Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Dear Sorabh, Yes, in both the cases you should consider Mars as combust. Regards, Krishna mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: Hi everyone if the sun and another planet are close to each other with regards to their degress but in separate houses e.g the sun in 5th house and mars in 6th house - can the sun combust mars? (consider a direct route not retro) likewise if the sun was in the 6th and mars in the 5th and close in degrees (again a direct route not retro) would mars be combust here? many thanks kind regards sorabh Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 also i have a couple of questions with reference to combustion: 1) can a debilitated sun cause combustion? 2) can sun cause combustion to an exalted planet? these questions are in reference to the following chart: female, 29/10/1982, patna(bihar), india, 1:04 PM On 11/28/07, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > Hi everyone > > if the sun and another planet are close to each other with regards to > their degress but in separate houses e.g the sun in 5th house and mars > in 6th house - can the sun combust mars? (consider a direct route not > retro) > > likewise if the sun was in the 6th and mars in the 5th and close in > degrees (again a direct route not retro) would mars be combust here? > many thanks > > kind regards > sorabh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hi group, I am once again raising the topic of combustion, as previously my doubt on the same was not clarified. With due reference to the horoscope of female, 29/10/1982, patna(bihar), india, 1:04 PM since she has a debilitated sun i wanted to know if: 1) can a debilitated sun cause combustion?? since she has a couple of exalted planets: saturn & mercury(also vargottam), i was wondering if 2) can combustion weaken these exalted planets?? any comments on the above would be highly appreciated. regards shubham On Nov 29, 2007 11:41 PM, nath shubham <shubham.nath wrote: > also i have a couple of questions with reference to combustion: > 1) can a debilitated sun cause combustion? > 2) can sun cause combustion to an exalted planet? > these questions are in reference to the following chart: > female, > 29/10/1982, > patna(bihar), india, > 1:04 PM > > On 11/28/07, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > if the sun and another planet are close to each other with regards to > > their degress but in separate houses e.g the sun in 5th house and mars > > in 6th house - can the sun combust mars? (consider a direct route not > > retro) > > > > likewise if the sun was in the 6th and mars in the 5th and close in > > degrees (again a direct route not retro) would mars be combust here? > > many thanks > > > > kind regards > > sorabh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear (?), Combustion is combustion! What it means is that the combust planet is not visible due to its proximity to the rays of the Sun. If we ponder what this means in regards to the significations of the combust planet we can understand the dictum that a combust planet cannot give good results. On the other hand Sun himself can benefited by the conjunction of benefic planets. Conjunction is determined by the (physical) distance a planet is from Sun, it doesn't necessarily have to occupy the same house. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " nath shubham " <shubham.nath <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:02 AM Re: Combustion Hi group, I am once again raising the topic of combustion, as previously my doubt on the same was not clarified. With due reference to the horoscope of female, 29/10/1982, patna(bihar), india, 1:04 PM since she has a debilitated sun i wanted to know if: 1) can a debilitated sun cause combustion?? since she has a couple of exalted planets: saturn & mercury(also vargottam), i was wondering if 2) can combustion weaken these exalted planets?? any comments on the above would be highly appreciated. regards shubham On Nov 29, 2007 11:41 PM, nath shubham <shubham.nath wrote: > also i have a couple of questions with reference to combustion: > 1) can a debilitated sun cause combustion? > 2) can sun cause combustion to an exalted planet? > these questions are in reference to the following chart: > female, > 29/10/1982, > patna(bihar), india, > 1:04 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Dear shubham/ Group: I have joined this group recently.May be some of you don't find my view agreeable. To me Combustion is combustion, determined by the angular distance of a planet from the Sun. A planet is considered combust when it is not visible due to its proximity to the Sun.For combustion of each planet degree of its angular distance from the Sun are specified based on its size and its linear distance from the sun. Once a planet has attained such position it is treated as combust regardless to : 1. whether it in the house or sign occupied by the Sun or in the neighbour house/sign. 2. whether the Sun is in its debilitated or exalted . 3.whether the combust planet is in its debilitated or exalted 4.whether the other planet are in its debilitated or exalted. 5.whether the Sun or combust planet or any other planets are in their own ,friends or enemies house. In regards to the significations of the combust planet we can understand the dictum that a combust planet becomes powerless and incapable to deliver the results expected from it. Further, I don't agree with the statement, " On the other hand Sun himself can benefited by the conjunction of benefic planets " . Regards, GSS Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 hey GSS, its nice to hear your perspective too.... can someone tell me the respective degrees between sun & various planets that can cause combustion. also does usage of gems help rectify the damage caused by combustion?? thanks & regards shubham On Dec 11, 2007 9:05 PM, GURUSWARUP SHARMA <gurussharma wrote: > Dear shubham/ Group: > > I have joined this group recently.May be some of you don't find my view > agreeable. > To me Combustion is combustion, determined by the angular distance of a > planet from the Sun. A planet is considered combust when it is not visible > due to its proximity to the Sun.For combustion of each planet degree of > its angular distance from the Sun are specified based on its size and its > linear distance from the sun. Once a planet has attained such position it is > treated as combust regardless to : > > 1. whether it in the house or sign occupied by the Sun or in the neighbour > house/sign. > 2. whether the Sun is in its debilitated or exalted . > 3.whether the combust planet is in its debilitated or exalted > 4.whether the other planet are in its debilitated or exalted. > 5.whether the Sun or combust planet or any other planets are in their own > ,friends or enemies house. > > > > In regards to the significations of the combust planet we can > understand the dictum that a combust planet becomes powerless and > incapable to deliver the results expected from it. > > Further, I don't agree with the statement, " On the other hand Sun himself > can benefited by the conjunction of benefic planets " . > > Regards, > GSS > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Dear GSS, ///Further, I don't agree with the statement, " On the other hand Sun himself can benefited by the conjunction of benefic planets " ./// Yes, you're right to say that. It was a sweeping statement that definately needed clarification. As I'm sure you know, there are many references in the classics regarding this. Bhrigu Sutras (http://jyotishvidya.com/part2_1.htm) for instance states (in reference to Sun in 5th house) that: " If the Sun is in conjunction with Mars, there will be loss of children due to enemy but there will be no such loss if the combination of the Sun and Rahu or the Sun and Ketu or the Sun and Mars is aspected by a benefic (Jupiter or Venus). " Of course the only aspect Venus can make is by conjunction, and, as we know, the relationship between Sun and Venus is inimical...conjunction making it extremely so. No doubt some thought needs to be given to my previous statement (made when I was in a bit of a hurry to tend to other work away from the list). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " GURUSWARUP SHARMA " <gurussharma <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:35 AM Re: Combustion Dear shubham/ Group: I have joined this group recently.May be some of you don't find my view agreeable. To me Combustion is combustion, determined by the angular distance of a planet from the Sun. A planet is considered combust when it is not visible due to its proximity to the Sun.For combustion of each planet degree of its angular distance from the Sun are specified based on its size and its linear distance from the sun. Once a planet has attained such position it is treated as combust regardless to : 1. whether it in the house or sign occupied by the Sun or in the neighbour house/sign. 2. whether the Sun is in its debilitated or exalted . 3.whether the combust planet is in its debilitated or exalted 4.whether the other planet are in its debilitated or exalted. 