Fwd: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Misinterpretations or half interpretations of classical works

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kerala_vedic_astrology , Girish menon <horamag wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kurshiji

 

I agree with you.Though Dr.B.V.Raman is not godfather of

astrology, he has made us to read astrology. The educated members of the

society started learning astrology after reading the books of Dr. Raman

 

 

 

I like to give a recent example which convinced me to follow

our older traditions written by our acharyas

 

I had last month attended a seminar in Bangalore organized by B.V.Raman son

Niranjan

Babu.

 

There I had the privilege to listen to Dr T.S.Vasan lecture.

 

They are uploading the seminar lecture in their website

soon.

 

In his lecture he spoke the importance of pushkar navamsa

and while judging any chart one must study the placement of planets in pushkar

navamsa. It was a new subject to me and I wanted to do study on this subject. I

remember Dr. Vasan giving ex of Ramakrishna Hegde and Deve Gowda both former

chief ministers of Karnataka. According to him Hegde had one planet in pushkar

navamsa and deve gowda has 3 planets in pushkar navamsa ie the reason hedge

beacame

CM and Deve Gowda became PM.

 

I came back and started doing study on this subject.

 

I checked my chart and Amitabh chart as a beginning and in

my chart I have I have 4 planets in pushkar navamsa and amitabh had only one.

That explains everything. I wrote to Sureshji and he told me that he has 100

horoscopes where he can give examples and pushkar navamsa should be used for

muhuratha only and not for natal chart.

 

I have also mailed Dr Vasan giving my chart example and I hope

I will get the reply.

 

 

 

I have also another case study which I did with Sureshji regarding

prasana marga of my friends property. I don’t know about this subject but

Sureshji’s

analysis was almost accurate.

 

I am not sure but I feel that Sureshji intusion could also

be an important factor in that case study.

 

 

 

And I agree with sreenadhji

 

The concepts and statements you may find in many modern day

scholar's books - such as BV Raman, Gayatri Devi, KN Rao, Sanjay Rath etc etc -

might be much

different from this traditional kerala perspective. It is better to learn

directly referring to the classics, when confusion arises - then as Vedas

puts it " Follow the path shown by the ancient sages, then we don't have to

worry that we took the wrong path'. But ofcourse own logic and molding the

principles to suit today's situation etc is all just part of intelligent

application of ancient

principles by any intelligent student. But we should be careful to go only as

much as the non-contradicting logic will lead us to (based on practical

experience and experimentation as well), and should take extra care NOT TO

CONTRADICT the ancient guidances and basic foundation.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Girish

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

 

S.C. Kursija <sckursija

Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Misinterpretations or half interpretations

of classical works

kerala_vedic_astrology

Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Girish menon ji,

 

I agree with you.Though Dr.B.V.Raman is not godfather of astrology, he has made

us to read astrology. The educated members of the society started learning

astrology after reading the books of Dr. Raman. Presently you can judge the

market of English books of astrolofy. There is no thing to add further. " Haatha

Kangana ko Arsi kya "

 

Regards

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Girish menon <horamag > wrote:

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >

 

Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Misinterpretations or half

interpretations of classical works

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:06 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected sureshji

 

300 combination is not the bible of astrology nor Shree B.V.Raman is its

godfather.

 

 

 

Well said.

 

But cannot blame those astrologers. Like them i have to depend on these books. I

feel to learn this science one must learn from a gurukul under traditional

masters. That is the reason you and sreenadji have command over this subject.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Girish

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

[kerala_vedic_ astrology] Misinterpretations or half interpretations of

classical works

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

Monday, November 30, 2009, 3:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Many a times we finds quotes from neo writers of Astrology or interpretators,

which is worth spending some of the valuable time for evaluating them properly

before absorbing blindly.

 

 

 

The discussion below should prove the point. I have debiliberatly removed the

names except mine, for it is not proper to publish others names without their

concent or participation.

 

 

 

Misinterpretations of Classical works without corroborating the fundamental

principals

 

 

 

This is excerpt from another discussion.

 

 

 

1) What is " sakata yoga " ?

