Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

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Dear Kulbir Ji,Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with the group.//Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji was

able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help of

Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are available. Thanks.Best Regards,Deepak Sharmakulbir <kulbirbains Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

 

 

 

Santhosh Ji;

 

Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

 

1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

 

The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .

 

The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra.

 

The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

 

Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first cousins.

 

These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

 

Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of bringing out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4 parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to all free of cost.

 

Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been published by Yograj ji himself.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Santhosh" <santhosh@.. .> wrote:

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> Dear Kulbirji,

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>

>

> Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac doshas,

> which is stretching it too far.

>

>

>

> Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

>

>

>

> Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can you please

> give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it? Was it

> written in India? What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Santhosh'

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> _____

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of kulbir

> Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

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> Santhosh ji;

>

> Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

>

> 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house no 3 and

> 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a noble,

> rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual quests than

> material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his interests.

> He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay extent

> to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field is

> dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has to

> struggle against all odds.

> !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health, sometimes

> extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion and

> spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing religion.

> 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart ailment,

> but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of spirituality, gains

> recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in disguise

> for others.

> 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good moral

> character.

> 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god gifted and

> of top grade.

> 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a spiritual

> bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather instrumental in

> the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span of

> 16-19 but not on progeny.

> 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce his

> religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to considerations

> other than financial.

> 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and attains a

> pathetic state.

> 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native has to

> struggle against all odds.

> 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad - short life,

> bad luck

>

> Regards

> kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com, "Santhosh" <santhosh@> wrote:

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> > Dear Senthilji,

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> > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> >

> > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in between

> > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

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> > Regards

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> > Santhosh

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> > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

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> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

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> > Girishji

> > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac doshas

> in

> > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

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> > Senthil

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> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

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> > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

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> > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

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> > Dear Senthilji

> > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > Thanks and regards

> > Girish

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> > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in> wrote:

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> > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > "groups" <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

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> > Dear members

> > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law who is

> > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc lord)

> > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in 12th and

> state

> > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it because

> > JUP in 9th.

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Deepak ji;I have attached photographs of pt ji; the links are

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14158732/lal-kitab1939

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14176254/lal-kitab-1940

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13078966/LAL-KITAB1941-URDU-RDITION

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14271531/Lal-Kitab-1942

 

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14858953/LAL-KITAB-1952-URDU-EDITION

Regards

Kulbir Bains

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Deepak ji; i am a conservative, i don't approve of reading commentaries before going through the original text.However as per your command i am sending articles as per my understanding.

 

Basis of lalkitab system

Part-1, the need to develop this

system

 

It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of

enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of

success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to

succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were

not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under -qualified

ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold

sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for

this.

He turned towards study of

destiny.

 

Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it

was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies

differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

In case of palmistry, lines

of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18

years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that

change.

Then it was seen that in

calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics;

thousands perish at the same time. Do the have similar horoscopes and palms.

The biggest problem

encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry

portion’s limitation was that it didn’t give concrete information about the

articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny.

Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness

and keen observation led to the answer that;

When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph

of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the

child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain,

this development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e.

giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on

the palm. This karmic graph can also be

deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the

child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests

itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate

things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body

structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioral

pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern.

Some of these karmic records’ results can be molded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to

others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound

to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the

power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it is altered in

the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto

himself.

‘’duniyaavee

hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen"

As in mundane

affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death; similarly

astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the unknown/gaib. But it

is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs, not some divine

ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind ‘’ rooh ki shaanti’’

If the destiny

promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is

there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which

,as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some

danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab;

explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge

can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion

becomes ferocious; the wall will increase it’s height for protection but neither

will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine

grace, the line will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the

native. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which

will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical

tendencies.Regards

Kulbir Bains---------- Original message ----------deepak sharma< deepak_rptech >05 Dec 09 23:51:10Re: Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir Ji,Thank you so much for sending the web links.But these are urdu editions and I don't know Urdu.So I'll buy the books (Sagar Publications) suggested by you and Bhaskar Ji when I've time to study.Would you suggest me to read some other basic books also prior to going through Goswami Ji's books. Thanks again for your guidance.Best Regards,Deepak Sharmakulbir bains <kulbirbains (AT) in (DOT) com> Sat, December 5, 2009 10:26:50 PMRe: Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history [3 Attachments]

 

 

