Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy ji, The first point to be clarified is that - * Jataka Chandrika DO NOT deal with marriage matching at all. Ofcourse it is true that some published versions of this texts include marriage matching as part of a Parisishta (extra) chapter. That does not make those irrelevant addons part of the very authentic and interesting text on Vimsottari dasa system application - i.e. Jataka Chandrika. It is due to the very authentic and logical nature of this text that it came to be known as " Laghu Parasari " as well; the same goes true for its another name " Udu Daya Pradeepa " (The text which makes the Nakshatra based Vimsottari dasa system SHINE!). //> The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Deshamarga etc.// We should give due credit to the original scholar who proposes various concepts. It is Venkateswara Deekshitar in Jataka Chandrika (9th century AD) who proposed the Kendradhipatya Dosha concept first - so the credit for the same goes to him for sure. The other concepts mentioned by you are NOT part of Jataka Chandrika and NOT mentioned in Jataka Chandrika as well. //> The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts of marriage match making has created more problem for us than solutions.// You are blaming the ancient text Jataka Chandrika for something that is NOT AT ALL part of that ancient text! May be some misunderstanding caused this. //> So in my humble opinion and experience Jataka Chandrika should not be given more weightage...other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners.// Due credit should be given to texts that deserve it. And certainly Jataka Chandrika is a text that really deserve to be reputed. It is an excellent, authentic, useful, logical and informative text for sure; and helps us much in understanding the application and result derivation principles to be used in of Vimsottari dasa system. (There are even astrologers who uses ONLY Jataka Chandrika for prediction!). Certainly it is NOT a book for beginners; it is an ADVANCED text on rules and principles to be used in the application of Vimsottari dasa system. But an excellent commentary is required to bring in the full beauty of this text, which I don't think is still available in Hindi. In Kerala (in malayalam language) we are lucky to have an extensive and informative commentary on this authentic and rare resource from a well known scholar " Puliyoor Purushottaman Nambootiri " . Both the text and the excellent commentary is really worth reading. Now coming to the other texts you mentioned - * Sarvartha Chintamani: A 15th century text written by Sri Venkateswara Daivajna, the father of Vaidyanadha deekshitar the author of Jataka Parijata. This text is a rare beauty and is worth studying. * Jataka Parijata: A 15th century text written by Sri Vaidyanadha deekshitar. It is mostly an elaboration of the concepts not dealt within Brihat Jataka and Saravali. The texts is worth referring to but picking up not so popular concepts from this texts and giving them extra importance (and not giving enough importance to truly important core concepts) can lead us to wrong directions (as the SJC story goes). * Jataka Deshamarga: Please spell the name of this book correctly. The name of this book is " Jataka Adesa Marga " (meaning, 'the path to speak on natal horoscope'). This is an excellent book of kerala origin, that tries to bring the gaps by dealing with and putting in extra information on subjects dealt within Brihat Jataka and Prasna marga. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > Jataka Chandrika > > consisting the basic assessment of Raja Yoga such as > > kendra-trikona/ upachaya concepts. > > ( it does not covers Neecha Bhanga Ranja Yoga, Viparita Raja Yoga, Raja Yoga out of debilition of upachaya lords etc. etc.) > > Maraka concepts, > > rudimentary concept of match making (in actuality in covers only 9 to 10% of the whole gamut of match making concepts). > > > The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and > > Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. > > are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, > > Sarvartha Chintamani, > > Jataka Deshamarga etc. > > The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts > of marriage match making has > > created more problem for us than solutions. > > So in my humble opinion and experience > Jataka Chandrika should not be given > > more weightage... > > other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti....... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Girish ji, This is the RULE and earlier verses I gave is its APPLICATION. By the sloka bits such as " Prabala Uttarottaram " has got application at other areas as well. For example while discussing the Prasnamarga quote " Hora Kendra Trikonebhya Subhasubha phalam vadel " I have clarified another application of this sloka bit elaborately in this group itself (Check the achieves). Love and regards, Sreendh , Girish menon <horamag wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji > In the book Jataka Chandrika > > 6. NADISANTHI SUBHAM SROONAAM SAUMYAAHA KENDRA ADHIPAAYADI, > > KROORASCHEADASUBHAM THVE THA, PRABALAA UTHAROTHARAM, > > Even > if a planet is beneficial (good) and is good-natured (soumya), it gives > bad (harmful) results if that planet has lordship of Kendra†" raasis, > namely 4th, 7th, and 10th houses. Even if a planet is papa-graha > (cruel), it gives good (beneficial) results if that planet has lordship > of kendra†" raasis. > Here also i should consider bad results pertaining to death only.Thanks and regardsGirish > > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote: > > sreesog <sreesog > Fwd: Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > > Monday, November 30, 2009, 1:49 AM >  > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > Here goes the original quotes. > > ========== > > 9. KENDRA ADHIPATYA DOSHASTHU BALAVAAN GURU SUKRAYOH, > > MARAKATVEPI CHA THAYORMAARKA- STAANA SAMSTHITHAHA. > > > > Guru (Jupiter), and Sukra (Veenus) are good-natured (Soumya) planets; the harm they do by having Lordship of kendrams †" 4th , 7th, 10th houses is very strong. If those planets have lordships of kendrams and are positioned in maaraka-sthaanams (houses which cause death = 2nd house, & 7th houses), they cause death to the person; the harmful result they give is very strong. > > > > 10. BUDHASTHADANU CHANDROPI BHAVETHA THADANUTHADWIDHAH, > > NARANDHRASATHVADOST HU SURYA CHANDRA MASOBHAVETH. > > > > The harmful effects caused by the lordship of kendrams 4th, 7th, & 10th houses is less in case of Budha (Mercury) when compared to the harm done by Guru = Jupiter and Sukra = Veenus. The harmful effect caused by Chandra (Moon) having lordship of kendrams, is less than the harm done by Budha (Mercury); There is no harmful effect for Ravi = Sun and Chandra = Moon, by having =lordship of 8th house. > > (Internet source: http://www.jyothish i.com/articles. htm) > > ========== > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > > > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti.... .... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > > > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > > > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy ji, //By the way the concept of Kendradhipatya for benefic....making them unfit for Raja Yoga WITHOUT ASSOCIATION WITH A TRINE OR ITS LORD dates back to BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASHTRA.// I am no BPHS expert, and therefore is unaware of that quote. Can you please quote the relevant quote? Love and regards, Sreenadh , " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh Jee, > > My references are > > with regard to > > Ms K. N. Swaraswathy's Jee's English version of the Jataka Chandrika. > > ---- > Most of the Modern Match making software as well as astrological books > > for 36 Guna match making for marriage.... > > are based upon 'Jataka Chandrika'. > ---- > I am no way competent to tell > > whether there is any interpolation by the translators > > or other astrologers in the orignal Jataka Chandrika. > ---- > By the way the concept of Kendradhipatya for > > benefic....making them unfit for > > Raja Yoga > > WITHOUT ASSOCIATION WITH A TRINE OR ITS LORD > > dates back to BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASHTRA. > > So Venkatesha was a good teacher and exponet of Jyotish > > who wrote Jataka Chandrika lucidly elaborating the basic > > concepts of BPHS. > --- > > Our purpose should be understanding the various practical import of > > Kendradhipatya Dosha, > > rather than trying to discover.... > > whether Jataka Chandrika or BPHS is the first source of > > 'Kendradhipatya Dosha' > --- > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy ji, > > The first point to be clarified is that - > > * Jataka Chandrika DO NOT deal with marriage matching at all. Ofcourse it is true that some published versions of this texts include marriage matching as part of a Parisishta (extra) chapter. That does not make those irrelevant addons part of the very authentic and interesting text on Vimsottari dasa system application - i.e. Jataka Chandrika. It is due to the very authentic and logical nature of this text that it came to be known as " Laghu Parasari " as well; the same goes true for its another name " Udu Daya Pradeepa " (The text which makes the Nakshatra based Vimsottari dasa system SHINE!). > > //> The thoroughness of the intricate concepts like that of Kendradhipatya Dosha and Khara Navamsa, Drekkana, Khara Tara etc etc. > > are discussed in other texts like Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Deshamarga etc.// > > We should give due credit to the original scholar who proposes various concepts. It is Venkateswara Deekshitar in Jataka Chandrika (9th century AD) who proposed the Kendradhipatya Dosha concept first - so the credit for the same goes to him for sure. The other concepts mentioned by you are NOT part of Jataka Chandrika and NOT mentioned in Jataka Chandrika as well. > > //> The exclusive overdependence of astrologers on the 36 Guna concepts of marriage match making has created more problem for us than solutions.// > > You are blaming the ancient text Jataka Chandrika for something that is NOT AT ALL part of that ancient text! May be some misunderstanding caused this. > > //> So in my humble opinion and experience Jataka Chandrika should not be given more weightage...other than that of a good Jyotish primer for the beginners.// > > Due credit should be given to texts that deserve it. And certainly Jataka Chandrika is a text that really deserve to be reputed. It is an excellent, authentic, useful, logical and informative text for sure; and helps us much in understanding the application and result derivation principles to be used in of Vimsottari dasa system. (There are even astrologers who uses ONLY Jataka Chandrika for prediction!). Certainly it is NOT a book for beginners; it is an ADVANCED text on rules and principles to be used in the application of Vimsottari dasa system. But an excellent commentary is required to bring in the full beauty of this text, which I don't think is still available in Hindi. In Kerala (in malayalam language) we are lucky to have an extensive and informative commentary on this authentic and rare resource from a well known scholar " Puliyoor Purushottaman Nambootiri " . Both the text and the excellent commentary is really worth reading. > > Now coming to the other texts you mentioned - > > * Sarvartha Chintamani: A 15th century text written by Sri Venkateswara Daivajna, the father of Vaidyanadha deekshitar the author of Jataka Parijata. This text is a rare beauty and is worth studying. > > * Jataka Parijata: A 15th century text written by Sri Vaidyanadha deekshitar. It is mostly an elaboration of the concepts not dealt within Brihat Jataka and Saravali. The texts is worth referring to but picking up not so popular concepts from this texts and giving them extra importance (and not giving enough importance to truly important core concepts) can lead us to wrong directions (as the SJC story goes). > > * Jataka Deshamarga: Please spell the name of this book correctly. The name of this book is " Jataka Adesa Marga " (meaning, 'the path to speak on natal horoscope'). This is an excellent book of kerala origin, that tries to bring the gaps by dealing with and putting in extra information on subjects dealt within Brihat Jataka and Prasna marga. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Girish Ji, //Even if a planet is papa-graha (cruel), it gives good (beneficial) results if that planet has lordship of kendra—raasis// Actually, NO! The Author clarifies this by way of an example in Sholka 12: (Sorry I am unable to type out Sanskrit verse but only the translation) "Mars does not give auspicious results simply by owning the 10th house. Being a Kendra lord he becomes neutral. If he becomes a Trikona Lord at the same time, only then he is capable of bestowing auspiciousness" So it is clarified that Malefics owning Kendras can be considered neutral but not benefics, during their Dashas. In later shlokas on Yogas the Author also talks about association with a Kona lord. So for Malefic to show beneficial results they need to associate with or be a Kona Lord. Being Kendra lords, make them neutral at Best. (Atleast that is my understanding as per this translated book by OP Verma). Regards, -Manoj Girish menon <horamag Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 4:41:26 AMRe: Fwd: Re: Kendradhipathi dosha Dear SreenadhjiIn the book Jataka Chandrika 6. NADISANTHI SUBHAM SROONAAM SAUMYAAHA KENDRA ADHIPAAYADI,KROORASCHEADASUBHAM THVE THA, PRABALAA UTHAROTHARAM, Even if a planet is beneficial (good) and is good-natured (soumya), it gives bad (harmful) results if that planet has lordship of Kendra—raasis, namely 4th, 7th, and 10th houses. Even if a planet is papa-graha (cruel), it gives good (beneficial) results if that planet has lordship of kendra—raasis. Here also i should consider bad results pertaining to death only. Thanks and regards Girish--- On Mon, 11/30/09, sreesog <sreesog > wrote: sreesog <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: Re: Kendradhipathi doshaancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 30, 2009, 1:49 AM kerala_vedic_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote:Dear Girish ji, Here goes the original quotes.