Fwd: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Naisargik Natural dasa.

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kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag wrote:

 

Dear Goel ji & others,

 

On your question about Naisargika dasa

 

ekaM dwe nava viMshatirdhritikritii paj~naashadeShaaM kramaal

chandraarendujashukrajiivadinakrddaivaakariiNaaM samaaH

swe swe puShTphalaanisarggasamaye paktirddshaayaaH

kramaadandyelagnadashaa shubheti yavanaa necchandi kechittathaa..

 

from the date of birth each planet rules for a certain number of years. These

are

moon=1

Mars = 2 (upto  3rd year)

Mercury=9 (upto  12 years)

Venus= 20 (upto 32 years)

Jupiter=18 (upto 50 years)

Sun= 20 (Upto 70 years)

Saturn =50 (Upto 120 years)

 

In their respective dasa they confer their nisargika characteristics.

Some say the lagna dasa comes last and is beneficial. Others do not agree to

this.

 

The above is the literal meaning of the verse.

 

If you look at the mode of writing of the verse, the first sentence consists of

individual years while the second sentence is a continues word starting with

Chandra…

 

This implies two aspects.

a) The periods are continues like dasa periods ( it is implied in the 3rd line

as well).

b) The years mentioned for each planet could be used independently as well.

 

Here “dasa†has two uses. This dasa is called nisarga dasa. The flow of dasa

periods is fixed and anthar dasa could be computed just like vimshottari dasa

but with dasa years as mentioned above.

 

The second is in the computation longevity. Similar to the computation of

Pindayush, amsayush, Nisargaayush also could be computed using the independent

years provided for each planets.

 

There is a school of thought that dasa of strong planets comes first in the

sequence of their strength. It is here that mention of lagna dasa becomes

relevant. But since Mihiracharya has expressed doubt, it seems he is not in

favour of this thought.

    

It is logical to question the need of this dasa when Vimshottari and other

dasa’s are considered superior.

 

The fact is all these dasa’s work at different levels / planes. The word

Nisarga implies that it is “naturalâ€.

 

Which essentially means in their respective periods they confer their natural

qualities / characteristics attributed to each planet.

 

Moon being deha / matri / jala karaka, it period is very gentle, illness , care

of mother etc. Severe affliction to moon can be a cause for early death during

this period. The baby also takes mostly liquid food.

 

The second period of mars, the baby grows much stronger taking a little more

solid foods, nutrition’s and becomes sterner in expressing its needs. Weak or

afflicted mars could be a cause of illness or even death during this period.

 

The next dasa of Mercury being vidhya karaka, the child starts learning in every

way. Here Vidhya does not just refer to text books of school. This is also a

step outside the care of mother. Mercury being yuvaraja, it also enables

playfulness etc. This is also the period when Brahmins are conferred sacred

thread and starts the brahmacharya. At this stage he is called “Dvija†twice

born. Meaning he is born again to learn Vedas and slowly enable / equip himself

to take his life mission forward. In some caste, before this stage the hair on

the head is completely removed. This is to signify the transition & severance of

the individual from the past birth. Hair is called “Kalmashaâ€, the papa /

curse from the previous birth. In order to become pure to learn from the new

world, the hair is removed.

 

The next level is that venus and being kama karaka, the person steps into

puberty and related life ensues. He also engages himself in material aspects of

life †" job, business etc.

 

The jupiter’s period that follows widens the knowledge being jnaana karaka and

being dhana karaka, this period also ensures stability of ones wealth.

 

The period that follows is that of Sun (upto seventy) †" Atma karaka. This is a

time a person starts to search his soul and his family tree grows further.

 

The last part is that of Saturn and being aged person and karaka for Arishta &

vyaya, the period confers illness such as rheumatism, breathing troubles,

forgetfulness, lethargy, paralysis etc  poverty, separation from ones own,

death (yama) etc.

 

If you observe the above, the natural karakatwa of the planets is mentioned.

Which means the dasa works on a base level. One can say that it is the

foundation level.

 

In fact each of the Dasa’s work on different levels. Kaala chakra dasa work on

the ground level, nisarga dasa work on planetary level, Vimshottari works on

nakshtra level and so on.

 

See what saravali has to say about naisargika dasa

saaravali.

svocchasvakaalabalinaH sampuurNabalasya vaa nisargabhavaa

uttamashubhaphaladaasau grahasya nityaM dashaa bhavati..

 

The planets in exaltation, kalabala, Sampoorna bala (Rasmi bal), its dasa shall

confer the effects in full.

 

This points to the fact that Exaltation, Kaala Bal, Rashmi Bal is important in

Nasargika dasa for conferring its full effect.

 

Why individual numbers for each planets: There are many schemes where planets

are attributed numbers. This is also one such scheme. This scheme helps in

identifying the age or period attributed to a planet. This could be used in

prashna also.

 

The age will be equal to the nisarga age of the planet in question or it will be

equal to the navamsa lords nisarga age.

 

It could also be used to find out when an incident took place. The Nisarga varga

multiplied by the navamsa completed could provide this time period.

 

Nisargika age of the planet having navamsa in the implied sign multiplied by its

navamsa number can also indicate the time period of the incident.

 

I shall elaborate on some of the above points at appropriate times.  

 

 Hope this helps you. (I may have missed some points).  A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

 

 

 

 

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vijay.goel <goyalvj

kerala_vedic_astrology

Mon, November 23, 2009 2:54:44 PM

[kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Naisargik Natural dasa.

 

 

Thankyou

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Goel ji,

> Namasthe,

>

> You have struck on gold mine this time. 

>

> I shall explain it by evening. Today is Shashti and we have family pooja

now to perform. All the family members will be gathering. The pooja starts ate

around 11.30 am  shall be free only by 3.30PM.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >

> kerala_vedic_ astrology

> Mon, November 23, 2009 10:10:39 AM

> [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Naisargik Natural dasa.

>

>  

> Respected Suresh Babuji,

>

> Namesthe !

>

> In Brihad Jatak, Chapter 8 verse 9:

>

> Ekam Diyo Nav........ Nechanti Keviittha.

>

> This verse discribed the natural dasa period of Jatak from birth.

> Moon for one year than mars for two years, than mercury for 9 years, than

venus for 20 yrs.......

> Totaling 120 yrs.

>

> If the dasa planet is strong in Upchaya house than it will give positive

results in its dasa.

>

> Please provide us the real uses of this dasa. Does it is only meant for

longetivity? How to apply it ?

>

> Thankyou,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

 

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kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag wrote:

 

Dear Goel,

 

It was a typing mistake Nisarga varga- read as Nisarga age.

 

//When Planets comes out to be sun, venus, saturn , jupiter who age are already

has large value than multiplying it with navamsha number, may not indictate

practical age. //

 

during prashna, many time we come across instances where we have to establish

the time when say a temple was contructed or some incident happened that could

coroborate the present matter under discussuion. This period could be as large

as hundreds of years. So you need methods to compute those large methods.

 

with this method, Saturn gets 50 years and using the multiplication, can give

450 years and using the exaltation, dviswabhava rasis , vargottama  etc -

doubling or trebling can give upto 900 to 1350 years.

Exaltation = X 3,

Vargottama or dwisvabhava rasi (Vrischika, mithuna, meena, dhanu , makara ) =X 2

 

Hope you understand.  

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

vijay.goel <goyalvj

kerala_vedic_astrology

Thu, November 26, 2009 8:47:42 AM

[kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Naisargik Natural dasa.

 

 

 

 

Respected Suresh Babuji,

 

Thankyou for this nice writeup,

 

I missed this post as it didnot appeared in my mail box.

 

//It could also be used to find out when an incident took place. The Nisarga

varga multiplied by the navamsa completed could provide this time period.//

 

What is Nisarga Varga ?

 

//Nisargika age of the planet having navamsa in the implied sign multiplied by

its navamsa number can also indicate the time period of the incident.//

 

When Planets comes out to be sun, venus, saturn , jupiter who age are already

has large value than multiplying it with navamsha number, may not indictate

practical age.

This needs further clarification on the methods and uses.

 

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Goel ji & others,

>  

> On your question about Naisargika dasa

>  

> ekaM dwe nava viMshatirdhritikrit ii paj~naashadeShaaM kramaal

> chandraarendujashuk rajiivadinakrdda ivaakariiNaaM samaaH

> swe swe puShTphalaanisargga samaye paktirddshaayaaH

> kramaadandyelagnada shaa shubheti yavanaa necchandi kechittathaa. .

>  

> from the date of birth each planet rules for a certain number of years. These

are

> moon=1

> Mars = 2 (upto  3rd year)

> Mercury=9 (upto  12 years)

> Venus= 20 (upto 32 years)

> Jupiter=18 (upto 50 years)

> Sun= 20 (Upto 70 years)

> Saturn =50 (Upto 120 years)

>  

> In their respective dasa they confer their nisargika characteristics.

> Some say the lagna dasa comes last and is beneficial. Others do not agree to

this.

>  

> The above is the literal meaning of the verse.

>  

> If you look at the mode of writing of the verse, the first sentence consists

of individual years while the second sentence is a continues word starting with

Chandra…

>  

> This implies two aspects.

> a) The periods are continues like dasa periods ( it is implied in the 3rd line

as well).

> b) The years mentioned for each planet could be used independently as well.

>  

> Here  " dasa� has two uses. This dasa is called nisarga dasa. The

flow of dasa periods is fixed and anthar dasa could be computed just like

vimshottari dasa but with dasa years as mentioned above.

>  

> The second is in the computation longevity. Similar to the computation of

Pindayush, amsayush, Nisargaayush also could be computed using the independent

years provided for each planets.

>  

> There is a school of thought that dasa of strong planets comes first in the

sequence of their strength. It is here that mention of lagna dasa becomes

relevant. But since Mihiracharya has expressed doubt, it seems he is not in

favour of this thought.

