Mool & Non-Mool Rashis

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Dear Learned Members,

 

It is well understood that Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn rule over two signs i.e Mooltrikona and Non-Mooltrikona Signs.

Can the learned members share their views if -

a.) Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, or

b.) Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or

c.) Non-Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or

d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required

Look forward to valued opinions from all Seniors and Learners. Thank you.

 

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

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Dear Deepak ji,Though i am not a learned but always a learning member this one interests me hence iam giving my opinion.// Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, //NO.//,Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage//generally yes.// d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required//yes.A.When they are lagna lords both become equally powerful unless otherwise they asp only one house..B.When they asp either own or MT house.Which ever they asp will be powerful.Love and regards,gopi. , "deepak" <deepak_rptech wrote:>> > Dear Learned Members,> > > > It is well understood that Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn rule> over two signs i.e Mooltrikona and Non-Mooltrikona Signs.> > Can the learned members share their views if -> > a.) Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, or> Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs,Mooltr> b.) ikona signs should be given more weightage> > c.) Non-Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or> > d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required> > Look forward to valued opinions from all Seniors and Learners. Thank> you.> > > > Best Regards,> > Deepak Sharma>

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Dear Gopi Ji,

Thank you so much for your valuable opinion.

I raised this question as there are different views regarding the weightage to be given to Mool & Non Mool Rashis.

Lets see if other respected members also share their views on this matter.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma--- On Fri, 11/27/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 10:40 PM

Dear Deepak ji,Though i am not a learned but always a learning member this one interests me hence iam giving my opinion.// Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, //NO.//,Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage//generally yes.// d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required//yes.A.When they are lagna lords both become equally powerful unless otherwise they asp only one house..B.When they asp either own or MT house.Which ever they asp will be powerful.Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "deepak" <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Learned Members,> > > > It is well understood that Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn rule> over two signs i.e Mooltrikona and Non-Mooltrikona Signs.> > Can the learned members share

their views if -> > a.) Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, or> Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs,Mooltr> b.) ikona signs should be given more weightage> > c.) Non-Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or> > d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required> > Look forward to valued opinions from all Seniors and Learners. Thank> you.> > > > Best Regards,> > Deepak Sharma>

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Dear Deepak ji,

 

Can You please note down the MT signs of all the planets ?

 

And please tell me honestly if you have noted this down from memory or

from some place.

 

I have a reason for asking you to list down the Mt signs of all the

planets.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear

Bhaskar Ji,

Below is

the list as you suggested -

 

 

 

Planets

 

 

Mooltrikona

Sign

 

 

Non

Mool Sign

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

Aries

 

 

Scorpio

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

Virgo

 

 

Gemini

 

 

 

 

Jupiter

 

 

Sagittarius

 

 

Pisces

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

Libra

 

 

Taurus

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

Aquarius

 

 

Capricorn

 

 

 

 

I remember

these signs and so do most of us. I believe so.

Eagerly waiting

for the reason behind your question :-) and of course, your opinion on the

subject.

Best

Regards,

Deepak

Sharma

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis

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Dear Sharma-ji,

 

I had seen very few charts....

 

But noticed that MD lord behaves in both ways..,

I mean, it would behave like lord of both the houses,

but at different times.

 

In one chart I discussed in AIA (related to Career..how to

determine), Capricorn lagna native was undergoing Mercury

MD. In initial 7-8 years, the person suffered in job..as if Me

was behaving like 6th Lord. After that period, the person left

job and went abroad ..as if Me was behaving like 9th lord.

Incidentally, Me was in pH..virgo

 

In second chart (Quiz-2 posted by Neelam-ji), For Aqua lagna

Me was 5L & 8L. In initial period, the lady bore two kids, consistent

with 5L characteristic of Me. In later period of Me dasha, she

suffered from problem in uterus (Ve posited in 8H virgo).

 

In one of my friends case, Ta lagna, Jup was in 11H. His

business prospered in initial half of Jup dasha. But in later

half, he suffered ..can be related to Jup being 8L. Incidentally

he had Ketu in 8H.

 

I feel that MD lord would behave like that only. But which part

(lord of MT house or other house) will come first..is not known

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of deepak sharmaFriday, November 27, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gopi Ji,

Thank you so much for your valuable opinion.

I raised this question as there are different views regarding the weightage to be given to Mool & Non Mool Rashis.

Lets see if other respected members also share their views on this matter.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma--- On Fri, 11/27/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 10:40 PM

Dear Deepak ji,Though i am not a learned but always a learning member this one interests me hence iam giving my opinion.// Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, //NO.//,Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage//generally yes.// d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required//yes.A.When they are lagna lords both become equally powerful unless otherwise they asp only one house..B.When they asp either own or MT house.Which ever they asp will be powerful.Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "deepak" <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Learned Members,> > > > It is well understood that Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn rule> over two signs i.e Mooltrikona and Non-Mooltrikona Signs.> > Can the learned members share their views if -> > a.) Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, or> Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs,Mooltr> b.) ikona signs should be given more weightage> > c.) Non-Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or> > d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required> > Look forward to valued opinions from all Seniors and Learners. Thank> you.> > > > Best Regards,> > Deepak Sharma>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Dear Chakraborty Ji,

Thank you

so much for giving your valued opinion with a few good examples.

Infact, there are different schools of thought regarding

this matter. A few astrologers believe that MT signs are more important while

considering the lordship of planets and if one is to judge this in

percentage terms, then 70% weight age should be given to MT signs and 30% to

Non MT signs.

 

 

"I

feel that MD lord would behave like that only. But which part

(lord

of MT house or other house) will come first..is not known"

I think

there can not be any fix rule for which part will come first or later. All

depends upon transits, sub period / main period lords along with the planets in

individual charts. These factors may change the trend of expected events considered through lordship. For Example – During

the fifth lord period for an Aries Ascendant (or any other Asc), one might suffer from serious illness / accident / surgery etc.

 

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis"' '" Saturday, November 28, 2009, 11:10 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sharma-ji,

 

I had seen very few charts....

 

But noticed that MD lord behaves in both ways..,

I mean, it would behave like lord of both the houses,

but at different times.

 

In one chart I discussed in AIA (related to Career..how to

determine), Capricorn lagna native was undergoing Mercury

MD. In initial 7-8 years, the person suffered in job..as if Me

was behaving like 6th Lord. After that period, the person left

job and went abroad ..as if Me was behaving like 9th lord.

Incidentally, Me was in pH..virgo

 

In second chart (Quiz-2 posted by Neelam-ji), For Aqua lagna

Me was 5L & 8L. In initial period, the lady bore two kids, consistent

with 5L characteristic of Me. In later period of Me dasha, she

suffered from problem in uterus (Ve posited in 8H virgo).

 

In one of my friends case, Ta lagna, Jup was in 11H. His

business prospered in initial half of Jup dasha. But in later

half, he suffered ..can be related to Jup being 8L. Incidentally

he had Ketu in 8H.

 

I feel that MD lord would behave like that only. But which part

(lord of MT house or other house) will come first..is not known

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharmaFriday, November 27, 2009 11:11 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gopi Ji,

Thank you so much for your valuable opinion.

I raised this question as there are different views regarding the weightage to be given to Mool & Non Mool Rashis.

Lets see if other respected members also share their views on this matter.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma--- On Fri, 11/27/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashisancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, November 27, 2009, 10:40 PM

Dear Deepak ji,Though i am not a learned but always a learning member this one interests me hence iam giving my opinion.// Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, //NO.//,Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage//generally yes.// d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required//yes.A.When they are lagna lords both become equally powerful unless otherwise they asp only one house..B.When they asp either own or MT house.Which ever they asp will be powerful.Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "deepak" <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Learned Members,> > > > It is well understood that Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn rule> over two signs i.e Mooltrikona and Non-Mooltrikona Signs.> > Can the learned members share their views if -> > a.) Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs, or> Equal Weightage should be given to both the signs,Mooltr> b.) ikona signs should be given more weightage> > c.) Non-Mooltrikona signs should be given more weightage, or> > d.) Any special cases where this differentiation is required> > Look forward to valued opinions from all Seniors and Learners. Thank> you.> > > > Best Regards,> > Deepak Sharma>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Dear Deepak ji,

 

Thank You and sorry for asking you to write such a simple thing.

 

I had difficulty in remembering this and one professor he showed us one

method how to remember the Moltrikonas of all the planets. He gave us

students a very simple way how to remember this.

 

Remember both the signs of each planet. The odd sign will be its

Mooltrikona. Except for Mercury if you notice , all planets owning two

signs will have their Mooltrikona in the odd sign which they own.

 

Okay now coming to one application of Mooltrikonas, if a planet is

debilitated in a sign and the dispositor of this sign is placed in its

Mooltrikona sign and is also aspecting this debilitated sign, then the

neech bhanga of the debilitated planet will be of high class. (I dont

know where you will find this rule and whether it exists or not). Can

you give a simple placement in a imaginary chart and illustrate this ?

 

regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Bhaskar Ji,

 

Okay now coming to one application of Mooltrikonas, if a planet is

 

debilitated in a sign and the dispositor of this sign is placed in its

 

Mooltrikona sign and is also aspecting this debilitated sign, then the

 

neech bhanga of the debilitated planet will be of high class. (I dont

 

know where you will find this rule and whether it exists or not). Can

 

you give a simple placement in a imaginary chart and illustrate this ?

Based on your question lets take two practical examples -

Example 1

11 Nov 1974, 20:20, Delhi. (Gemini Asc 9.56 degrees)

1.) Sun is debilitated in 5th house (Libra sign)

2.) Dispositor of Sun - Venus placed in MT sign in the same House

3.) Is there Neechbhanga of High Order? Please comment as per Classics

My opinion - No.

Why - Because the dispositor Venus is weak here. Deeply combust and in old age.

Hence the weak Sun (on account of debilitation) becomes weaker (due to weakness of dispositor)

The native (very well known to me) never faced good results for the Significations ruled by third house and Sun.

Example 2

26 Oct 1976, 7:05 AM, Delhi (Libra Asc 16.08)

1.) Sun is debilitated in I house (Libra Sign)

2.) Dispositor of Sun - Venus placed in Second House

3.) Is there Neechbhanga of High Order? Please comment as per Classics

My Opinion - Strong Venus, the dispositor of Weak Sun (on account of debilitation) provides Strength to it.

Close conjunction of Rahu with Sun has given him Hypertension problem.

(Many such examples can be seen one being provided by Neelam Ji in last

quiz - younger brother who died in early age because of cardiac problem)

The native is Major in Army (very close to me). The Weak Sun based on

the strength of its dispositor Venus gave him this position during

Venus Dasha. Role of Rahu is also helpful however such a close

conjunction with Sun (Government) would definitely bring some problems

in later part of his career.(Though I wish an excellent career for him).

So, Close conjunction of Rahu not only AMPLIFY but also SPOIL the significations of planets close to him.

Regarding Neechbhanga - My view

is that if the dispositor of a debilitated planet is weak even if it is

placed in Trikona, Kendra, with Moon or wherever. This can not provide

good results during its main or sub periods.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 2:32 PM

 

 

Dear Deepak ji,

 

Thank You and sorry for asking you to write such a simple thing.

 

I had difficulty in remembering this and one professor he showed us one

method how to remember the Moltrikonas of all the planets. He gave us

students a very simple way how to remember this.

 

Remember both the signs of each planet. The odd sign will be its

Mooltrikona. Except for Mercury if you notice , all planets owning two

signs will have their Mooltrikona in the odd sign which they own.

 

Okay now coming to one application of Mooltrikonas, if a planet is

debilitated in a sign and the dispositor of this sign is placed in its

Mooltrikona sign and is also aspecting this debilitated sign, then the

neech bhanga of the debilitated planet will be of high class. (I dont

know where you will find this rule and whether it exists or not). Can

you give a simple placement in a imaginary chart and illustrate this ?

 

regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Bhaskar Ji,

I got your point. "We are only talking of the debilitation being removed and the evil causing tendencies brought to defunct (High class)"

By the way, second example is worth reading whenever you find time.

My idea for Neechabhanga is that "State

of Debilitation of a Planet is only one of the factors accountable to

provide results (bad or delay in good results). So other factors like

strength of dispositor, combustion, afflictions, state of infancy or

old age, debilitation in navamsa etc should be given due weightage

which is often ignored while applying the Classical concept of

Neechabhanga."

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:51 PM

 

 

Dear Deepak ji,

As per the rule I gave you, the neechbhanga still manifests, because the Sun will not give evil effects, if not very good.

As per classics the neechbhanga must be there as the neechbhanga takes place in trikona.

The 3rd house results may be weak due to saturn the 8th lord aspecting it.

Again we must remember that we are not talking of any planet in neechBhanga offering benefic results.

We are only talking of the debilitation being removed and the evil

causing tendencies brought to defunct (High class). This means in other

words the detonator has been unplugged from the bomb and it will not

cause evil.

the other example i cannot take due to shortage of time.

You have done a quick work of this. good.

regards/bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > Okay now coming to one application of Mooltrikonas, if a planet is> > > debilitated in a sign and the dispositor of this sign is placed in its> > > Mooltrikona sign and is also aspecting this debilitated sign, then the> > > neech bhanga of the debilitated planet will be of high class. (I dont> > > know where you will find this rule and whether it exists or not). Can> > > you give a simple placement in a imaginary chart and illustrate this ?> > > Based on your question lets take two practical examples -> > Example 1> > 11 Nov 1974, 20:20, Delhi. (Gemini Asc 9.56 degrees)> > 1.) Sun is debilitated in 5th house (Libra

sign)> > 2.) Dispositor of Sun - Venus placed in MT sign in the same House> > 3.) Is there Neechbhanga of High Order? Please comment as per Classics> > My opinion - No.> > Why - Because the dispositor Venus is weak here. Deeply combust and in old age.> > Hence the weak Sun (on account of debilitation) becomes weaker (due to weakness of dispositor)> > The native (very well known to me) never faced good results for the Significations ruled by third house and Sun.> > Example 2> > 26 Oct 1976, 7:05 AM, Delhi (Libra Asc 16.08)> > 1.) Sun is debilitated in I house (Libra Sign)> > 2.) Dispositor of Sun - Venus placed in Second House> > 3.) Is there Neechbhanga of High Order? Please comment as per Classics> > My Opinion - Strong Venus, the dispositor of Weak Sun (on account of debilitation)

provides Strength to it. > > Close conjunction of Rahu with Sun has given him Hypertension problem.> (Many such examples can be seen one being provided by Neelam Ji in last> quiz - younger brother who died in early age because of cardiac problem)> > The native is Major in Army (very close to me). The Weak Sun based on> the strength of its dispositor Venus gave him this position during> Venus Dasha. Role of Rahu is also helpful however such a close> conjunction with Sun (Government) would definitely bring some problems> in later part of his career.(Though I wish an excellent career for him).> > So, Close conjunction of Rahu not only AMPLIFY but also SPOIL the significations of planets close to him.> > Regarding Neechbhanga - My view> is that if the dispositor of a debilitated planet is weak even if it is> placed in Trikona, Kendra, with Moon or

wherever. This can not provide> good results during its main or sub periods.> > > Best Regards,> > Deepak Sharma> > > --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Mool & Non-Mool Rashis> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, November 28, 2009, 2:32 PM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji,> > > > Thank You and sorry for asking you to write such a simple thing.> > > > I had difficulty in remembering this and one professor he showed us one> > method how to remember the Moltrikonas of all the planets. He gave us>

> students a very simple way how to remember this.> > > > Remember both the signs of each planet. The odd sign will be its> > Mooltrikona. Except for Mercury if you notice , all planets owning two> > signs will have their Mooltrikona in the odd sign which they own.> > > > Okay now coming to one application of Mooltrikonas, if a planet is> > debilitated in a sign and the dispositor of this sign is placed in its> > Mooltrikona sign and is also aspecting this debilitated sign, then the> > neech bhanga of the debilitated planet will be of high class. (I dont> > know where you will find this rule and whether it exists or not). Can> > you give a simple placement in a imaginary chart and illustrate this ?> > > > regards/Bhaskar.>