Deepak ji;I have attached photographs of pt ji; the links are

http://www.scribd. com/doc/14158732 /lal-kitab1939

http://www.scribd. com/doc/14176254 /lal-kitab- 1940

http://www.scribd. com/doc/13078966 /LAL-KITAB1941- URDU-RDITION

http://www.scribd. com/doc/14271531 /Lal-Kitab- 1942

http://www.scribd. com/doc/14858953 /LAL-KITAB- 1952-URDU- EDITION Regards

Kulbir Bains

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Original scans of Lal kitab :

 

Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan - 1939

Lal Kitab Ke Armaan -1940

Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa - 1941

Lal Kitab -1942

Lal Kitab -1952

 

 

Regards

 

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

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kulbir

Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:39 PM

Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

Bhaskar ji;we have just crossed the first stage i.e. collecting undiluted material;with yours and members of this hon'ble forum's blessings and guidance god willing next steps will follow;just need your goodwill, support and blessings;RegardsKulbir , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Kulbir ji,> > I am actually not very good in English. I have accepted this a number of> times. Thanks for reminding me about this particular fact (about the> word I mentioned). You are right about it. I was actually prompted by> few to but these books by Goswamiji. I am sorry but I was dissapointed.> What it offered was almost more or less what was offered in other books> on Lal Kitab (I have about 30 books on Lalkitab collected over last 20> years). The other books had an upper edge absolutely because they also> explained from the author about the combinations mentioned in the> Lalkitab and the logic of the results and how one must study them etc.> > I think I have already reminded Shri Rajeevji Khattarji (Another well> known exponent of Lal Kitab and a good friend, and also Shri Yogirajji> Prabhakarji a honest and very affectionate person to talk to, to please> publish and author another book which explains everything in our easy to> understand Hindi or English language alongwith examples and> illustrations of charts etc. If they have the time for doing this, only> God knows, but we certainly need more books which explain all this.> otherwise its just not easy to understand Lalkitab.> > Love and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "kulbir"> <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Bhaskar ji;> >> > Firstly they are transliterations; not translations;> > Secondly Your observation // that these books we are talking about are> just very good translations, and one would still require somebody to> explain him, or refer other books to understand these books. This is my> humble opinion on above matter//> >> > I treat this as a opinion of a seasoned person.> > lots of respect> > kulbir> >> > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to> talk> > > to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know> > > through little association with him.> > >> > > With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost> much,> > > just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those> who> > > want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those> who> > > venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very> > > good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain> him,> > > or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble> > > opinion on above matter.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > , deepak sharma> > > <deepak_rptech@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,> > > > Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with> the> > > group.> > > > //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji> was> > > > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the> help> > > of> > > > Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on> > > > internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//> > > > Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are> > > available. Thanks.> > > > Best Regards,> > > > Deepak Sharma> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > kulbir kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM> > > > Re: Lalkitab; a brief> introduction> > > to history> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Santhosh Ji;> > > >> > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books> > > >> > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;> > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:> > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:> > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;> > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in> 1952> > > AD.> > > >> > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of> > > Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri> > > Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is> > > mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .> > > >> > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact> address> > > mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;> > > Dharmshala; Kangra.> > > >> > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti> Ram> > > Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date> of> > > birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts> and> > > retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different> places> > > in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla.> During> > > his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.> > > >> > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first> > > cousins.> > > >> > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small> > > number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage,> pushing> > > Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi> but> > > had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy> of> > > every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance> about> > > other 4 editions.> > > >> > > > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of> bringing> > > out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had> > > copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4> > > parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the> copies> > > didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy> and> > > he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in> > > U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such> contacts> > > and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five> > > original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh,> he> > > has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to> all> > > free of cost.> > > >> > > > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the> > > exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri> but> > > words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no> matched> > > with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been> published> > > by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled> to be> > > released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been> > > published by Yograj ji himself.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Santhosh"> > > santhosh@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1> lac> > > doshas,> > > > > which is stretching it too far.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group,> can> > > you please> > > > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote> it?> > > Was it> > > > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian> traditional> > > > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh'> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf> Of> > > kulbir> > > > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh ji;> > > > >> > > > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.> > > > >> > > > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in> house> > > no 3 and> > > > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born> in a> > > noble,> > > > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual> > > quests than> > > > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow> his> > > interests.> > > > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to> nay> > > extent> > > > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic> field> > > is> > > > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.> > > > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are> > > > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil.> Has> > > to> > > > > struggle against all odds.> > > > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,> > > sometimes> > > > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.> > > > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in> religion> > > and> > > > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing> > > religion.> > > > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some> heart> > > ailment,> > > > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of> > > spirituality, gains> > > > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.> > > > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.> > > > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing> in> > > disguise> > > > > for others.> > > > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of> the> > > > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good> > > moral> > > > > character.> > > > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god> > > gifted and> > > > > of top grade.> > > > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with> a> > > spiritual> > > > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.> > > > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather> > > instrumental in> > > > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age> span> > > of> > > > > 16-19 but not on progeny.> > > > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might> denounce> > > his> > > > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to> > > considerations> > > > > other than financial.> > > > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes> self> > > > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and> > > attains a> > > > > pathetic state.> > > > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the> native> > > has to> > > > > struggle against all odds.> > > > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -> > > short life,> > > > > bad luck> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > kulbir> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Santhosh" <santhosh@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Senthilji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in> > > between> > > > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > [ancient_ indian_> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil> > > > > > nathan> > > > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Girishji> > > > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one> lac> > > doshas> > > > > in> > > > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > Senthil> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Girish menon <horamag@>> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Senthilji> > > > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.> > > > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also> > > > > > Thanks and regards> > > > > > Girish> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > > "groups" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members> > > > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in> law> > > who is> > > > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets> sat(asc> > > lord)> > > > > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in> 12th> > > and> > > > > state> > > > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is> it> > > because> > > > > > JUP in 9th.> > > > > > DETAILS> > > > > > DOB04-08-1970> > > > > > TOB 20.10PM> > > > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD> > > > > >> > > > > > Senthil> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_> 1/*http:/> > > in.. com/>> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_> 1/*http:/> > > in.. com/>> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your > > > > > > Homepage.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release> Date:> > > 12/04/09> > > > > > 01:06:00> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release> Date:> > > 12/05/09> > > > > 01:04:00> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbirji,

