Fwd: Misinterpretations or half interpretations of classical works

November 30, 2009

kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

Dear Suresh ji,

Well said. By the way Sakata yoga is not that bad as it is projected at

times as well. For example Sakata yoga is beneficial in the following ways -

* It robes-off the native from things at his disposal, but later provides

everything back to him. (Ref - from memory: " Kwachit kwachit bagamupaiti sarvam,

puna puna sarvam upaiti bhagam " etc from Phaladeepika)

* It makes the native very popular (but there would be sadness - due to some

core reasons - would be present always in the mind of the native). Reference is

again Phaladeepika which states " Loka prasastaH apariharyamantaH salyam karoti

sakate ati dukkhaH "

Thus is it clear that - 1) Giving every worldly benefit back to the native and

2) Providing him with popularity - are two major benefits Sakata yoga provides.

By the way " Sakata " means " Wheeled Vehicle " . " Chakravat Parivartate lokaH "

(the world rotates like a wheel) repeating it sequence of sadness and happiness.

Apart from the variants of Sakata yoga mentioned by Suresh ji, there is one

more variant of Sakata yoga mentioned in Phaladeepika.

3) If Moon is in 6th,8th, 12th from Jupiter then it is Sakata Yoga.

If one want's look for this 3rd kind of Sakata yoga, then my chart is an

example with Virgo lagna, Moon in 2nd house and Jupiter in 3rd. By the way, I

have experienced the effects of Sakata yoga as well during my Saturn dasa

Jupiter Antara (both the results materializing, losing everything, but gaining

popularity, and having an unsolvable sadness within). Again the question may

raise whether the said result should be attributed to particular Dasa-Antara or

to the whole life. Assigning such results to the whole life seems improbable and

illogical. So whether all Jupiter or Moon dasa would be like that for me or

what? No, from experience I would say that possibly it may not. My Mercury dasa

(mercury in 3rd) Jupiter Antara not only gave me everything back in an excellent

manner but also gave extra popularity. (the process of regaining started much

before itself, but this period was specially excellent).

Sakata yoga and its results are certainly an area worth exploring.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Many a times we finds quotes from neo writers of Astrology or interpretators,

which is worth spending some of the valuable time for evaluating them properly

before absorbing blindly.

>

> The discussion below should prove the point. I have debiliberatly removed the

names except mine, for it is not proper to publish others names without their

concent or participation.

>

> Misinterpretations of Classical works without corroborating the fundamental

principals

>

> This is excerpt from another discussion.

>

> 1) What is " sakata yoga " ?

>

> 2) Does I am having the " sakata yoga " .since the planetary positions in my

chart--due to Moon being placed in the 12th house from Jupiter.

>

> 3) DOB:26-12-1980-----TOB:23:49

> POB:nARVA(MANADAL),MAHABOOBNAGAR(DISTRICT),AP.

>

> Answer: by me

>

> There are two varients of Shakata Yoga.

>

> 1) When all the planets (sun to ketu) are placed in Lagna and 7th, Shakata

yoga

> is formed.

>

> This is the view held by most of the acharyas.

>

> 2) If Jupiter is placed in the the 6th or 8th from moon and NOT in lagna

kendra,

> Shakata yoga is formed.

>

> This varient is provided by Jataka Parijata, while it also mentions the first

> view.

>

> In both case the the effect is extreme poverty. It is given that even a person

> born in royal family shall live by doing cooly work.

>

> In your chart, the first type does not exist.

>

> as per the second case: Jupiter is placed in the 2nd of moon (not 6th or 8th

as

> is required) and also in the Lagna itself (So in the kendra of lagna).

>

> Hence Shakata Yoga does not exist in your chart as per both cases.

>

> Hope this clears your doubts.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> answer provided by another astrologer

> Dear xxxxxxxx,

> Sakata Yoga as mentioned by Shri B.V.Raman in his book titled Three Hundred

Combinations,mentioned that effect of yogas could be felt in antar dasa of the

lords of 6th,8th and 12th.

> The relevence of this yoga and the kind of effect depends on other issues like

strength of lagna,position of lagna lord and navamsa position of palnets.

>

> By another astrologer

> Dear XXXXXXX,

> As your moon is in 12th from jupiter there is sakata yoga.where as B.V.Raman

in his book ThreeHundred combinations contended that Moon in 6,8,12 H from

jupiter cuases sakata yoga leading to troubles.

> By another astrologer

>

> Counter Argument for the above:

>

> I beg to differ on this. Moon in the 12th of Jupiter means Jupiter is in the

2nd of Moon - A benefic in the 2nd of Moon & that too in the lagna which is

Sunapha Yoga.

>

> So how can Sunapha Yoga caused by a benefic can also be Sakata Yoga. I am sure

Sages / acharyas who originally wrote those yogas are not that stupid.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> Dear XXXXX,

>

> My views on not much different from yours as far as practical application is

concerned.

>

> However, the member asked a theoritical question & whether he as the said yoga

in his chart (theoriticaly).

>

> Phaladeepika holds the same view as Jataka Parijata.

> " jeeventyaaShTaarisaMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM

> kendrage naasti lagnaa "

>

> This is part of complete verse. I have given only the relevant portion.

>

> The meaning : if Jupiter (Jeeva) - anthya - 12th , ashTa - 8th , ari - 6th

from shashini - moon is shakaTa, if not in the kendra of Lagna.

>

> The problem arises when the verse / sentence is not taken completely.

>

> Even so (half of the verse), I can understand Moon in the 6th or 8th. But in

the 12th it comflicts with other yogas which are far more important than such

positions. benefics on either side of moon / lagna / sun constitute subha madhya

sthiti and is a natural / inborn protection from all illeffects, which is

termed as sunapha (bha) / anapha (bha) / vesi / vasi / subha kartari yogas.

>

> off course their affliction / strength all matters in reality.

>

> Manasagari holds the view just like other classics : all planets occupying

lagna & 7th.

>

> kindly understand that my comment was not directed at you.

>

> 300 combination is not the bible of astrology nor Shree B.V.Raman is its

godfather.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

--- End forwarded message ---

December 1, 2009

kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

Dear Suresh ji,

//> Which means Moon in the 12th of Jupiter â€ " meaning Jupiter in the second of

Moon is called Sunabha yoga. //

//> a)Â will the same author (An Acharya) contradict himself on simple yogas?

and risk his authenticity. So there has to be something additional in that

second yoga to make it Unique and that Jupiter / moonÂ not being in Lagna

Kendra.//

Possibly the answer to this question is straight enough.

* 2nd is self earned money. Jupiter in 2nd from Moon increases the chances of

self earnings and thus beneficial. (Sunapha yoga)

* 12th is loss. Moon in 12th from Jupiter indicate loss of maternal property,

and possibly the whole hereditary property (since moon is the significator of

parampara as well). (Sakata yoga)

Therefore possibly if Moon is in 12th from Jupiter, he should lose all

hereditary property (due to sakata yoga) but should start earning himself better

making his status better in due course (Sunapha yoga).

// > b)Â In your case are there other factors that caused the losses and later

increased it? //

My case ditto matches with the above derivation.

//> And for your info, There are only two type of Shakata Yoga- not three. I had

checked practicaly all the other classical works. //

If the references you provided are right, you have already quoted 3 types of

Sakata yoga. Let me quote your words -

//1) When all the planets (sun to ketu) are placed in Lagna and 7th,

Shakata yoga is formed. This is the view held by most of the acharyas.

2) If Jupiter is placed in the the 6th or 8th from moon and NOT in

lagna kendra, Shakata yoga is formed. This varient is provided by Jataka

Parijata, while it also mentions the first view.

3) if Moon is placed in the 6th / 8 / 12th of jupiter and Jupiter is not in the

lagna Kendra. (for argument sake it could be Moon also â€ " not in lagna

Kendra).//

I haven't checked the Jataka Parijata version, but please note that the first

is distinct, the second needs " Jupiter in 6th or 8th FROM MOON " and the third

needs " Moon in 6th or 8th or 12th FROM JUPITER " . If the references and

translations are correct then certainly there are 3 types of Sakata yogas. But

if the translation of the Jataka Parijata quote regarding the 2nd is wrong then

certainly there would be only two types of Sakata yogas.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> Â

> The full verse is as follows.