==========9. KENDRA ADHIPATYA DOSHASTHU BALAVAAN GURU SUKRAYOH,MARAKATVEPI CHA THAYORMAARKA- STAANA SAMSTHITHAHA.Guru (Jupiter), and Sukra (Veenus) are good-natured (Soumya) planets; the harm they do by having Lordship of kendrams – 4th , 7th, 10th houses is very strong. If those planets have lordships of kendrams and are positioned in maaraka-sthaanams (houses which cause death = 2nd house, & 7th houses), they cause death to the person; the harmful result they give is very strong.10. BUDHASTHADANU CHANDROPI BHAVETHA THADANUTHADWIDHAH,NARANDHRASATHVADOST HU SURYA CHANDRA MASOBHAVETH.The harmful effects caused by the lordship of kendrams 4th, 7th, & 10th houses is less in case of Budha (Mercury) when compared to the harm done by Guru = Jupiter and Sukra = Veenus. The harmful effect caused by Chandra (Moon) having lordship of kendrams, is less than the harm done by Budha (Mercury); There is no harmful effect for Ravi = Sun and Chandra = Moon, by having =lordship of 8th house.(Internet source: http://www.jyothish i.com/articles. htm)==========Love and regards,Sreenadhkerala_vedic_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:>> Dear Girish ji, > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > Jataka Chandrika states - "Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti.... ... bhavettadanu tadvidha" etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > kerala_vedic_ astrology@ . com, "Girish" <horamag@> wrote:> >> > Respected sureshji> > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha> > POB:April 3 1967> > TOB:12:30 pm> > POB:Kottayam> > His guru dasha started from approx 2004> > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship.> > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs.> > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement.> > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha.> > Thanks and regards> > Girish> >>--- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Manoj jiThank you for the clarificationSreenadji had given the links for this book and i have just started studying it. just a small clarification Is this applicable only for mars. Because in sloka 12 the author only mentioned mars. Or as the author mentioned the same condition for other malefics also.Thanks and regardsGirish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Girish Ji, No, it is applicable for all Malefics. That is how these classics have been written, in a cryptic way, to avoid repetition. Regards, -Manoj Girish menon <horamag Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 5:58:19 AM Re: Kendradhipathi dosha Dear Manoj jiThank you for the clarificationSreenadji had given the links for this book and i have just started studying it. just a small clarification Is this applicable only for mars. Because in sloka 12 the author only mentioned mars. Or as the author mentioned the same condition for other malefics also.Thanks and regardsGirish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, The quotes you provided seems to have many problems. Sloka 2//> A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects// The first part is ok, clearly describing Kendradhipatya dosha rule (even though without pointing to its application. The next part seems to be an out of context reference to Trines. Why should one refer to trines etc while speaking about 'Kendradhipatya dosha'?!//> Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth// It would be absurd to say that Kendra lords are inauspicious and that only trine lords are auspicious! That goes against the fundamentals. Certainly Laga is a trine as well as kendra - but that is the NOT the reason it being an auspicious house. Ofcourse 5th and 9th has many beneficial significance, but what that has to do with the concept of 'Kendaradhipatya dosha' (applicable in find death inflicting periods)?Sloka //> The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance// Ofcourse Kendradhipatya dosha is more for benefics who owns one or more Kendras, but what is the meaning of that statement "in the order of significance"?!!! Again an incoherent statement.Sloka 14//> Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra// Malefic simply with the lordship of kendras becoming Subh (benefic)?!! No way! If this was possible no malefic would have ever given a malefic result! If they own a trine they are auspicious, and if they own a Kendra they become auspecious; so when is it that they turn malefic/inauspicious - only when they own 6-8-12 or what? If so what was the use of natural malefic concept at all?!! So the point is the whole stuff seems to be an interpolation integrated into current BPHS by someone who never understood this concept and its application correctly. //> As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic. So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna.// The Kendradhipaty concept is NOT for specific lagnas (no where it is mentioned so), it is a general concept. Benefic owning kendra gaining Kendrapathi dosha is a RULE; if placed in maraka stana (2nd and 7th) becoming maraka and inflicting death is the APPLICATION of this rule. Locating possible vimsottari dasa periods that could inflict death is the BENEFIT of this concept. The above quotes DO NOT elaborate the RULE, APPLICATION and BENEFIT of this concept in a focused and systematic manner - clearly revealing that possibly those quotes are interpolations done by someone who does not understood this concept and its application well. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreesog" <sreesog wrote:>> kerala_vedic_astrology , "S.C. Kursija" sckursija@ wrote:> > Dear Suresh Babu ji,> According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow> Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue.> > Shloka 2> Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam> Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha> A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects> > Shloka 3> lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam> Panchamam navamam cha eva visesha dhanam uchyate> Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth> > Shloka 10> kendradhipataydoshayoho shubhanam kathito hi sah> Chandra gya guru shukranam prabalaha cha uttarottaram> > The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance> > Shloka 14> kendrashatvena papanam ya prokta shubhakarita> Sa trikona adhipatye api na kendreshatva matratah> Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra> > As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic.> So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna.> Please guide.> Regards> > --- End forwarded message ---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,/Kursija ji,sorry to intervene.//The Kendradhipaty concept is NOT for specific lagnas (no where it is mentioned so), it is a general concept. Benefic owning kendra gaining Kendrapathi dosha is a RULE; if placed in maraka stana (2nd and 7th) becoming maraka and inflicting death is the APPLICATION of this rule. Locating possible vimsottari dasa periods that could inflict death is the BENEFIT of this concept. //well said Sreenadh ji,but in practice i have found these benefics not just as marakas but also badhakas giving/creating death like situations(not exactly physical).Love and regards,gopi. , "sreesog" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Kursija ji,> The quotes you provided seems to have many problems.> Sloka 2> //> A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic> owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives> auspicious effects//> The first part is ok, clearly describing Kendradhipatya dosha rule> (even though without pointing to its application. The next part seems to> be an out of context reference to Trines. Why should one refer to trines> etc while speaking about 'Kendradhipatya dosha'?!> //> Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of> lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for> wealth//> It would be absurd to say that Kendra lords are inauspicious and that> only trine lords are auspicious! That goes against the fundamentals.> Certainly Laga is a trine as well as kendra - but that is the NOT the> reason it being an auspicious house. Ofcourse 5th and 9th has many> beneficial significance, but what that has to do with the concept of> 'Kendaradhipatya dosha' (applicable in find death inflicting periods)?> Sloka> //> The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury,> Jupiter and venus is the order of significance//> Ofcourse Kendradhipatya dosha is more for benefics who owns one or> more Kendras, but what is the meaning of that statement "in the order of> significance"?!!! Again an incoherent statement.> Sloka 14> //> Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it> simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra//> Malefic simply with the lordship of kendras becoming Subh> (benefic)?!! No way! If this was possible no malefic would have ever> given a malefic result! If they own a trine they are auspicious, and if> they own a Kendra they become auspecious; so when is it that they turn> malefic/inauspicious - only when they own 6-8-12 or what? If so what was> the use of natural malefic concept at all?!!> So the point is the whole stuff seems to be an interpolation> integrated into current BPHS by someone who never understood this> concept and its application correctly.> //> As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and> virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when> they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do> not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under> this dosha, if it is benefic. So all these shloka refers to kendra from> lagna.//> The Kendradhipaty concept is NOT for specific lagnas (no where it is> mentioned so), it is a general concept. Benefic owning kendra gaining> Kendrapathi dosha is a RULE; if placed in maraka stana (2nd and 7th)> becoming maraka and inflicting death is the APPLICATION of this rule.> Locating possible vimsottari dasa periods that could inflict death is> the BENEFIT of this concept. The above quotes DO NOT elaborate the> RULE, APPLICATION and BENEFIT of this concept in a focused and> systematic manner - clearly revealing that possibly those quotes are> interpolations done by someone who does not understood this concept and> its application well.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "sreesog" sreesog@> wrote:> >> > kerala_vedic_astrology , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Suresh Babu ji,> > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is> in kendra from lagna as follow> > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha> yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding> rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex> issue.> >> > Shloka 2> > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam> > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha> > A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic> owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives> auspicious effects> >> > Shloka 3> > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam> > Panchamam navamam cha eva visesha dhanam uchyate> > Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna> is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth> >> > Shloka 10> > kendradhipataydoshayoho shubhanam kathito hi sah> > Chandra gya guru shukranam prabalaha cha uttarottaram> >> > The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury,> Jupiter and venus is the order of significance> >> > Shloka 14> > kendrashatvena papanam ya prokta shubhakarita> > Sa trikona adhipatye api na kendreshatva matratah> > Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it> simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra> >> > As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and> virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when> they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do> not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under> this dosha, if it is benefic.> > So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna.> > Please guide.> > Regards> >> > --- End forwarded message ---> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag wrote: Dear Sck ji, > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue. I am not sure what you trying to do here. You should re-read what is being written and stated. In fact you should go through those verses again rather just quoting them and advising me to understnd them. I have several times stated that factors & conditions should be applied deligently and appropriate places only. This is what is emphasied by Sreenadh also. Instead of trying to understand it, you are simply going back to round one. Nobody here denies that Kendradhipathya dosha does not exist. The question were to apply it, when and how it works?. why speak of Kendradhipathy dosha alone? If start enumerating all kinds of afflictions in a chart , most of the people on this earth shall commit suicide in desperation. In the example chart provide by Girish, Why should the native recover after the Jupiter-jupiter is over, if KP is so bad enough to destroy him materialy? Can you explain it without beeting around the bush? Now it seems you got the meaning totaly wrong when you said position of