Lalkitab; a brief introduction to history

December 5, 2009

Santhosh Ji;

Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is

of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra.

The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first cousins.

These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over

the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion.

Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many many mistakes; The

1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and

it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of bringing out the

true/exact content as published in the original form. He had copy of 1952

original edition and was ready to share but for other 4 parts he had to struggle

a lot as the people who possessed the copies didn't want to share it.

Fortunately internet technology came handy and he was able to establish contact

with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji.

Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get

hold of all the five original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of

Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to

all free of cost.

Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the exact

transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but words remained

same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched with the original

works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by Sagar publications and

the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be released on 13-12-2009. 1941

edition's transliteration has been published by Yograj ji himself.

Regards

Kulbir

, " Santhosh " <santhosh

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,

>

> Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac doshas,

> which is stretching it too far.

>

> Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

>

> Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can you please

> give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it? Was it

> written in India? What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

>

> Regards

>

> Santhosh'

>

_____

>

> On Behalf Of kulbir

> Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

>

> Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

>

> Santhosh ji;

>

> Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

>

> 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house no 3 and

> 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a noble,

> rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual quests than

> material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his interests.

> He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay extent

> to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field is

> dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has to

> struggle against all odds.

> !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health, sometimes

> extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion and

> spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing religion.

> 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart ailment,

> but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of spirituality, gains

> recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in disguise

> for others.

> 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good moral

> character.

> 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god gifted and

> of top grade.

> 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a spiritual

> bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather instrumental in

> the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span of

> 16-19 but not on progeny.

> 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce his

> religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to considerations

> other than financial.

> 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and attains a

> pathetic state.

> 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native has to

> struggle against all odds.

> 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad - short life,

> bad luck

>

> Regards

> kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology , " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Senthilji,

> >

> > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> >

> > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in between

> > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Santhosh

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ] On Behalf Of senthil

> > nathan

> > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> >

> > Girishji

> > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac doshas

> in

> > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> >

> > Senthil

> >

> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> >

> > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> >

> > Dear Senthilji

> > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > Thanks and regards

> > Girish

> >

> > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> > senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> >

> > Dear members

> > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law who is

> > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc lord)

> > ven(4th & 9th),10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in 12th and

> state

> > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it because

> > JUP in 9th.

> > DETAILS

> > DOB04-08-1970

> > TOB 20.10PM

> > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> >

> > Senthil

> >

> > _____

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage

> > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> .

> >

> > _____

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your

> > Homepage.

> >

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December 5, 2009

Dear All,

Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to talk

to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know

through little association with him.

With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost much,

just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those who

want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those who

venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very

good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain him,

or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble

opinion on above matter.

regards/Bhaskar.

, deepak sharma

<deepak_rptech wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

> Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with the

group.

> //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji was

> able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help

of

> Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

> internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//

> Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are

available. Thanks.

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> ________________________________

> kulbir kulbirbains

>

> Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM

> Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction

to history

>

> Santhosh Ji;

>

> Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

>

> 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

AD.

>

> The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri

Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is

mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .

>

> The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

Dharmshala; Kangra.

>

> The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of

birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places

in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During

his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

>

> Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

cousins.

>

> These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing

Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but

had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of

every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about

other 4 editions.

>

> Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of bringing

out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had

copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4

parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies

didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and

he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in

U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts

and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five

original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he

has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to all

free of cost.

>

> Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but

words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched

with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published

by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be

released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been

published by Yograj ji himself.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Santhosh "

santhosh@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,

> >

> > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac

doshas,

> > which is stretching it too far.

> >

> > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> >

> > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can

you please

> > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it?

Was it

> > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Santhosh'

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of

kulbir

> > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> >

> > Santhosh ji;

> >

> > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> >

> > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house

no 3 and

> > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a

noble,

> > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

quests than

> > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

interests.

> > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay

extent

> > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field

is

> > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has

to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

sometimes

> > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion

and

> > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

religion.

> > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart

ailment,

> > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

spirituality, gains

> > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

disguise

> > for others.

> > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

moral

> > character.

> > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

gifted and

> > of top grade.

> > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

spiritual

> > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

instrumental in

> > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span

of

> > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce

his

> > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

considerations

> > other than financial.

> > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

attains a

> > pathetic state.

> > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native

has to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

short life,

> > bad luck

> >

> > Regards

> > kulbir

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

%40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com, " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji,

> > >

> > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > >

> > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

between

> > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

%40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > [ancient_ indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil

> > > nathan

> > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

%40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > >

> > > Girishji

> > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac

doshas

> > in

> > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > >

> > > Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

%40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji

> > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Girish

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law

who is

> > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc

lord)

> > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in 12th

and

> > state

> > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it

because

> > > JUP in 9th.

> > > DETAILS

> > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > >

> > > Senthil

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage

> > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/

in.. com/>

> > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/

in.. com/>

> > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your

> > > Homepage.

> > >

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>

December 5, 2009

Bhaskar ji;

Firstly they are transliterations; not translations;

Secondly Your observation // that these books we are talking about are just very

good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain him, or

refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble opinion on above

matter//

I treat this as a opinion of a seasoned person.

lots of respect

kulbir

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to talk

> to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know

> through little association with him.

>

> With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost much,

> just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those who

> want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those who

> venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very

> good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain him,

> or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble

> opinion on above matter.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , deepak sharma

> <deepak_rptech@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with the

> group.

> > //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji was

> > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help

> of

> > Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

> > internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//

> > Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are

> available. Thanks.

> > Best Regards,

> > Deepak Sharma

> >

> > ________________________________

> > kulbir kulbirbains@

> >

> > Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM

> > Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction

> to history

> >

> > Santhosh Ji;

> >

> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> >

> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

> AD.

> >

> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

> Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri

> Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is

> mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .

> >

> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

> mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

> Dharmshala; Kangra.

> >

> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

> Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of

> birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

> retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places

> in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During

> his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

> >

> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

> cousins.

> >

> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

> number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing

> Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but

> had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of

> every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about

> other 4 editions.

> >

> > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of bringing

> out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had

> copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4

> parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies

> didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and

> he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in

> U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts

> and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five

> original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he

> has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to all

> free of cost.

> >

> > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

> exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but

> words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched

> with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published

> by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be

> released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been

> published by Yograj ji himself.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Santhosh "

> santhosh@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac

> doshas,

> > > which is stretching it too far.

> > >

> > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> > >

> > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can

> you please

> > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it?

> Was it

> > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Santhosh'

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of

> kulbir

> > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > >

> > > Santhosh ji;

> > >

> > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> > >

> > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house

> no 3 and

> > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a

> noble,

> > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

> quests than

> > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

> interests.

> > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay

> extent

> > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field

> is

> > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has

> to

> > > struggle against all odds.

> > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

> sometimes

> > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion

> and

> > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

> religion.

> > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart

> ailment,

> > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

> spirituality, gains

> > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

> disguise

> > > for others.

> > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

> moral

> > > character.

> > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

> gifted and

> > > of top grade.

> > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

> spiritual

> > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

> instrumental in

> > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span

> of

> > > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce

> his

> > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> considerations

> > > other than financial.

> > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

> attains a

> > > pathetic state.

> > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native

> has to

> > > struggle against all odds.

> > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

> short life,

> > > bad luck

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > kulbir

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Senthilji,

> > > >

> > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > > >

> > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

> between

> > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > [ancient_ indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil

> > > > nathan

> > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > >

> > > > Girishji

> > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac

> doshas

> > > in

> > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Senthilji

> > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Girish

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear members

> > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law

> who is

> > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc

> lord)

> > > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in 12th

> and

> > > state

> > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it

> because

> > > > JUP in 9th.

> > > > DETAILS

> > > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > > >

> > > > Senthil

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> Homepage

> > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/

> in.. com/>

> > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/

> in.. com/>

> > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your

> > > > Homepage.

> > > >

> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date:

> 12/04/09

> > > > 01:06:00

> > > >

> > >

> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date:

> 12/05/09

> > > 01:04:00

> > >

> >

>

December 5, 2009

Dear Shri Kulbir ji,

I am actually not very good in English. I have accepted this a number of

times. Thanks for reminding me about this particular fact (about the

word I mentioned). You are right about it. I was actually prompted by

few to but these books by Goswamiji. I am sorry but I was dissapointed.

What it offered was almost more or less what was offered in other books

on Lal Kitab (I have about 30 books on Lalkitab collected over last 20

years). The other books had an upper edge absolutely because they also

explained from the author about the combinations mentioned in the

Lalkitab and the logic of the results and how one must study them etc.

I think I have already reminded Shri Rajeevji Khattarji (Another well

known exponent of Lal Kitab and a good friend, and also Shri Yogirajji

Prabhakarji a honest and very affectionate person to talk to, to please

publish and author another book which explains everything in our easy to

understand Hindi or English language alongwith examples and

illustrations of charts etc. If they have the time for doing this, only

God knows, but we certainly need more books which explain all this.

otherwise its just not easy to understand Lalkitab.

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " kulbir "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji;

>

> Firstly they are transliterations; not translations;

> Secondly Your observation // that these books we are talking about are

just very good translations, and one would still require somebody to

explain him, or refer other books to understand these books. This is my

humble opinion on above matter//

>

> I treat this as a opinion of a seasoned person.

> lots of respect

> kulbir

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to

talk

> > to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know

> > through little association with him.

> >

> > With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost

much,

> > just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those

who

> > want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those

who

> > venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very

> > good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain

him,

> > or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble

> > opinion on above matter.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , deepak sharma

> > <deepak_rptech@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > > Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with

the

> > group.

> > > //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji

was

> > > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the

help

> > of

> > > Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

> > > internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//

> > > Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are

> > available. Thanks.

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Deepak Sharma

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > kulbir kulbirbains@

> > >

> > > Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM

> > > Re: Lalkitab; a brief

introduction

> > to history

> > >

> > > Santhosh Ji;

> > >

> > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > >

> > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in

1952

> > AD.

> > >

> > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

> > Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri

> > Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is

> > mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .

> > >

> > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact

address

> > mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

> > Dharmshala; Kangra.

> > >

> > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

Ram

> > Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date

of

> > birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts

and

> > retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different

places

> > in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla.

During

> > his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > >

> > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

> > cousins.

> > >

> > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

> > number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage,

pushing

> > Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi

but

> > had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy

of

> > every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance

about

> > other 4 editions.

> > >

> > > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of

bringing

> > out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had

> > copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4

> > parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the

copies

> > didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy

and

> > he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in

> > U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such

contacts

> > and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five

> > original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh,

he

> > has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to

all

> > free of cost.

> > >

> > > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

> > exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri

but

> > words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no

matched

> > with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been

published

> > by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled

to be

> > released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been

> > published by Yograj ji himself.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Santhosh "

> > santhosh@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1

lac

> > doshas,

> > > > which is stretching it too far.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group,

can

> > you please

> > > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote

it?

> > Was it

> > > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian

traditional

> > > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh'

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf

Of

> > kulbir

> > > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh ji;

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> > > >

> > > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in

house

> > no 3 and

> > > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born

in a

> > noble,

> > > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

> > quests than

> > > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow

his

> > interests.

> > > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to

nay

> > extent

> > > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic

field

> > is

> > > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil.

Has

> > to

> > > > struggle against all odds.

> > > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

> > sometimes

> > > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in

religion

> > and

> > > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

> > religion.

> > > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some

heart

> > ailment,

> > > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

> > spirituality, gains

> > > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing

in

> > disguise

> > > > for others.

> > > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of

the

> > > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

> > moral

> > > > character.

> > > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

> > gifted and

> > > > of top grade.

> > > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with

a

> > spiritual

> > > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

> > instrumental in

> > > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age

span

> > of

> > > > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might

denounce

> > his

> > > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> > considerations

> > > > other than financial.

> > > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes

self

> > > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

> > attains a

> > > > pathetic state.

> > > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the

native

> > has to

> > > > struggle against all odds.

> > > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

> > short life,

> > > > bad luck

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > kulbir

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > %40. com>

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Senthilji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

> > between

> > > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > %40. com>

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > [ancient_ indian_

> > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil

> > > > > nathan

> > > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > %40. com>

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > >

> > > > > Girishji

> > > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one

lac

> > doshas

> > > > in

> > > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Senthil

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > %40. com>

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Senthilji

> > > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Girish

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members

> > > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in

law

> > who is

> > > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets

sat(asc

> > lord)

> > > > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in

12th

> > and

> > > > state

> > > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is

it

> > because

> > > > > JUP in 9th.

> > > > > DETAILS

> > > > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > > > >

> > > > > Senthil

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > Homepage

> > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_

1/*http:/

> > in.. com/>

> > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_

1/*http:/

> > in.. com/>

> > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your

> > > > > Homepage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release

Date:

> > 12/04/09

> > > > > 01:06:00

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release

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> > 12/05/09

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 5, 2009

Pl read as -

I was actually prompted by few to buy these books by Goswamiji.

rgrds/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Kulbir ji,> > I am actually not very good in English. I have accepted this a number of> times. Thanks for reminding me about this particular fact (about the> word I mentioned). You are right about it. I was actually prompted by> few to but these books by Goswamiji. I am sorry but I was dissapointed.> What it offered was almost more or less what was offered in other books> on Lal Kitab (I have about 30 books on Lalkitab collected over last 20> years). The other books had an upper edge absolutely because they also> explained from the author about the combinations mentioned in the> Lalkitab and the logic of the results and how one must study them etc.> > I think I have already reminded Shri Rajeevji Khattarji (Another well> known exponent of Lal Kitab and a good friend, and also Shri Yogirajji> Prabhakarji a honest and very affectionate person to talk to, to please> publish and author another book which explains everything in our easy to> understand Hindi or English language alongwith examples and> illustrations of charts etc. If they have the time for doing this, only> God knows, but we certainly need more books which explain all this.> otherwise its just not easy to understand Lalkitab.> > Love and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "kulbir"> kulbirbains@ wrote:> >> > Bhaskar ji;> >> > Firstly they are transliterations; not translations;> > Secondly Your observation // that these books we are talking about are> just very good translations, and one would still require somebody to> explain him, or refer other books to understand these books. This is my> humble opinion on above matter//> >> > I treat this as a opinion of a seasoned person.> > lots of respect> > kulbir> >> > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to> talk> > > to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know> > > through little association with him.> > >> > > With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost> much,> > > just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those> who> > > want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those> who> > > venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very> > > good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain> him,> > > or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble> > > opinion on above matter.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > , deepak sharma> > > <deepak_rptech@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,> > > > Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with> the> > > group.> > > > //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji> was> > > > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the> help> > > of> > > > Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on> > > > internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//> > > > Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are> > > available. Thanks.> > > > Best Regards,> > > > Deepak Sharma> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > kulbir kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM> > > > Re: Lalkitab; a brief> introduction> > > to history> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Santhosh Ji;> > > >> > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books> > > >> > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;> > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:> > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:> > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;> > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in> 1952> > > AD.> > > >> > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of> > > Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri> > > Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is> > > mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .> > > >> > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact> address> > > mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;> > > Dharmshala; Kangra.> > > >> > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti> Ram> > > Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date> of> > > birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts> and> > > retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different> places> > > in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla.> During> > > his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.> > > >> > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first> > > cousins.> > > >> > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small> > > number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage,> pushing> > > Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi> but> > > had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy> of> > > every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance> about> > > other 4 editions.> > > >> > > > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of> bringing> > > out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had> > > copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4> > > parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the> copies> > > didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy> and> > > he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in> > > U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such> contacts> > > and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five> > > original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh,> he> > > has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to> all> > > free of cost.> > > >> > > > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the> > > exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri> but> > > words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no> matched> > > with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been> published> > > by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled> to be> > > released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been> > > published by Yograj ji himself.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Santhosh"> > > santhosh@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1> lac> > > doshas,> > > > > which is stretching it too far.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group,> can> > > you please> > > > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote> it?> > > Was it> > > > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian> traditional> > > > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh'> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf> Of> > > kulbir> > > > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh ji;> > > > >> > > > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.> > > > >> > > > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in> house> > > no 3 and> > > > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born> in a> > > noble,> > > > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual> > > quests than> > > > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow> his> > > interests.> > > > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to> nay> > > extent> > > > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic> field> > > is> > > > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.> > > > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are> > > > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil.> Has> > > to> > > > > struggle against all odds.> > > > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,> > > sometimes> > > > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.> > > > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in> religion> > > and> > > > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing> > > religion.> > > > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some> heart> > > ailment,> > > > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of> > > spirituality, gains> > > > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.> > > > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.> > > > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing> in> > > disguise> > > > > for others.> > > > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of> the> > > > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good> > > moral> > > > > character.> > > > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god> > > gifted and> > > > > of top grade.> > > > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with> a> > > spiritual> > > > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.> > > > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather> > > instrumental in> > > > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age> span> > > of> > > > > 16-19 but not on progeny.> > > > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might> denounce> > > his> > > > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to> > > considerations> > > > > other than financial.> > > > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes> self> > > > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and> > > attains a> > > > > pathetic state.> > > > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the> native> > > has to> > > > > struggle against all odds.> > > > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -> > > short life,> > > > > bad luck> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > kulbir> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Santhosh" <santhosh@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Senthilji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in> > > between> > > > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > [ancient_ indian_> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil> > > > > > nathan> > > > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Girishji> > > > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one> lac> > > doshas> > > > > in> > > > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > Senthil> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Girish menon <horamag@>> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology> > > %40. com>> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com> > > > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Senthilji> > > > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.> > > > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also> > > > > > Thanks and regards> > > > > > Girish> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE> > > > > > "groups" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members> > > > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in> law> > > who is> > > > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets> sat(asc> > > lord)> > > > > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in> 12th> > > and> > > > > state> > > > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is> it> > > because> > > > > > JUP in 9th.> > > > > > DETAILS> > > > > > DOB04-08-1970> > > > > > TOB 20.10PM> > > > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD> > > > > >> > > > > > Senthil> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_> 1/*http:/> > > in.. com/>> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_> 1/*http:/> > > in.. com/>> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your > > > > > > Homepage.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release> Date:> > > 12/04/09> > > > > > 01:06:00> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release> Date:> > > 12/05/09> > > > > 01:04:00> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

December 5, 2009

Bhaskar ji;

we have just crossed the first stage i.e. collecting undiluted material;

with yours and members of this hon'ble forum's blessings and guidance god

willing next steps will follow;

just need your goodwill, support and blessings;

Regards

Kulbir

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Kulbir ji,

>

> I am actually not very good in English. I have accepted this a number of

> times. Thanks for reminding me about this particular fact (about the

> word I mentioned). You are right about it. I was actually prompted by

> few to but these books by Goswamiji. I am sorry but I was dissapointed.

> What it offered was almost more or less what was offered in other books

> on Lal Kitab (I have about 30 books on Lalkitab collected over last 20

> years). The other books had an upper edge absolutely because they also

> explained from the author about the combinations mentioned in the

> Lalkitab and the logic of the results and how one must study them etc.

>

> I think I have already reminded Shri Rajeevji Khattarji (Another well

> known exponent of Lal Kitab and a good friend, and also Shri Yogirajji

> Prabhakarji a honest and very affectionate person to talk to, to please

> publish and author another book which explains everything in our easy to

> understand Hindi or English language alongwith examples and

> illustrations of charts etc. If they have the time for doing this, only

> God knows, but we certainly need more books which explain all this.

> otherwise its just not easy to understand Lalkitab.

>

> Love and regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar ji;

> >

> > Firstly they are transliterations; not translations;

> > Secondly Your observation // that these books we are talking about are

> just very good translations, and one would still require somebody to

> explain him, or refer other books to understand these books. This is my

> humble opinion on above matter//

> >

> > I treat this as a opinion of a seasoned person.

> > lots of respect

> > kulbir

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Shri Prabhakar ji is a great man, and also a very humble person to

> talk

> > > to with very good knowledge and command over languages, as I know

> > > through little association with him.

> > >

> > > With regards to books published by Shri Goswamiji they do not cost

> much,

> > > just about Rs.1200- and nearabout, and hard copy is good for those

> who

> > > want to pursue the knowledge of Lalkitab, but let me inform those

> who

> > > venture in this, that these books we are talking about are just very

> > > good translations, and one would still require somebody to explain

> him,

> > > or refer other books to understand these books. This is my humble

> > > opinion on above matter.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , deepak sharma

> > > <deepak_rptech@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > > > Thanks for the valuable knowledge that you've been sharing with

> the

> > > group.

> > > > //Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji

> was

> > > > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the

> help

> > > of

> > > > Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on

> > > > internet and thereby available to all free of cost.//

> > > > Can you provide the web link where all five original editions are

> > > available. Thanks.

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Deepak Sharma

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > kulbir kulbirbains@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, December 5, 2009 5:32:43 PM

> > > > Re: Lalkitab; a brief

> introduction

> > > to history

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh Ji;

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > >

> > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in

> 1952

> > > AD.

> > > >

> > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

> > > Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri

> > > Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is

> > > mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter) .

> > > >

> > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact

> address

> > > mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

> > > Dharmshala; Kangra.

> > > >

> > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

> Ram

> > > Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date

> of

> > > birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts

> and

> > > retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different

> places

> > > in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla.

> During

> > > his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > >

> > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

> > > cousins.

> > > >

> > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

> > > number. Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage,

> pushing

> > > Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi

> but

> > > had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy

> of

> > > every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance

> about

> > > other 4 editions.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of

> bringing

> > > out the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had

> > > copy of 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4

> > > parts he had to struggle a lot as the people who possessed the

> copies

> > > didn't want to share it. Fortunately internet technology came handy

> and

> > > he was able to establish contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in

> > > U.S.A who is a family friend of Pt ji. Through the help of such

> contacts

> > > and divine grace Prabhakar ji was able to get hold of all the five

> > > original editions and with the help of Shri Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh,

> he

> > > has uploaded all these books on internet and thereby available to

> all

> > > free of cost.

> > > >

> > > > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

> > > exact transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri

> but

> > > words remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no

> matched

> > > with the original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been

> published

> > > by Sagar publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled

> to be

> > > released on 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been

> > > published by Yograj ji himself.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Santhosh "

> > > santhosh@ .> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1

> lac

> > > doshas,

> > > > > which is stretching it too far.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group,

> can

> > > you please

> > > > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote

> it?

> > > Was it

> > > > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian

> traditional

> > > > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh'

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf

> Of

> > > kulbir

> > > > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh ji;

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in

> house

> > > no 3 and

> > > > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born

> in a

> > > noble,

> > > > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

> > > quests than

> > > > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow

> his

> > > interests.

> > > > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to

> nay

> > > extent

> > > > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic

> field

> > > is

> > > > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > > > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > > > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil.

> Has

> > > to

> > > > > struggle against all odds.

> > > > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

> > > sometimes

> > > > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > > > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in

> religion

> > > and

> > > > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

> > > religion.

> > > > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some

> heart

> > > ailment,

> > > > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

> > > spirituality, gains

> > > > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > > > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > > > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing

> in

> > > disguise

> > > > > for others.

> > > > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of

> the

> > > > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

> > > moral

> > > > > character.

> > > > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

> > > gifted and

> > > > > of top grade.

> > > > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with

> a

> > > spiritual

> > > > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > > > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

> > > instrumental in

> > > > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age

> span

> > > of

> > > > > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > > > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might

> denounce

> > > his

> > > > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> > > considerations

> > > > > other than financial.

> > > > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes

> self

> > > > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

> > > attains a

> > > > > pathetic state.

> > > > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the

> native

> > > has to

> > > > > struggle against all odds.

> > > > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

> > > short life,

> > > > > bad luck

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > kulbir

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > > %40. com>

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Senthilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

> > > between

> > > > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > > %40. com>

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > > [ancient_ indian_

> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of senthil

> > > > > > nathan

> > > > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > > %40. com>

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Girishji

> > > > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one

> lac

> > > doshas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Senthil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

> > > %40. com>

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Senthilji

> > > > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Girish

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > senthil nathan <jpshelters@ . co.in>

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear members

> > > > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in

> law

> > > who is

> > > > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets

> sat(asc

> > > lord)

> > > > > > ven(4th & 9th) ,10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in

> 12th

> > > and

> > > > > state

> > > > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is

> it

> > > because

> > > > > > JUP in 9th.