5.whether the Sun or combust planet or any other planets are in their own ,friends or enemies house. In regards to the significations of the combust planet we can understand the dictum that a combust planet becomes powerless and incapable to deliver the results expected from it. Further, I don't agree with the statement, " On the other hand Sun himself can benefited by the conjunction of benefic planets " . Regards, GSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, Since my study is not structured, I lack knowledge in some of the very basic topics.Thank you so much for answering to my query. I wish to ask you one more question relating to combustion. Consider the scenario where Saturn is combust in libra. But the lord of the house, Venus, is free from combustion. Then, as I understand signification of Saturn will be overpowered by the Sun, but since venus is in its own house the signification of the house won't be affected. Is this right? Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Manasa, Just a very quick response for now as I'm just about to switch off and walk out the door (away for the day)... A house will be affected by its occupants no doubt. However there is benefit if its lord is favourably disposed. Perhaps you could post the chart and we might (time permitting) take a look at it this evening when I return. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:27 AM Re: combustion Dear Mrs.Wendy, Since my study is not structured, I lack knowledge in some of the very basic topics.Thank you so much for answering to my query. I wish to ask you one more question relating to combustion. Consider the scenario where Saturn is combust in libra. But the lord of the house, Venus, is free from combustion. Then, as I understand signification of Saturn will be overpowered by the Sun, but since venus is in its own house the signification of the house won't be affected. Is this right? Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, The example I quote was to clarify whether exalted planets would also be affected equally as other non-exalted planets in combustion.The scenario was an output of my imagination. Thank you for the quick response. Regards, Manasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 I heard the same about venus...please I'd like to know as well as my venus is 4 degrees from the sun Madhurima , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 wrote: > > I was reading an old issue of the Astrological Magazine which says > that when sun and mercury is within one degree then it does not show > effects of combustion but rather can confer brilliance. > > Is this true? > > -Regrds > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Rajarshi, Madhurima, Namaste You can find more information on this in Surya Sidhanta. Moon, Rahu and Ketu dont get combust while rest gets combust when they come close to Sun. The degree and rest of details you can get from Surya Sidhanta. Rgds Anand On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Madhurima <juliamilin wrote: I heard the same about venus...please I'd like to know as well as myvenus is 4 degrees from the sunMadhurima , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 wrote: >> I was reading an old issue of the Astrological Magazine which says > that when sun and mercury is within one degree then it does not show > effects of combustion but rather can confer brilliance. > > Is this true?> > -Regrds> Rajarshi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear Anand, Thank you for the information. Are you sure that the moon doesn't get combust? Regards Rajarshi Anand Ravi <anandravi8 wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Rajarshi, Madhurima, Namaste You can find more information on this in Surya Sidhanta. Moon, Rahu and Ketu dont get combust while rest gets combust when they come close to Sun. The degree and rest of details you can get from Surya Sidhanta. Rgds Anand On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Madhurima <juliamilin > wrote: I heard the same about venus...please I'd like to know as well as myvenus is 4 degrees from the sunMadhurima , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 wrote:>> I was reading an old issue of the Astrological Magazine which says > that when sun and mercury is within one degree then it does not show > effects of combustion but rather can confer brilliance.> > Is this true?> > -Regrds> Rajarshi> Aditya Hrudayam punyam Sarva satru Vinasanam Jayavaham Japet Nityam Akshyayyam paramam sivam || Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear Masters, If a planet is combust say, in my case mercury is both combust and retrogade placed along with Sun in Gemini - one should not wear an emerald gemstone? is this true? could you atleast worship mercury with green dal and green material - will this in anyway help? if not are there remedies for combustion of planet?rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: Dear Anand, Thank you for the information. Are you sure that the moon doesn't get combust? Regards Rajarshi Anand Ravi <anandravi8 > wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Rajarshi, Madhurima, Namaste You can find more information on this in Surya Sidhanta. Moon, Rahu and Ketu dont get combust while rest gets combust when they come close to Sun. The degree and rest of details you can get from Surya Sidhanta. Rgds Anand On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Madhurima <juliamilin > wrote: I heard the same about venus...please I'd like to know as well as myvenus is 4 degrees from the sunMadhurima , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 wrote:>> I was reading an old issue of the Astrological Magazine which says > that when sun and mercury is within one degree then it does not show > effects of combustion but rather can confer brilliance.> > Is this true?> > -Regrds> Rajarshi> Aditya Hrudayam punyam Sarva satru Vinasanam Jayavaham Japet Nityam Akshyayyam paramam sivam || Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Respected Vistiji/ All, I was reading your article "Astangata (Combustion) of planets" in srigaruda.com. It looks to be very good and informative. Thanks for the article. It answers most of the combustion related questions and would recommend others also to read this article for combustion. I have one query regarding the CAZIMI State of a planet in page 10 of the article. 1) I have heard If a planet is within 17 minutes of the arc of the sun , the planet will be in the CAZIMI state and will be in the heart of the sun and is highly auspicious. Am i right. ? Can you explain more about the effects of Cazimi state of planet. 2) How does a combusted planet Or Cazimi state act in Relationships as it helps to grow spiritually. Does it completely deny marriage by giving spiritual strength to the native ? Please explain Thanks in advance, Regards Pramod. On 5/8/08, Madhurima <juliamilin wrote: I heard the same about venus...please I'd like to know as well as myvenus is 4 degrees from the sunMadhurima , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 wrote: >> I was reading an old issue of the Astrological Magazine which says > that when sun and mercury is within one degree then it does not show > effects of combustion but rather can confer brilliance. > > Is this true?> > -Regrds> Rajarshi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Dear esteemed members and Bhaskerji,At combustion, planet loses its own rays due to close proximity to sun.A) It means that the combust planet obscured by the rays of the Sun, is considered impotent (weak to act independently).Combust planet express itself through Sun.Important Note : Retrograde planet does not lose its rays at combustion.Now,B) Sun is the Karak for lagna, signifies self (EGO).Due to closeness of combust planet SUN is also affected with the qualities of the combust planetTo say to someone that Mars is combust and therefore weak (impotent) will not ring true because the person KNOWS that the traits of Mars are strong in their nature (self). Similarly, although Mercury suffers combustion, the qualities of Mercury are also reflected through Sun... The native KNOWS he's not lacking intelligence.However, ego and pride (boastfulness) would likely be quite prominent in regards to intellect (Mercury) and force of character (Mars)..C) Sun is karak for Dharma and Agni which purifies the individual beings by cleaning them with Spiritual heat.To say,Combustion of Jupiter will make you pass through a phase of spiritual growth like gold passing theorugh fire to come clean and combustion of Saturn will burn the sins attributed to adharma you did in the past birth by forcing you to serve elders and father.D) Also look for natural friendship and enimity of Sun with combust planet.For example,Combustion of Venus indicate delays in marriage ( perhaps Sun shows it's anger) and it also indicate Dharmic attitude of Venus at relationship, no extra marital affairs or love affairs...E) The combination of combust planets is also an important consideration.For instance, the combined influence of Mer/Mars (on Sun) would be different to the combined influence of Mer/Ven or Mer/Jup...F) How results will be manifested can be seen through house and nakshatra lordship yogas.//3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ?//Retro mercury will not lose it rays so combustion results will be not pronoused and Budh Aditya yoga will give its full effects. I hope it will help.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear friends,> > On combustion of Mercury there are diversant views. One sect considers> that Mercury is normally so close to the Sun, so one must not consider> it as Combust (Just as Retro rahu and ketu are considered as Direct,> since they are retro always), while the other sect considers it as> combust.> > 1) What do you consider ?> > 2) Does Mercury combust produce "mand buddhis" ?> > 3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ?> > Anybody care to answer ?> > Please note that we must not get afraid that we may be wrong, for none> is perfect in astrology and every day of Life even at age of 90, in> astrology is a learning day. Unless one participates one cannot enjoy> the pain and pleasure both. We must always participate in discussions so> that others can learn , if not we. We may look stupid at asking> questions or answering them, but this should not change our mission of> developing astrology to great heights and a learning experience to all> who are silent witnesses and members of this Forum. We have to look at> horizons beyond and move out of our individual images. You can consider> me as a example of this. I have never considered or cared for my image> or any sort of image building. I talk nonsense many times, on women,> etc, and enjoy cheap thrills too at cost of looking stupid or> -un-astrologer like. But who cares? As long as I know how to cut hair, I> will be known as a barber. I know I am skilled at my work. Thats what> matters. Is it not ? So one must shed all fears of images, temporary> fleeting reputations, and pretensions of looking good, and not speaking> out of fear of writing something wrong. Do not do this.> > Bhool sabhi se hoti aayi. kaun hai jisne na thokar khaayi.> > Bhoolon se seekhe joh, manzil usne paayi.> > best wishes/bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Manoj ji; 1. " " Book - The Astrology of the Seers; Author - Dawid Frawley. page 226 PSYCHOLOGICAL INDICATORS OF PLANETS; The Sun; The Sun in its highest level represents the true or Divine self (atma), just as on the lower level it represents the ego or self image. The main solar issue is identity. Our true identity is in consciousness as consciousness, not according to anything we may be identified with.Whatever we are identified with is a form of darkness. Our true nature is in the capacity to illuminate things, not in the things our mind illumines. Our true being is in the light.It is the light. It is by going within that we find the true light. Any external light we reflect, however great, creates darkness within us. " " Regards Kulbir , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Vijay Ji and others, > > In one of his lectures Hart De Fouw said the following: > > " Sun is only the indicator of the Atma or the Soul. Nowhere in the classics does it say it denotes the " Ego " . Even some classical Indian authors have fallen for this " Western " notion that Sun denotes the " Ego " . > > So, if any one has a classical reference to Sun denoting the " Ego " instead of the " Atma " , please do provide it. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > vijay.goel <goyalvj > > Sat, December 5, 2009 10:19:52 PM > Combustion > >  > Dear esteemed members and Bhaskerji, > > At combustion, planet loses its own rays due to close proximity to sun. > A) It means that the combust planet obscured by the rays of the Sun, is considered impotent (weak to act independently) . > Combust planet express itself through Sun. > > Important Note : Retrograde planet does not lose its rays at combustion. > > Now, > B) Sun is the Karak for lagna, signifies self (EGO). > Due to closeness of combust planet SUN is also affected with the qualities of the combust planet > > To say to someone that Mars is combust and therefore weak (impotent) will not ring true because the person KNOWS that the traits of Mars are strong in their nature (self). Similarly, although Mercury suffers combustion, the qualities of Mercury are also reflected through Sun... The native KNOWS he's not lacking intelligence. > > However, ego and pride (boastfulness) would likely be quite prominent in regards to intellect (Mercury) and force of character (Mars).. > > C) Sun is karak for Dharma and Agni which purifies the individual beings by cleaning them with Spiritual heat. > To say, > Combustion of Jupiter will make you pass through a phase of spiritual growth like gold passing theorugh fire to come clean and combustion of Saturn will burn the sins attributed to adharma you did in the past birth by forcing you to serve elders and father. > > D) Also look for natural friendship and enimity of Sun with combust planet. > For example, > Combustion of Venus indicate delays in marriage ( perhaps Sun shows it's anger) and it also indicate Dharmic attitude of Venus at relationship, no extra marital affairs or love affairs... > > E) The combination of combust planets is also an important consideration. > For instance, the combined influence of Mer/Mars (on Sun) would be different to the combined influence of Mer/Ven or Mer/Jup... > > F) How results will be manifested can be seen through house and nakshatra lordship yogas. > > //3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ?// > > Retro mercury will not lose it rays so combustion results will be not pronoused and Budh Aditya yoga will give its full effects. > > I hope it will help. > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > On combustion of Mercury there are diversant views. One sect considers > > that Mercury is normally so close to the Sun, so one must not consider > > it as Combust (Just as Retro rahu and ketu are considered as Direct, > > since they are retro always), while the other sect considers it as > > combust. > > > > 1) What do you consider ? > > > > 2) Does Mercury combust produce " mand buddhis " ? > > > > 3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ? > > > > Anybody care to answer ? > > > > Please note that we must not get afraid that we may be wrong, for none > > is perfect in astrology and every day of Life even at age of 90, in > > astrology is a learning day. Unless one participates one cannot enjoy > > the pain and pleasure both. We must always participate in discussions so > > that others can learn , if not we. We may look stupid at asking > > questions or answering them, but this should not change our mission of > > developing astrology to great heights and a learning experience to all > > who are silent witnesses and members of this Forum. We have to look at > > horizons beyond and move out of our individual images. You can consider > > me as a example of this. I have never considered or cared for my image > > or any sort of image building. I talk nonsense many times, on women, > > etc, and enjoy cheap thrills too at cost of looking stupid or > > -un-astrologer like. But who cares? As long as I know how to cut hair, I > > will be known as a barber. I know I am skilled at my work. Thats what > > matters. Is it not ? So one must shed all fears of images, temporary > > fleeting reputations, and pretensions of looking good, and not speaking > > out of fear of writing something wrong. Do not do this. > > > > Bhool sabhi se hoti aayi. kaun hai jisne na thokar khaayi. > > > > Bhoolon se seekhe joh, manzil usne paayi. > > > > best wishes/bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Dear Manojji, // " Sun is only the indicator of the Atma or the Soul. Nowhere in the classics does it say it denotes the " Ego " .// This is true. But Sun, Jupiter is also the Karak of Lagna. Jupiter indicate intelligence, wisdom whereas sun indicate health and sense of individuality. This individualistic attitude, knowing of self and at spiritual level it is atma so is SUN. In Gita it is clearly mention that Gyana yoga or Knowledge brings pride and ego, Badhaka for Moksha, clearly pointing out the negativity of sun and jupiter (associated with lagna\LL) at excessive strong level. I mean that at positive normal level sun will bring confidence (karak sun) and over confidence brings ego (karak rahu + sun) and pride (karak jupiter). The excessiveness is indicated by rahu as per classic, infact 'ego' is rahu as per classic as per my memory. Phaladeepika in Chapter 3 when referring to the Avasthas mentions that planet which is in combustion is in Vikala Avastha, means distressed mood. Actually sun is over powering and giving stress to the combust planet. Many parameters will convey the final status of combustion. May be these thought could be helpful. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Vijay Ji and others, > > In one of his lectures Hart De Fouw said the following: > > " Sun is only the indicator of the Atma or the Soul. Nowhere in the classics does it say it denotes the " Ego " . Even some classical Indian authors have fallen for this " Western " notion that Sun denotes the " Ego " . > > So, if any one has a classical reference to Sun denoting the " Ego " instead of the " Atma " , please do provide it. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > vijay.goel <goyalvj > > Sat, December 5, 2009 10:19:52 PM > Combustion > >  > Dear esteemed members and Bhaskerji, > > At combustion, planet loses its own rays due to close proximity to sun. > A) It means that the combust planet obscured by the rays of the Sun, is considered impotent (weak to act independently) . > Combust planet express itself through Sun. > > Important Note : Retrograde planet does not lose its rays at combustion. > > Now, > B) Sun is the Karak for lagna, signifies self (EGO). > Due to closeness of combust planet SUN is also affected with the qualities of the combust planet > > To say to someone that Mars is combust and therefore weak (impotent) will not ring true because the person KNOWS that the traits of Mars are strong in their nature (self). Similarly, although Mercury suffers combustion, the qualities of Mercury are also reflected through Sun... The native KNOWS he's not lacking intelligence. > > However, ego and pride (boastfulness) would likely be quite prominent in regards to intellect (Mercury) and force of character (Mars).. > > C) Sun is karak for Dharma and Agni which purifies the individual beings by cleaning them with Spiritual heat. > To say, > Combustion of Jupiter will make you pass through a phase of spiritual growth like gold passing theorugh fire to come clean and combustion of Saturn will burn the sins attributed to adharma you did in the past birth by forcing you to serve elders and father. > > D) Also look for natural friendship and enimity of Sun with combust planet. > For example, > Combustion of Venus indicate delays in marriage ( perhaps Sun shows it's anger) and it also indicate Dharmic attitude of Venus at relationship, no extra marital affairs or love affairs... > > E) The combination of combust planets is also an important consideration. > For instance, the combined influence of Mer/Mars (on Sun) would be different to the combined influence of Mer/Ven or Mer/Jup... > > F) How results will be manifested can be seen through house and nakshatra lordship yogas. > > //3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ?// > > Retro mercury will not lose it rays so combustion results will be not pronoused and Budh Aditya yoga will give its full effects. > > I hope it will help. > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > On combustion of Mercury there are diversant views. One sect considers > > that Mercury is normally so close to the Sun, so one must not consider > > it as Combust (Just as Retro rahu and ketu are considered as Direct, > > since they are retro always), while the other sect considers it as > > combust. > > > > 1) What do you consider ? > > > > 2) Does Mercury combust produce " mand buddhis " ? > > > > 3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ? > > > > Anybody care to answer ? > > > > Please note that we must not get afraid that we may be wrong, for none > > is perfect in astrology and every day of Life even at age of 90, in > > astrology is a learning day. Unless one participates one cannot enjoy > > the pain and pleasure both. We must always participate in discussions so > > that others can learn , if not we. We may look stupid at asking > > questions or answering them, but this should not change our mission of > > developing astrology to great heights and a learning experience to all > > who are silent witnesses and members of this Forum. We have to look at > > horizons beyond and move out of our individual images. You can consider > > me as a example of this. I have never considered or cared for my image > > or any sort of image building. I talk nonsense many times, on women, > > etc, and enjoy cheap thrills too at cost of looking stupid or > > -un-astrologer like. But who cares? As long as I know how to cut hair, I > > will be known as a barber. I know I am skilled at my work. Thats what > > matters. Is it not ? So one must shed all fears of images, temporary > > fleeting reputations, and pretensions of looking good, and not speaking > > out of fear of writing something wrong. Do not do this. > > > > Bhool sabhi se hoti aayi. kaun hai jisne na thokar khaayi. > > > > Bhoolon se seekhe joh, manzil usne paayi. > > > > best wishes/bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Dear Manojji, In my own chart Karka lagna , Jupiter is combust within 6 degree in Makar Rashi. Jupiter is debilitated. Jup is 6 & 9L. Jup is chara Atma Karak. Jup is in last degree > 29. We can see that sun+ jupiter is influencing lagna by seventh aspect also. Till today as jupiter antardasa is running , i am not able to understand does it will give spiritual progress or not, natural atmakarak (sun) conjunct chara atmakarak and here chara atma karak deb. & combust ? Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > > > Dear Manojji, > > // " Sun is only the indicator of the Atma or the Soul. Nowhere in the classics does it say it denotes the " Ego " .// > > This is true. But Sun, Jupiter is also the Karak of Lagna. Jupiter indicate intelligence, wisdom whereas sun indicate health and sense of individuality. > This individualistic attitude, knowing of self and at spiritual level it is atma so is SUN. > > In Gita it is clearly mention that Gyana yoga or Knowledge brings pride and ego, Badhaka for Moksha, clearly pointing out the negativity of sun and jupiter (associated with lagna\LL) at excessive strong level. > > I mean that at positive normal level sun will bring confidence (karak sun) and over confidence brings ego (karak rahu + sun) and pride (karak jupiter). The excessiveness is indicated by rahu as per classic, infact 'ego' is rahu as per classic as per my memory. > > Phaladeepika in Chapter 3 when referring to the Avasthas mentions that planet which is in combustion is in Vikala Avastha, means distressed mood. > Actually sun is over powering and giving stress to the combust planet. > > Many parameters will convey the final status of combustion. > > May be these thought could be helpful. > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Ji and others, > > > > In one of his lectures Hart De Fouw said the following: > > > > " Sun is only the indicator of the Atma or the Soul. Nowhere in the classics does it say it denotes the " Ego " . Even some classical Indian authors have fallen for this " Western " notion that Sun denotes the " Ego " . > > > > So, if any one has a classical reference to Sun denoting the " Ego " instead of the " Atma " , please do provide it. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@> > > > > Sat, December 5, 2009 10:19:52 PM > > Combustion > > > >  > > Dear esteemed members and Bhaskerji, > > > > At combustion, planet loses its own rays due to close proximity to sun. > > A) It means that the combust planet obscured by the rays of the Sun, is considered impotent (weak to act independently) . > > Combust planet express itself through Sun. > > > > Important Note : Retrograde planet does not lose its rays at combustion. > > > > Now, > > B) Sun is the Karak for lagna, signifies self (EGO). > > Due to closeness of combust planet SUN is also affected with the qualities of the combust planet > > > > To say to someone that Mars is combust and therefore weak (impotent) will not ring true because the person KNOWS that the traits of Mars are strong in their nature (self). Similarly, although Mercury suffers combustion, the qualities of Mercury are also reflected through Sun... The native KNOWS he's not lacking intelligence. > > > > However, ego and pride (boastfulness) would likely be quite prominent in regards to intellect (Mercury) and force of character (Mars).. > > > > C) Sun is karak for Dharma and Agni which purifies the individual beings by cleaning them with Spiritual heat. > > To say, > > Combustion of Jupiter will make you pass through a phase of spiritual growth like gold passing theorugh fire to come clean and combustion of Saturn will burn the sins attributed to adharma you did in the past birth by forcing you to serve elders and father. > > > > D) Also look for natural friendship and enimity of Sun with combust planet. > > For example, > > Combustion of Venus indicate delays in marriage ( perhaps Sun shows it's anger) and it also indicate Dharmic attitude of Venus at relationship, no extra marital affairs or love affairs... > > > > E) The combination of combust planets is also an important consideration. > > For instance, the combined influence of Mer/Mars (on Sun) would be different to the combined influence of Mer/Ven or Mer/Jup... > > > > F) How results will be manifested can be seen through house and nakshatra lordship yogas. > > > > //3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ?// > > > > Retro mercury will not lose it rays so combustion results will be not pronoused and Budh Aditya yoga will give its full effects. > > > > I hope it will help. > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > On combustion of Mercury there are diversant views. One sect considers > > > that Mercury is normally so close to the Sun, so one must not consider > > > it as Combust (Just as Retro rahu and ketu are considered as Direct, > > > since they are retro always), while the other sect considers it as > > > combust. > > > > > > 1) What do you consider ? > > > > > > 2) Does Mercury combust produce " mand buddhis " ? > > > > > > 3) What could be the effect of a combust and retro Mercury ? > > > > > > Anybody care to answer ? > > > > > > Please note that we must not get afraid that we may be wrong, for none > > > is perfect in astrology and every day of Life even at age of 90, in > > > astrology is a learning day. Unless one participates one cannot enjoy > > > the pain and pleasure both. We must always participate in discussions so > > > that others can learn , if not we. We may look stupid at asking > > > questions or answering them, but this should not change our mission of > > > developing astrology to great heights and a learning experience to all > > > who are silent witnesses and members of this Forum. We have to look at > > > horizons beyond and move out of our individual images. You can consider > > > me as a example of this. I have never considered or cared for my image > > > or any sort of image building. I talk nonsense many times, on women, > > > etc, and enjoy cheap thrills too at cost of looking stupid or > > > -un-astrologer like. But who cares? As long as I know how to cut hair, I > > > will be known as a barber. I know I am skilled at my work. Thats what > > > matters. Is it not ? So one must shed all fears of images, temporary > > > fleeting reputations, and pretensions of looking good, and not speaking > > > out of fear of writing something wrong. Do not do this. > > > > > > Bhool sabhi se hoti aayi. kaun hai jisne na thokar khaayi. > > > > > > Bhoolon se seekhe joh, manzil usne paayi. > > > > > > best wishes/bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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