planet. > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha You got the verse wrong. Parashara was talking about " KandradhipatayaH " meaning the lord of the Kendra will not show good results. Melefics will not show bad results ; if they are owners of trikona also they will be " subadha " " subha phala datha " means yoga karaka. This is not position but ownership of houses. This is the basic condition of KP. The rest relates to the yoga karakatwa & its order of subhatva (amount of good results) it can give. > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam " Visheshena " expecialy " subhapradam " good is Lagna why? it is Kendra as well as trikona kendra rasi are 1 / 4/ 7/ 10th Trikona Rasi are 1 / 5/ 9th So lagna is Kendra & trikona " tvat visheshena subhapradam " . Because lagna is kendra & trikona, Lagna (Lord) is expecialy good. This is the meaning of the verse and what Parashara is trying to teach. Don't twist the meaning of what the great sages have provided to suite your arguments, which I had again & again mentioned. I am surprised instead of trying to understanding the meaning of such a simple verse, you are trying to advice me to go learn. Pls re-learn your sanskrit (I am not sanskrit pundit). The verse 14 refers to malefic planets only. why because they are natural malefics an they become benefics temporariy due to their ownner ship of Kendra rasi. So they need a special mention. Of the malefic planets, Mars & saturn only could own two houses. Mars for aries , it is 1 & 8th lord Taurus, it is 7th & 12th lord Gemini, it is 6th & 11nth lord Karkata, it is 5th & 10th lord (Yoga karaka) Simha, it is 4th & 9th Lord (Yoga Karaka) Kanya, it is 3rd & 8th lord Thula, it is 2nd & 7th lord Vrischika, it is 1st & 6th lord Dhanu, it is 5th & 12th lord Makara, it is 4th & 11nth lord Kumbha, it is 3rd & 10th lord Meena, it is 2nd & 9th lord. You can see that though Mars is kendra lord, it is also lord of other house that have their own malefic qualities except for Karkata & Simha where it is lord od Kendra & Trikona, thus becomming Yoga Karaka. Similarly for saturn also. However, The yoga karakas if not positioned in beneficial houses, or if not with strength, the effects they are supposed to provide will only remain as a dream. The discussion here is not that of Yoga Karaka But of Kendradhipathya dosha, which has been explained. Hope you uderstand properly. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. kerala_vedic_astrology , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> wrote: > > Dear Suresh Babu ji, > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue. > > Shloka 2 > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha > A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects > > Shloka 3 > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam > Panchamam navamam cha eva visesha dhanam uchyate > Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth > > Shloka 10 > kendradhipataydoshayoho shubhanam kathito hi sah > Chandra gya guru shukranam prabalaha cha uttarottaram > > The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance > > Shloka 14 > kendrashatvena papanam ya prokta shubhakarita > Sa trikona adhipatye api na kendreshatva matratah > Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra > > As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic. > So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna. > Please guide. > Regards > > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > kerala_vedic_astrology > Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:45 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Girish, > > The meaning of the first verse is as follows. > > If a planet is positioned in the own rasi / moolatrikona / ucha rasi - in the kendra (of another planet), they become karaka mutually (give each others results in their respective periods). > > In this case, Jupiter in the exaltation sign is in the kendra of Mars (6th lord from lagna). so jupiter also confers the results attributed to mars. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Girish menon <horamag > > kerala_vedic_ astrology > Mon, November 30, 2009 4:57:24 PM > Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > >  > Respected Sureshji > Thank you for the clarification. > I should have posted this question some time back because i have spend some time on this like collecting charts. I had the same problem with pushkar navamsa which you finally clarified. > Sir i have not understood > As per the above Jupiter in exaltation is Karaka for Mars also > Thanks and regards > Girish > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > kerala_vedic_ astrology > Monday, November 30, 2009, 2:49 AM > >  > > Dear Girish, > > The explanation provided by Sreenadh is absolutely correct. The word " Maraka " means one who kills. However, a Maraka planet, need not always kill (cause death or severe physical affliction), it is stand alone or has benefic association / aspect etc. > > It becomes more potent when it is associated with Saturn ( karaka for 6/8/12) houses, Gulika, Planets having Kendradipathya dosha, if its is Mrithyu Bhaga, In Dina Mrithyu(Muhurtha term) and a few other factors as well. > > Further, the transit etc should also concide with the timming. It is like shift of gears in a motor vehicle. The Gear falls into the correct gear when all the small gears fall into the right place. Even if one of them is out of sinch, the gear will not fall correctly. > > Just to clarify the matter further, Saravali provides two simple verses about the dasas that give good & bad results > > saraavali. > > Good results > > svocchasvaraashinij abhaagasuhR^ id{}gR^ihasthaaH saMpuurNaviiryaruch iraa balinaH svakaale > > mitrocchabhaagasahi taaH shubhadR^iShTiyukta aH shreShTaaM dashaaM vidadhati svavayaHsu kheTaaH.. > > a) Planet in Exaltation > > b) Planet in Own sign > > c) Planet in own navamsa > > d) planet in friends house > > E) Planet having full rays > > f) Planets having strength > > g) Planets having kalabhala > > h) Planet in Ucha navamsa > > i) Planet in friends navamsa > > j) planet aspected by benefic planets > > k) planet with benefic planets > > Bad results giving dasa > > viichashatrugR^ ihaM praaptaaH shatrunimnaaMshasuu ryagaaH > > vivarNaa paapasaMbandhaa kuryurashobhanaam. . > > a) Planet in debilation > > b) planet in enemies house > > c) planet in enemies navamsa > > d) planet in debilation navamsa > > f) planet having maudya > > g) planet without rays > > h) planet aspected by malefic > > j) planet planet with malefic planet > > Note: > > The " swavayasu " should be interpreted as own age, indicating the nisarga age given for planet, implying the Nisarga dasa of the planet. > > It should be noted that nowhere its is given that kendradhipathya dosha should be accounted for normal assessment of the dasa other than in situations earlier discussed. > > In addition to this the planets in the Kendra should also be assertained. > > chapter - 6 > > svarkshatrikoNatu~ Ngasthaa yadi kendreShu saMsthitaaH > > anyonyaM kaarakaaste syuH kendreShveva harermatam.. > > tu~NgasuhR^itsvagR^ ihaaMshe sthitaa grahaaH kaarakaaH samaakhyaataaH > > meShuuraNe cha raviriti visheShato vakti chaaNakyaH.. > > lagnasthaaH sukhasaMsthaa dashamasthaashcaapi kaarakaaK sarve > > ekaadashe.api kechid{}vaa~ nChanti ca tanmataM muniindraaNaam. . > > As per the above Jupiter in exaltation is Karaka for Mars also(6th Lord). So it is natural that Jupiter gives financial problems attributed to the 6th lord. > > Hope this clarifies that matter further. > >   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sreesog <sreesog > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology > > Mon, November 30, 2009 1:04:32 PM > > [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > >  > > Dear Girish ji, > > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti.... ... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Girish " <horamag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected sureshji > > > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > > > POB:April 3 1967 > > > TOB:12:30 pm > > > POB:Kottayam > > > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > > > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > > > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > > > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > > > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > > > Thanks and regards > > > Girish > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji. ////> Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra// Malefic simply with the lordship of kendras becoming Subh (benefic)?!! No way! If this was possible no malefic would have ever given a malefic result! If they own a trine they are auspicious, and if they own a Kendra they become auspecious; so when is it that they turn malefic/inauspicious - only when they own 6-8-12 or what? If so what was the use of natural malefic concept at all?!! So the point is the whole stuff seems to be an interpolation integrated into current BPHS by someone who never understood this concept and its application correctly.// With respect to the above quote from kursiaji and your reply to the same, I think what he is saying is that if malefics own both kendras and trine then they become subh. He has used the word ‘simultaneously’. In other words he is referring to the yogakaraka, for example mars for cancer lagna owning Kendra 10 and trine 5. He is mixing the concept of yogakaraka in the thread for Kp dosha. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of sreesog Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: Kendradhipathi dosha Dear Kursija ji, The quotes you provided seems to have many problems. Sloka 2 //> A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects// The first part is ok, clearly describing Kendradhipatya dosha rule (even though without pointing to its application. The next part seems to be an out of context reference to Trines. Why should one refer to trines etc while speaking about 'Kendradhipatya dosha'?! //> Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth// It would be absurd to say that Kendra lords are inauspicious and that only trine lords are auspicious! That goes against the fundamentals. Certainly Laga is a trine as well as kendra - but that is the NOT the reason it being an auspicious house. Ofcourse 5th and 9th has many beneficial significance, but what that has to do with the concept of 'Kendaradhipatya dosha' (applicable in find death inflicting periods)? Sloka //> The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance// Ofcourse Kendradhipatya dosha is more for benefics who owns one or more Kendras, but what is the meaning of that statement " in the order of significance " ?!!! Again an incoherent statement. Sloka 14 //> Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra// Malefic simply with the lordship of kendras becoming Subh (benefic)?!! No way! If this was possible no malefic would have ever given a malefic result! If they own a trine they are auspicious, and if they own a Kendra they become auspecious; so when is it that they turn malefic/inauspicious - only when they own 6-8-12 or what? If so what was the use of natural malefic concept at all?!! So the point is the whole stuff seems to be an interpolation integrated into current BPHS by someone who never understood this concept and its application correctly. //> As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic. So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna.// The Kendradhipaty concept is NOT for specific lagnas (no where it is mentioned so), it is a general concept. Benefic owning kendra gaining Kendrapathi dosha is a RULE; if placed in maraka stana (2nd and 7th) becoming maraka and inflicting death is the APPLICATION of this rule. Locating possible vimsottari dasa periods that could inflict death is the BENEFIT of this concept. The above quotes DO NOT elaborate the RULE, APPLICATION and BENEFIT of this concept in a focused and systematic manner - clearly revealing that possibly those quotes are interpolations done by someone who does not understood this concept and its application well. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " S.C. Kursija " sckursija@ wrote: > > Dear Suresh Babu ji, > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue. > > Shloka 2 > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha > A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects > > Shloka 3 > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam > Panchamam navamam cha eva visesha dhanam uchyate > Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth > > Shloka 10 > kendradhipataydoshayoho shubhanam kathito hi sah > Chandra gya guru shukranam prabalaha cha uttarottaram > > The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance > > Shloka 14 > kendrashatvena papanam ya prokta shubhakarita > Sa trikona adhipatye api na kendreshatva matratah > Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra > > As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic. > So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna. > Please guide. > Regards > > --- End forwarded message --- > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release 11/30/09 13:01:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: Dear Suresh ji, Kursija ji is an aged astrologer. Even though bit diverting from the subject under discussion his contribution and inputs are valid; the doubts created due to the BPHS quotes also should be clarified I feel, which in this case you have done in an excellent manner. //Nobody here denies that Kendradhipathya dosha does not exist. The question were to apply it, when and how it works?.