> > > > > > DETAILS

> > > > > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > > > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Senthil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > > Homepage

> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_

> 1/*http:/

> > > in.. com/>

> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_

> 1/*http:/

> > > in.. com/>

> > > > > /tagline_ yyi_1/*http: /in.. com/> your

> > > > > > Homepage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release

> Date:

> > > 12/04/09

> > > > > > 01:06:00

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 5, 2009

Wow Mr. Kulbir Ji that was a touching post especially the part about the ferocious lion.Vidya , "kulbir bains" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Deepak ji; i am a conservative, i don't approve of reading commentaries before going through the original text.However as per your command i am sending articles as per my understanding. Basis of lalkitab systemPart1, the need to develop this system It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for this.He turned towards study of destiny. Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much > so that destinies of twins are not similar.In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that change.Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do the have similar horoscopes and palms.The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry portionâ€™s limitation was that it didnâ€™t give concrete information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny.Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen observation led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain, thi> s development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm.This karmic graph can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioral pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern. Some of these karmic recordsâ€™ results can be molded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it > is altered in the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.â€˜â€™duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaaekhudayee naheen" As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind â€˜â€™ rooh ki shaantiâ€™â€™If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion becomes f> erocious; the wall will increase itâ€™s height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the line will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.Regards Kulbir Bains Original message deepak sharma< deepakrptech >05 Dec 09 23:51:10Subject:Re: [nastrology] Re: Lalkitab; abrief introduction to historynastrology Kulbir Ji,Thank you so much for sending the web links.But these are urdu editions and I don't know Urdu.So I'll buy the books (Sagar Publications) suggested by you and Bhaskar Ji when I've time to study.Would you suggest me to read some other basic booksalso prior to going through Goswami Ji's books. Thanks again for your guidance.Best Regards,Deepak Sharmakulbir b> ains nastrology Sat, December 5, 2009 10:26:50 PMRe:[nastrology] Re: Lalkitab; abrief introduction to history [3 Attachments]Deepak ji;I have attached photographs of pt ji; the links arehttp://www.scribd. com/doc/14158732 /lalkitab1939http://www.scribd. com/doc/14176254 /lalkitab 1940http://www.scribd. com/doc/13078966 /LALKITAB1941 URDURDITIONhttp://www.scribd. com/doc/14271531 /LalKitab 1942http://www.scribd. com/doc/14858953 /LALKITAB 1952URDU EDITION Regards Kulbir Bains.,. Reply to sender |Reply to group Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity:New Members 30 New Links 1 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your resource for green living Parenting Zone: Your community resource for family and home Switch to: TextOnly, Daily Digest â€¢ Un â€¢ Terms of Use .,.,>

December 7, 2009

Dear Santosh ji,

Sorry for intervening. If I am not mistaken, Shri Joshi ji was not into

astrology or any research as such previous to the Lal Kitab. This

knowledge too was given to him through telepathy or some astral powers .

regards/Bhasar.

strology , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,

>

> Thank you very much for taking the trouble to list out the history of

Lal

> Kitabh. I am sure many were not aware of it ad it would have been

useful

> knowledge for many members in the forum.

>

> //The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

Ram

> Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date

of

> birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

> retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different

places in

> India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During

his

> service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.//

>

> I understand that. Pt. Joshi the author of this book must have been a

very

> eminent astrologer of his time although he was serving in the civil

defense.

>

> But is there any information on what texts he would have based his

writing's

> on? Do you think it is mostly his experiences and researches as an

> astrologer that culminated in this book?

>

> Regards and Thanks

>

> Santhosh

>

> _____

>

> On Behalf Of kulbir

> Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:33 PM

>

> Re: Lalkitab; a brief introduction

to

> history

Santhosh Ji;

>

> Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

>

> 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

AD.

>

> The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

Pharwala

> depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram

Sharma

> resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

> calighrapher, composer script-writter).

>

> The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

> mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

> Dharmshala; Kangra.

>

> The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi

> resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of

birth

> 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as

> Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India

e.g

> Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service

> tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

>

> Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

cousins.

>

> These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

number.

> Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu

into

> oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many

many

> mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who

laid

> his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

>

> Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of bringing

out

> the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had copy

of

> 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4 parts he

had to

> struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies didn't want to

share

> it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and he was able to

establish

> contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who is a family

friend of

> Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar ji

was

> able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help

of Shri

> Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on internet

and

> thereby available to all free of cost.

>

> Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

exact

> transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but

words

> remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched with

the

> original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by Sagar

> publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be

released on

> 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been published by

Yograj ji

> himself.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir

>

> ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,

> >

> > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1 lac

> doshas,

> > which is stretching it too far.

> >

> > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> >

> > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can

you

> please

> > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it?

Was it

> > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian traditional

> > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Santhosh'

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir

> > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology

> > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> >

> > Santhosh ji;

> >

> > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> >

> > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house

no 3

> and

> > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in a

noble,

> > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

quests than

> > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

> interests.

> > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to nay

extent

> > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field

is

> > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has

to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

sometimes

> > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in religion

and

> > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

religion.

> > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some heart

> ailment,

> > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

spirituality,

> gains

> > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

> disguise

> > for others.

> > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

moral

> > character.

> > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

gifted and

> > of top grade.

> > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

> spiritual

> > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

instrumental

> in

> > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age span

of

> > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might denounce

his

> > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> considerations

> > other than financial.

> > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

attains a

> > pathetic state.

> > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native

has to

> > struggle against all odds.

> > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

short

> life,

> > bad luck

> >

> > Regards

> > kulbir

> >

> > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,

> " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji,

> > >

> > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > >

> > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

between

> > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On

Behalf

> Of senthil

> > > nathan

> > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > >

> > > Girishji

> > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one lac

doshas

> > in

> > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > >

> > > Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > ancient_indian_

<%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Senthilji

> > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Girish

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law

who is

> > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc

lord)

> > > ven(4th & 9th),10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in 12th

and

> > state

> > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is it

> because

> > > JUP in 9th.

> > > DETAILS

> > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > >

> > > Senthil

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage

> > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd.

> <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> > /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> .

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

> > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd.

> <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>

> > /tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your

> > > Homepage.

> > >

> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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> 12/04/09

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>

December 7, 2009

Dear Shri Kulbir ji,

Lalkitab is basically a treatise on remedial measures. In that case are

we supposed to follow remedial measures given for the Birth Chart, OR

the ones given for the Varshaphala Chart ?

How do we make the monthly chart ? Where do I place this every month and

how do I place the planets in the same ? Does the monthly chart work or

effective?

Can I request you to make monthly charts for me for December 2009 and

January 2010. You can just mention the Lagna and the position of the

planets in various houses. This will help.

If this is a bother for you, then kindly ignore my request. I will still

maintain my affections for Your goodself. No questions asked.

My Birth details - 28th June 1961 10.15am Eluru 16.45 N 81.09 E

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Santosh ji,

>

> Sorry for intervening. If I am not mistaken, Shri Joshi ji was not

into

> astrology or any research as such previous to the Lal Kitab. This

> knowledge too was given to him through telepathy or some astral powers

..

>

> regards/Bhasar.

>

> strology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,

> >

> > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to list out the history

of

> Lal

> > Kitabh. I am sure many were not aware of it ad it would have been

> useful

> > knowledge for many members in the forum.

> >

> > //The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

> Ram

> > Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date

> of

> > birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts

and

> > retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different

> places in

> > India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During

> his

> > service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.//

> >

> > I understand that. Pt. Joshi the author of this book must have been

a

> very

> > eminent astrologer of his time although he was serving in the civil

> defense.

> >

> > But is there any information on what texts he would have based his

> writing's

> > on? Do you think it is mostly his experiences and researches as an

> > astrologer that culminated in this book?

> >

> > Regards and Thanks

> >

> > Santhosh

> >

> > _____

> >

> > On Behalf Of

kulbir

> > Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:33 PM

> >

> > Re: Lalkitab; a brief

introduction

> to

> > history

> >

> > Santhosh Ji;

> >

> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> >

> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in

1952

> AD.

> >

> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

> Pharwala

> > depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma

Ram

> Sharma

> > resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

> > calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> >

> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

> > mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop;

> > Dharmshala; Kangra.

> >

> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti

Ram

> Joshi

> > resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of

> birth

> > 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

> retired as

> > Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in

India

> e.g

> > Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his

service

> > tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

> >

> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand Joshi ji were first

> cousins.

> >

> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

> number.

> > Over the years English and Hindi took the center stage, pushing Urdu

> into

> > oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in Hindi but had many

> many

> > mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one

who

> laid

> > his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4

editions.

> >

> > Shri Yograj Prabhakar resident of Patiala took on the task of

bringing

> out

> > the true/exact content as published in the original form. He had

copy

> of

> > 1952 original edition and was ready to share but for other 4 parts

he

> had to

> > struggle a lot as the people who possessed the copies didn't want to

> share

> > it. Fortunately internet technology came handy and he was able to

> establish

> > contact with Shri Rajinder Bhatia living in U.S.A who is a family

> friend of

> > Pt ji. Through the help of such contacts and divine grace Prabhakar

ji

> was

> > able to get hold of all the five original editions and with the help

> of Shri

> > Nirmal Ji of Chandigarh, he has uploaded all these books on internet

> and

> > thereby available to all free of cost.

> >

> > Under his guidance Shri Veni Madhav Goswami of Delhi published the

> exact

> > transliterations i.e. only the script was changed to devnagri but

> words

> > remained same; care was taken that word; line no; page no matched

with

> the

> > original works. 1939; 1940; 1942 editions have been published by

Sagar

> > publications and the fifth and final edition is scheduled to be

> released on

> > 13-12-2009. 1941 edition's transliteration has been published by

> Yograj ji

> > himself.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > astrology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > Yes Ju in 9H is good. I was commenting only about it canceling 1

lac

> > doshas,

> > > which is stretching it too far.

> > >

> > > Thank you for the insight into the details in the lal kitab.

> > >

> > > Since, I now consider you as the LK specialist on this group, can

> you

> > please

> > > give me some history about LK. When was it written? Who wrote it?

> Was it

> > > written in India? What is its connections to the Indian

traditional

> > > classics? Do you have an equivalent of dasa periods in LK? Etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Santhosh'

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir

> > > Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:48 AM

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > astrology

> > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > >

> > > Santhosh ji;

> > >

> > > Lalkitab says about Jupiter in house no 9.

> > >

> > > 1. If mercury, Venus are not in 2,5,9,11 and male planets in house

> no 3

> > and

> > > 5. Jupiter in 9 becomes 3 times benevolent. The native is born in

a

> noble,

> > > rich renowned family but is himself inclined towards spiritual

> quests than

> > > material quests. His ancestors leave enough for him to follow his

> > interests.

> > > He is very particular about his vows and promises and can go to

nay

> extent

> > > to fulfill them. However his yog palan and progress in yogic field

> is

> > > dependent upon planets in the 12th house.

> > > 2. When 3rd and 5th house are

> > > !vacant, the native succeeds ultimately but with a great toil. Has

> to

> > > struggle against all odds.

> > > !! Venus or moon are posited here, fluctuating fiscal health,

> sometimes

> > > extremely rich but at times reduced to penury.

> > > 3. When Sun is benefic, the native never losses interest in

religion

> and

> > > spirituality so much so, he leaves the world before denouncing

> religion.

> > > 4. When house no 1 is vacant, the native may suffer from some

heart

> > ailment,

> > > but with increase in age, he progresses in the field of

> spirituality,

> > gains

> > > recognisation and can even attain the state of a brahmjnani.

> > > 5. His age is usually more than 75 years.

> > > 6. He can intentionally harm anyone, even his curse is blessing in

> > disguise

> > > for others.

> > > 7. He brings and enjoys comfort for/of father. He is leader of the

> > > household, has knowledge of medicine, abstainer, maintains good

> moral

> > > character.

> > > 8. knowledge of gold, jewels, spirituality and religion are god

> gifted and

> > > of top grade.

> > > 9. When mercury in 4th or 5th house, kingly disposition but with a

> > spiritual

> > > bent of mind. In short a master of both.

> > > 10. Saturn in house no financial condition depends or rather

> instrumental

> > in

> > > the age span of 33-39. good results on wealth and income in age

span

> of

> > > 16-19 but not on progeny.

> > > 11. When Jupiter is harmed by aspects etc, the native might

denounce

> his

> > > religion and spirituality and become an atheist but owing to

> > considerations

> > > other than financial.

> > > 12. Mercury, Venus or paapi in house no 5, the native becomes self

> > > possessed, self centered, atheist , his son bears the brunt and

> attains a

> > > pathetic state.

> > > 13. house no 3 and 5 vacant, life is full of struggle, the native

> has to

> > > struggle against all odds.

> > > 14. malefic mercury, rather manda mercury = effect of mars bad -

> short

> > life,

> > > bad luck

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > kulbir

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,

> > " Santhosh " <santhosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Senthilji,

> > > >

> > > > Your friend must surely be having guru in 9th :-)

> > > >

> > > > Anyway it cannot be true. What if such guru is in neecha or in

> between

> > > > malefics or aspected by malefics etc.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > > [ancient_indian_

> > > <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]

On

> Behalf

> > Of senthil

> > > > nathan

> > > > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:29 PM

> > > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > >

> > > > Girishji

> > > > One of my friend astrologer told me that 9th guru cancels one

lac

> doshas

> > > in

> > > > the chart.Is it true, Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Girish menon <horamag@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Girish menon <horamag@>

> > > > Re: MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > > Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 3:54 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Senthilji

> > > > Thank you for posting this interesting case study.

> > > > Mars and venus has neecha banga raja yoga also

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Girish

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] MYSTERY HOROSCOPE

> > > > " groups " <ancient_indian_ astrology>

> > > > Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:04 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear members

> > > > Please go through this horoscope.The native is my brother in law

> who is

> > > > a Doctor in UK.3 planets are neecha.Yoga karaga planets sat(asc

> lord)

> > > > ven(4th & 9th),10th lord mars are neecha.He got state first in

12th

> and

> > > state

> > > > first in engg entrance.He choose MBBS.What are the reasons? Is

it

> > because

> > > > JUP in 9th.

> > > > DETAILS

> > > > DOB04-08-1970

> > > > TOB 20.10PM

> > > > POB-NEYVELI( CUDDALORE DT) TAMILNAD

> > > >

> > > > Senthil

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

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>

December 7, 2009

Respected Bhaskar ji;

As far as calculative part is concerned;

The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be prepared at free on line

software link;-

http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp;

About application part; i shall send in a detailed note.

Respect and Regards

Kulbir

December 7, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

I am well versant with this site and its owner. The monthly chart does

not work there , I mean does not appear. Which is why I requested you

for two samples.

I will await your detailed notes eagerly Sir.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " kulbir "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Respected Bhaskar ji;

>

> As far as calculative part is concerned;

>

> The annual; monthly; daily; hourly charts can be prepared at free on

line software link;-

>

> http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/index.asp;

>

> About application part; i shall send in a detailed note.

>

> Respect and Regards

> Kulbir

>

December 7, 2009

Ghosh ji; many many thanks; the link on scribd that i quoted was proving a real

pain in the neck; i just couldn't open it up for ready reference; plus there was

no download.

The links given by your goodself are excellent.

i really enjoyed them and it will be very helpful in future.

thanks

Regards

, " Suprakash Ghosh "

<suprakash.ghosh wrote:

>

> Original scans of Lal kitab :

>

> Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan - 1939

> Lal Kitab Ke Armaan -1940

> Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa - 1941

> Lal Kitab -1942

> Lal Kitab -1952

>

> Regards

>

> Suprakash

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