Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, //Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one previous to it.// This is not the correct way of expressing it. Expenditure refers to monetary expense. It should be understood as ‘every house negates the effects of the house next to it”. For example 6th house negates the effects of 7th house because 6th is 12th to 7th. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of Bhaskar Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:34 AM Subject: Re: vyaya? Dear Kulbir ji, It must be " Shastric Jyotish " . I am a practitioner of the Traditional , as well as the KP system. Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one previous to it. For instance the 3rd house will be expenditure to the 4th. For education the 3rd house will not allow the student to study. For living peacefully in ones home, the 3rd house will not allow and will make the person shift from his house. For a women to deliver the 3rd house is necessary. For loss of happiness through mother , the 3rd must be active. It is a maraka house for father. But this factor- expenditure will be there for each house of the horoscope. Only the significations will change. Final emancipation will come through the 12th house and the source will come from the 4th. In Lalkitab as you rightly said, the 3rd not only shows outlet of wealth, but also the road to the other world. " Ghar teeja hai pakka mangal dhan-daulat ke jaane ka.... " while the 12th shows the final hour of death. regards/Bhaskar. , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Bhaskar ji; > > In lalkitab terminology SHASHTRI JYOTISH is a term used to refer to other prevalent streams of astrology. > > Actually i meant expenditure, the use of word losses was an error and is regretted. > > I requested your views as to does the system you follow takes into account the relationship of > i) expenditure with 3rd house. > 11) Final Emancipation with 12th house. > > regards > Kulbir. > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment. > > > > I do not know who is Shastri jyotish. > > > > I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of > > expenditures one will go for. > > > > The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if > > anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some > > future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory construction, > > or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is > > certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future. > > > > Losses should actually occur from the 8th house. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar ji; > > > > > > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure. > > > > > > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement? > > > > > > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being > > associated with materialistic losses; > > > rather than with Final Emancipation? > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear learned friends, > > > > > > > > I would like to know, whether - > > > > > > > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of > > expenditures the native will spend on ? OR > > > > > > > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native > > will spend on ? > > > > > > > > regards/bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release 11/30/09 13:01:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Anita ji, Can you please check again to see if it is Guru mangala yoga? Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of Anita R Monday, November 30, 2009 7:06 PM Re: Re: vyaya? Dear All, Can any one tell me what is Raghu mangala yoga? I recently heard of it but have not been able to contact the person who said that it exists. regards, Anita --- On Mon, 30/11/09, sreesog <sreesog > wrote: sreesog <sreesog > Re: vyaya? Monday, 30 November, 2009, 9:23 AM Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya). Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context? //how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? // Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has got a navamsaka in 12th, the native may spend money for women of bed pleasures. (But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit) . May expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense or loss'. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear list, > > How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? > > Shankar > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release 11/30/09 13:01:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Santosh ji, I am not very well versant in English and terminology like most members here . You m ay consider me as sadak chaap in expressions or mode of expressions. Thanks for enlightening this lapse on my part. I was under the impression that the 12th house is known as the house of expenditure and hence used that word in the context which I thought justified the usage of the term. My thinking may be erratic if you say so. Normally " negate " word I use to explain to clients when they loose a job in this manner - " Your 5th house is active. The 5th house negates the positives of the 6th house of employment, hence you lost the job " . regards/Bhaskar. , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > //Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one > previous to it.// > > > > This is not the correct way of expressing it. Expenditure refers to monetary > expense. It should be understood as 'every house negates the effects of the > house next to it " . For example 6th house negates the effects of 7th house > because 6th is 12th to 7th. > > > > Regards > > > > Santhosh > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:34 AM > > Re: vyaya? Dear Kulbir ji, > > It must be " Shastric Jyotish " . > > I am a practitioner of the Traditional , as well as the KP system. > > Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one > previous to it. For instance the 3rd house will be expenditure to the > 4th. For education the 3rd house will not allow the student to study. > For living peacefully in ones home, the 3rd house will not allow and > will make the person shift from his house. For a women to deliver the > 3rd house is necessary. For loss of happiness through mother , the 3rd > must be active. It is a maraka house for father. > > But this factor- expenditure will be there for each house of the > horoscope. Only the significations will change. > > Final emancipation will come through the 12th house and the source will > come from the 4th. > > In Lalkitab as you rightly said, the 3rd not only shows outlet of > wealth, but also the road to the other world. > > " Ghar teeja hai pakka mangal dhan-daulat ke jaane ka.... " > > while the 12th shows the final hour of death. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > Bhaskar ji; > > > > In lalkitab terminology SHASHTRI JYOTISH is a term used to refer to > other prevalent streams of astrology. > > > > Actually i meant expenditure, the use of word losses was an error and > is regretted. > > > > I requested your views as to does the system you follow takes into > account the relationship of > > i) expenditure with 3rd house. > > 11) Final Emancipation with 12th house. > > > > regards > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment. > > > > > > I do not know who is Shastri jyotish. > > > > > > I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of > > > expenditures one will go for. > > > > > > The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if > > > anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some > > > future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory > construction, > > > or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is > > > certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future. > > > > > > Losses should actually occur from the 8th house. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji; > > > > > > > > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = > expenditure. > > > > > > > > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement? > > > > > > > > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being > > > associated with materialistic losses; > > > > rather than with Final Emancipation? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear learned friends, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know, whether - > > > > > > > > > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of > > > expenditures the native will spend on ? OR > > > > > > > > > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the > native > > > will spend on ? > > > > > > > > > > regards/bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 > 13:01:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, It is true that planets in the 12th house will decide where the expenditure will go ? So malefics mean it will go in wrong things and benefics ..... Aspects are also important.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: vyaya? Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:57 PM Dear Kulbir ji,About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type ofexpenditures one will go for.The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So ifanybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for somefuture gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory construction,or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money iscertainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "kulbir"<kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:>> Bhaskar ji;>> Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure.>> Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?>> Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its beingassociated with materialistic losses;> rather than with Final Emancipation?>> Regards> Kulbir>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Dear learned friends,> >> > I would like to know, whether -> >> > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type ofexpenditures the native will spend on ? OR> >> > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the nativewill spend on ?> >> > regards/bhaskar.> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear all ,      What about 12L in 9th ? what is its significance ? . What if gulik is in 12th Deepak , nitin gutpa wrote:  Dear Sreeram Ji,  How about 12L in 1H => Spending money on self.   Regards,  Nitin. --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Re: vyaya? Monday, 30 November, 2009, 7:13 PM  Respected kursija ji, What about 12L in lagna with L/L?Is it he spends on his own selfish things?or some thing else? regards, gopi. ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sreeram, > I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating. > Love > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram Ji, >  > How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books . >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > > > Sre_eram sreeram64@.. . > ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > >  > > Dear members, > > The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all > know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H. > The simplest method is see where the planet is placed. > 1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or > brothers/sisters. ...etc.. > 2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife > 3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through > donations > 4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas > 5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother > comfortness. ..etc. > > Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are > for good or bad karma can be analyzed > > With regards, > Sreeram_Srinivas > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (26) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Deepak, 12L in 9 has negative implications for Bhagya and Father but positive implication for attitude towards religion. Gulika in 12th implies, unfitting dressing / looks, miserable / sad / helpless words / speech, destroy of savings / wealth. However, you should also see if Jupiter is with Gulika which will negate the ill-effects. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of deepak Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:54 PM Re: Re: vyaya? Dear all , What about 12L in 9th ? what is its significance ? . What if gulik is in 12th Deepak , nitin gutpa wrote: Dear Sreeram Ji, How about 12L in 1H => Spending money on self. Regards, Nitin. --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Re: vyaya? Monday, 30 November, 2009, 7:13 PM Respected kursija ji, What about 12L in lagna with L/L?Is it he spends on his own selfish things?or some thing else? regards, gopi. --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sreeram, > I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating. > Love > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram Ji, > > How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books . > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > > > Sre_eram sreeram64@.. . > ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > > > > Dear members, > > The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all > know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H. > The simplest method is see where the planet is placed. > 1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or > brothers/sisters. ...etc.. > 2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife > 3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through > donations > 4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas > 5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother > comfortness. ..etc. > > Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are > for good or bad karma can be analyzed > > With regards, > Sreeram_Srinivas > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (26) .. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release 12/01/09 02:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Nitin jiSuresh babuji has detaily covered about Gulika in kerala vedic astrology groups.Please check the file section in the topic gulikaregardsGirish--- On Tue, 12/1/09, deepak <deepakt wrote:deepak <deepaktRe: Re: vyaya? Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 12:23 AM Dear all , What about 12L in 9th ? what is its significance ? . What if gulik is in 12th Deepak , nitin gutpa wrote: Dear Sreeram Ji, How about 12L in 1H => Spending money on self. Regards, Nitin. --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? ancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 30 November, 2009, 7:13 PM Respected kursija ji, What about 12L in lagna with L/L?Is it he spends on his own selfish things?or some thing else? regards, gopi. ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sreeram, > I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating. > Love > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram Ji, > > How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books . > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > > > Sre_eram sreeram64@.. . > ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? > > > > Dear members, > > The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all > know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H. > The simplest method is see where the planet is placed. > 1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or > brothers/sisters. ...etc.. > 2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife > 3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through > donations > 4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas > 5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother > comfortness. ..etc. > > Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are > for good or bad karma can be analyzed > > With regards, > Sreeram_Srinivas > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (26) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Santhosh ji, I too thought so. But it isn't. I will try to find out and get back to you.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Santhosh <santhosh wrote: Santhosh <santhoshRE: Re: vyaya? Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 6:08 AM Dear Anita ji, Can you please check again to see if it is Guru mangala yoga? Regards Santhosh ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita RMonday, November 30, 2009 7:06 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya? Dear All, Can any one tell me what is Raghu mangala yoga? I recently heard of it but have not been able to contact the person who said that it exists.regards, Anita--- On Mon, 30/11/09, sreesog <sreesog > wrote: sreesog <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 30 November, 2009, 9:23 AM Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya). :)Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?//how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? //Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has got a navamsaka in 12th, the native may spend money for women of bed pleasures. (But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit) . May expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense or loss'. ;)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear list,> > How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? > > Shankar> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release 11/30/09 13:01:00 The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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