 

Thank you very much for taking the trouble

to list out the history of Lal Kitabh. I am sure many were not aware of it ad

it would have been useful knowledge for many members in the forum.

 

//The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab;

Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore,

Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service

tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.//

 

I understand that. Pt. Joshi the author of this book must have been a

very eminent astrologer of his time although he was serving in the civil defense.

 

But is there any information on what texts he would have based his

writing’s on? Do you think it is mostly his experiences and researches as

an astrologer that culminated in this book?

 

Regards and Thanks

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of kulbir

Saturday, December 05, 2009

5:33 PM

 

 

Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

 

 

 

 

 

 

Santhosh Ji;

 

Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

 

1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

 

The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

 

The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore

and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra.

 

The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab;

Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore,

Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service

tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

 

Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first cousins.

 

These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over

the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion.

Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many many mistakes; The

1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it

and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

 

Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala

took on the task of bringing out the true/exact content as published in the

original form. He had copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but

for other 4 parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the

copies didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and

he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who

is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts and divine grace

Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five original editions and with

the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

internet and thereby available to all free of cost.

 

Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the exact

transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but words

remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched with the

original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by Sagar

publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be released on

13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been published by Yograj ji

himself.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

,

" Santhosh " <santhosh wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,

>

>

>

> Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac

doshas,

> which is stretching it too far.

>

>

>

> Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

>

>

>

> Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can you

please

> give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it? Was it

> written in India?

What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Santhosh'

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of kulbir

> Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

>

> Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

>

>

>

>

>

> Santhosh ji;

>

> Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

>

> 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house no 3

and

> 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a noble,

> rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual quests than

> material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

interests.

> He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay extent

> to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field is

> dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has to

> struggle against all odds.

> !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health, sometimes

> extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion and

> spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing religion.

> 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart

ailment,

> but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of spirituality, gains

> recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

disguise

> for others.

> 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good moral

> character.

> 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god gifted and

> of top grade.

> 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

spiritual

> bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather instrumental

in

> the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span of

> 16-19 but not on progeny.

> 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce his

> religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

considerations

> other than financial.

> 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and attains a

> pathetic state.

> 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native has to

> struggle against all odds.

> 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad - short

life,

> bad luck

>

> Regards

> kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology ,

" Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Senthilji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> >

> > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

between

> > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > Santhosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ]

On Behalf Of senthil

> > nathan

> > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Girishji

> > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac

doshas

> in

> > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> >

> > Senthil

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Senthilji

> > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > Thanks and regards

> > Girish

> >

> > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT)

co.in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com>

> > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear members

> > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law who

is

> > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc lord)

> > ven(4th & 9th),10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in

12th and

> state

> > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it

because

> > JUP in 9th.

> > DETAILS

> > DOB04-08-1970

> > TOB 20.10PM

> > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> >

> > Senthil

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage

> > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your

 

> > Homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date:

12/04/09

> > 01:06:00

> >

>

>

>

>

> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release 12/05/09

> 01:04:00

>

 

 

 

 

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.96/2549 - Release 12/07/09 01:07:00

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bhaskar Ji,

 

You can intervene anytime as may any other

member of the group.

 

I am actually trying to place LK in

perspective. “telepathy or astral powers??” now this is confusing

me further. Even Mihiracharya said his knowledge flows from masters before him

and not telepathy. Is there some missing piece somewhere are am I missing

something?

 

My argument is that someone in the 19-20th

century just cannot start writing a book on astrology in such depth without basing

it on any scriptures before him. The fact that is being avidly following in

many circles shows that it has some substance to it and that it is not just imaginations.

Trying to explore further…

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

Monday, December 07, 2009

12:53 PM

 

Subject:

Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh ji,

 

Sorry for intervening. If I am not mistaken, Shri Joshi ji was not into

astrology or any research as such previous to the Lal Kitab. This

knowledge too was given to him through telepathy or some astral powers .

 

regards/Bhasar.

 

strology ,

" Santhosh " <santhosh wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for taking the trouble to list out the history of

Lal

> Kitabh. I am sure many were not aware of it ad it would have been

useful

> knowledge for many members in the forum.

>

>

>

> //The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

Ram

> Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab;

Date

of

> birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

> retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different

places in

> India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay,

Madras, Ambala,

Shimla. During

his

> service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.//

>

>

>

> I understand that. Pt. Joshi the author of this book must have been a

very

> eminent astrologer of his time although he was serving in the civil

defense.

>

>

>

> But is there any information on what texts he would have based his

writing's

> on? Do you think it is mostly his experiences and researches as an

> astrologer that culminated in this book?

>

>

>

> Regards and Thanks

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of kulbir

> Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:33 PM

>

> Re: Lalkitab; a brief

introduction

to

> history

Santhosh Ji;

>

> Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

>

> 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

AD.

>

> The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

Pharwala

> depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram

Sharma

> resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

> calighrapher, composer script-writter).

>

> The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

> mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar;

Calcutta Photo Shop;

> Dharmshala; Kangra.

>

> The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi

> resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab;

Date of

birth

> 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as

> Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India

e.g

> Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay,

Madras, Ambala,

Shimla. During his service

> tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

>

> Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

cousins.

>

> These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

number.

> Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu

into

> oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many

many

> mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who

laid

> his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

>

> Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala

took on the task of bringing

out

> the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had copy

of

> 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4 parts he

had to

> struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies didn't want to

share

> it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and he was able to

establish

> contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who is a family

friend of

> Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji

was

> able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help

of Shri

> Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh,

he has uploaded all these books on internet

and

> thereby available to all free of cost.

>

> Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

exact

> transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but

words

> remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched with

the

> original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by Sagar

> publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be

released on

> 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been published by

Yograj ji

> himself.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology ,

" Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac

> doshas,

> > which is stretching it too far.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> >

> >

> >

> > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can

you

> please

> > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it?

Was it

> > written in India?

What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > Santhosh'

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ]

On Behalf Of kulbir

> > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Santhosh ji;

> >

> > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> >

> > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house

no 3

> and

> > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a

noble,

> > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

quests than

> > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

> interests.

> > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay

extent

> > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field

is

> > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has

to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

sometimes

> > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion

and

> > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

religion.

> > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart

> ailment,

> > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

spirituality,

> gains

> > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

> disguise

> > for others.

> > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

moral

> > character.

> > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

gifted and

> > of top grade.

> > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

> spiritual

> > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

instrumental

> in

> > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span

of

> > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce

his

> > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> considerations

> > other than financial.

> > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

attains a

> > pathetic state.

> > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native

has to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

short

> life,

> > bad luck

> >

> > Regards

> > kulbir

> >

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com,

> " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > >

> > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

between

> > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

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> Of senthil

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> > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

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> > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Girishji

> > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one

lac

doshas

> > in

> > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > >

> > > Senthil

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

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> > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji

> > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Girish

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Bhaskar Ji; Congratulations; You have reserved your place in annals of lalkitab;while erecting the kundalis for your varshphal; i came across a serious misprint; in the original versions of 1941; 1942 and 1952 editions, regarding the calculation of minute kundali; this misprint remained unnoticed until now and was carried on as such in the transliterations too by both Prabhakar ji and Goswami ji;the kundali printed on page 363 of 1941 edition is misprinted to be for 25th minute; while actually it is for 45th minute;the same misprint was carried on page 89 of 1942 and page 221 of 1952 edition.Thanks a lot,RegardsKulbir. What an amazing coincidence, the day chart for today i.e. 7-12-2009 coincides with the your varashphal chart.Your 49th year started on 28-6-2009; the current period is 6th month from 28-11-2009 to 28-12- 2009. 7-12-2009 is the 10th day of your 6th month.Step1;

place planets in the chart according to running age according to

varshphal sarani of lalkitab. this gives you annual chart. step 2;

place sun in the house no coinciding with the number of month you want

the chart for; and place the other planets with respect to sun as

placed in varshphal kundali.step 3; for daily chart; mars in that

month's chart will represent day one, for day 2; move mars one house

further and monthly kundali's other planets also.This way your annual chart for 49th year that started on 28-6-2009 is;First house -Mars , RahuSecond house- Saturn, Jupiter,Third house- Sun, MercuryEightieth house - Ketu,Eleventh house - Venus,Twelfth house - Moon.For current month chart you are running 6th month of your varshphal; i.e. from 28-11-2009-28-12-2009.so we move sun to 6th house and the monthly chart comes out to beSixth house - Sun, MercuryTwelfth house - KetuSecond house -VenusThird house - MoonFourth house - Mars, Rahu,Fifth house- Saturn, Jupiter.Today i.e. 7-12-2009 is the 10th day of your 6th month;so we move mars in your 6th monthly kundali ten houses;mars reaches first house and planets placed accordinglyFirst house -Mars , Rahu

Second house- saturn, jupiter,

Third house- sun, mercury

eigthth house - ketu,

eleventh house - venus,

twelfth house - moon.Regards

Kulbir BainsRegards

Kulbir Bains---------- Original message ----------Bhaskar< bhaskar_jyotish >07 Dec 09 15:33:49 Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

I am well versant with this site and its owner. The monthly chart does

not work there , I mean does not appear. Which is why I requested you

for two samples.

 

I will await your detailed notes eagerly Sir.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, "kulbir"

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Respected Bhaskar ji;

>

> As far as calculative part is concerned;

>

> The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be prepared at free on

line software link;-

>

> http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp;

>

> About application part; i shall send in a detailed note.

>

> Respect and Regards

> Kulbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

First of all let me thank you for spending time on a person like me. I

will be going through your mails in details tomorrow and reply you with

doubts if any. In the meanwhile please let me know whether this recent

revelation you wrote about, makes any difference to the statistics you

have given in your previous mails about me with regards to varshaphala

or Monthly chart ?

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " kulbir bains "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Bhaskar Ji; Congratulations; You have reserved your place in annals of

lalkitab;while erecting the kundalis for your varshphal; i came across a

serious misprint; in the original versions of 1941; 1942 and 1952

editions, regarding the calculation of minute kundali; this misprint

remained unnoticed until now and was carried on as such in the

transliterations too by both Prabhakar ji and Goswami ji;the kundali

printed on page 363 of 1941 edition is misprinted to be for 25th minute;

while actually it is for 45th minute;the same misprint was carried on

page 89 of 1942 and page 221 of 1952 edition.Thanks a lot,RegardsKulbir.

What an amazing coincidence, the day chart for today i.e. 7122009

coincides with the your varashphal chart.Your 49th year started on

2862009; the current period is 6th month from 28112009 to 2812 2009.

7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month.Step1; place planets in the

chart according to running age according to varshphal sarani of

lalkitab. this gives you a

> nnual chart. step 2; place sun in the house no coinciding with the

number of month you want the chart for; and place the other planets with

respect to sun as placed in varshphal kundali.step 3; for daily chart;

mars in that month's chart will represent day one, for day 2; move mars

one house further and monthly kundali's other planets also.This way your

annual chart for 49th year that started on 2862009is;First house Mars ,

RahuSecond house Saturn, Jupiter,Third houseSun, MercuryEightieth house

Ketu,Eleventh house Venus,Twelfth house Moon.For current month chart you

are running 6th month of your varshphal; i.e. from 2811200928122009.so

we move sun to 6th house and the monthly chart comes out to beSixth

house Sun, MercuryTwelfth house KetuSecond house VenusThird house

MoonFourth house Mars, Rahu,Fifth house Saturn, Jupiter.Today i.e.

