Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Dear Sairaman ji, Thank You for these valuable experiences which confirm the potential power of the 12th to push a native in alien sorroundings. best wishes, Bhaskar. , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: > > very nice discussions in 12th lord very catching > > i would like to narrate my experience > > my son 28 5 1986 9 30 am kataka lagna having raghu 10th and mercury in 11th when raghu dasa mercury sub period just started in venus anthara( in 12th in mithuna) left for US for 3 months without any efforts he never even gone to his relatives house or in india very aloof from friends and relatives travelled for 18 hours in flight very religious very strict in diet is complled to go on official work > > i am only son do not want to go out for job in kethu dasa mars bukthi forced to be out of station for nearly 5 years rishba lagna kethu stars in 12th houseself meena rasi saturn star in kethu dasa moon will conduct dasa from 12th house just the beginning of venus dasa in 2nd house mithuna came back to my birth place on transfer with out my efforts quite naturally > > if 3 rd and 12th combines like kataka lagna mercury it is confirmed no escape > > many are tryingto go could not go > > kumbha lagna aquaris ..7 7 1954 visaka scorpio rasi merury in 6th cancer saturn in 9th in swathi raghu (raghu for long foreign travel) left india in mercury dasa saturn bukthi till today traveling... seen so many countries citizen of australia having house no sight of coming back to india > > 12th is foot 3rd is away from house 12th to 4th house every likelihood of travelling may be abroad also depending raghu lagna etc..etc.. > > > sairaman > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, rossin ucile kandisa_ur wrote: > > rossin ucile kandisa_ur > Re: Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 6:19 PM >  > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, >  > Thank you for the inputs. Indeed this is intersting to note that one of my close friends ( karka lagna) became aloof and went away just before the budh antardasha started in August'09 (in Rahu). I would like to request the info as to how were your bhukti periods , as soon as the antardasha period of moon completed the cycle did you get back to your place or the life took a new direction? It is always a pleasure to learn from your examples. >  > One more aspect of 12th house I would like to seek your opinion on is it's conncetion with the past life. I would suggest that 12 house rather a bridge between the conscious and the metaphysical aspect and the subtle signals one's life may provide through placement of the 12th lord in various houses. Please coment. >  > Rajesh ji, Again drawing a straight forward conclusion may not be wise. However the general indications suggest that there may be a delay in having children and thats about it. What dasha you are running will grately determine the extent of result to be expected. Saturn in Gemini is generally good. > About your friend, I would rather say that periods of dasha bhukti of Saturn in Leo in seventh house may bring out strong and sudden detachment from the marriage or partnership and may thus delay the proceedings. >  > Best regards >  > Roshan > > > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, December 3, 2009 2:45:08 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > >  > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > I just got inquisitive little late after reading through this long trail. As you are aware I am not at all well versed in astrology but just a very basic little understanding on this subject. > > > So will chose to learn it in through example on my own kundali or someone I know. In my case lord of 12th house (capricorn) saturn is also my lagna lord (Aquarius ascendant) and is placed in my 5th huse gemini. Similarly a female friend of mine also have  Aquarius ascendant adn 12th house lord is in house 7th house. So as per " denial " theory, I will have problem or no childrens and my friend will have marriage issues or " denial " of marriage? > > > My question is will Saturn being my lagna lord will be relatively better for me? or the above mentioned rules of 12th lord will still be applicable? If by mistake I have raised any silly  question.. or made mistake in lagan lord or lord of houses. > > > thanks & regards > rajesh > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:39 PM > > >  > > Dear Roshan ji, > > The factors of the 12th house will automatically come in play in a persons Life when they have to. I just begun my 12th house activation two months back, and whether it suits me or not, whether it has my approval or mot, I am away from my house, and mother since last two months, away from Bombay and living in jaipur, and yet for some days more. > > This has happened to me in the past on two occasions once in 1985 and the other time in 1990. My Moon has connection with the 4th and so has Jupiter whose antardasha just begun for me. I had predicted this to my wife about a year ago that we will have to leave the house due to certain circumstances appearing,in this period, I do not know what > could be the reasons, but we have to,so I will make a conscious attempt to leave before we are forced to leave so due to some adversary conditions. And by Gods grace some auspicious happenning in the family led me to leave > Bombay. > > Lord of denial actually denies, there is no doubt about it.I have seen it hapenning 3 times in my own horoscope whenever Moon got the power to yield its powers. Moon in my chart is placed in the 4th (In Bhava chalit). > > When a person gets detached there are only two ways to act, one is 1)Positive - religion, travel, foreign stay, association with Yoga institutions and such , AND 2) Negative - Assylum, Hospitalisation or committing a crime in frustration and landing in prison. Both these are represented by the 12th. So nothing new here if one detaches himself. That is the way of the 12th which brings this. > > About considering the 12th from Moon and judging, I have not tried this, but please ry it in charts where the Natal Lagna Lord is weak and the Moon Lagna is stronger. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Chiranjiv ji and Manoj ji, > > > > Intersting discussion! Do you think the " lord of denial " is as straight forward resulting in literal sense? > > How about self control, foreign stay/travel and meditation (being the other means of being away/ detached for a good cause) as aspects of this house? > > There may be quite a few combinations where the lord of 12th is also a ruler/exalted in other house. > > Similer to the one mentioned, for saggi lagna, lord of 12th house (Mars) is exalted in 5th (Aries). > > > > Also, would it be wise to consider 12th from moon more prominently for this house? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Roshan > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ ..> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, December 3, 2009 9:57:13 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > > >  > > Hello, > > Both my brother and my daughter have 12th lord in the 12th house. I find they are very careful in spending money, to the extent of being considered strict. Whenever they buy something or spend on something, the first thing they see is if 1) They need it 2) if it is worth the money - if it is too costly they think twice and if it is too cheap, then also they think twice 3) they buy the best thing they can buy after weighing and cross checking prices 4)They spend happily for religious purposes or for charity without any second thoughts..5) if they find money being wasted , they really get irritated and are not hesitant to raise the issue. > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes. That is an interesting position. It is always interesting to see dusthana lords exalted/debilitated in other dusthana houses. > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ . co.in> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Wed, December 2, 2009 12:16:11 AM > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > > > > > > > >Running Sani MD and Dob is 6th May 1962. Do not know time and other details but only came to know these details thru casual conversation. > > >Are you hinting at 12th Lord Sun in exalation in 8th house ? I am also looking at that angle. > > > > > >Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > >--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 8:53 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Dear Chiranjiv > Ji, > > >> > > >>Can you relate to us if this person has run dasha/antar of the 12L and what the effects are? If you can give details of other planets in Rashi that will be helpful as well. > > >> > > >>Regards, > > >> -Manoj > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ . co.in> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>Tue, December 1, 2009 2:24:31 AM > > >>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > >> > > >> > > >>sorry. > > >>Kanya Lagna. Moon lord of 11th exalated in 9th. Sun lord of 12th house exalated in 8th. > > >>1962 born. May 6th i > think. > > >> > > >>Chiranjiv Mehta > > >> > > >> > > >>--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > >>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th Lord - what does it do where its placed ? > > >>>ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>>Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 12:44 PM > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > >>> > > >>>Did not quite understand this. If moon exalted in the 11th, it means > > >>>Cancer Lagna. If 12th lord in 8th then it means Mercury in aquarius. But > > >>>how will it get Exalted here ? And what else you wrote about Sun and > > > >>>kanya rashi. > > >>> > > >>>Also mention what is the effect of all this in Natives Life which you > > >>>see. > > >>> > > >>>regards/Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>>ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > >>><vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji, > > >>>> Â > > >>>> Just came across a person with 12th in 8th but exalated. It is the > > >>>planet/Star Sun and Kanya rasi. Interestingly this person also has moon > > >>>exalated in 11th house. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks & Regards > > >>>> > > >>>> Chiranjiv Mehta > > >>>> + 91 9324168001 > > >>>> > > >>>> --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Bhaskar > bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > >>>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] 12th Lord - what does it do where > > >>>its placed ? > > >>>> ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>>> Monday, 30 November, 2009, 11:36 PM > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Â > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear friends, > > >>>> > > >>>> The 12th Lord wherever it is placed will deny the significations of > > >>>that > > >>>> house to the native, for it is the " Lord of denial " . If it is placed > > >>>in > > >>>> the 4th it will bring detachment from family Life and > will bring in > > >>>> vairagya in the native. If placed in the 5th house it will create > > >>>> problems in progeny. If placed in 1st house, it will be a case of self > > >>>> undoing. If in 7th house Love required from spouse may not be in full > > >>>> etc. > > >>>> > > >>>> please put forth your views . > > >>>> > > >>>> Love n regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >>>http://in.. com/ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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