspire to earn a Ph.D in Astrology in one day! :-) > > > > Best Wishes. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/11/24 Om ops2122@ > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > > > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of > this > > > divine science. > > > > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be > conquered. > > > > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the > last > > > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius > & real > > > gems. > > > > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > > > knowledge. > > > > > > *Can I be the member of this group ?* I think ,Yes, but it is always > > > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > > > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time > & > > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither > a > > > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > > > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > > > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > > > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; > I > > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > astrology > > > in order to conclude finally. > > > > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > > perspective. > > > > > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed > in the > > > 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or bad? > > > Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants > and > > > planets too. > > > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it > be > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such > planet has > > > nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the > > > combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does > it beome > > > less malefic ? > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > navamsha,avastha,shadbal > > > etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will > be the > > > outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves > to 2nd > > > house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > into > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house > > > actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet > is at 25 > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead > of in > > > Leo ? > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is > said to be > > > *Vriddha* so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > becomes > > > Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus > > > powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the > 4th > > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > does > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or *viceversa* > -----is > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > owns?Does it > > > behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > aspect > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or *viceversa* case too? > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > Similarly > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the > person > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are > in the > > > 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini > Char > > > dasha system? > > > > > > 15] Which degree of *Mrityubhaga* is correct as there are several > > > methods? > > > > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > ocean > > > of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > > > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper > guidance,please > > > guide me. > > > > > > *Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page* ! > > > > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Om Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Respected Moderators, I am just surprised,shocked & stunned reading the comments of Mr.Bhaskar [ Message No. 28483] pertaining to my questions asked with a simple view to get the clearer picture of my confusion. Did anybody feel offended with these questions/actually my doubts? Please go through my letter once again,do you find anything objectionable or indecent or unparliamenatary ? Did I not put my questions with humility? The way Mr.Bhaskar replied is highly humiliating and I feel deeply insulted and hurt. Please tell me if it is a crime asking questions or raising issues for enlightenment on this group? Why is this arrogance ? When Lata Mangeshkar says that she is still learning how to sing ,does Mr.Bhaskar think that he knows everything of Astrology? Perhaps he is suffering from ' I Am The Only Syndrome' ! Prathame Graase Machchika for me as it was my first letter which led to such a bitter behavior from a scholor[?]. Regards Om , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Friend, Namaskar Babu. 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise> ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the> Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie.> debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help> in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. How> do you personally define a malefic or benefic planet ? Sun being 8th> Lord placed in 10th, there are many classics which will give you the> result. You can read the saravali for same.> 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet> has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is> within the combustion degree --it is combust?> > What are the degrees you consider for combustion ? What is meant by "any> planet" ? Mercury and Venus are always near to Sun . Do You personally> consider Mercury as combust ? What if Mercury is retrograde as well as> combust. How would you see it or consider it resulting as ?> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it> beome less malefic ?> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take> navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's> strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.> > Again what is meant by malefic ? Natural malefic and benefic, or wrt a> partcular ascendant ? Do You take the tatkalik and panchada when you> consider as malefic or benefic ?> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its> mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into> account and what will be the result?> > Too much of talking always reveals the torn pockets and actual> intelligence of a person. You it seems do not know anything about> astrology but just throwing questions for effect . If Jupiter goes to> 2nd house in bhava chalit, which great master in india or the world> taught you that Jupiter gets debilitated? It seems you do not know> anything or basics about Bhava chalit.> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually> ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of> in Leo ?> > You are mixing house division methods. Which house division do you use> normally? that should answer your query.> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to> be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree]> thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > Power or powerless depends upon the department you wish to check the> results in . The wife may be powerful against her husband but may be> very weak in front of her mother in law.> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th> house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does> these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> > Do You know about "Square aspects" ? Do you know how this square aspect> is translated in Hindu astrology ? Do you know whether we take degreecal> aspects or not in Hindu astrology ?> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> results becuse it is vargottam ?> > There are certain rules about every planet, what happens when it becomes> Vargottama. Spoon feeding is not good. You must spend some time in> reading the texts.> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > Have you heard about Gol Yoga ? If not then please search and read the> results about this. You may apply the results to any native born on 5th> february 1962.> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > Good and bad both.> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is> it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does> it behave as the exalted one?> > Please read the Deva Keralam for exact results and authenticity.> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect> that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > Read what Shri KN rao has to say about this.> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly> exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > Check the dispositors placement and sign position before you jump to> conclusions .> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in> the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > The 7th house significations are signified. Mars,Venus and Rahu what> effects they will give in 7th is like asking how a pen will behave in a> persons hands. It will behave differently in a childs, authors and a> magistrates hand. Check the ascendant.> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> dasha system?> > Please define what is Char Karaka and how do we compute Char dasha> mathematically ?> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> methods?> > Please define and explain Mrityubhaga and its applications.> > I will not be able to reply any further on this exchange unless I find> the discussion interesting because time and brain power is to be used> meticulously.> > Dear friends, this is a clear case of trying to push the astrologers in> this forum to a corner. Till Bhaskar is here, this will not happen.And> with your strength it cannot happen.> > Best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "Om" ops2122@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear All.> >> > Namaskar.> >> > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> >> > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of> this> > divine science.> >> > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be> conquered.> >> > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the> last> > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > > real gems.> >> > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> > knowledge.> >> > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always> > better to clarify the things in the beginning.> >> > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> > scholar nor an expert of this subject.> >> > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for> > obvious reasons as mentioned above.> >> > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I> > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of> > astrology in order to conclude finally.> >> > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective.> >> > I request all to please enlighten me -------> >> > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad?> > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed> in> > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th> house> > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different> > ascendants and planets too.> >> > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet> > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is> > within the combustion degree --it is combust?> >> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it> > beome less malefic ?> >> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take> > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's> > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.> >> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in> its> > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken> into> > account and what will be the result?> >> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually> > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of> > in Leo ?> >> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said> to> > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree]> > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> >> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the> 4th> > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then> does> > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> >> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> > results becuse it is vargottam ?> >> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> >> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> >> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa> -----is> > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it> owns?Does> > it behave as the exalted one?> >> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will> aspect> > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> >> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> Similarly> > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> >> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are> in> > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> >> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> > dasha system?> >> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> > methods?> >> > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge> > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> >> > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper> guidance,please> > guide me.> >> > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page !> >> > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> >> > Regards> >> > Om Prakash> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Om ji,You are a new member in the forum and your credentials and qualifications are not yet known to anyone in the group. Your first mail was loaded with too many questions. Such mails may not generate good response in any group. Bhaskar ji was not trying to humiliate you. Rather he took pains to answer your questions one by one without even knowing how much you already know and how much you need to know. You should not feel bad about his words as that is his style of writing! Once you get familiar with members of the group, you will understand. Normally a new member should take time to browse through the archives and discussions and move into discussions slowly. He must try to understand the group's activities and dynamics. This group is neither for answering questions nor for teaching astrology, but for healthy discussions on various topics pertaining to ancient astrology. There is no crime in raising questions, but before putting up questions we must know how best to raise queries that we elicit good responses. Even I joked light-heartedly when you raised so many queries!I know you are a learned astrologer because you have raised advance-level queries. I would request you to be around and get to know the group better. You may yourself open up these questions one by one for discussion and interested members would join in. Your willingness to share and learn without getting perturbed over trivial matters will give you what you seek. :-)Best Wishes and RegardsNeelam2009/11/25 Om <ops2122 Respected Moderators, I am just surprised,shocked & stunned reading the comments of Mr.Bhaskar [ Message No. 28483] pertaining to my questions asked with a simple view to get the clearer picture of my confusion. Did anybody feel offended with these questions/actually my doubts? Please go through my letter once again,do you find anything objectionable or indecent or unparliamenatary ? Did I not put my questions with humility? The way Mr.Bhaskar replied is highly humiliating and I feel deeply insulted and hurt. Please tell me if it is a crime asking questions or raising issues for enlightenment on this group? Why is this arrogance ? When Lata Mangeshkar says that she is still learning how to sing ,does Mr.Bhaskar think that he knows everything of Astrology? Perhaps he is suffering from ' I Am The Only Syndrome' ! Prathame Graase Machchika for me as it was my first letter which led to such a bitter behavior from a scholor[?]. Regards Om , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Friend, Namaskar Babu. 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise > ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the> Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie.> debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help > in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. How> do you personally define a malefic or benefic planet ? Sun being 8th> Lord placed in 10th, there are many classics which will give you the > result. You can read the saravali for same.> 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet> has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust?> > What are the degrees you consider for combustion ? What is meant by " any> planet " ? Mercury and Venus are always near to Sun . Do You personally > consider Mercury as combust ? What if Mercury is retrograde as well as> combust. How would you see it or consider it resulting as ?> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome less malefic ?> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take> navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's> strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > Again what is meant by malefic ? Natural malefic and benefic, or wrt a> partcular ascendant ? Do You take the tatkalik and panchada when you> consider as malefic or benefic ?> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its> mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > account and what will be the result?> > Too much of talking always reveals the torn pockets and actual> intelligence of a person. You it seems do not know anything about> astrology but just throwing questions for effect . If Jupiter goes to > 2nd house in bhava chalit, which great master in india or the world> taught you that Jupiter gets debilitated? It seems you do not know> anything or basics about Bhava chalit.> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of> in Leo ?> > You are mixing house division methods. Which house division do you use > normally? that should answer your query.> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to> be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > Power or powerless depends upon the department you wish to check the> results in . The wife may be powerful against her husband but may be > very weak in front of her mother in law.> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th> house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> > Do You know about " Square aspects " ? Do you know how this square aspect> is translated in Hindu astrology ? Do you know whether we take degreecal > aspects or not in Hindu astrology ?> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> results becuse it is vargottam ?> > There are certain rules about every planet, what happens when it becomes > Vargottama. Spoon feeding is not good. You must spend some time in> reading the texts.> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > Have you heard about Gol Yoga ? If not then please search and read the > results about this. You may apply the results to any native born on 5th> february 1962.> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > Good and bad both.> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does> it behave as the exalted one?> > Please read the Deva Keralam for exact results and authenticity.> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > Read what Shri KN rao has to say about this.> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > Check the dispositors placement and sign position before you jump to> conclusions .> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in> the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > The 7th house significations are signified. Mars,Venus and Rahu what > effects they will give in 7th is like asking how a pen will behave in a> persons hands. It will behave differently in a childs, authors and a> magistrates hand. Check the ascendant.> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > dasha system?> > Please define what is Char Karaka and how do we compute Char dasha> mathematically ?> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> methods? > > Please define and explain Mrityubhaga and its applications.> > I will not be able to reply any further on this exchange unless I find> the discussion interesting because time and brain power is to be used > meticulously.> > Dear friends, this is a clear case of trying to push the astrologers in> this forum to a corner. Till Bhaskar is here, this will not happen.And> with your strength it cannot happen. > > Best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , " Om " ops2122@ > wrote:> >> >> > Dear All.> >> > Namaskar.> >> > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> >> > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of > this> > divine science.> >> > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be> conquered.> >> > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the > last> > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > > real gems.> >> > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> > knowledge. > >> > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always> > better to clarify the things in the beginning.> >> > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> > scholar nor an expert of this subject.> >> > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > > obvious reasons as mentioned above.> >> > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I> > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > > astrology in order to conclude finally.> >> > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective.> >> > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > >> > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad?> > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed> in> > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th > house> > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different> > ascendants and planets too.> >> > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet> > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is> > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > >> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it> > beome less malefic ?> >> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take> > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.> >> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in > its> > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken> into> > account and what will be the result? > >> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually> > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25> > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > in Leo ?> >> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said> to> > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> >> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the> 4th> > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > does> > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> >> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> > results becuse it is vargottam ? > >> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> >> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> >> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > -----is> > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it> owns?Does> > it behave as the exalted one?> >> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > aspect> > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> >> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> Similarly> > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > >> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are> in> > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > >> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> > dasha system?> >> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> > methods? > >> > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge> > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> >> > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper > guidance,please> > guide me.> >> > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page !> >> > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> > > > Regards> >> > Om Prakash> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Om ji, There is nothing personal here. No arrogance. In fact the questions which were put, were demanding too much without any show of levels of understanding already redeemed with the writer. So those were replied in the same vein. I may be suffering from the syndrome " I am better than Amitabh bachhan " . Does anybodys suffering from syndromes, must matter to you? I could also say that in your mail you were suggesting to project a syndrome " I will now take out all their smartness with my queries, and show them there are smarter people around'. But did I say that ? You must be thankful that somebody spent time in replying to your mail, instead you are pointing a finger at me, forgetting that other 3 fingers from your own hand are pointing towards your ownself. You did put lot many queries and not all were smart enough. You never even mentioned your own views about same but just looked for wanting to know how much others know over here. Please forget Bhaskar and if you are really a seeker then get along with the discussions leaving Bhaskar aside. Bhaskar is not really important. Astrology is. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Om " <ops2122 wrote: > > > Respected Moderators, > > I am just surprised,shocked & stunned reading the comments of > Mr.Bhaskar [ Message No. 28483] pertaining to my questions asked with a > simple view to get the clearer picture of my confusion. > > Did anybody feel offended with these questions/actually my doubts? > > Please go through my letter once again,do you find anything > objectionable or indecent or unparliamenatary ? > > Did I not put my questions with humility? > > The way Mr.Bhaskar replied is highly humiliating and I feel deeply > insulted and hurt. > > Please tell me if it is a crime asking questions or raising issues for > enlightenment on this group? > > Why is this arrogance ? > > When Lata Mangeshkar says that she is still learning how to sing ,does > Mr.Bhaskar think that he knows everything of Astrology? > > Perhaps he is suffering from ' I Am The Only Syndrome' ! > > Prathame Graase Machchika for me as it was my first letter which led to > such a bitter behavior from a scholor[?]. > > Regards > > Om > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > Dear Friend, Namaskar Babu. 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise > > ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the > > Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. > > debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help > > in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. How > > do you personally define a malefic or benefic planet ? Sun being 8th > > Lord placed in 10th, there are many classics which will give you the > > result. You can read the saravali for same. > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > What are the degrees you consider for combustion ? What is meant by > " any > > planet " ? Mercury and Venus are always near to Sun . Do You personally > > consider Mercury as combust ? What if Mercury is retrograde as well as > > combust. How would you see it or consider it resulting as ? > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > beome less malefic ? > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > Again what is meant by malefic ? Natural malefic and benefic, or wrt a > > partcular ascendant ? Do You take the tatkalik and panchada when you > > consider as malefic or benefic ? > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in > its > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > into > > account and what will be the result? > > > > Too much of talking always reveals the torn pockets and actual > > intelligence of a person. You it seems do not know anything about > > astrology but just throwing questions for effect . If Jupiter goes to > > 2nd house in bhava chalit, which great master in india or the world > > taught you that Jupiter gets debilitated? It seems you do not know > > anything or basics about Bhava chalit. > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > in Leo ? > > > > You are mixing house division methods. Which house division do you use > > normally? that should answer your query. > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said > to > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > Power or powerless depends upon the department you wish to check the > > results in . The wife may be powerful against her husband but may be > > very weak in front of her mother in law. > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the > 4th > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > does > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > Do You know about " Square aspects " ? Do you know how this square > aspect > > is translated in Hindu astrology ? Do you know whether we take > degreecal > > aspects or not in Hindu astrology ? > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > There are certain rules about every planet, what happens when it > becomes > > Vargottama. Spoon feeding is not good. You must spend some time in > > reading the texts. > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > Have you heard about Gol Yoga ? If not then please search and read the > > results about this. You may apply the results to any native born on > 5th > > february 1962. > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > Good and bad both. > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > -----is > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > owns?Does > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > Please read the Deva Keralam for exact results and authenticity. > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > aspect > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > Read what Shri KN rao has to say about this. > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > Similarly > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > Check the dispositors placement and sign position before you jump to > > conclusions . > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are > in > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > > The 7th house significations are signified. Mars,Venus and Rahu what > > effects they will give in 7th is like asking how a pen will behave in > a > > persons hands. It will behave differently in a childs, authors and a > > magistrates hand. Check the ascendant. > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > > dasha system? > > > > Please define what is Char Karaka and how do we compute Char dasha > > mathematically ? > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > methods? > > > > Please define and explain Mrityubhaga and its applications. > > > > I will not be able to reply any further on this exchange unless I find > > the discussion interesting because time and brain power is to be used > > meticulously. > > > > Dear friends, this is a clear case of trying to push the astrologers > in > > this forum to a corner. Till Bhaskar is here, this will not happen.And > > with your strength it cannot happen. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Om " ops2122@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > > > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of > > this > > > divine science. > > > > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be > > conquered. > > > > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the > > last > > > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius > & > > > real gems. > > > > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > > > knowledge. > > > > > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > > > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > > > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time > & > > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither > a > > > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > > > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > > > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > > > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; > I > > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > > > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > > > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > > perspective. > > > > > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed > > in > > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th > > house > > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it > be > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such > planet > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it > is > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does > it > > > beome less malefic ? > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves > to > > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in > > its > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > > into > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house > actually > > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead > of > > > in Leo ? > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is > said > > to > > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest > degree] > > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the > > 4th > > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > > does > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > > -----is > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > > owns?Does > > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > > aspect > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > Similarly > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the > person > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are > > in > > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini > Char > > > dasha system? > > > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > > methods? > > > > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > > > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > > > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper > > guidance,please > > > guide me. > > > > > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! > > > > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Om Prakash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I never intended to test anyone, but yes, without understanding the nature of this group and its functioning well, I posted few questions. Thanks for replying few questions but were these really replies or something else? At the same time I don't want this nice group get disturbed by these things when Neelam Ji has already clarified the things in quite a friendly way. Thanks Om [Message edited. We close this thread now. Let us get on with astrology please.] , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Om ji, > > There is nothing personal here. No arrogance. In fact the questions > which were put, were demanding too much without any show of levels of > understanding already redeemed with the writer. > > So those were replied in the same vein. > > I may be suffering from the syndrome " I am better than Amitabh bachhan " . > Does anybodys suffering from syndromes, must matter to you? > > I could also say that in your mail you were suggesting to project a > syndrome " I will now take out all their smartness with my queries, and > show them there are smarter people around'. But did I say that ? > > You must be thankful that somebody spent time in replying to your mail, > instead you are pointing a finger at me, forgetting that other 3 fingers > from your own hand are pointing towards your ownself. You did put lot > many queries and not all were smart enough. You never even mentioned > your own views about same but just looked for wanting to know how much > others know over here. > > Please forget Bhaskar and if you are really a seeker then get along with > the discussions leaving Bhaskar aside. Bhaskar is not really important. > Astrology is. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Om " ops2122@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Moderators, > > > > I am just surprised,shocked & stunned reading the comments of > > Mr.Bhaskar [ Message No. 28483] pertaining to my questions asked with > a > > simple view to get the clearer picture of my confusion. > > > > Did anybody feel offended with these questions/actually my doubts? > > > > Please go through my letter once again,do you find anything > > objectionable or indecent or unparliamenatary ? > > > > Did I not put my questions with humility? > > > > The way Mr.Bhaskar replied is highly humiliating and I feel deeply > > insulted and hurt. > > > > Please tell me if it is a crime asking questions or raising issues for > > enlightenment on this group? > > > > Why is this arrogance ? > > > > When Lata Mangeshkar says that she is still learning how to sing ,does > > Mr.Bhaskar think that he knows everything of Astrology? > > > > Perhaps he is suffering from ' I Am The Only Syndrome' ! > > > > Prathame Graase Machchika for me as it was my first letter which led > to > > such a bitter behavior from a scholor[?]. > > > > Regards > > > > Om > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friend, Namaskar Babu. 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise > > > ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the > > > Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. > > > debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun > help > > > in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. > How > > > do you personally define a malefic or benefic planet ? Sun being 8th > > > Lord placed in 10th, there are many classics which will give you the > > > result. You can read the saravali for same. > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it > be > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such > planet > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it > is > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > What are the degrees you consider for combustion ? What is meant by > > " any > > > planet " ? Mercury and Venus are always near to Sun . Do You > personally > > > consider Mercury as combust ? What if Mercury is retrograde as well > as > > > combust. How would you see it or consider it resulting as ? > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does > it > > > beome less malefic ? > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > Again what is meant by malefic ? Natural malefic and benefic, or wrt > a > > > partcular ascendant ? Do You take the tatkalik and panchada when you > > > consider as malefic or benefic ? > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves > to > > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in > > its > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > > into > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > Too much of talking always reveals the torn pockets and actual > > > intelligence of a person. You it seems do not know anything about > > > astrology but just throwing questions for effect . If Jupiter goes > to > > > 2nd house in bhava chalit, which great master in india or the world > > > taught you that Jupiter gets debilitated? It seems you do not know > > > anything or basics about Bhava chalit. > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house > actually > > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead > of > > > in Leo ? > > > > > > You are mixing house division methods. Which house division do you > use > > > normally? that should answer your query. > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is > said > > to > > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest > degree] > > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > Power or powerless depends upon the department you wish to check the > > > results in . The wife may be powerful against her husband but may be > > > very weak in front of her mother in law. > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the > > 4th > > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > > does > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > > > Do You know about " Square aspects " ? Do you know how this square > > aspect > > > is translated in Hindu astrology ? Do you know whether we take > > degreecal > > > aspects or not in Hindu astrology ? > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > There are certain rules about every planet, what happens when it > > becomes > > > Vargottama. Spoon feeding is not good. You must spend some time in > > > reading the texts. > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > Have you heard about Gol Yoga ? If not then please search and read > the > > > results about this. You may apply the results to any native born on > > 5th > > > february 1962. > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > Good and bad both. > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > > -----is > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > > owns?Does > > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > Please read the Deva Keralam for exact results and authenticity. > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > > aspect > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > > > Read what Shri KN rao has to say about this. > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > Similarly > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > Check the dispositors placement and sign position before you jump to > > > conclusions . > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the > person > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are > > in > > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > > > > The 7th house significations are signified. Mars,Venus and Rahu what > > > effects they will give in 7th is like asking how a pen will behave > in > > a > > > persons hands. It will behave differently in a childs, authors and a > > > magistrates hand. Check the ascendant. > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini > Char > > > dasha system? > > > > > > Please define what is Char Karaka and how do we compute Char dasha > > > mathematically ? > > > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > > methods? > > > > > > Please define and explain Mrityubhaga and its applications. > > > > > > I will not be able to reply any further on this exchange unless I > find > > > the discussion interesting because time and brain power is to be > used > > > meticulously. > > > > > > Dear friends, this is a clear case of trying to push the astrologers > > in > > > this forum to a corner. Till Bhaskar is here, this will not > happen.And > > > with your strength it cannot happen. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Om " ops2122@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > > > > > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of > > > this > > > > divine science. > > > > > > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be > > > conquered. > > > > > > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having > the > > > last > > > > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed > genius > > & > > > > real gems. > > > > > > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > > > > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > > > > > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me > time > > & > > > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am > neither > > a > > > > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > > > > > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat > for > > > > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > > > > > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is > indecency; > > I > > > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > > > > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > > > > > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > > > perspective. > > > > > > > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > > > > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is > placed > > > in > > > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th > > > house > > > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it > > be > > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such > > planet > > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it > > is > > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does > > it > > > > beome less malefic ? > > > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate > planet's > > > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it > moves > > to > > > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is > in > > > its > > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be > taken > > > into > > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house > > actually > > > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at > 25 > > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo > instead > > of > > > > in Leo ? > > > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is > > said > > > to > > > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same > planet > > > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest > > degree] > > > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in > the > > > 4th > > > > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > > > does > > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh > aspect? > > > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give > good > > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > > > -----is > > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > > > owns?Does > > > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > > > aspect > > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > > Similarly > > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the > > person > > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu > are > > > in > > > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous > ? > > > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini > > Char > > > > dasha system? > > > > > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > > > methods? > > > > > > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the > huge > > > > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > > > > > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper > > > guidance,please > > > > guide me. > > > > > > > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! > > > > > > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Om Prakash > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Om Prakash Ji, See below my perspective on few of your questions. 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic? An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he has a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket. A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of these suffer with his debilitation. BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such a lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then he is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he is located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer. So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made on a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors. 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible: a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Trikkisthana, Very tough. b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships) and 2nd half of life (over 40). You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same line of thinking. Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then Native's health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose his/her Father. 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in Bhava Analysis. Regards, -Manoj Om <ops2122 Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM Greetings with some Questions ! Dear All. Namaskar. I am a new member and posting my first letter. I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science. I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems. I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge. Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning. I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject. I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above. I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally. I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective. I request all to please enlighten me ------- 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha, shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too? 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me. Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! Looking forward to the kind guidance ! 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Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Manoj Ji, What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples ! The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! ! Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in dilemmas as to which way to proceed. Going through verses of classicals like BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes published by BVB etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some direction but sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right direction. So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance from the great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right direction. While going through different charts of a number of persons we astrologers have a common experience that some classical verses need to be interpreted & incorporated with in the modern times situations. We all do it too. I am giving just one example from my own chart. I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna with Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi] Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar. In my case it is quite true but how ? In two ways---- 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising participants artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark. Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their write-up of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise. You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it. 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any student makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately and not in front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to praise the student which is actually false.What I actually do is that I highlight my students' good points only without disclosing his/her shortcomings because when the classes are over the student will have to go home where he/she will not be able to make eye-contacts with the parents and it will be a perpetual punishment for the student. I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it become public. In this way ,yes, I am a liar ! Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually lies and lies only but with an aesthetic inner. I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this because I firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in everybody's future. But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that worshiping God is not only to going temples/holy places but following His wishes. An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and discussing a ton of books. Sorry .my letter became lengthy. Regards Om , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Om Prakash Ji,>  > See below my perspective on few of your questions. >  > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic?>  > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he has a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket.>  >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of these suffer with his debilitation.>  > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such a lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then he is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he is located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer.>  > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made on a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors.>  > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ?>  > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible:>  > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Trikkisthana, Very tough.> b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships) and 2nd half of life (over 40).>  > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same line of thinking.>  > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then Native's health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose his/her Father.>  >  > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?>  > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in Bhava Analysis.>  >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ________________________________> Om ops2122 > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM> Greetings with some Questions !> >  > Dear All.> Namaskar.> I am a new member and posting my first letter.> I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science.> I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered.> No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems.> I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge.> Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning.> I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject.> I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above.> I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally.> I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective.> I request all to please enlighten me -------> 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too.> 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust?> 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ?> Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha, shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.> 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result?> 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ?> 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ?> 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one?> What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system?> 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods?> I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me.> Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page!> Looking forward to the kind guidance !> Regards> OmPrakash>  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Om Prakash ji, After seeing all the troubles your questions generated, I felt like addressing (or you may call it 'non-addressing') some of them. Here goes my perspective on this - //> 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too.// The question itself is wrong since it is not right to consider planets as good or bad, malefic or benefic. This categorization is too general. The texts use these words just to make the reference and grouping easier. In truth every planet can give BOTH malefic and benefic results. So better you should look for the real results (expressed in quotes in astro classics) for that particular placement. //> 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust?// Again the question is wrong - and doesn't understand a very basic rule in astrology. In astrology 'there is no cancellation of results'! So if Sun is debilitated you are supposed to speakout the results for debilitated sun; if a planet is close in degree to Sun, then it is certainly combust and you are supposed to speakout the results for combust for that planet; if Sun is exacted you are supposed speakout results for exalted sun etc. There is 'No cancellation of results' - simple! All those results will manifest for sure. //> 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis.// Again the question is wrong and comes from a wrong understanding. As mentioned earlier no planet is completely benefic or malefic. The benefic-malefic classification itself is wrong. Instead of looking with a statistician's mind, or the corrupted mind of a science student who didn't even completed his science studies and understood the higher realms of science - better try to look at things from a holistic perspective. Look for results instead of such categorizations; Results (both good and bad results for the same placement) that you can collect from classics. And exalted Sun gives power but gives eye trouble as well; A debilitaed Sun makes one wealthy, but gives life troubles as well. So what do you say about this - from you cumbersome perspective? //> 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result?// Again the question is wrong! What is this Chalit Bhava? As per the ancient sages - 'Signs itself should be considered as Houses'. Every sages such as Skanda, Vasishta, Parasara and even the ancient scholars such as Mihira, Spujidhwja,Krishnacharya etc all followed this system only. That about what Chalit Bhava you are speaking about? From my current understanding this 'Chalit Bhava' is a corrupted new born theory that is outside the ancient astrological perspective. You took the wrong concept, violated the guidelines provided by the sages on this and is thus destined to be confused! //> 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ?// A wrong question again - that comes from the previous erroneous understanding. This is already answered - 'Signs itself should be considered as Houses as per Sages'. //> 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?// Again seems to be a wrong question. About what system or school of astrology you are speaking about. Is it about traditional Arsha system or about Jaimini system? Atmakaraka etc concept is part of Jaimini system. It is wrong to mixup different systems. If you are speaking about Jaimini system - then ask a Jaimini expert. I don't know even the ABCD of Jaimini system of astrology. I am more into Arsha school of astrology and there is no Jaimini Atmakaraka (i.e. based on highest degree etc) in it. The only Atmaakaraka I know in Arsha school of astrology is Sun which is always the Atma karaka. Sun will give results based on its relative placement in that horoscope, as told in classics (i.e. the good and bad results told for that placement in the classics). //> 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?// Again a wrong question that comes from the erroneous house consideration. Every planet aspects its 7th house. Since Sign and house are the same, it is better to say that 'Every planet aspects its 7th Sign'. No confusion involved. If the sages didn't considered degrees while dealing with aspects, why you are bringing in those irrelevant things here? Please correct your understanding on this and get out of your confusion. //> 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? // Again the same old wrong question, based on the same old erroneous understanding. If there is no negation of results- why should there be any confusion here? If such a position is present, you just have to - Speakout the results for debilitation; and for vargottam for that planet. BOTH will materialize for sure. //> 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?