7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month;so we move mars in your 6th

monthly kundali ten houses;mars reaches first house and planets pla

> ced accordinglyFirst house Mars , Rahu Second house saturn, jupiter,

Third housesun, mercury eigthth house ketu, eleventh house venus,

twelfth house moon.Regards Kulbir BainsRegards Kulbir Bains Original

message Bhaskar< bhaskarjyotish >07 Dec 09

15:33:49Subject:[nastrology] Re: Lalkitab; abrief

introduction to historynastrology Dear

Kulbir ji,I am well versant with this site and its owner. The monthly

chart does not work there , I mean does not appear. Which is why I

requested you for two samples.I will await your detailed notes eagerly

Sir.regards,Bhaskar. In nastrology ,

" kulbir " wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar ji; > > As far as calculative part

is concerned; > > The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be

prepared at free on line software link; > >

http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp; > > About application part;

i shall send in a detailed note. > > Respect and Regard

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[Guest guest]

Bhaskar ji; you are revered person;

anybody with saturn, jupiter combination is very special for me;

plus there are some other reasons also.

This revelation is applicable to minute kundali.

i calculated the month kundali and day kundali so this has no implication;

whatsoever on it.

Regards

Kulbir

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> First of all let me thank you for spending time on a person like me. I

> will be going through your mails in details tomorrow and reply you with

> doubts if any. In the meanwhile please let me know whether this recent

> revelation you wrote about, makes any difference to the statistics you

> have given in your previous mails about me with regards to varshaphala

> or Monthly chart ?

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " kulbir bains "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar Ji; Congratulations; You have reserved your place in annals of

> lalkitab;while erecting the kundalis for your varshphal; i came across a

> serious misprint; in the original versions of 1941; 1942 and 1952

> editions, regarding the calculation of minute kundali; this misprint

> remained unnoticed until now and was carried on as such in the

> transliterations too by both Prabhakar ji and Goswami ji;the kundali

> printed on page 363 of 1941 edition is misprinted to be for 25th minute;

> while actually it is for 45th minute;the same misprint was carried on

> page 89 of 1942 and page 221 of 1952 edition.Thanks a lot,RegardsKulbir.

> What an amazing coincidence, the day chart for today i.e. 7122009

> coincides with the your varashphal chart.Your 49th year started on

> 2862009; the current period is 6th month from 28112009 to 2812 2009.

> 7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month.Step1; place planets in the

> chart according to running age according to varshphal sarani of

> lalkitab. this gives you a

> > nnual chart. step 2; place sun in the house no coinciding with the

> number of month you want the chart for; and place the other planets with

> respect to sun as placed in varshphal kundali.step 3; for daily chart;

> mars in that month's chart will represent day one, for day 2; move mars

> one house further and monthly kundali's other planets also.This way your

> annual chart for 49th year that started on 2862009is;First house Mars ,

> RahuSecond house Saturn, Jupiter,Third houseSun, MercuryEightieth house

> Ketu,Eleventh house Venus,Twelfth house Moon.For current month chart you

> are running 6th month of your varshphal; i.e. from 2811200928122009.so

> we move sun to 6th house and the monthly chart comes out to beSixth

> house Sun, MercuryTwelfth house KetuSecond house VenusThird house

> MoonFourth house Mars, Rahu,Fifth house Saturn, Jupiter.Today i.e.

> 7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month;so we move mars in your 6th

> monthly kundali ten houses;mars reaches first house and planets pla

> > ced accordinglyFirst house Mars , Rahu Second house saturn, jupiter,

> Third housesun, mercury eigthth house ketu, eleventh house venus,

> twelfth house moon.Regards Kulbir BainsRegards Kulbir Bains Original

> message Bhaskar< bhaskarjyotish@ >07 Dec 09

> 15:33:49Subject:[nastrology] Re: Lalkitab; abrief

> introduction to historynastrology Dear

> Kulbir ji,I am well versant with this site and its owner. The monthly

> chart does not work there , I mean does not appear. Which is why I

> requested you for two samples.I will await your detailed notes eagerly

> Sir.regards,Bhaskar. In nastrology ,

> " kulbir " wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar ji; > > As far as calculative part

> is concerned; > > The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be

> prepared at free on line software link; > >

> http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp; > > About application part;

> i shall send in a detailed note. > > Respect and Regard

> > s > Kulbir > .,. Reply to sender |Reply to group Messages in this

> topic (85) Recent Activity:New Members 21 New Links 1 Visit Your Group

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

I have checked the Varshaphala Chart and the monthly chart and they are in

Order. Thanks for the same. Thanks also for allowing me the right knowledge of

preparing the monthly chart by taking pains to mention the planetary positions

and Lagna for the same.