// Yes, you are absolutely right. //> I am surprised instead of trying to understanding the meaning of such a simple verse, you are trying to advice me to go learn. Pls re-learn your sanskrit // You are right. Certainly Kursija ji deviates the discussion - * by putting that post above the post on " Paraspara Karakatva (mutual significance) " . * by referring to " yogakarakaadhyayah " (Chapter on Yoga karaka) in BPHS instead on concentrating on " Kendradipati dosha " (malefic nature ascribed to kendra lords) that is under discussion. But those doubts could arise in the mind of anyone who learned astrology through BPHS and explanations clarify such doubts. //> However, The yoga karakas if not positioned in beneficial houses, or if not with strength, the effects they are supposed to provide will only remain as a dream. > The discussion here is not that of Yoga Karaka But of Kendradhipathya dosha, which has been explained. // Those were beautiful statements. I agree with you. Love and regards, Sreenadh kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > Dear Sck ji, > > > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue. > > I am not sure what you trying to do here. You should re-read what is being written and stated. In fact you should go through those verses again rather just quoting them and advising me to understnd them. > > I have several times stated that factors & conditions should be applied deligently and appropriate places only. This is what is emphasied by Sreenadh also. Instead of trying to understand it, you are simply going back to round one. > > Nobody here denies that Kendradhipathya dosha does not exist. > > The question were to apply it, when and how it works?. > > why speak of Kendradhipathy dosha alone? If start enumerating all kinds of afflictions in a chart , most of the people on this earth shall commit suicide in desperation. > > In the example chart provide by Girish, Why should the native recover after the Jupiter-jupiter is over, if KP is so bad enough to destroy him materialy? Can you explain it without beeting around the bush? > > > Now it seems you got the meaning totaly wrong when you said position of planet. > > > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow > > > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam > > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha > > > > You got the verse wrong. > > Parashara was talking about " KandradhipatayaH " meaning the lord of the Kendra will not show good results. Melefics will not show bad results ; if they are owners of trikona also they will be " subadha " " subha phala datha " means yoga karaka. This is not position but ownership of houses. > > This is the basic condition of KP. > > The rest relates to the yoga karakatwa & its order of subhatva (amount of good results) it can give. > > > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam > > " Visheshena " expecialy " subhapradam " good is Lagna why? it is Kendra as well as trikona > > kendra rasi are 1 / 4/ 7/ 10th > Trikona Rasi are 1 / 5/ 9th > > So lagna is Kendra & trikona " tvat visheshena subhapradam " . > > Because lagna is kendra & trikona, Lagna (Lord) is expecialy good. > > > This is the meaning of the verse and what Parashara is trying to teach. > > Don't twist the meaning of what the great sages have provided to suite your arguments, which I had again & again mentioned. > > I am surprised instead of trying to understanding the meaning of such a simple verse, you are trying to advice me to go learn. Pls re-learn your sanskrit (I am not sanskrit pundit). > > > The verse 14 refers to malefic planets only. why because they are natural malefics an they become benefics temporariy due to their ownner ship of Kendra rasi. So they need a special mention. > > Of the malefic planets, Mars & saturn only could own two houses. > > Mars > for > aries , it is 1 & 8th lord > Taurus, it is 7th & 12th lord > Gemini, it is 6th & 11nth lord > Karkata, it is 5th & 10th lord (Yoga karaka) > Simha, it is 4th & 9th Lord (Yoga Karaka) > Kanya, it is 3rd & 8th lord > Thula, it is 2nd & 7th lord > Vrischika, it is 1st & 6th lord > Dhanu, it is 5th & 12th lord > Makara, it is 4th & 11nth lord > Kumbha, it is 3rd & 10th lord > Meena, it is 2nd & 9th lord. > > You can see that though Mars is kendra lord, it is also lord of other house that have their own malefic qualities except for Karkata & Simha where it is lord od Kendra & Trikona, thus becomming Yoga Karaka. > > Similarly for saturn also. > > > However, The yoga karakas if not positioned in beneficial houses, or if not with strength, the effects they are supposed to provide will only remain as a dream. > > The discussion here is not that of Yoga Karaka But of Kendradhipathya dosha, which has been explained. > > Hope you uderstand properly. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > kerala_vedic_astrology , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh Babu ji, > > According to my understanding the kD is aaplicable only when planet is in kendra from lagna as follow > > Kendradhipati Dosha has classical sanction. You may refer to Atha yogakarakaadhyayah of BPHS on this and form your own understanding rather than reading what others have to say about this somewhat complex issue. > > > > Shloka 2 > > Kendradhipatayah saumya na dishanti shubham phalam > > Kroora na eva ashubham kuryuhu shubhadaha cha trikonapaha > > A benefic owning kendras will not give auspicious results. Malefic owning kendras do not remain inauspicious. The lord of the trines gives auspicious effects > > > > Shloka 3 > > lagnam kendra trikonatvat viseshana shubhapadam > > Panchamam navamam cha eva visesha dhanam uchyate > > Lagna is a trine and an angle simultaneously, hence the lord of lagna is auspicious. The 5th and the 9th houses are especially for wealth > > > > Shloka 10 > > kendradhipataydoshayoho shubhanam kathito hi sah > > Chandra gya guru shukranam prabalaha cha uttarottaram > > > > The kendradhipati dosha is thus about the benefics. Moon, mercury, Jupiter and venus is the order of significance > > > > Shloka 14 > > kendrashatvena papanam ya prokta shubhakarita > > Sa trikona adhipatye api na kendreshatva matratah > > Malefics having lordship of kendras become shubh, only if it simultaneously also owns a kona, and not by mere ownership of Kendra > > > > As per these 4 shlokas, this dosha applies to Jupiter for Gemini and virgo ascendants, and Mercury for Sagitarius and Pisces ascendants when they are placed in angles. However, they cease to be benefics, and do not become malefics as per this dictum. Moon as 4L may be covered under this dosha, if it is benefic. > > So all these shloka refers to kendra from lagna. > > Please guide. > > Regards > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > > Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > > kerala_vedic_astrology > > Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:45 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Girish, > > > > The meaning of the first verse is as follows. > > > > If a planet is positioned in the own rasi / moolatrikona / ucha rasi - in the kendra (of another planet), they become karaka mutually (give each others results in their respective periods). > > > > In this case, Jupiter in the exaltation sign is in the kendra of Mars (6th lord from lagna). so jupiter also confers the results attributed to mars. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Girish menon <horamag > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology > > Mon, November 30, 2009 4:57:24 PM > > Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > > > >  > > Respected Sureshji > > Thank you for the clarification. > > I should have posted this question some time back because i have spend some time on this like collecting charts. I had the same problem with pushkar navamsa which you finally clarified. > > Sir i have not understood > > As per the above Jupiter in exaltation is Karaka for Mars also > > Thanks and regards > > Girish > > > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > > kerala_vedic_ astrology > > Monday, November 30, 2009, 2:49 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Girish, > > > > The explanation provided by Sreenadh is absolutely correct. The word " Maraka " means one who kills. However, a Maraka planet, need not always kill (cause death or severe physical affliction), it is stand alone or has benefic association / aspect etc. > > > > It becomes more potent when it is associated with Saturn ( karaka for 6/8/12) houses, Gulika, Planets having Kendradipathya dosha, if its is Mrithyu Bhaga, In Dina Mrithyu(Muhurtha term) and a few other factors as well. > > > > Further, the transit etc should also concide with the timming. It is like shift of gears in a motor vehicle. The Gear falls into the correct gear when all the small gears fall into the right place. Even if one of them is out of sinch, the gear will not fall correctly. > > > > Just to clarify the matter further, Saravali provides two simple verses about the dasas that give good & bad results > > > > saraavali. > > > > Good results > > > > svocchasvaraashinij abhaagasuhR^ id{}gR^ihasthaaH saMpuurNaviiryaruch iraa balinaH svakaale > > > > mitrocchabhaagasahi taaH shubhadR^iShTiyukta aH shreShTaaM dashaaM vidadhati svavayaHsu kheTaaH.. > > > > a) Planet in Exaltation > > > > b) Planet in Own sign > > > > c) Planet in own navamsa > > > > d) planet in friends house > > > > E) Planet having full rays > > > > f) Planets having strength > > > > g) Planets having kalabhala > > > > h) Planet in Ucha navamsa > > > > i) Planet in friends navamsa > > > > j) planet aspected by benefic planets > > > > k) planet with benefic planets > > > > Bad results giving dasa > > > > viichashatrugR^ ihaM praaptaaH shatrunimnaaMshasuu ryagaaH > > > > vivarNaa paapasaMbandhaa kuryurashobhanaam. . > > > > a) Planet in debilation > > > > b) planet in enemies house > > > > c) planet in enemies navamsa > > > > d) planet in debilation navamsa > > > > f) planet having maudya > > > > g) planet without rays > > > > h) planet aspected by malefic > > > > j) planet planet with malefic planet > > > > Note: > > > > The " swavayasu " should be interpreted as own age, indicating the nisarga age given for planet, implying the Nisarga dasa of the planet. > > > > It should be noted that nowhere its is given that kendradhipathya dosha should be accounted for normal assessment of the dasa other than in situations earlier discussed. > > > > In addition to this the planets in the Kendra should also be assertained. > > > > chapter - 6 > > > > svarkshatrikoNatu~ Ngasthaa yadi kendreShu saMsthitaaH > > > > anyonyaM kaarakaaste syuH kendreShveva harermatam.. > > > > tu~NgasuhR^itsvagR^ ihaaMshe sthitaa grahaaH kaarakaaH samaakhyaataaH > > > > meShuuraNe cha raviriti visheShato vakti chaaNakyaH.. > > > > lagnasthaaH sukhasaMsthaa dashamasthaashcaapi kaarakaaK sarve > > > > ekaadashe.api kechid{}vaa~ nChanti ca tanmataM muniindraaNaam. . > > > > As per the above Jupiter in exaltation is Karaka for Mars also(6th Lord). So it is natural that Jupiter gives financial problems attributed to the 6th lord. > > > > Hope this clarifies that matter further. > > > >   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > sreesog <sreesog > > > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology > > > > Mon, November 30, 2009 1:04:32 PM > > > > [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Kendradhipathi dosha > > > >  > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > > > Kendradhipati dosha is applicable in Death period determination ONLY and not in other places as per the original text that mentions this dosha - i.e. Jataka Chandrika (alias Laghu Parasari alias Udu daya pradeepa)written by Venkateswara Dikshitar (Son of Yagnya Narayana) who lived in 9th or 10th century AD. > > > > Jataka Chandrika states - " Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samthiti.... .... bhavettadanu tadvidha " etc. Due to their marakatva (death inflicting effect) they cause death in their dasa antara especially if placed in maraka houses such as 2nd or 7th. Therefore except while trying to locate the vimsottari dasa-antara period which may cause death to the native we SHOULD NOT consider or use this concept. Application of this unique concept (told with a specific purpose) everywhere may undermine the basic intend of this tool itself. > > > > The application of Kendradhipati dosha would for example - the 8th lord's dasa 7th lords antara (or vice versa) can cause death or death like hazards (very bad period). Possibly we should not associate Kendradhipati dosha with the general good/bad results of the dasa. > > > > Suresh ji may explain further from that specific chart's perspective. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Girish " <horamag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected sureshji > > > > > A doubt regarding kendradhipathi dosha. > > > > > As i understand for gemini and virgo natives Jupiter if posted in 1 4 7 or 10 will have KP dosha. Sir to what extend will this dosha affect the native.I have a chart of my friend who is undergoing Jupiter dasha and he has Ju in ucham in rasi as well as navamsa. So his dasha should be excellent for him.But it is only average .is it because of KP dosha > > > > > POB:April 3 1967 > > > > > TOB:12:30 pm > > > > > POB:Kottayam > > > > > His guru dasha started from approx 2004 > > > > > Yr 2004 till 2005 was extremely bad for him(He said he struggled for 5 rs also) with regards to finance and relationship. > > > > > He had a accident on oct 2 2007 he had to put steel rod on his legs. > > > > > From 2008 onwards he says there is improvement. > > > > > But as a beginner if i look at the chart i would have predicted good time which is not so. Is it because of KP dosha or mandi is in conjunction with jupiter or Ju degree is 1:17 or the dipositor moon is in 8th. I am keen to know with regards to KP dosha. > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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