 

 

 

2) Does I am having the " sakata yoga " .since the planetary positions in my

chart--due to Moon being placed in the 12th house from Jupiter.

 

 

 

3) DOB:26-12-1980- ----TOB:23: 49

 

 

 

POB:nARVA(MANADAL) ,MAHABOOBNAGAR( DISTRICT) ,AP.

 

 

 

Answer: by me

 

 

 

There are two varients of Shakata Yoga.

 

 

 

1) When all the planets (sun to ketu) are placed in Lagna and 7th, Shakata yoga

 

 

 

is formed.

 

 

 

This is the view held by most of the acharyas.

 

 

 

2) If Jupiter is placed in the the 6th or 8th from moon and NOT in lagna kendra,

 

 

 

Shakata yoga is formed.

 

 

 

This varient is provided by Jataka Parijata, while it also mentions the first

 

 

 

view.

 

 

 

In both case the the effect is extreme poverty. It is given that even a person

 

 

 

born in royal family shall live by doing cooly work.

 

 

 

In your chart, the first type does not exist.

 

 

 

as per the second case: Jupiter is placed in the 2nd of moon (not 6th or 8th as

 

 

 

is required) and also in the Lagna itself (So in the kendra of lagna).

 

 

 

Hence Shakata Yoga does not exist in your chart as per both cases.

 

 

 

Hope this clears your doubts.

 

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

answer provided by another astrologer

 

 

 

Dear xxxxxxxx,

 

 

 

Sakata Yoga as mentioned by Shri B.V.Raman in his book titled Three Hundred

Combinations, mentioned that effect of yogas could be felt in antar dasa of the

lords of 6th,8th and 12th.

 

 

 

The relevence of this yoga and the kind of effect depends on other issues like

strength of lagna,position of lagna lord and navamsa position of palnets.

 

 

 

By another astrologer

 

 

 

Dear XXXXXXX,

 

 

 

As your moon is in 12th from jupiter there is sakata yoga.where as B.V.Raman in

his book ThreeHundred combinations contended that Moon in 6,8,12 H from jupiter

cuases sakata yoga leading to troubles.

 

 

 

By another astrologer

 

 

 

Counter Argument for the above:

 

 

 

I beg to differ on this. Moon in the 12th of Jupiter means Jupiter is in the 2nd

of Moon - A benefic in the 2nd of Moon & that too in the lagna which is Sunapha

Yoga.

 

 

 

So how can Sunapha Yoga caused by a benefic can also be Sakata Yoga. I am sure

Sages / acharyas who originally wrote those yogas are not that stupid.

 

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

Dear XXXXX,

 

 

 

My views on not much different from yours as far as practical application is

concerned.

 

 

 

However, the member asked a theoritical question & whether he as the said yoga

in his chart (theoriticaly) .

 

 

 

Phaladeepika holds the same view as Jataka Parijata.

 

 

 

" jeeventyaaShTaaris aMsthe shashini tu shakaTaM

 

 

 

kendrage naasti lagnaa "

 

 

 

This is part of complete verse. I have given only the relevant portion.

 

 

 

The meaning : if Jupiter (Jeeva) - anthya - 12th , ashTa - 8th , ari - 6th from

shashini - moon is shakaTa, if not in the kendra of Lagna.

 

 

 

The problem arises when the verse / sentence is not taken completely.

 

 

 

Even so (half of the verse), I can understand Moon in the 6th or 8th. But in the

12th it comflicts with other yogas which are far more important than such

positions. benefics on either side of moon / lagna / sun constitute subha madhya

sthiti and is a natural / inborn protection from all illeffects, which is termed

as sunapha (bha) / anapha (bha) / vesi / vasi / subha kartari yogas.

 

 

 

off course their affliction / strength all matters in reality.

 

 

 

Manasagari holds the view just like other classics : all planets occupying lagna

& 7th.

 

 

 

kindly understand that my comment was not directed at you.

 

 

 

300 combination is not the bible of astrology nor Shree B.V.Raman is its

godfather.

 

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy