Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Friends, This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible to the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times. " Bhava Chalit " itself is self explanatory where " Bhava " refers to House, while " Chalit " refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and it moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what is going to happen and how one must predict. 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only and one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in Sagittarius. 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in first house. 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other pointers to form a judgement. remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not the zodiac sign where the planet is placed. best wishes, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in Sagi in 2 nd house ? Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ? Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM Dear Friends,This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack ofinstitutions in our country at all locations and lack of personalmasters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible tothe right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times."Bhava Chalit" itself is self explanatory where "Bhava" refers to House,while "Chalit" refers to movement. So when you see a Planet inSagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and itmoves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what isgoing to happen and how one must predict.1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placementof Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only andone must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in Sagittarius.2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in firsthouse.3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from otherpointers to form a judgement.remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and notthe zodiac sign where the planet is placed.best wishes,Bhaskar. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv ji, I will just give an example. Question- Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house in Bhava chalit . What result it will give. Answer- Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd house in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in 2nd house. The equation is , 1, 4 and 2. So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ? Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb results for his studies. Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain much wealth from Land and estate business. Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in mothers company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes. Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right decesion. You will say - yes. Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in picture as the " Dhana Sthana " in operation or activation. Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above results we would have been able to produce, because then the equation would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this equation ? So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part in this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement part changes. best wishes, Bhaskar. , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > Â > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in Sagi in 2 nd house ? > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ? > Â > Thanks & Regards > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM > > > Â > > > > > Dear Friends, > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible to > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times. > > " Bhava Chalit " itself is self explanatory where " Bhava " refers to House, > while " Chalit " refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and it > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what is > going to happen and how one must predict. > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only and > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in Sagittarius. > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in first > house. > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other > pointers to form a judgement. > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, Ok. So this means that we have to notionally consider that Jup. has / affects the quality of 2nd house along with 1 and 4. Let us consider that a planet is debilitated and moves in chalit, then how do we read it. And also if a planet is under aspect of severe malefic in birth chart but moves ahead/away in Bhava Chalit, does it mean that the aspect severity will decrease ? Also, is this traditional astro or a KP dictum ? Sorry to probe further, but better to ask then to build wrong foundation. Chiranjiv Mehta+ 91 9324168001--- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 7:33 PM Dear Chiranjiv ji,I will just give an example.Question-Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house inBhava chalit . What result it will give.Answer-Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd housein Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in2nd house.The equation is , 1, 4 and 2.So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ?Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb resultsfor his studies.Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain muchwealth from Land and estate business.Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in motherscompany in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes.Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a rightdecesion. You will say - yes.Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in pictureas the "Dhana Sthana" in operation or activation.Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the aboveresults we would have been able to produce, because then the equationwould have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in thisequation ?So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part inthis equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placementpart changes.best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta<vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> Â> If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter inSagi in 2 nd house ?> Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things likeaspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ?> Â> Thanks & Regards>>> Chiranjiv Mehta>>> --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM>>> Â>>>>> Dear Friends,>> This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of> institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal> masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessibleto> the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times.>> "Bhava Chalit" itself is self explanatory where "Bhava" refers toHouse,> while "Chalit" refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in> Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, andit> moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly whatis> going to happen and how one must predict.>> 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement> of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius onlyand> one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give inSagittarius.>> 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not infirst> house.>> 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other> pointers to form a judgement.>> remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not> the zodiac sign where the planet is placed.>> best wishes,>> Bhaskar.>>>>>>>>>> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear chiranjivi ji, this is a smart question coming only from the few. The KP fanatics dont consider debilitation and malefic aspects. But I am different though learnt KP from from the best KP Guru in India directly under Guru-Shishya Parampara. Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is debilitated and under malefic aspects. This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully convincable. Yes,this is a KP dictum, but actually the way how ancient Rishi Munis of astrology performed, and so did BV Raman too, which 99.999999% people do not know. To be a good astrologer one must not be a fanatic follower of any one system, but look at the positives of every system and try to evolve all techniques merging them simulatenously in a proper amalgamation, to render a efective prediction as a result. regards/Bhaskar. , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, >  > Ok. So this means that we have to notionally consider that Jup. has / affects the quality of 2nd house along with 1 and 4. > Let us consider that a planet is debilitated and moves in chalit, then how do we read it. > And also if a planet is under aspect of severe malefic in birth chart but moves ahead/away > in Bhava Chalit, does it mean that the aspect severity will decrease ? > Also, is this traditional astro or a KP dictum ? > > Sorry to probe further, but better to ask then to build wrong foundation. > > Chiranjiv Mehta > + 91 9324168001 > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 7:33 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > I will just give an example. > > Question- > > Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house in > Bhava chalit . What result it will give. > > Answer- > > Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd house > in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in > 2nd house. > > The equation is , 1, 4 and 2. > > So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ? > > Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb results > for his studies. > > Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain much > wealth from Land and estate business. > > Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in mothers > company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes. > > Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right > decesion. You will say - yes. > > Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in picture > as the " Dhana Sthana " in operation or activation. > > Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above > results we would have been able to produce, because then the equation > would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this > equation ? > > So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part in > this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement > part changes. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Â > > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in > Sagi in 2 nd house ? > > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like > aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ? > > Â > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of > > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal > > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible > to > > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times. > > > > " Bhava Chalit " itself is self explanatory where " Bhava " refers to > House, > > while " Chalit " refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in > > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and > it > > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what > is > > going to happen and how one must predict. > > > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement > > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only > and > > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in > Sagittarius. > > > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in > first > > house. > > > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other > > pointers to form a judgement. > > > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not > > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskerji,Just few thought on KP theory ://Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is debilitated and under malefic aspects.This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully convincable.//As KP followers will understand more, the in-dept of vedic astrology and its correct uses, more and more new KP HYBRIDS will be born.For example in Ruling planets 'Day lord' is consider, we can consider kala HORA lords instead of day-lords, which is logically correct and it changes on hourly basis.For Bhava charts uses, KP has almost proved that Placidus house division method is best over other methods (like Sripati, equal division, etc). Bhava chart itself is an controversial issues among varies scholars.This is just my thought. Finally all astrologers are trying to evaluate some simple, direct result indicating methods. :)Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear chiranjivi ji,> > this is a smart question coming only from the few.