> Â

> jiivendyaaShTaarisaMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM kendrage naasti lagnaa

> cchandre kendraadigerkkaadadhamasamavariShTaakhyayogaaH prasiddhaH..

> Â

> This verse gives in fact 4 yogas

> Shakata Yoga

> Adhama yoga

> Sama Yoga

> Varishta Yoga

> Â

> Shakata Yoga

> â€œjiivendyaaShTaarisaMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM kendrage naasti lagna(t)

> Â

> That is if Moon is placed in the 6th / 8 / 12th of jupiter and Jupiter is not

in the lagna Kendra.

> (for argument sake it could be Moon also â€ " not in lagna Kendra).

> Â

> â€œchandre kendraadigerkkaadadhamasamavariShTaakhyayogaaH prasiddhaH.â€

> Â

> If Moon is placed in Kendraadi- kendrath param tat param apoklimam â€ " of sun

it produces adhama, sama, & varishta yoga.

> Â

> The second portion of the perfect agrees with another conditions I

hadÂ explained earlier. You may search it from past postings on Sun & moon being

in these places.

> Â

> However, the shakata yoga needs some thought.

> First of all it indicates two conditions

> 1)Â a)Â Â Â Â Â moon in the 6/8/12th of Jupiter (b) and not in Lagna Kendra.

> Â 2) Among the chandradhi yogas, Planets other than Sun in the 2nd & 12th of

Moon form Sunapha(bha) & Anapha(bha) yogas. Â If both the sides have such

planets it is dhurudhura yoga and if both donâ€™t have any planets it is

kemadruma yoga.

> Â

> â€œvidhostu sunabhaanabhaadhurudhuraaH svaripphobhaya-

> sthitairviravibhirgrahairitarathaatu kemadruumaHâ€

> Â

> This verse is give by the same author just one page before. Â

> Â

> Which means Moon in the 12th of Jupiter â€ " meaning Jupiter in the second of

Moon is called Sunabha yoga.

> Â

> It effects is given as follows by the same author.

> Â

> svayamadhigatavittaH paarthivastatsamo vaa

> bhavati hi sunabhaayaaM dhiidhanakhyaatimaaMshcha..

> Â

> The native shall have wealth earned by own efforts, either a king or like a

king and shall have intelligence, wealth and fame.

> Â

> The question is

> a)Â will the same author (An Acharya) contradict himself on simple yogas? and

risk his authenticity. So there has to be something additional in that second

yoga to make it Unique and that Jupiter / moonÂ not being in Lagna Kendra.

> b)Â In your case are there other factors that caused the losses and later

increased it?

> Â

> After all sunabha yoga is what you experienced. Off course the effect of

Shakata Yoga like the above is exactly as you mentioned.

> Â

> And for your info, There are only two type of Shakata Yoga- not three. I had

checked practicaly all the other classical works.Â

> Â

> Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> sreesog <sreesog@>

> kerala_vedic_astrology

> Mon, November 30, 2009 10:49:44 PM

> [kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Misinterpretations or half

interpretations of classical works

>

> Â

> Dear Suresh ji and all,

> Let me state something about the 3rd category of Sakata yoga based on

> Phaladeepika.

> Jeeventyashtari samsthe sasini tu sakatam

> Kendrage nasti lagnat chandre..... ....

> (Chapter 6 sloka 14)

> [if Moon is present in 6th, 8thn or 12th from Jupiter then it is Sakata

> Yoga. If Moon is in Lagna Kendra then Sakatayoga does not happen]

> Some say that if Jupiter is in Lagna Kendra then too Sakata yoga does

> not apply.