 

Now some queries -

 

1) What remedial measures must one take to ? Should they be related to the Birth

Chart, or the Natal Chart ?

 

2) what if the Birth chart remedial measures say something to be done while the

Varshaphala chart mentions to the contrary for that particular year ?

 

3) Monthly chart what is the basis to study ? I mean how much in details should

we study this ? Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face

in his Life ? What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> >

> > First of all let me thank you for spending time on a person like me. I

> > will be going through your mails in details tomorrow and reply you with

> > doubts if any. In the meanwhile please let me know whether this recent

> > revelation you wrote about, makes any difference to the statistics you

> > have given in your previous mails about me with regards to varshaphala

> > or Monthly chart ?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , " kulbir bains "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar Ji; Congratulations; You have reserved your place in annals of

> > lalkitab;while erecting the kundalis for your varshphal; i came across a

> > serious misprint; in the original versions of 1941; 1942 and 1952

> > editions, regarding the calculation of minute kundali; this misprint

> > remained unnoticed until now and was carried on as such in the

> > transliterations too by both Prabhakar ji and Goswami ji;the kundali

> > printed on page 363 of 1941 edition is misprinted to be for 25th minute;

> > while actually it is for 45th minute;the same misprint was carried on

> > page 89 of 1942 and page 221 of 1952 edition.Thanks a lot,RegardsKulbir.

> > What an amazing coincidence, the day chart for today i.e. 7122009

> > coincides with the your varashphal chart.Your 49th year started on

> > 2862009; the current period is 6th month from 28112009 to 2812 2009.

> > 7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month.Step1; place planets in the

> > chart according to running age according to varshphal sarani of

> > lalkitab. this gives you a

> > > nnual chart. step 2; place sun in the house no coinciding with the

> > number of month you want the chart for; and place the other planets with

> > respect to sun as placed in varshphal kundali.step 3; for daily chart;

> > mars in that month's chart will represent day one, for day 2; move mars

> > one house further and monthly kundali's other planets also.This way your

> > annual chart for 49th year that started on 2862009is;First house Mars ,

> > RahuSecond house Saturn, Jupiter,Third houseSun, MercuryEightieth house

> > Ketu,Eleventh house Venus,Twelfth house Moon.For current month chart you

> > are running 6th month of your varshphal; i.e. from 2811200928122009.so

> > we move sun to 6th house and the monthly chart comes out to beSixth

> > house Sun, MercuryTwelfth house KetuSecond house VenusThird house

> > MoonFourth house Mars, Rahu,Fifth house Saturn, Jupiter.Today i.e.

> > 7122009 is the 10th day of your 6th month;so we move mars in your 6th

> > monthly kundali ten houses;mars reaches first house and planets pla

> > > ced accordinglyFirst house Mars , Rahu Second house saturn, jupiter,

> > Third housesun, mercury eigthth house ketu, eleventh house venus,

> > twelfth house moon.Regards Kulbir BainsRegards Kulbir Bains Original

> > message Bhaskar< bhaskarjyotish@ >07 Dec 09

> > 15:33:49Subject:[nastrology] Re: Lalkitab; abrief

> > introduction to historynastrology Dear

> > Kulbir ji,I am well versant with this site and its owner. The monthly

> > chart does not work there , I mean does not appear. Which is why I

> > requested you for two samples.I will await your detailed notes eagerly

> > Sir.regards,Bhaskar. In nastrology ,

> > " kulbir " wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar ji; > > As far as calculative part

> > is concerned; > > The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be

> > prepared at free on line software link; > >

> > http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp; > > About application part;

> > i shall send in a detailed note. > > Respect and Regard

> > > s > Kulbir > .,. Reply to sender |Reply to group Messages in this

> > topic (85) Recent Activity:New Members 21 New Links 1 Visit Your Group

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> >

>