> > The KP fanatics dont consider debilitation and malefic aspects.> > But I am different though learnt KP from from the best KP Guru in India directly under Guru-Shishya Parampara.> > Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is debilitated and under malefic aspects.> > This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully convincable.> > Yes,this is a KP dictum, but actually the way how ancient Rishi Munis of astrology performed, and so did BV Raman too, which 99.999999% people do not know.> > To be a good astrologer one must not be a fanatic follower of any one system, but look at the positives of every system and try to evolve all techniques merging them simulatenously in a proper amalgamation, to render a efective prediction as a result.> > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >  > > Ok. So this means that we have to notionally consider that Jup. has / affects the quality of 2nd house along with 1 and 4.> > Let us consider that a planet is debilitated and moves in chalit, then how do we read it.> > And also if a planet is under aspect of severe malefic in birth chart but moves ahead/away> > in Bhava Chalit, does it mean that the aspect severity will decrease ?> > Also, is this traditional astro or a KP dictum ?> > > > Sorry to probe further, but better to ask then to build wrong foundation.> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > + 91 9324168001> > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 7:33 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > I will just give an example.> > > > Question-> > > > Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house in> > Bhava chalit . What result it will give.> > > > Answer-> > > > Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd house> > in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in> > 2nd house.> > > > The equation is , 1, 4 and 2.> > > > So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ?> > > > Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb results> > for his studies.> > > > Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain much> > wealth from Land and estate business.> > > > Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in mothers> > company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes.> > > > Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right> > decesion. You will say - yes.> > > > Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in picture> > as the "Dhana Sthana" in operation or activation.> > > > Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above> > results we would have been able to produce, because then the equation> > would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this> > equation ?> > > > So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part in> > this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement> > part changes.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > Â> > > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in> > Sagi in 2 nd house ?> > > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like> > aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ?> > > Â> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of> > > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal> > > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible> > to> > > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times.> > >> > > "Bhava Chalit" itself is self explanatory where "Bhava" refers to> > House,> > > while "Chalit" refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in> > > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and> > it> > > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what> > is> > > going to happen and how one must predict.> > >> > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement> > > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only> > and> > > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in> > Sagittarius.> > >> > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in> > first> > > house.> > >> > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other> > > pointers to form a judgement.> > >> > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not> > > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed.> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. com/> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, For the true seeker the journey of astrology never ends and he never feels satisfied completely with his learning, for is very well aware that there is always to learn more in astrology.There is no end. In KP too many people jump over to KP directly and have a great push back fall in return. They should be well versed in traditional before jumping to KP. For instance in your case it is a very good movement towards KP, because you already have good knowledge of Traditional, and the best part is that you are willing to learn further with no bias. Such people will always succed in exploring further.therefore your mind as well as mines would always work towards using traditional knowledge and also manifesting it in KP, which was actually there previously at beginning of KP, but now the new students are just focused on numbers and nothing more.For instance in the previous example taken, what will be the density of Jupiter giving results of 2 and 11 must be checked. A Jupiter with bad influences on it will never give complete results of 2 and 11, whereas an unafflicted Jupiter will give the best results. The traditional as well as KP teaches us about Common, Fixed and dual signs. About fruitful, barren and mute signs. About signs of short ascension and long ascensions. About so many other such matters. But we dont find anyone using these charactersistics these days. Why ? because no one has the time to study these.It needs hours to take a book, read and digest it. But No. We must let the whole world know what little knowledge we have. So the attitudes have changed. Hard work is done no more. Deep study is done no more. If this knowledge is incorporated in ones predictive domains, then there would be nothing better. In Kp also these days this part is missing. How do the astrologers(?) of today function ? The easiest esxcape route for many fly by night astrologers is Linda goodman and a basic book where results of planets in signs are given. This is for those who actually do not know astrology and try to gain place amongst astrologers. They also have one more way to get in the leauge and become a part of same. " Buttering " the well known astrologers. So that they always remain on their sides. They dont understand that anyone can see through this false praise and buttering, and indulging in this is not going to make one a beter astrologer. They need to put in hours and hours of study, a open mind and a yearning to learn. If one thinks I have learnt all there is to learn, then his nemesis begins. I am happy that you are able to understand the values of traditional as well as KP. This is what is required. Being broad minded, large hearted and an openness as an eternal student. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskerji, > > Just few thought on KP theory : > > //Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is > debilitated and under malefic aspects. > This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts > since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the > 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully > convincable.// > > As KP followers will understand more, the in-dept of vedic astrology and > its correct uses, more and more new KP HYBRIDS will be born. > > For example in Ruling planets 'Day lord' is consider, we can consider > kala HORA lords instead of day-lords, which is logically correct and it > changes on hourly basis. > > For Bhava charts uses, KP has almost proved that Placidus house division > method is best over other methods (like Sripati, equal division, etc). > Bhava chart itself is an controversial issues among varies scholars. > > This is just my thought. Finally all astrologers are trying to evaluate > some simple, direct result indicating methods. > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear chiranjivi ji, > > > > this is a smart question coming only from the few. > > > > The KP fanatics dont consider debilitation and malefic aspects. > > > > But I am different though learnt KP from from the best KP Guru in > India directly under Guru-Shishya Parampara. > > > > Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is > debilitated and under malefic aspects. > > > > This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts > since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the > 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully > convincable. > > > > Yes,this is a KP dictum, but actually the way how ancient Rishi Munis > of astrology performed, and so did BV Raman too, which 99.999999% people > do not know. > > > > To be a good astrologer one must not be a fanatic follower of any one > system, but look at the positives of every system and try to evolve all > techniques merging them simulatenously in a proper amalgamation, to > render a efective prediction as a result. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , chiranjiv mehta > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > >  > > > Ok. So this means that we have to notionally consider that Jup. has > / affects the quality of 2nd house along with 1 and 4. > > > Let us consider that a planet is debilitated and moves in chalit, > then how do we read it. > > > And also if a planet is under aspect of severe malefic in birth > chart but moves ahead/away > > > in Bhava Chalit, does it mean that the aspect severity will decrease > ? > > > Also, is this traditional astro or a KP dictum ? > > > > > > Sorry to probe further, but better to ask then to build wrong > foundation. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > + 91 9324168001 > > > > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Re: A simple rule of Bhava > Chalit > > > > > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > I will just give an example. > > > > > > Question- > > > > > > Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house > in > > > Bhava chalit . What result it will give. > > > > > > Answer- > > > > > > Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd > house > > > in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed > in > > > 2nd house. > > > > > > The equation is , 1, 4 and 2. > > > > > > So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ? > > > > > > Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb > results > > > for his studies. > > > > > > Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain > much > > > wealth from Land and estate business. > > > > > > Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in > mothers > > > company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes. > > > > > > Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right > > > decesion. You will say - yes. > > > > > > Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in > picture > > > as the " Dhana Sthana " in operation or activation. > > > > > > Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above > > > results we would have been able to produce, because then the > equation > > > would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this > > > equation ? > > > > > > So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part > in > > > this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement > > > part changes. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Â > > > > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter > in > > > Sagi in 2 nd house ? > > > > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things > like > > > aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ? > > > > Â > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of > > > > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal > > > > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be > accessible > > > to > > > > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times. > > > > > > > > " Bhava Chalit " itself is self explanatory where " Bhava " refers to > > > House, > > > > while " Chalit " refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in > > > > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, > and > > > it > > > > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly > what > > > is > > > > going to happen and how one must predict. > > > > > > > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign > placement > > > > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius > only > > > and > > > > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in > > > first > > > > house. > > > > > > > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other > > > > pointers to form a judgement. > > > > > > > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and > not > > > > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way. Regards Suprakash - vijay.goel Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:35 AM Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Dear Bhaskerji,Just few thought on KP theory ://Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is debilitated and under malefic aspects.This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully convincable.//As KP followers will understand more, the in-dept of vedic astrology and its correct uses, more and more new KP HYBRIDS will be born.For example in Ruling planets 'Day lord' is consider, we can consider kala HORA lords instead of day-lords, which is logically correct and it changes on hourly basis.For Bhava charts uses, KP has almost proved that Placidus house division method is best over other methods (like Sripati, equal division, etc). Bhava chart itself is an controversial issues among varies scholars.This is just my thought. Finally all astrologers are trying to evaluate some simple, direct result indicating methods. :)Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear chiranjivi ji,> > this is a smart question coming only from the few.> > The KP fanatics dont consider debilitation and malefic aspects.> > But I am different though learnt KP from from the best KP Guru in India directly under Guru-Shishya Parampara.> > Yes, certainly the positive effects will decrease if the planet is debilitated and under malefic aspects.> > This is what I have been trying to explain to the so called KP Experts since last 2 years, and now they are beginning to understand through the 4 step theory which one gentleman has evolved, though not yet fully convincable.> > Yes,this is a KP dictum, but actually the way how ancient Rishi Munis of astrology performed, and so did BV Raman too, which 99.999999% people do not know.> > To be a good astrologer one must not be a fanatic follower of any one system, but look at the positives of every system and try to evolve all techniques merging them simulatenously in a proper amalgamation, to render a efective prediction as a result.> > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >  > > Ok. So this means that we have to notionally consider that Jup. has / affects the quality of 2nd house along with 1 and 4.> > Let us consider that a planet is debilitated and moves in chalit, then how do we read it.> > And also if a planet is under aspect of severe malefic in birth chart but moves ahead/away> > in Bhava Chalit, does it mean that the aspect severity will decrease ?> > Also, is this traditional astro or a KP dictum ?> > > > Sorry to probe further, but better to ask then to build wrong foundation.> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > + 91 9324168001> > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 7:33 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > I will just give an example.> > > > Question-> > > > Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house in> > Bhava chalit . What result it will give.> > > > Answer-> > > > Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd house> > in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in> > 2nd house.> > > > The equation is , 1, 4 and 2.> > > > So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ?> > > > Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb results> > for his studies.> > > > Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain much> > wealth from Land and estate business.> > > > Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in mothers> > company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes.> > > > Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right> > decesion. You will say - yes.> > > > Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in picture> > as the "Dhana Sthana" in operation or activation.> > > > Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above> > results we would have been able to produce, because then the equation> > would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this> > equation ?> > > > So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part in> > this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement> > part changes.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> > <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > Â> > > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in> > Sagi in 2 nd house ?> > > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like> > aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ?> > > Â> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of> > > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal> > > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible> > to> > > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times.> > >> > > "Bhava Chalit" itself is self explanatory where "Bhava" refers to> > House,> > > while "Chalit" refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in> > > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and> > it> > > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what> > is> > > going to happen and how one must predict.> > >> > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement> > > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only> > and> > > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in> > Sagittarius.> > >> > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in> > first> > > house.> > >> > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other> > > pointers to form a judgement.> > >> > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not> > > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed.> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. com/> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Suprakash ji, Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?. regards/Bhaskar. , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way. > > Regards > > Suprakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet. Regards Suprakash - Bhaskar Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:16 PM Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Dear Suprakash ji,Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?.regards/Bhaskar. , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way.> > Regards> > Suprakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Suprakash ji, // As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.// We have few books on KP written by Shri KSK, the founder of KP. Can you quote the above from even one book giving us the Book Name, Page no.and the exact wordings mentioned by the Master ? This would be a good discovry made by you,and a great help, through which the new students can be quoted and taught about. regards/Bhaskar. , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet. > > Regards > > Suprakash > > - > Bhaskar > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:16 PM > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way. > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, You have given a good and simple explanation. What about Jupiter in Sagittarius, being lord of 12th and 3rd house as per Rasi but in 11th in Bhava Chalit? regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > I will just give an example. > > Question- > > Jupiter placed in Sagittarius in Natal chart. But moves to 2nd house in > Bhava chalit . What result it will give. > > Answer- > > Jupiter remains in Sagittarius sign. So strong. Now moves to 2nd house > in Bhava chalit. Jupiter is Lord of 1st house , 4th house and placed in > 2nd house. > > The equation is , 1, 4 and 2. > > So now what results can one give for above Jupiter ? > > Suppose the native is a student, then Jupiter will give superb results > for his studies. > > Suppose the native is in Real estate business, then he will gain much > wealth from Land and estate business. > > Suppose native wants to know - Will I have happiness of being in mothers > company in Jupiter antardasha ? You will now reply - Yes. > > Suppose native wants to buy Gold and asks you whether its a right > decesion. You will say - yes. > > Why must the positives come ? Because now the 2nd house comes in picture > as the " Dhana Sthana " in operation or activation. > > Suppose you had not checked the bhava Chalit, then none of the above > results we would have been able to produce, because then the equation > would have stood 1,4,1. Where is the gain part or Dhana part in this > equation ? > > So this will manifest in all results. Now there is no Lordship part in > this equation. Lordship remains same for Jupiter. Only the placement > part changes. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. , chiranjiv mehta > <vchiranjiv@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Â > > If i read correctly, this means that one has to consider Jupiter in > Sagi in 2 nd house ? > > Then does this 2nd house lordship factor continue in other things like > aspects, yutis etc. and also interpretation in MD and AD ? > > Â > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > > > Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 6:47 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > This one I have mentioned several times before. But due to lack of > > institutions in our country at all locations and lack of personal > > masters, it is not really necessary that everyone will be accessible > to > > the right knowledge about all aspects of astrology at all times. > > > > " Bhava Chalit " itself is self explanatory where " Bhava " refers to > House, > > while " Chalit " refers to movement. So when you see a Planet in > > Sagittarius Lagna in the natal Chart , say for instance Jupiter, and > it > > moves to the 2nd house in the Bhava Chalit, please note clearly what > is > > going to happen and how one must predict. > > > > 1) Due to the planet going to the 2nd house, the zodiac sign placement > > of Jupiter will not change. Jupiter will remain in Sagittarius only > and > > one must note down the results of what Jupiter will give in > Sagittarius. > > > > 2) Note results of what Jupiter will give in 2nd house and not in > first > > house. > > > > 3) Amalgamate above resukts with other inferences drwan from other > > pointers to form a judgement. > > > > remember again - In Bhava Chalit chart only the Bhava changes and not > > the zodiac sign where the planet is placed. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, You have given a good and simple explanation. What about Jupiter in Sagittarius, being lord of 12th and 3rd house as per Rasi but in 11th in Bhava Chalit? regds Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Dev ji, Good query. 11th house placement will given Labha, at same time 12th house Lordship will give outflows of income. This is a good placement because if one has money to spend, what more does one want in Life . But which house results will come more ? Naturally the house where Jupiter is placed, which is the 11th house. The results of 3rd and 12th would be on a secondary level,please keep in mind. Suppose Native is at start of Jupiter Mahadasha and in process of changing or switching over to a new Career/profession. He needs an astrologers advice. Then the inputs would be - 3rd house and 12th house 3rd house stands for communications both verbal and written ,objects of communications too ( paper, pen, Ink, printing machines, Computers, softwares, cellphones etc.), advertising, reporters, newspaper, Sign boards, Books, Library, Contracts and agreements work, Short journeys, travelling, sales, objects related to short journeys (Cycles, 2 wheelers), Accounts, Astrology, Language experts, Publisher, Instruments producing sound etc. Similiarly one should check what the 12th stands for. Similiarly ceck for Jupiter. Check the academic qualifications of the native. Amalgamate the above results to suit a Career corresponding to the natives qualifications, interests and then guide him to the best choices suitable for him. best wishes/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, Ju is indeed an interesting plan for growth. I have same querry if KP is used. If Ju is in Sagittarius in 12th as per Rasi but in 11th as per Placidious house system. Shall same rule follow? Also in KP, I have noticed some differences in calculating significators and placement as per Placidious. For example, let us take birth data 12th April, 2005, Mumbai, 1:10 AM. Mars is in 2nd house as per Placidious system in the main KP chart but while calculating significators, Mars is considered to be in ASC. Venus is in 4th but signifying 3rd. Why is it so? Here I am talking of significance because of planet being in a House and not because of its star placement significance. Hope I could put the question correctly. Thanks. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > Good query. > > 11th house placement will given Labha, at same time 12th house Lordship > will give outflows of income. This is a good placement because if one > has money to spend, what more does one want in Life . But which house > results will come more ? Naturally the house where Jupiter is placed, > which is the 11th house. The results of 3rd and 12th would be on a > secondary level,please keep in mind. > > Suppose Native is at start of Jupiter Mahadasha and in process of > changing or switching over to a new Career/profession. He needs an > astrologers advice. > > Then the inputs would be - > > 3rd house and 12th house > > 3rd house stands for communications both verbal and written ,objects of > communications too ( paper, pen, Ink, printing machines, Computers, > softwares, cellphones etc.), advertising, reporters, newspaper, Sign > boards, Books, Library, Contracts and agreements work, Short journeys, > travelling, sales, objects related to short journeys (Cycles, 2 > wheelers), Accounts, Astrology, Language experts, Publisher, Instruments > producing sound etc. > > Similiarly one should check what the 12th stands for. > > Similiarly ceck for Jupiter. > > Check the academic qualifications of the native. > > Amalgamate the above results to suit a Career corresponding to the > natives qualifications, interests and then guide him to the best choices > suitable for him. > > best wishes/Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Dev ji, The rule is basic and uniform, and there cannot be any differences. In this chart not only Mars moves to 1st, but Venus moves from 5th house to 2nd. Sun, Mercury and Rahu move from 4th to 3rd. Moon moves from the 6th to 5th. Ketu and Guru move from the 10th to the 9th. You will notice that in the Cuspal Chart the signs Aquarius and Leo are not there. they have been removed. This is known as an Intercepted Chart. I am sure if you just search on the Net you may find some information on what are intercepted signs and their meanings, and what happens to planets who are owners of intercepted signs etc. best wishes, Bhaskar. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > Ju is indeed an interesting plan for growth. I have same querry if KP is used. If Ju is in Sagittarius in 12th as per Rasi but in 11th as per Placidious house system. Shall same rule follow?> > Also in KP, I have noticed some differences in calculating significators and placement as per Placidious. For example, let us take birth data 12th April, 2005, Mumbai, 1:10 AM. Mars is in 2nd house as per Placidious system in the main KP chart but while calculating significators, Mars is considered to be in ASC. Venus is in 4th but signifying 3rd. Why is it so? Here I am talking of significance because of planet being in a House and not because of its star placement significance.> > Hope I could put the question correctly. Thanks.> > regds> Dev> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Good query.> > > > 11th house placement will given Labha, at same time 12th house Lordship> > will give outflows of income. This is a good placement because if one> > has money to spend, what more does one want in Life . But which house> > results will come more ? Naturally the house where Jupiter is placed,> > which is the 11th house. The results of 3rd and 12th would be on a> > secondary level,please keep in mind.> > > > Suppose Native is at start of Jupiter Mahadasha and in process of> > changing or switching over to a new Career/profession. He needs an> > astrologers advice.> > > > Then the inputs would be -> > > > 3rd house and 12th house> > > > 3rd house stands for communications both verbal and written ,objects of> > communications too ( paper, pen, Ink, printing machines, Computers,> > softwares, cellphones etc.), advertising, reporters, newspaper, Sign> > boards, Books, Library, Contracts and agreements work, Short journeys,> > travelling, sales, objects related to short journeys (Cycles, 2> > wheelers), Accounts, Astrology, Language experts, Publisher, Instruments> > producing sound etc.> > > > Similiarly one should check what the 12th stands for.> > > > Similiarly ceck for Jupiter.> > > > Check the academic qualifications of the native.> > > > Amalgamate the above results to suit a Career corresponding to the> > natives qualifications, interests and then guide him to the best choices> > suitable for him.> > > > best wishes/Bhaskar.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji I quote from books by KSK : 1. Horary Astrology(6th Reader) p145-146 Nov1994 edition "In KP.a) if a planet is exalted but in the constellation of a planet in debiliation, the extent to which it can do either good or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the content) like cotton bundle. But a debiliated planet (small packet) in the constellation of a planet in exallation (costly gems) is similar to diamond in a small packet" 2.Predictive Stellar Astrology (3rd Reader) p 290-291 7th edition 1995 "2. The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: a) Only when the lord of the sign doesn't gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vergathamam ............... c) When the occupant is exalted, wheather the owner is in own sign or exalted or vergathamamsa...." Hope it satisfies your query. Regards Suprakash - Bhaskar Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:26 PM Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Dear Suprakash ji,// As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.//We have few books on KP written by Shri KSK, the founder of KP. Can you quote the above from even one book giving us the Book Name, Page no.and the exact wordings mentioned by the Master ? This would be a good discovry made by you,and a great help, through which the new students can be quoted and taught about. regards/Bhaskar. , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > - > Bhaskar > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:16 PM> Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> >> > For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way.> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Suprakash ji, Beautiful. This is what I wanted and requested you for. I do not have these books at my present temporary stay at jaipur but believe that this has been taken from the context of where some ideas about retrogression were written by the esteemed author. The other passage if I am not mistaken contains the answers of some doubts being given, which may contain these sentences. Anyways, this is what I want the KP Practioners to be reminded. You could be doing a great favour to the new KP Students if you take these precise statements and put it on the KP Group /. The response should be positive. I dont write there these days, but if you need to be defended, I will be there. Why this is needed because these days KP fellows are more into predicting results from numbers. thank and best wishes, and also appreciate your hard work in locating these. regards/Bhaskar. , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > I quote from books by KSK : > > 1. Horary Astrology(6th Reader) p145-146 Nov1994 edition > > " In KP.a) if a planet is exalted but in the constellation of a planet in debiliation, the extent to which it can do either good or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the content) like cotton bundle. But a debiliated planet (small packet) in the constellation of a planet in exallation (costly gems) is similar to diamond in a small packet " > > > 2.Predictive Stellar Astrology (3rd Reader) p 290-291 7th edition 1995 > > " 2. The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: > > a) Only when the lord of the sign doesn't gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vergathamam > .............. > c) When the occupant is exalted, wheather the owner is in own sign or exalted or vergathamamsa.... " > > > Hope it satisfies your query. > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > > - > Bhaskar > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:26 PM > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > // As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.// > > We have few books on KP written by Shri KSK, the founder of KP. Can you quote the above from even one book giving us the Book Name, Page no.and the exact wordings mentioned by the Master ? This would be a good discovry made by you,and a great help, through which the new students can be quoted and taught about. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet. > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > - > > Bhaskar > > > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:16 PM > > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji Thanks. You are correct that now days people avoid reading text books painstakingly and go for shotcuts. It is apparent from these statements that method of selection of strong significators by most of the stlawat KP astrologers needs a revision. Regards Suprakash - Bhaskar Friday, November 27, 2009 3:14 PM Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit Dear Suprakash ji,Beautiful. This is what I wanted and requested you for. I do not have these books at my present temporary stay at jaipur but believe that this has been taken from the context of where some ideas about retrogression were written by the esteemed author. The other passage if I am not mistaken contains the answers of some doubts being given, which may contain these sentences. Anyways, this is what I want the KP Practioners to be reminded. You could be doing a great favour to the new KP Students if you take these precise statements and put it on the KP Group /. The response should be positive. I dont write there these days, but if you need to be defended, I will be there. Why this is needed because these days KP fellows are more into predicting results from numbers.thank and best wishes, and also appreciate your hard work in locating these.regards/Bhaskar. , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji> > I quote from books by KSK :> > 1. Horary Astrology(6th Reader) p145-146 Nov1994 edition> > "In KP.a) if a planet is exalted but in the constellation of a planet in debiliation, the extent to which it can do either good or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the content) like cotton bundle. But a debiliated planet (small packet) in the constellation of a planet in exallation (costly gems) is similar to diamond in a small packet"> > > 2.Predictive Stellar Astrology (3rd Reader) p 290-291 7th edition 1995> > "2. The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:> > a) Only when the lord of the sign doesn't gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vergathamam> ..............> c) When the occupant is exalted, wheather the owner is in own sign or exalted or vergathamamsa...."> > > Hope it satisfies your query. > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > > - > Bhaskar > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:26 PM> Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > // As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.//> > We have few books on KP written by Shri KSK, the founder of KP. Can you quote the above from even one book giving us the Book Name, Page no.and the exact wordings mentioned by the Master ? This would be a good discovry made by you,and a great help, through which the new students can be quoted and taught about. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> >> > As per KP theory, planets in star of a debiliated planet is weak while giving results. On the other hand, even a weak plant may be strong while giving results when it is in the star of an exalted planet.> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > - > > Bhaskar > > > > Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:16 PM> > Re: A simple rule of Bhava Chalit> > > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > Can you please explain this what we mean acceoting this in a stellar way while not accepting it in the other way(?)-which one?.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > >> > > For your information, KP theory very much accepts the Exalation and debiliation effect of a planet , but in stellar way.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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