Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Well said! Ha..Ha..Beautiful! So do you mean to say that these new born 'gurus are chandalas' or what? (Guru Chandala = Gugu is the chandala) Yap, it could be. It is is they who do all the things you mentioned below, along with the neo 'chandala' sishyas who do not ascribe the due credit to the ancient texts, and do not sincerely try to learn them by themselves. (Guru Chandala = Chandalas created by the guru). In any case the term 'Guru Chandala' term seems to be apt, at certainly it would be those Chandralas who would try to use this term against all sincere knowledge seekers! On the other hand there also people who would prefer to be the 'Chandala' of the Sankara-Chandala conversation, that to act the all knowing Sankara Bhagavatpada (without being him). Once Chandra hari was stating so in this group I remember. Me too would like to be Chandala of this Chandala of the Sankara-Chandala conversation, but never one of the 'Guru Chandala' (Guru, the Chandala) and Guru Chandala (Chandala created by the Guru) - the categories mentioned in the first para. Thanks for sharing your nice thoughts. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > The variation of Guru Chandalas has gone a transformation now. > > In previous days of yore, a Guru Chandala could have been a shishya who > could have had illicit relations with his Gurus wife or family members, > or else a person who killed his Guru or else a person who opposed his > guru etc. > > But now it can also mean the following- > > 1) Learning from a Guru and then spreading that learning in ones own > name. > > 2) Learning from a Guru, but changing the learning and making it ones > own parampara. > > 3) Learning from a Guru and twisting the learnings and making it > utterly commercial with total new names given to the new formulaes to > make it look like coming from some ancient heritage or parampara or > Padhati. > > 4) Learning from texts but never acknowledging the sources. > > 5) Learning from the texts but never remaining respectful towards the > sources of learning, and trying to create a impact and projection as if > discovered newly through much hard work, study and pains. > > 6) Learning from Gurus, Texts- proclaiming oneself as a Guru, and giving > the students Titles of Gurus without going into their academic,spiritual > qualifications but simply on basis of hefty fees received - and made a > Guru. > > 7) These newly Titles received false Gurus going in the world and > spreading falsehood in name of Learning (Astrology or whatever), and > suggesting strange unheard of remedies whih could be too dangerous, to > make look spectacular and impressive. > > 8) Taking money in name of falsehood, parampara, cheating people into > paying huge amounts of money for Yantras, tantras, objects, poojas, > homams and what not, and putting fear in them if request not acceeded or > heeded to. > > Those who do not acknowledge their Gurus from whom they have learnt, and > from which learning respect, name and fame and money is arrived, such > people are from the second category of Guru Chandalas, whereas the first > category people comes above. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 || Jaya Jagannatha || Suppose Guru joins with natural benific ,Chandra ( Moon ) This is called Guru Chandra Yoga . If the same Guru joins with a natural malefic like Rahu, how can we call it . ??? If Guru Joins with saturn , it is Bramah Yoga? Why it is ??? Earlier I wrote to Rajesh that when Jupiter is in Kumbha - in the Philosophical sign, it is like exalation . Why it is ? Jupiter is very happy to teach Vedas Purans when in this philosohfical sign. Interestingly when Jupiter is teacing Vedas and Purans here ( in Kumbha ). Saturn is very very happy. Saturn is the lord of Kumbha . So this saturn goes to the 9th house - house of Dharma - From Kumbha Thula is 9th house . ( This is Bhavat Bhavam. ) Getting Exalated. Exalation means verry verry happy mood. sarasalai_siva , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > The variation of Guru Chandalas has gone a transformation now. > > In previous days of yore, a Guru Chandala could have been a shishya who > could have had illicit relations with his Gurus wife or family members, > or else a person who killed his Guru or else a person who opposed his > guru etc. > > But now it can also mean the following- > > 1) Learning from a Guru and then spreading that learning in ones own > name. > > 2) Learning from a Guru, but changing the learning and making it ones > own parampara. > > 3) Learning from a Guru and twisting the learnings and making it > utterly commercial with total new names given to the new formulaes to > make it look like coming from some ancient heritage or parampara or > Padhati. > > 4) Learning from texts but never acknowledging the sources. > > 5) Learning from the texts but never remaining respectful towards the > sources of learning, and trying to create a impact and projection as if > discovered newly through much hard work, study and pains. > > 6) Learning from Gurus, Texts- proclaiming oneself as a Guru, and giving > the students Titles of Gurus without going into their academic,spiritual > qualifications but simply on basis of hefty fees received - and made a > Guru. > > 7) These newly Titles received false Gurus going in the world and > spreading falsehood in name of Learning (Astrology or whatever), and > suggesting strange unheard of remedies whih could be too dangerous, to > make look spectacular and impressive. > > 8) Taking money in name of falsehood, parampara, cheating people into > paying huge amounts of money for Yantras, tantras, objects, poojas, > homams and what not, and putting fear in them if request not acceeded or > heeded to. > > Those who do not acknowledge their Gurus from whom they have learnt, and > from which learning respect, name and fame and money is arrived, such > people are from the second category of Guru Chandalas, whereas the first > category people comes above. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear sarasalai_siva ji, //> Suppose Guru joins with natural benific ,Chandra ( Moon ) This is called Guru Chandra Yoga . // Yes, it is Guru-Chandar Yoga; or simply put " Ju-Mo " as we write it today. Remember that Chandar or Chandr means " Moon " nothing else! //> If the same Guru joins with a natural malefic like Rahu, how can we call it .. ???// It is simply Guru-Rahu yoga; or simply put, " Ju-Ra " as we write it today. Please don't call it 'Guru-Chandala Yoga' since 'Chandala' is not the synonym of 'Rahu'; it would be simply ignorance think that the words " Guru-Chanda " and Guru-Chandala are similar. 'Chandala' is NOT the name of any graha, but that word simply is a cast name. It has degenerated meanings like 'one who lives by depending on skin and crops of animals', 'one who eats dog meat' etc. It is an old low cast in India and NOT the name of some graha such as Chandra (Moon). Please clear-off the misunderstanding from your mind. //> If Guru Joins with saturn , it is Bramah Yoga? Why it is ???// When Guru Joins Sani (Saturn) it is simply Guru-Sani yoga; or simply put " Ju-Sa " as we write it today. Sani means Saturn, and nothing else. It is the first time I am hearing that Ju-Sa (Guru-Sani) combination is called " Bramah yoga " (did you mean " Brahma yoga?). Any way whether it be " Bramah yoga " or " Brahma yoga " I am yet to here this name in any classic I came across. Can you please give/quote your reference? Please - not any good sishya type Sanjay Rath reference - but from some authentic astrological classic. If " Ju-Sa " combination is really called so by any classic that would be really a new information for me - and I would be thankful to you for providing this info. //> Earlier I wrote to Rajesh that when Jupiter is in Kumbha - in the Philosophical sign, it is like exalation . Why it is ? Jupiter is very happy to teach Vedas Purans when in this philosohfical sign. > Interestingly when Jupiter is teacing Vedas and Purans here ( in Kumbha ). // What is this your are talking about? Philosophical sign? What is the corresponding 'Sanskrit term'? Who told you that Kumbha is philosophical sign? What other signs will you call so? What is your authentic classical reference for calling this sign so? I don't know Jupiter is teaching or sleeping there - Jupiter is not not my uncle, and I don't have that much close friendship and relationship with him. //> So this saturn goes to the 9th house - house of Dharma - From Kumbha Thula is 9th house . ( This is Bhavat Bhavam. ) Getting Exalated.// From Kumbha to Tula is 9th house, but certainly that is that is NOT the concept of Bhavat Bhavam. To speak about Bhavat Bhavam (House from house), first you should speak about Bhava (House), but for that you should have a Lagna (Asc). In the above case what is your Lagna, then what is the house you are considering, and then what is Bhavat-Bhava you are considering - and what is your derivation? When using technical words, please try to be technically correct. Hope this helps. Note: Your mails generally reflect ego coupled with ignorance. And you don not sign the mails with a real name. What is your real name? Or are you simply a fake id? Please be grounded, identify yourself, and speak with understanding. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " sivagnanalingam " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || Jaya Jagannatha || > > > Suppose Guru joins with natural benific ,Chandra ( Moon ) This is called Guru Chandra Yoga . > > If the same Guru joins with a natural malefic like Rahu, how can we call it . ??? > > If Guru Joins with saturn , it is Bramah Yoga? Why it is ??? > > Earlier I wrote to Rajesh that when Jupiter is in Kumbha - in the Philosophical sign, it is like exalation . Why it is ? Jupiter is very happy to teach Vedas Purans when in this philosohfical sign. > > Interestingly when Jupiter is teacing Vedas and Purans here ( in Kumbha ). Saturn is very very happy. Saturn is the lord of Kumbha . > > So this saturn goes to the 9th house - house of Dharma - From Kumbha Thula is 9th house . ( This is Bhavat Bhavam. ) Getting Exalated. > > Exalation means verry verry happy mood. > > sarasalai_siva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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