>     

> It is logical to question the need of this dasa when Vimshottari and other

dasa’s are considered superior.

>  

> The fact is all these dasa’s work at different levels / planes. The

word Nisarga implies that it is  " natural�.

>  

> Which essentially means in their respective periods they confer their natural

qualities / characteristics attributed to each planet.

>  

> Moon being deha / matri / jala karaka, it period is very gentle, illness ,

care of mother etc. Severe affliction to moon can be a cause for early death

during this period. The baby also takes mostly liquid food.

>  

> The second period of mars, the baby grows much stronger taking a little more

solid foods, nutrition’s and becomes sterner in expressing its needs.

Weak or afflicted mars could be a cause of illness or even death during this

period.

>  

> The next dasa of Mercury being vidhya karaka, the child starts learning in

every way. Here Vidhya does not just refer to text books of school. This is also

a step outside the care of mother. Mercury being yuvaraja, it also enables

playfulness etc. This is also the period when Brahmins are conferred sacred

thread and starts the brahmacharya. At this stage he is called

 " Dvija� twice born. Meaning he is born again to learn Vedas and

slowly enable / equip himself to take his life mission forward. In some caste,

before this stage the hair on the head is completely removed. This is to signify

the transition & severance of the individual from the past birth. Hair is called

 " Kalmasha�, the papa / curse from the previous birth. In order to

become pure to learn from the new world, the hair is removed.

>  

> The next level is that venus and being kama karaka, the person steps into

puberty and related life ensues. He also engages himself in material aspects of

life †" job, business etc.

>  

> The jupiter’s period that follows widens the knowledge being jnaana

karaka and being dhana karaka, this period also ensures stability of ones

wealth.

>  

> The period that follows is that of Sun (upto seventy) †" Atma karaka. This

is a time a person starts to search his soul and his family tree grows further.

>  

> The last part is that of Saturn and being aged person and karaka for Arishta &

vyaya, the period confers illness such as rheumatism, breathing troubles,

forgetfulness, lethargy, paralysis etc  poverty, separation from ones own,

death (yama) etc.

>  

> If you observe the above, the natural karakatwa of the planets is mentioned.

Which means the dasa works on a base level. One can say that it is the

foundation level.

>  

> In fact each of the Dasa’s work on different levels. Kaala chakra dasa

work on the ground level, nisarga dasa work on planetary level, Vimshottari

works on nakshtra level and so on.

>  

> See what saravali has to say about naisargika dasa

> saaravali.

> svocchasvakaalabali naH sampuurNabalasya vaa nisargabhavaa

> uttamashubhaphalada asau grahasya nityaM dashaa bhavati..

>  

> The planets in exaltation, kalabala, Sampoorna bala (Rasmi bal), its dasa

shall confer the effects in full.

>  

> This points to the fact that Exaltation, Kaala Bal, Rashmi Bal is important in

Nasargika dasa for conferring its full effect.

>  

> Why individual numbers for each planets: There are many schemes where planets

are attributed numbers. This is also one such scheme. This scheme helps in

identifying the age or period attributed to a planet. This could be used in

prashna also.

>  

> The age will be equal to the nisarga age of the planet in question or it will

be equal to the navamsa lords nisarga age.

>  

> It could also be used to find out when an incident took place. The Nisarga

varga multiplied by the navamsa completed could provide this time period.

>  

> Nisargika age of the planet having navamsa in the implied sign multiplied by

its navamsa number can also indicate the time period of the incident.

>  

> I shall elaborate on some of the above points at appropriate times.  

>  

>  Hope this helps you. (I may have missed some points).  A.G.Suresh

Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >

> kerala_vedic_ astrology

> Mon, November 23, 2009 2:54:44 PM

> [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Naisargik Natural dasa.

>

>  

> Thankyou

>

> kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel ji,

> > Namasthe,

> >

> > You have struck on gold mine this time. 

> >

> > I shall explain it by evening. Today is Shashti and we have family

pooja now to perform. All the family members will be gathering. The pooja starts

ate around 11.30 am  shall be free only by 3.30PM.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >

> > kerala_vedic_ astrology

> > Mon, November 23, 2009 10:10:39 AM

> > [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Naisargik Natural dasa.

> >

> >  

> > Respected Suresh Babuji,

> >

> > Namesthe !

> >

> > In Brihad Jatak, Chapter 8 verse 9:

> >

> > Ekam Diyo Nav........ Nechanti Keviittha.

> >

> > This verse discribed the natural dasa period of Jatak from birth.

> > Moon for one year than mars for two years, than mercury for 9 years, than

venus for 20 yrs.......

> > Totaling 120 yrs.

> >

> > If the dasa planet is strong in Upchaya house than it will give positive

results in its dasa.

> >

> > Please provide us the real uses of this dasa. Does it is only meant for

longetivity? How to apply it ?

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Regards,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >