Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: Dear Girish ji, Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti....... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. Love and regards, Sreenadh kerala_vedic_astrology , " Girish " <horamag@> wrote: > > Respected sureshji > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > POB:April 3 1967 > TOB:12:30 pm > POB:Kottayam > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > Thanks and regards > Girish > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: Dear Girish ji, Apart from our own gurus and the kerala tradition, actually individuals like Suresh ji and Me should be thankful to great commentaries like " Hridya patha " (by Kaikulangara Ramavaryar " and Dasadhyayi (by Talakkulattu Govinda Bhattatiri) for Brihat Jataka for such ancient references. Further many texts like Krishneeya (with Chatura Sundari commentary by Vishnu), Saravali, Jatakadesa marga, Prasnamarga, Phaladeepika, Madhaveeya, Muhurta Padavi etc are texts that are extensively used and considered authentic in Keratla stream of astrology. Coming to text not much referred in kerala, but worth referring to for ancient references I may suggest the following books: Texts like Hora Ratna, Jataka Saradeepa, Brihat Daivajna Ranjana, Yavana Jatakas (by Sphujidhwaja and Meenaraja) etc are also worth referring to for oldest ancient references. The texts by Subrahmanya Sastri's books and Surya Narain rao's (grand father of BV Raman) books etc are also worth referring to. But anyway it is true that any text that we may come across, if provides at least one reference or clue worth applying; or goes totally against our understanding (that again is good, since we will be forced to cross check all available references!) is worth reading. The concepts and statements you may find in many modern day scholar's books - such as BV Raman, Gayatri Devi, KN Rao, Sanjay Rath etc etc - might be much different from this traditional kerala perspective. It is better to learn directly referring to the classics, when confusion arises - then as Vedas puts it " Follow the path shown by the ancient sages, then we don't have to worry that we took the wrong path'. But ofcourse own logic and molding the principles to suit today's situation etc is all just part of intelligent application of ancient principles by any intelligent student. But we should be careful to go only as much as the non-contradicting logic will lead us to (based on practical experience and experimentation as well), and should take extra care NOT TO CONTRADICT the ancient guidances and basic foundation. Love and regards, Sreenadh kerala_vedic_astrology , Girish menon <horamag@> wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji > Thank you for bringing clarity re Kendradipathi dosha. Since i dont know sanskrit i depend a lot on books interepreted by various authors. This subject was wriiten by Gayathri devi in her book which put me in confusion. I am fortunate to learn from you and sureshji who have command on the original astrological text. > Thanks and regards > Girish --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: Dear Girish ji, Here goes the original quotes. ========== 9. KENDRA ADHIPATYA DOSHASTHU BALAVAAN GURU SUKRAYOH, MARAKATVEPI CHA THAYORMAARKA-STAANA SAMSTHITHAHA. Guru (Jupiter), and Sukra (Veenus) are good-natured (Soumya) planets; the harm they do by having Lordship of kendrams – 4th , 7th, 10th houses is very strong. If those planets have lordships of kendrams and are positioned in maaraka-sthaanams (houses which cause death = 2nd house, & 7th houses), they cause death to the person; the harmful result they give is very strong. 10. BUDHASTHADANU CHANDROPI BHAVETHA THADANUTHADWIDHAH, NARANDHRASATHVADOSTHU SURYA CHANDRA MASOBHAVETH. The harmful effects caused by the lordship of kendrams 4th, 7th, & 10th houses is less in case of Budha (Mercury) when compared to the harm done by Guru = Jupiter and Sukra = Veenus. The harmful effect caused by Chandra (Moon) having lordship of kendrams, is less than the harm done by Budha (Mercury); There is no harmful effect for Ravi = Sun and Chandra = Moon, by having =lordship of 8th house. (Internet source: http://www.jyothishi.com/articles.htm) ========== Love and regards, Sreenadh kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Girish ji, > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti....... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " Girish " <horamag@> wrote: > > > > Respected sureshji > > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > > POB:April 3 1967 > > TOB:12:30 pm > > POB:Kottayam > > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > > Thanks and regards > > Girish > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear friend, Jataka Chandrika consisting the basic assessment of Raja Yoga such as kendra-trikona/ upachaya concepts. ( it does not covers Neecha Bhanga Ranja Yoga, Viparita Raja Yoga, Raja Yoga out of debilition of upachaya lords etc. etc.) Maraka concepts, rudimentary concept of match making (in actuality in covers only 9 to 10% of the whole gamut of match making concepts). The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Deshamarga etc. The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts of marriage match making has created more problem for us than solutions. So in my humble opinion and experience Jataka Chandrika should not be given more weightage... other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Girish ji, > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti....... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " Girish " <horamag@> wrote: > > > > Respected sureshji > > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > > POB:April 3 1967 > > TOB:12:30 pm > > POB:Kottayam > > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > > Thanks and regards > > Girish > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Sreenadh Jee, My references are with regard to Ms K. N. Swaraswathy's Jee's English version of the Jataka Chandrika. ---- Most of the Modern Match making software as well as astrological books for 36 Guna match making for marriage.... are based upon 'Jataka Chandrika'. ---- I am no way competent to tell whether there is any interpolation by the translators or other astrologers in the orignal Jataka Chandrika. ---- By the way the concept of Kendradhipatya for benefic....making them unfit for Raja Yoga WITHOUT ASSOCIATION WITH A TRINE OR ITS LORD dates back to BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASHTRA. So Venkatesha was a good teacher and exponet of Jyotish who wrote Jataka Chandrika lucidly elaborating the basic concepts of BPHS. --- Our purpose should be understanding the various practical import of Kendradhipatya Dosha, rather than trying to discover.... whether Jataka Chandrika or BPHS is the first source of 'Kendradhipatya Dosha' --- Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy ji, > The first point to be clarified is that - > * Jataka Chandrika DO NOT deal with marriage matching at all. Ofcourse it is true that some published versions of this texts include marriage matching as part of a Parisishta (extra) chapter. That does not make those irrelevant addons part of the very authentic and interesting text on Vimsottari dasa system application - i.e. Jataka Chandrika. It is due to the very authentic and logical nature of this text that it came to be known as " Laghu Parasari " as well; the same goes true for its another name " Udu Daya Pradeepa " (The text which makes the Nakshatra based Vimsottari dasa system SHINE!). > //> The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. > are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Deshamarga etc.// > We should give due credit to the original scholar who proposes various concepts. It is Venkateswara Deekshitar in Jataka Chandrika (9th century AD) who proposed the Kendradhipatya Dosha concept first - so the credit for the same goes to him for sure. The other concepts mentioned by you are NOT part of Jataka Chandrika and NOT mentioned in Jataka Chandrika as well. > //> The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts of marriage match making has created more problem for us than solutions.// > You are blaming the ancient text Jataka Chandrika for something that is NOT AT ALL part of that ancient text! May be some misunderstanding caused this. > //> So in my humble opinion and experience Jataka Chandrika should not be given more weightage...other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners.// > Due credit should be given to texts that deserve it. And certainly Jataka Chandrika is a text that really deserve to be reputed. It is an excellent, authentic, useful, logical and informative text for sure; and helps us much in understanding the application and result derivation principles to be used in of Vimsottari dasa system. (There are even astrologers who uses ONLY Jataka Chandrika for prediction!). Certainly it is NOT a book for beginners; it is an ADVANCED text on rules and principles to be used in the application of Vimsottari dasa system. But an excellent commentary is required to bring in the full beauty of this text, which I don't think is still available in Hindi. In Kerala (in malayalam language) we are lucky to have an extensive and informative commentary on this authentic and rare resource from a well known scholar " Puliyoor Purushottaman Nambootiri " . Both the text and the excellent commentary is really worth reading. > Now coming to the other texts you mentioned - > * Sarvartha Chintamani: A 15th century text written by Sri Venkateswara Daivajna, the father of Vaidyanadha deekshitar the author of Jataka Parijata. This text is a rare beauty and is worth studying. > * Jataka Parijata: A 15th century text written by Sri Vaidyanadha deekshitar. It is mostly an elaboration of the concepts not dealt within Brihat Jataka and Saravali. The texts is worth referring to but picking up not so popular concepts from this texts and giving them extra importance (and not giving enough importance to truly important core concepts) can lead us to wrong directions (as the SJC story goes). > * Jataka Deshamarga: Please spell the name of this book correctly. The name of this book is " Jataka Adesa Marga " (meaning, 'the path to speak on natal horoscope'). This is an excellent book of kerala origin, that tries to bring the gaps by dealing with and putting in extra information on subjects dealt within Brihat Jataka and Prasna marga. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Jataka Chandrika > > > > consisting the basic assessment of Raja Yoga such as > > > > kendra-trikona/ upachaya concepts. > > > > ( it does not covers Neecha Bhanga Ranja Yoga, Viparita Raja Yoga, Raja Yoga out of debilition of upachaya lords etc. etc.) > > > > Maraka concepts, > > > > rudimentary concept of match making (in actuality in covers only 9 to 10% of the whole gamut of match making concepts). > > > > > > The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and > > > > Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. > > > > are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani, > > > > Jataka Deshamarga etc. > > > > The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts > > of marriage match making has > > > > created more problem for us than solutions. > > > > So in my humble opinion and experience > > Jataka Chandrika should not be given > > > > more weightage... > > > > other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > > > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti....... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > > > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > > > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear SreenadhjiIn the book Jataka Chandrika6. NADISANTHI SUBHAM SROONAAM SAUMYAAHA KENDRA ADHIPAAYADI, KROORASCHEADASUBHAM THVE THA, PRABALAA UTHAROTHARAM, Even if a planet is beneficial (good) and is good-natured (soumya), it gives bad (harmful) results if that planet has lordship of Kendra—raasis, namely 4th, 7th, and 10th houses. Even if a planet is papa-graha (cruel), it gives good (beneficial) results if that planet has lordship of kendra—raasis.Here also i should consider bad results pertaining to death only.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Mon, 11/30/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesog Fwd: Re: Kendradhipathi dosha Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 1:49 AM kerala_vedic_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote: Dear Girish ji, Here goes the original quotes. ========== 9. KENDRA ADHIPATYA DOSHASTHU BALAVAAN GURU SUKRAYOH, MARAKATVEPI CHA THAYORMAARKA- STAANA SAMSTHITHAHA. Guru (Jupiter), and Sukra (Veenus) are good-natured (Soumya) planets; the harm they do by having Lordship of kendrams – 4th , 7th, 10th houses is very strong. If those planets have lordships of kendrams and are positioned in maaraka-sthaanams (houses which cause death = 2nd house, & 7th houses), they cause death to the person; the harmful result they give is very strong. 10. BUDHASTHADANU CHANDROPI BHAVETHA THADANUTHADWIDHAH, NARANDHRASATHVADOST HU SURYA CHANDRA MASOBHAVETH. The harmful effects caused by the lordship of kendrams 4th, 7th, & 10th houses is less in case of Budha (Mercury) when compared to the harm done by Guru = Jupiter and Sukra = Veenus. The harmful effect caused by Chandra (Moon) having lordship of kendrams, is less than the harm done by Budha (Mercury); There is no harmful effect for Ravi = Sun and Chandra = Moon, by having =lordship of 8th house. (Internet source: http://www.jyothish i.com/articles. htm) ========== Love and regards, Sreenadh kerala_vedic_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Girish ji, > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > Jataka Chandrika states - "Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti.... ... bhavettadanu tadvidha" etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology, "Girish" <horamag@> wrote: > > > > Respected sureshji > > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > > POB:April 3 1967 > > TOB:12:30 pm > > POB:Kottayam > > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > > Thanks and regards > > Girish > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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