> Phaladeepika gives the result of Sakata yoga in the following quote -

> Kwachit kwachit bhagya parichyutassan

> PunaH punaH sarvamupaiti bhagam

> Lokaprasiddho (a)pariharyamanta

> ssalyam prapannaH sakate(a)ti dukkhi

> (Chapter 6 sloka 17)

> [if the native is born while Sakata yoga is present then his luck will

> gradually diminish and will become almost nill at the end; then from

> there the luck will gradually start increasing and then will become

> full. He will become world famous. But then too there would remain some

> non-defendable sharp pain within his mind always]

> Sorry for the not-so-sharp translation which may not be accurate

> enough; but that is enough to convey the meaning of the quote I feel.

> Possibly this 3rd category of Sakata Yoga is neither that bad nor that

> good. It has both positive and negative effects within it. Since it is a

> normal House-Planet (Bhava-Graha Yoga), the results of the same should

> materialize in the dasa of corresponding planets or house lords I think.

> Note: My reference text is Phaladeepika with Deepti commentary by

> Brahmasri Cheruvalli Narayanan Nambootiri.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> kerala_vedic_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suresh ji,

> > Well said. By the way Sakata yoga is not that bad as it is

> projected at times as well. For example Sakata yoga is beneficial in the

> following ways -

> > * It robes-off the native from things at his disposal, but later

> provides everything back to him. (Ref - from memory: " Kwachit kwachit

> bagamupaiti sarvam, puna puna sarvam upaiti bhagam " etc from

> Phaladeepika)

> > * It makes the native very popular (but there would be sadness - due

> to some core reasons - would be present always in the mind of the

> native). Reference is again Phaladeepika which states " Loka prasastaH

> apariharyamantaH salyam karoti sakate ati dukkhaH "

> > Thus is it clear that - 1) Giving every worldly benefit back to the

> native and 2) Providing him with popularity - are two major benefits

> Sakata yoga provides. By the way " Sakata " means " Wheeled Vehicle " .

> " Chakravat Parivartate lokaH " (the world rotates like a wheel) repeating

> it sequence of sadness and happiness.

> > Apart from the variants of Sakata yoga mentioned by Suresh ji, there

> is one more variant of Sakata yoga mentioned in Phaladeepika.

> >

> > 3) If Moon is in 6th,8th, 12th from Jupiter then it is Sakata Yoga.

> > If one want's look for this 3rd kind of Sakata yoga, then my chart

> is an example with Virgo lagna, Moon in 2nd house and Jupiter in 3rd. By

> the way, I have experienced the effects of Sakata yoga as well during my

> Saturn dasa Jupiter Antara (both the results materializing, losing

> everything, but gaining popularity, and having an unsolvable sadness

> within). Again the question may raise whether the said result should be

> attributed to particular Dasa-Antara or to the whole life. Assigning

> such results to the whole life seems improbable and illogical. So

> whether all Jupiter or Moon dasa would be like that for me or what? No,

> from experience I would say that possibly it may not. My Mercury dasa

> (mercury in 3rd) Jupiter Antara not only gave me everything back in an

> excellent manner but also gave extra popularity. (the process of

> regaining started much before itself, but this period was specially

> excellent).

> > Sakata yoga and its results are certainly an area worth exploring.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > kerala_vedic_ astrology, " Suresh Babu "

> sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Many a times we finds quotes from neo writers of Astrology or

> interpretators, which is worth spending some of the valuable time for

> evaluating them properly before absorbing blindly.

> > >

> > > The discussion below should prove the point. I have debiliberatly

> removed the names except mine, for it is not proper to publish others

> names without their concent or participation.

> > >

> > > Misinterpretations of Classical works without corroborating the

> fundamental principals

> > >

> > > This is excerpt from another discussion.

> > >

> > > 1) What is " sakata yoga " ?

> > >

> > > 2) Does I am having the " sakata yoga " .since the planetary positions

> in my chart--due to Moon being placed in the 12th house from Jupiter.

> > >

> > > 3) DOB:26-12-1980- ----TOB:23: 49

> > > POB:nARVA(MANADAL) ,MAHABOOBNAGAR( DISTRICT) ,AP.

> > >

> > > Answer: by me

> > >

> > > There are two varients of Shakata Yoga.

> > >

> > > 1) When all the planets (sun to ketu) are placed in Lagna and 7th,

> Shakata yoga

> > > is formed.

> > >

> > > This is the view held by most of the acharyas.

> > >

> > > 2) If Jupiter is placed in the the 6th or 8th from moon and NOT in

> lagna kendra,

> > > Shakata yoga is formed.

> > >

> > > This varient is provided by Jataka Parijata, while it also mentions

> the first

> > > view.

> > >

> > > In both case the the effect is extreme poverty. It is given that

> even a person

> > > born in royal family shall live by doing cooly work.

> > >

> > > In your chart, the first type does not exist.

> > >

> > > as per the second case: Jupiter is placed in the 2nd of moon (not

> 6th or 8th as

> > > is required) and also in the Lagna itself (So in the kendra of

> lagna).

> > >

> > > Hence Shakata Yoga does not exist in your chart as per both cases.

> > >

> > > Hope this clears your doubts.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > answer provided by another astrologer

> > > Dear xxxxxxxx,

> > > Sakata Yoga as mentioned by Shri B.V.Raman in his book titled Three

> Hundred Combinations, mentioned that effect of yogas could be felt in

> antar dasa of the lords of 6th,8th and 12th.

> > > The relevence of this yoga and the kind of effect depends on other

> issues like strength of lagna,position of lagna lord and navamsa

> position of palnets.

> > >

> > > By another astrologer

> > > Dear XXXXXXX,

> > > As your moon is in 12th from jupiter there is sakata yoga.where as

> B.V.Raman in his book ThreeHundred combinations contended that Moon in

> 6,8,12 H from jupiter cuases sakata yoga leading to troubles.

> > > By another astrologer

> > >

> > > Counter Argument for the above:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ on this. Moon in the 12th of Jupiter means Jupiter

> is in the 2nd of Moon - A benefic in the 2nd of Moon & that too in the

> lagna which is Sunapha Yoga.

> > >

> > > So how can Sunapha Yoga caused by a benefic can also be Sakata Yoga.

> I am sure Sages / acharyas who originally wrote those yogas are not that

> stupid.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > Dear XXXXX,

> > >

> > > My views on not much different from yours as far as practical

> application is concerned.

> > >

> > > However, the member asked a theoritical question & whether he as the

> said yoga in his chart (theoriticaly) .

> > >

> > > Phaladeepika holds the same view as Jataka Parijata.

> > > " jeeventyaaShTaaris aMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM

> > > kendrage naasti lagnaa "

> > >

> > > This is part of complete verse. I have given only the relevant

> portion.

> > >

> > > The meaning : if Jupiter (Jeeva) - anthya - 12th , ashTa - 8th , ari

> - 6th from shashini - moon is shakaTa, if not in the kendra of Lagna.

> > >

> > > The problem arises when the verse / sentence is not taken

> completely.

> > >

> > > Even so (half of the verse), I can understand Moon in the 6th or

> 8th. But in the 12th it comflicts with other yogas which are far more

> important than such positions. benefics on either side of moon / lagna /

> sun constitute subha madhya sthiti and is a natural / inborn protection

> from all illeffects, which is termed as sunapha (bha) / anapha (bha) /

> vesi / vasi / subha kartari yogas.

> > >

> > > off course their affliction / strength all matters in reality.

> > >

> > > Manasagari holds the view just like other classics : all planets

> occupying lagna & 7th.

> > >

> > > kindly understand that my comment was not directed at you.

> > >

> > > 300 combination is not the bible of astrology nor Shree B.V.Raman is

> its godfather.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> >

>

December 1, 2009

kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

Dear Girish ji,

//> I checked my chart and Amitabh chart as a beginning and in

> my chart I have I have 4 planets in pushkar navamsa and amitabh had only one.

> That explains everything. I wrote to Sureshji and he told me that he has 100

> horoscopes where he can give examples and pushkar navamsa should be used for

> muhuratha only and not for natal chart.

> I have also mailed Dr Vasan giving my chart example and I hope

> I will get the reply.//

Ha..Ha.. That was a beautiful example - I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

kerala_vedic_astrology , Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

>

> Dear Kurshiji

>

> I agree with you.Though Dr.B.V.Raman is not godfather of

> astrology, he has made us to read astrology. The educated members of the

> society started learning astrology after reading the books of Dr. Raman

>

> Â

>

> I like to give a recent example which convinced me to follow

> our older traditions written by our acharyas

>

> I had last month attended a seminar in Bangalore organized by B.V.Raman son

Niranjan

> Babu.

>

> There I had the privilege to listen to Dr T.S.Vasan lecture.

>

> They are uploading the seminar lecture in their website

> soon.

>

> In his lecture he spoke the importance of pushkar navamsa

> and while judging any chart one must study the placement of planets in pushkar

> navamsa. It was a new subject to me and I wanted to do study on this subject.

I

> remember Dr. Vasan giving ex of Ramakrishna Hegde and Deve Gowda both former

> chief ministers of Karnataka. According to him Hegde had one planet in pushkar

> navamsa and deve gowda has 3 planets in pushkar navamsa ie the reason hedge

beacame

> CM and Deve Gowda became PM.

>

> I came back and started doing study on this subject.

>

> I checked my chart and Amitabh chart as a beginning and in

> my chart I have I have 4 planets in pushkar navamsa and amitabh had only one.

> That explains everything. I wrote to Sureshji and he told me that he has 100

> horoscopes where he can give examples and pushkar navamsa should be used for

> muhuratha only and not for natal chart.

>

> I have also mailed Dr Vasan giving my chart example and I hope

> I will get the reply.

>

> Â

>

> I have also another case study which I did with Sureshji regarding

> prasana marga of my friends property. I donâ€™t know about this subject but

Sureshjiâ€™s

> analysis was almost accurate.

>

> I am not sure but I feel that Sureshji intusion could also

> be an important factor in that case study.

>

> Â

>

> And I agree with sreenadhji

>

> The concepts and statements you may find in many modern day

> scholar's books - such as BV Raman, Gayatri Devi, KN Rao, Sanjay Rath etc etc

- might be much

> different from this traditional kerala perspective. It is better to learn

> directly referring to the classics, when confusion arises - then as Vedas

> puts it " Follow the path shown by the ancient sages, then we don't have to

> worry that we took the wrong path'. But ofcourse own logic and molding the

> principles to suit today's situation etc is all just part of intelligent

application of ancient

> principles by any intelligent student. But we should be careful to go only as

> much as the non-contradicting logic will lead us to (based on practical

> experience and experimentation as well), and should take extra care NOT TO

> CONTRADICT the ancient guidances and basic foundation.

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Girish

>

> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

>

> S.C. Kursija <sckursija@>

> Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Misinterpretations or half

interpretations of classical works

> kerala_vedic_astrology

> Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:07 AM

>

Â

>

Dear Girish menon ji,

>

> I agree with you.Though Dr.B.V.Raman is not godfather of astrology, he has

made us to read astrology. The educated members of the society started learning

astrology after reading the books of Dr. Raman. Presently you can judge the

market of English books of astrolofy. There is no thing to add further. " Haatha

Kangana ko Arsi kya "

>

> Regards

>

> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Girish menon <horamag > wrote:

>

> Girish menon <horamag >

>

> Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Misinterpretations or half

interpretations of classical works

>

> kerala_vedic_ astrology

>

> Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:06 PM

>

> Â

>

> Respected sureshji

>

> 300 combination is not the bible of astrology nor Shree B.V.Raman is its

godfather.

>

> Well said.

>

> But cannot blame those astrologers. Like them i have to depend on these books.

I feel to learn this science one must learn from a gurukul under traditional

masters. That is the reason you and sreenadji have command over this subject.

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Girish

--- End forwarded message ---

December 1, 2009

kerala_vedic_astrology , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

Dear Suresh ji,

//> That said, let me further explain. The first kind of Shakata yoga (all

planets being in the lagna & 7th) is part of Nabhasa yoga, the importance of

which is minimum as we already from the words of acharyas themselves. //

Yes, and the result attributed to it is also different. The Sakata yoga

included in Nabhasa yogas is an Akriti yoga (a special type of House-Planet

combination).

//> The the result of 2nd type is given as ups & down in life.//

//> > Phaladeepika holds the same view as Jataka Parijata. //

Yes, in which case I think both these texts are speaking about " Moon being in

6-8-12 from Jupiter " and NOT about " Jupiter being in 6-8-12 from Moon " .

//I feel there is more to this seemingly simple yoga than meets the eye. //

Yes, there should be. And possibly since the combination and the result

differs, we should name these two Sakata yogas differently. Possibly as -

1) Sakata Nabhasa yoga

2) Sakata Yoga (do we have a better name for this?)

The first one produces mostly bad results only (and is not considered much

important), while the second one gives a mix of both good and bad results (and

is important).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

kerala_vedic_astrology , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenaadh,

>

> Personaly I don't hold much importance to Shakata Yoga. I quoted the

techinical information since the question by the said native was " what is

shakata yoga " - a purely technical question.

>

> That said, let me further explain. The first kind of Shakata yoga (all planets

being in the lagna & 7th) is part of Nabhasa yoga, the importance of which is

minimum as we already from the words of acharyas themselves.

>

> The the result of 2nd type is given as ups & down in life. Which is quite

normal as far as a life is fully considered. No one expects the whole life to be

without some ups & downs. we have seen even the so called richest in India

suffer in the past year. So what about ordinary people.

>

> So the question is why did acharyas spend time & energy to explain such an

ordinary yoga? or did they waste?

>

> I feel not. I feel there is more to this seemingly simple yoga than meets the

eye.

>

> The word " Sha-ka-Ta " is 5-1-1 as per Katapayaadi system. This combination of

these numbers might indicate the periods in which, the person may

sufferÂ physicaly / financialy etc. On a quick look, I feel the age could be 1,

5, 11,15, 25, 51 & 75 . I have not checked the grammer more closely to arive at

the correctÂ numbers.

>

> Since this is only a logical assumption, we may look at several charts to

assertain this.

>

> I had quoted the phaladeepika itself. Various authors might have used

different mix of words. However, the meaning is same.

>

> Â //If Moon is in 6th,8th, 12th from Jupiter then it is Sakata Yoga. //

>

> This is exactly my point. The verse is not quoted completly. It also adds

another condition to the above - if jupiter is not in the lagna Kendra. This

what phaladeepika also says.

>

> > Phaladeepika holds the same view as Jataka Parijata.

> > " jeeventyaaShTaarisaMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM

> > kendrage naasti lagnaa "

>

> Dr.B.V.Raman as well as others took only the first part of the sentence and

declared that Moon in the 6th / 8th / 12th constitutes shakata yoga. excluding

the second part.

>

> where / how will you fit the second part? " kendrage naasti lagnaa " .

>

> I hope you understand.

> Â

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> sreesog <sreesog@>

> kerala_vedic_astrology

> Mon, November 30, 2009 5:36:40 PM

> [kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Misinterpretations or half

interpretations of classical works

>

> Â

> Dear Suresh ji,

> Well said. By the way Sakata yoga is not that bad as it is projected at

times as well. For example Sakata yoga is beneficial in the following ways -

> * It robes-off the native from things at his disposal, but later provides

everything back to him. (Ref - from memory: " Kwachit kwachit bagamupaiti sarvam,

puna puna sarvam upaiti bhagam " etc from Phaladeepika)

> * It makes the native very popular (but there would be sadness - due to some

core reasons - would be present always in the mind of the native). Reference is

again Phaladeepika which states " Loka prasastaH apariharyamantaH salyam karoti

sakate ati dukkhaH "

> Thus is it clear that - 1) Giving every worldly benefit back to the native and

2) Providing him with popularity - are two major benefits Sakata yoga provides.

By the way " Sakata " means " Wheeled Vehicle " . " Chakravat Parivartate lokaH "

(the world rotates like a wheel) repeating it sequence of sadness and happiness.

> Apart from the variants of Sakata yoga mentioned by Suresh ji, there is one

more variant of Sakata yoga mentioned in Phaladeepika.

>

> 3) If Moon is in 6th,8th, 12th from Jupiter then it is Sakata Yoga.

> If one want's look for this 3rd kind of Sakata yoga, then my chart is an