// At last a sensible question! Yap, generally yes. But then again it depends on the proximity of those planets, their strength, and the relative position of those planets with respect to lagna and other planets in that horoscope. //> 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?// Check the articles on the same present in the file section - written by Neelam Gupta. Your list goes on. And I got other productive work to do and with your questions I am simply bored. So just going for a tea. Others may or may not answer the same, if they gets interested; or I may try to address them if I feel like doing so later. Bye for now. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Om " <ops2122 wrote: > > > Dear All. > > Namaskar. > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this > divine science. > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered. > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last > say on this subject.Nevertheless some astrologers are indeed genius & > real gems. > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of > knowledge. > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge---I can't---this is indecency; I > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > perspective. > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > ascendants and planets too. > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome less malefic ? > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > account and what will be the result? > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > in Leo ? > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > it behave as the exalted one? > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > dasha system? > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > methods? > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please > guide me. > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page ! > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > Regards > > Om Prakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Om ji,That was a nice sharing. Thanks.It is always good to approach astrology with an open mind. Every single placement in the chart has a purpose, nothing in vain. We should be able to read it in the right perspective. In your case why has falsehood of saturn and ketu in 2H come with dignity and respect? Saturn is in own sign Makar and ketu supports a strong saturn with Jupiter in 2H from saturn. The result of this saturn is beneficial so falsehood benefits you and gives you dignity with it. The placement of two heavy weights on 2/3 houses connect you with speech and writing. The gains come through the house of Venus which Saturn supports through its uchch drishti and LL Jupiter blesses with his grace.. These are not only materialistic gains, but also ample life experiences coming through this strong 11H. Some questions if you may answer: How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of life. How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be extra particular about your intake?Are you a self-disciplinarian? RegardsNeelam2009/11/26 Om <ops2122 Dear Manoj Ji, What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples ! The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! ! Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in dilemmas as to which way to proceed. Going through verses of classicals like BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes published by BVB etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some direction but sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right direction. So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance from the great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right direction. While going through different charts of a number of persons we astrologers have a common experience that some classical verses need to be interpreted & incorporated with in the modern times situations. We all do it too. I am giving just one example from my own chart. I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna with Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi] Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar. In my case it is quite true but how ? In two ways---- 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising participants artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark. Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their write-up of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise. You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it. 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any student makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately and not in front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to praise the student which is actually false.What I actually do is that I highlight my students' good points only without disclosing his/her shortcomings because when the classes are over the student will have to go home where he/she will not be able to make eye-contacts with the parents and it will be a perpetual punishment for the student. I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it become public. In this way ,yes, I am a liar ! Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually lies and lies only but with an aesthetic inner. I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this because I firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in everybody's future. But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that worshiping God is not only to going temples/holy places but following His wishes. An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and discussing a ton of books. Sorry .my letter became lengthy. Regards Om , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Om Prakash Ji, >  > See below my perspective on few of your questions. >  > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic? >  > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he has a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket. >  >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of these suffer with his debilitation.>  > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such a lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then he is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he is located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer. >  > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made on a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors.>  > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? >  > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible: >  > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Trikkisthana, Very tough.> b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships) and 2nd half of life (over 40). >  > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same line of thinking.>  > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then Native's health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose his/her Father. >  >  > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?>  > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in Bhava Analysis. >  >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ________________________________> Om ops2122 > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM> Greetings with some Questions !> >  > Dear All.> Namaskar.> I am a new member and posting my first letter. > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this divine science.> I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered.> No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed genius & real gems. > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of knowledge.> Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better to clarify the things in the beginning. > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a scholar nor an expert of this subject.> I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for obvious reasons as mentioned above. > I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology in order to conclude finally.> I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & perspective. > I request all to please enlighten me -------> 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ?> Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha, shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ?> 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one?> What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system?> 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods?> I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please guide me.> Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page!> Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > Regards> OmPrakash>  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Om ji,nice to have you in the group.You are lucky that so many people are responding to your so many querries/doubts/clarifications or what ever.When i joined my first post was responded by only one gentleman and even now people seem to have reservations about me which is natural and i understand that.So please feel free and share/learn and enjoy.You said that you are an anchor which means that you make others enjoy which is good.Coming to the subject which i enjoy you said that you have sat with ketu in 2nd.To some extent i share sat in 2nd with you while your sat is in own H my sat is exalt and vargottama.I did some research sometime back about sat in 2nd and also jup in 10th.So please share your birth details in the group or send them to my Email if you dont mind.Remember and dont ask for predictions in the group since it's only a discussion group.//Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.//Pl dont believe it since it's not true to my knowledge.Even if it is there are many exceptions for example your sat is in own house which itself is an exception.I am not used to write/talk so much.So i will stop.Love and regards,gopi. , "Om" <ops2122 wrote:>> > Dear Manoj Ji,> > What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples !> > The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! !> > Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in> dilemmas as to which way to proceed.> > Going through verses of classicals like> BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes published by> BVB etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some> direction but sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right> direction.> > So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance from> the great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right> direction.> > While going through different charts of a number of persons we> astrologers have a common experience that some classical verses need to> be interpreted & incorporated with in the modern times situations.> > We all do it too.> > I am giving just one example from my own chart.> > I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna with> Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi]> > Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.> > In my case it is quite true but how ?> > In two ways----> > 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural> competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising participants> artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark.> > Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their> write-up of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise.> > You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it.> > 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any student> makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately and> not in front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to praise> the student which is actually false.What I actually do is that I> highlight my students' good points only without disclosing his/her> shortcomings because when the classes are over the student will have to> go home where he/she will not be able to make eye-contacts with the> parents and it will be a perpetual punishment for the student.> > I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it> become public.> > In this way ,yes, I am a liar !> > Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually lies> and lies only but with an aesthetic inner.> > I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this> because I firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in> everybody's future.> > But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that worshiping> God is not only to going temples/holy places but following His wishes.> > An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and> discussing a ton of books.> > Sorry .my letter became lengthy.> > Regards> > Om> > > , Manoj Chandran> chandran_manoj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Om Prakash Ji,> > Â> > See below my perspective on few of your questions.> > Â> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it> beome less malefic?> > Â> > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is> comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he has> a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your> head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket.> > Â> >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a> house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of these> suffer with his debilitation.> > Â> > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a> Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such a> lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here> you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then he> is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he is> located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer.> > Â> > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made on> a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors.> > Â> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give> good results becuse it is vargottam ?> > Â> > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have> their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned> planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and> conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a> condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about> position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible:> > Â> > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Trikkisthana,> Very tough.> > b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in> Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships)> and 2nd half of life (over 40).> > Â> > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same line> of thinking.> > Â> > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness> should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can> manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in> Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then Native's> health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve> dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer> drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose his/her> Father.> > Â> > Â> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > Â> > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava> Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other> factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in> Bhava Analysis.> > Â> > Â> > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > Â> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Om ops2122@> > > > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM> > Greetings with some Questions !> >> > Â> > Dear All.> > Namaskar.> > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of> this divine science.> > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be> conquered.> > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having> the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed> genius & real gems.> > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> knowledge.> > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always> better to clarify the things in the beginning.> > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> scholar nor an expert of this subject.> > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for> obvious reasons as mentioned above.> > I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I> simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of> astrology in order to conclude finally.> > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > perspective.> > I request all to please enlighten me -------> > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or> bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is> placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the> 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for> different ascendants and planets too.> > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such> planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if> it is within the combustion degree --it is combust?> > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it> beome less malefic ?> > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,> shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what> will be the outcome on a plane basis.> > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its> mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken> into account and what will be the result?> > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house> actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any> planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in> Virgo instead of in Leo ?> > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said> to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet> becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree]> thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the> 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then> does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give> good results becuse it is vargottam ?> > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa> -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it> owns?Does it behave as the exalted one?> > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will> aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in> the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini> Char dasha system?> > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> methods?> > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge> ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper> guidance,please guide me.> > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page!> > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> > Regards> > OmPrakash> > Â> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, You have asked a very very deep rooted question of the three queries. 1] I will just enlarge it that not only death like experience but many other inhuman or ultrahuman unique experiences I have come across. Once I wanted to reveal these to a very noble,scholar,pious and spiritually elevated person in my highly private conversation but it seemed that something invisible prevented me from doing so. This may be my illusion but still I don't think so. So may be at any suitable time I may write about these but in nutshell ,Yes,I have such experience but of something else and supernatural. But please remember I am neither a saint nor a great person ,I am just a very very ordinary person. 2] Food Habits and others : I like sweets more but sour too like pickles,green chillies and south Indian Dosa is my favourite. Apart from this people say that I look like a South Indian,I like white lungi,south Indian rangoli etc so much. I am a deep lover of music and sports especially cricket but don't like western music at all[pl excuse me] I like S.D.Burman but not R.D.Burman.[ Many others,this is for example only] Self Disciplinarian : Yes,I earnestly try to maintain punctuality,deadline work and keeping my word or promise. I believe that breaking one's trust and punishing an innocent are the two greatest crimes of this world which move even God. But I like sleeping and I am a bit idle,when in mood I do incessantly but when not in mood I don't like to move. I am giving my detail just for sharing and helping astrology with a real example with a hope that no august member should read much more between the lines---- DOB: 21.4.1962, Saturday. TOB: 22.30 P.M. [My mother says so, but I take it as 22.45 p.m.] POB: Jamshedpur [Jharkhand , formerly Bihar] Incidents: Marriage : 31.5.1982 Birth of son: 04.11.1983,Friday,13.40 p.m. Jamshedpur Rly Service : Joined on 22.9.1988,Topped the competition, written,oral etc.started in months before Sept.1988 Promotion : Oct.1996---Dec.1996,Joined on 12.12.1996 Hellish Period : Next 3 and half year proved for me and my family just a hell in the want of proper residence.It was an eye-opener for me. Rly Quarter: On 29 June 2000 a beautiful Rly Quarter was allotted to me in which I entered on 3 July 2000 on the eve of Rathyatra of Bhagwan Jagannath. National Prize: On 20 Sept 2000 ,Elocution/Essay writing Year 2004 : I was tried to be entrapped by my enemies very badly.God saved me of course. Year 2008-2009 : Got 'Best Teacher Award' given by GM,Eastern Railway,a Rly Board Qualification: M.A.,B.Ed.,B.J, [ all in 1st Div.] Regards Om , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Om ji,> > That was a nice sharing. Thanks.> > It is always good to approach astrology with an open mind. Every single> placement in the chart has a purpose, nothing in vain. We should be able to> read it in the right perspective.> > *In your case why has falsehood of saturn and ketu in 2H come with dignity> and respect? *> > Saturn is in own sign Makar and ketu supports a strong saturn with Jupiter> in 2H from saturn. The result of this saturn is beneficial so falsehood> benefits you and gives you dignity with it. The placement of two heavy> weights on 2/3 houses connect you with speech and writing.> The gains come through the house of Venus which Saturn supports through its> uchch drishti and LL Jupiter blesses with his grace.. These are not only> materialistic gains, but also ample life experiences coming through this> strong 11H.> > Some questions if you may answer:> How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you rather> intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe which> can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of life.> How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be> extra particular about your intake?> Are you a self-disciplinarian?> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > > 2009/11/26 Om ops2122 > >> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> >> > *What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples !*> >> > *The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! !*> >> > Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in dilemmas> > as to which way to proceed.> >> > Going through verses of classicals like> > BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes published by BVB> > etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some direction but> > sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right direction.> >> > So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance from the> > great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right direction.> >> > While going through different charts of a number of persons we astrologers> > have a common experience that some classical verses need to be interpreted & > > incorporated with in the modern times situations.> >> > We all do it too.> >> > I am giving just one example from my own chart.> >> > I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna with> > Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi]> >> > Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.> >> > In my case it is quite true but how ?> >> > In two ways----> >> > 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural> > competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising participants> > artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark.> >> > Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their write-up> > of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise.> >> > You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it.> >> > 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any student> > makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately and not in> > front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to praise the student> > which is actually false.What I actually do is that I highlight my students'> > good points only without disclosing his/her shortcomings because when the> > classes are over the student will have to go home where he/she will not be> > able to make eye-contacts with the parents and it will be a perpetual> > punishment for the student.> >> > I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it become> > public.> >> > In this way ,yes, I am a liar !> >> > Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually lies and> > lies only but with an aesthetic inner.> >> > I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this because I> > firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in everybody's> > future.> >> > But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that worshiping God> > is not only to going temples/holy places but following His wishes.> >> > An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and discussing a> > ton of books.> >> > Sorry .my letter became lengthy.> >> > Regards> >> > Om> >> >> > , Manoj Chandran> > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Om Prakash Ji,> > > Â> >> > > See below my perspective on few of your questions.> > > Â> >> > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it> > beome less malefic?> > > Â> >> > > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is> > comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he has a> > Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your head> > and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket.> > > Â> > >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a house> > owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of these suffer with> > his debilitation.> > > Â> >> > > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a> > Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such a> > lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here you> > gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then he is less> > able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he is located,> > HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer.> > > Â> >> > > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made on a> > chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors.> > > Â> > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> > results becuse it is vargottam ?> > > Â> >> > > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have their> > Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned planets> > re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and conditioned> > planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a condition (weak> > condition). It does not tell us any thing about position, which is also> > critical. Some permutations are possible:> > > Â> >> > > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Trikkisthana,> > Very tough.> > > b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in Kendras/Trines,> > Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships) and 2nd half of life> > (over 40).> > > Â> >> > > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same line of> > thinking.> > > Â> >> > > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness should> > be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can manifest. This> > applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in Rashi, Exalted in> > Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then Native's> > health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve> > dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer drastically> > and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose his/her Father.> > > Â> > > Â> >> > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly> > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > > Â> >> > > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava> > Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other> > factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in Bhava> > Analysis.> > > Â> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > Om ops2122@> >> > > > > > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM> > > Greetings with some Questions !> > >> > > Â> > > Dear All.> > > Namaskar.> > > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of this> > divine science.> > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be conquered.> > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having the last> > say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed genius & real> > gems.> > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst of> > knowledge.> >> > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always better> > to clarify the things in the beginning.> > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a> > scholar nor an expert of this subject.> > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for> > obvious reasons as mentioned above.> > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; I> > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of astrology> > in order to conclude finally.> > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective.> > > I request all to please enlighten me -------> > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad?> > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the> > 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for the 10th house or bad?> > Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and> > planets too.> > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be> > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has> > nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the> > combustion degree --it is combust?> >> > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does it> > beome less malefic ?> > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,> > shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will> > be the outcome on a plane basis.> > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to> > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in its> > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-> > ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what> > will be the result?> > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house> > actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at> > 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of> > in Leo ?> >> > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to> > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes> > Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus> > powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th> > house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does> > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect?> > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good> > results becuse it is vargottam ?> >> > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is> > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it> > behave as the exalted one?> >> > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect> > that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly> > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person> > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the> > 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char> > dasha system?> > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several> > methods?> >> > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge ocean> > of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper guidance,please> > guide me.> > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page!> >> > > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> > > Regards> > > OmPrakash> > > Â> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Gopalkrishna Ji, Thanks for your kind words for me. I have given my birth detail with few incidents to be posted. This is not for any prediction but simply to give an authentic chart and detail for the help of study,if it is of any help. I am aware of your saint like quality and huge knowledge. You are a very humble person with no pride of your vast knowledge which ,often,people with immense knowledge bear. I feel blessed receiving your affection and love. Thanks to God & to you Sir ! Regards Om , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Om ji, > nice to have you in the group.You are lucky that so many people are > responding to your so many querries/doubts/clarifications or what > ever.When i joined my first post was responded by only one gentleman and > even now people seem to have reservations about me which is natural and > i understand that.So please feel free and share/learn and enjoy.You said > that you are an anchor which means that you make others enjoy which is > good. > Coming to the subject which i enjoy you said that you have sat with ketu > in 2nd.To some extent i share sat in 2nd with you while your sat is in > own H my sat is exalt and vargottama.I did some research sometime back > about sat in 2nd and also jup in 10th.So please share your birth details > in the group or send them to my Email if you dont mind.Remember and dont > ask for predictions in the group since it's only a discussion group. > //Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.// > > Pl dont believe it since it's not true to my knowledge.Even if it is > there are many exceptions for example your sat is in own house which > itself is an exception.I am not used to write/talk so much.So i will > stop. > Love and regards, > gopi. > , " Om " ops2122@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > > > > What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples ! > > > > The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! ! > > > > Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in > > dilemmas as to which way to proceed. > > > > Going through verses of classicals like > > BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes published > by > > BVB etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some > > direction but sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right > > direction. > > > > So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance from > > the great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right > > direction. > > > > While going through different charts of a number of persons we > > astrologers have a common experience that some classical verses need > to > > be interpreted & incorporated with in the modern times situations. > > > > We all do it too. > > > > I am giving just one example from my own chart. > > > > I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna with > > Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi] > > > > Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar. > > > > In my case it is quite true but how ? > > > > In two ways---- > > > > 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural > > competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising participants > > artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark. > > > > Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their > > write-up of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise. > > > > You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it. > > > > 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any > student > > makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately and > > not in front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to praise > > the student which is actually false.What I actually do is that I > > highlight my students' good points only without disclosing his/her > > shortcomings because when the classes are over the student will have > to > > go home where he/she will not be able to make eye-contacts with the > > parents and it will be a perpetual punishment for the student. > > > > I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it > > become public. > > > > In this way ,yes, I am a liar ! > > > > Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually > lies > > and lies only but with an aesthetic inner. > > > > I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this > > because I firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in > > everybody's future. > > > > But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that worshiping > > God is not only to going temples/holy places but following His wishes. > > > > An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and > > discussing a ton of books. > > > > Sorry .my letter became lengthy. > > > > Regards > > > > Om > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Om Prakash Ji, > > >  > > > See below my perspective on few of your questions. > > >  > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does > it > > beome less malefic? > > >  > > > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who is > > comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he > has > > a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in your > > head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket. > > >  > > >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a > > house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of > these > > suffer with his debilitation. > > >  > > > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a > > Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish such > a > > lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So here > > you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak, then > he > > is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where he > is > > located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer. > > >  > > > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be made > on > > a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors. > > >  > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give > > good results becuse it is vargottam ? > > >  > > > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have > > their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and conditioned > > planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and > > conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only a > > condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about > > position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible: > > >  > > > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in > Trikkisthana, > > Very tough. > > > b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in > > Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain (relationships) > > and 2nd half of life (over 40). > > >  > > > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same > line > > of thinking. > > >  > > > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness > > should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can > > manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in > > Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then > Native's > > health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve > > dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer > > drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose > his/her > > Father. > > >  > > >  > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > >  > > > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on Bhava > > Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on other > > factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us in > > Bhava Analysis. > > >  > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Om ops2122@ > > > > > > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM > > > Greetings with some Questions ! > > > > > >  > > > Dear All. > > > Namaskar. > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter. > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of > > this divine science. > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be > > conquered. > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority having > > the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are indeed > > genius & real gems. > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my thirst > of > > knowledge. > > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always > > better to clarify the things in the beginning. > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me time > & > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither a > > scholar nor an expert of this subject. > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat for > > obvious reasons as mentioned above. > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is indecency; > I > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of > > astrology in order to conclude finally. > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > perspective. > > > I request all to please enlighten me ------- > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or > > bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is > > placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for > the > > 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for > > different ascendants and planets too. > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it > be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such > > planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if > > it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or does > it > > beome less malefic ? > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha, > > shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what > > will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves > to > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in > its > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > > into account and what will be the result? > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house > > actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose > any > > planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed in > > Virgo instead of in Leo ? > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is > said > > to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in the > > 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > > does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh > aspect? > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give > > good results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa > > -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > > owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > > aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the > person > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are > in > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ? > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in > Jaimini > > Char dasha system? > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > methods? > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the huge > > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science. > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper > > guidance,please guide me. > > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page! > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance ! > > > Regards > > > OmPrakash > > >  > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Om ji,Thanks for your feedback and sharing your birth details and background information.I am sure members would find it useful. It is nice to know about your varied interests and accomplishments. You may share your experiences as and when you feel the urge to do so. The journey through life may appear to be treacherous and tough. It may be confusing also at times. But there is a higher purpose in life. Sadly, some of us focus on the negative and lose sight of this higher goal towards which we move through our unique experiences. May you understand the language of your higher code, the guiding principle of your inner quest . :-)RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Om ji,yes i noted your birth data and thank you for the same.Love and regards,gopi. , "Om" <ops2122 wrote:>> > Dear Gopalkrishna Ji,> > Thanks for your kind words for me.> > I have given my birth detail with few incidents to be posted.> > This is not for any prediction but simply to give an authentic chart and> detail for the help of study,if it is of any help.> > I am aware of your saint like quality and huge knowledge.> > You are a very humble person with no pride of your vast knowledge which> ,often,people with immense knowledge bear.> > I feel blessed receiving your affection and love.> > Thanks to God & to you Sir !> > Regards> > Om> > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Om ji,> > nice to have you in the group.You are lucky that so many people are> > responding to your so many querries/doubts/clarifications or what> > ever.When i joined my first post was responded by only one gentleman> and> > even now people seem to have reservations about me which is natural> and> > i understand that.So please feel free and share/learn and enjoy.You> said> > that you are an anchor which means that you make others enjoy which is> > good.> > Coming to the subject which i enjoy you said that you have sat with> ketu> > in 2nd.To some extent i share sat in 2nd with you while your sat is in> > own H my sat is exalt and vargottama.I did some research sometime back> > about sat in 2nd and also jup in 10th.So please share your birth> details> > in the group or send them to my Email if you dont mind.Remember and> dont> > ask for predictions in the group since it's only a discussion group.> > //Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.//> >> > Pl dont believe it since it's not true to my knowledge.Even if it is> > there are many exceptions for example your sat is in own house which> > itself is an exception.I am not used to write/talk so much.So i will> > stop.> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "Om" ops2122@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >> > > What a brilliant explanation with the beautiful examples !> > >> > > The uncomfortable rogue......... was just superb ! !> > >> > > Actually these astrological questions rather doubts have put me in> > > dilemmas as to which way to proceed.> > >> > > Going through verses of classicals like> > > BPHS,SV,LP,Phaladeepika,Dr.Raman,Prof.K.N.Rao and researhes> published> > by> > > BVB etc did throw massive and brilliant light,I was getting some> > > direction but sometimes I was not sure whether I am in the right> > > direction.> > >> > > So I dicided to put these questions in the group to get guidance> from> > > the great scholars like you and others in order to fix the right> > > direction.> > >> > > While going through different charts of a number of persons we> > > astrologers have a common experience that some classical verses need> > to> > > be interpreted & incorporated with in the modern times situations.> > >> > > We all do it too.> > >> > > I am giving just one example from my own chart.> > >> > > I have Saturn & Ketu in my 2nd house in Makar Rashi [Dhanu lagna> with> > > Jupiter in 3rd house in Kumbha Rashi]> > >> > > Placement of malefics in the 2nd house makes a person liar.> > >> > > In my case it is quite true but how ?> > >> > > In two ways----> > >> > > 1] I perform as an Anchor in many live musical,dance,debate,cultural> > > competitions.There I have to tell a lot of lies praising> participants> > > artificially even when their performances were not up to the mark.> > >> > > Sometimes organisers tell/instruct me that please read out their> > > write-up of the Chief Guests/Presidents/Others with praise.> > >> > > You may say it as out of courtsey or protocol or my nature I do it.> > >> > > 2] I am a teacher by profession of Hindi Literature.Whenever any> > student> > > makes any mistake I often try to tell or charge him/her privately> and> > > not in front of everybody.When I call his/her guardian I use to> praise> > > the student which is actually false.What I actually do is that I> > > highlight my students' good points only without disclosing his/her> > > shortcomings because when the classes are over the student will have> > to> > > go home where he/she will not be able to make eye-contacts with the> > > parents and it will be a perpetual punishment for the student.> > >> > > I try to cover up my students pride and prestige and do not let it> > > become public.> > >> > > In this way ,yes, I am a liar !> > >> > > Besides these the stories I write are all fictions so actually> > lies> > > and lies only but with an aesthetic inner.> > >> > > I know in this way I am telling a lie but I have been doing this> > > because I firmly believe that there is a possibility of goodness in> > > everybody's future.> > >> > > But in my real life I seldom tell a lie because I feel that> worshiping> > > God is not only to going temples/holy places but following His> wishes.> > >> > > An inch of proceeding on His path is greater than reading and> > > discussing a ton of books.> > >> > > Sorry .my letter became lengthy.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Om> > >> > >> > > , Manoj Chandran> > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Om Prakash Ji,> > > > Â> > > > See below my perspective on few of your questions.> > > > Â> > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or> does> > it> > > beome less malefic?> > > > Â> > > > An uncomfortable Rogue is going to behave worse than a rogue who> is> > > comfortable. A comfortable Rogue might whisper in your ears that he> > has> > > a Gun and he needs a money. A miserable Rogue will put the Gun in> your> > > head and pull the trigger, and then look for money in your pocket.> > > > Â> > > >  A debilitated Malefic is worse. Moreover, even a Malefic is a> > > house owner and a karaka for some thing valuable, hence all of> > these> > > suffer with his debilitation.> > > > Â> > > > BUT (now things get really tricky) if such a Malefic is also a> > > Trikkisthana Lord (6L, 8L, 12L) then it might be tempting to wish> such> > a> > > lord was weak. (I think one of your other questions was this). So> here> > > you gain some and you lose some. If a Trikkisthana Lord is weak,> then> > he> > > is less able to bring his destructive potential to the house where> he> > is> > > located, HOWEVER, his house lordship and karaka values suffer.> > > > Â> > > > So you can see how this judgement is very tricky and has to be> made> > on> > > a chart-by-chart basis, considering all mitigating factors.> > > > Â> > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha> give> > > good results becuse it is vargottam ?> > > > Â> > > > Complex question, many things to consider: Vargottam planets have> > > their Rashi positions re-enforced. So well positioned and> conditioned> > > planets re-enforced, become more benificial. Badly positioned and> > > conditioned planets become even less benifical. Debilitation is only> a> > > condition (weak condition). It does not tell us any thing about> > > position, which is also critical. Some permutations are possible:> > > > Â> > > > a) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in> > Trikkisthana,> > > Very tough.> > > > b) Deb in Rashi in Trikkisthana, Vargottam in Navamsh in> > > Kendras/Trines, Tough but tolerable (more so in domain> (relationships)> > > and 2nd half of life (over 40).> > > > Â> > > > You can see several other permutations can be deduced on the same> > line> > > of thinking.> > > > Â> > > > Neverthless, Neecha Vargottam planets are weak and this weakness> > > should be watched carefully for Transit affliction when this can> > > manifest. This applies to all domains. For example if Sun is deb in> > > Rashi, Exalted in Navamsh, BUT debilitated in Dwadasamsha, then> > Native's> > > health/career/confidence in relationships/opportunites might improve> > > dramatically as he gets older, BUT Father's health could suffer> > > drastically and if the right Dasha/Transit comes, he could lose> > his/her> > > Father.> > > > Â> > > > Â> > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> > > Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > > > Â> > > > I addressed this earlier. Please read Phaladeepikas Chapter on> Bhava> > > Yogas to understand how this can work good AND Bad depending on> other> > > factors. Mantreshwar has defined these Yogas beautifully to help us> in> > > Bhava Analysis.> > > > Â> > > > Â> > > > Regards,> > > >  -Manoj> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > Om ops2122@> > > > > > > > Tue, November 24, 2009 8:39:22 AM> > > > Greetings with some Questions> !> > > >> > > > Â> > > > Dear All.> > > > Namaskar.> > > > I am a new member and posting my first letter.> > > > I greet you all with thanks for spreading the sublime knowledge of> > > this divine science.> > > > I believe that astrology is really an ocean which can not be> > > conquered.> > > > No one should think that he or she is the last authority> having> > > the last say on this subject.Nevertheles s some astrologers are> indeed> > > genius & real gems.> > > > I am attached to some other group also just to quench my> thirst> > of> > > knowledge.> > > > Can I be the member of this group ? I think ,Yes, but it is always> > > better to clarify the things in the beginning.> > > > I have some basic questions related to astrology which haunt me> time> > & > > > again.These may look childish and may be so too because I am neither> a> > > scholar nor an expert of this subject.> > > > I have asked these to few of my friends too but I want to repeat> for> > > obvious reasons as mentioned above.> > > > I am not testing anybody's knowledge--- I can't---this is> indecency;> > I> > > simply want to come across different views of diferent schools of> > > astrology in order to conclude finally.> > > > I am sure the respected members will take it in the right spirit & > > > perspective.> > > > I request all to please enlighten me -------> > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or> > > bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is> > > placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated- --is it good for> > the> > > 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for> > > different ascendants and planets too.> > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it> > be> > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such> > > planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of> Sun,if> > > it is within the combustion degree --it is combust?> > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated, does it become more malefic or> does> > it> > > beome less malefic ?> > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,> > > shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then> what> > > will be the outcome on a plane basis.> > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it> moves> > to> > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava, ie,the same planet is in> > its> > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the> > > chalit-bhava- ----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken> > > into account and what will be the result?> > > > 5] If the ascendant is say Leo of 5degree then the 1st house> > > actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose> > any> > > planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn' t it be considered as placed> in> > > Virgo instead of in Leo ?> > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is> > said> > > to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same> planet> > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest> degree]> > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless?> > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 15 degree ,now if a planet is in> the> > > 4th house at 5 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th> house----then> > > does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh> > aspect?> > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha> give> > > good results becuse it is vargottam ?> > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?> > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?> > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or> viceversa> > > -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house> it> > > owns?Does it behave as the exalted one?> > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will> > > aspect that house in 'Retrograde- Exaltation' or viceversa case too?> > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad?> > > Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ?> > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the> > person> > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are> > in> > > the 7th house then will the person or the partner be more sensuous ?> > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in> > Jaimini> > > Char dasha system?> > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are> several> > > methods?> > > > I am like a child asking nonsense questions sitting before the> huge> > > ocean of astrology and the great scholors of this divine science.> > > > But as a child is always excused and is provided proper> > > guidance,please guide me.> > > > Note : Please provide 'Spelling check' facility on this page!> > > > Looking forward to the kind guidance !> > > > Regards> > > > OmPrakash> > > > Â> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, //Sadly, some of us focus on the negative and lose sight of this higher goal towards which we move through our unique experiences// How True !!! Most times such negatives are absolutely essential to propel us forward. It is like riding a roller coaster, each steep decline is bound to be followed by a steep upward journey. If only we can remember that during the decline ..... Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 9:36:30 AMRe: Re: Greetings with some Questions ! Dear Om ji,Thanks for your feedback and sharing your birth details and background information.I am sure members would find it useful. It is nice to know about your varied interests and accomplishments. You may share your experiences as and when you feel the urge to do so.The journey through life may appear to be treacherous and tough. It may be confusing also at times. But there is a higher purpose in life. Sadly, some of us focus on the negative and lose sight of this higher goal towards which we move through our unique experiences. May you understand the language of your higher code, the guiding principle of your inner quest . :-)RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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