[WAVES-Vedic] The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

PNB quoted the verse from Rig Veda (1.154.48) and that verse talks about a fixed

Zodiac (ie. the Sidereal Zodiac with the fixed stars in it) which does not shake

or move. The tenth month in the fixed Zodiac is no doubt the Capricorn or Makara

starting from Aries or Mesha. However in the Vedic times the tenth month was not

called the Makara rashi and we know from the Mahabharata that it was called the

Brahma rashi. As the name indicates this rashi had a very exalted status, in

keeping with the Vedic significance. The ancient Hindus related the Earth with

respect to the entire universe, which of course includes the solar system, and

thus it included  the Stars in the path (the Gopatha) of the Sun.

 

The ancient Hindu scholars / seers also related the Earth separately to the

Solar system while considering some of the effects like the seasons and this

Zodiac is called the Seasonal or Tropical Zodiac but this Zodiac, though does

not conform to the Vedic verse, is still useful for noting the seasonal effects

like the Summer and the Winter as well as the Monsoon cycles.

 

This amply shows that the Makara Sankranti is rightby being observed when the

Sun enters the Sidereal Makar rashi as  this is the true Vedic Makar Sankranti.

The Winter Solstice is a Seasonal or Tropical phenomenon and can be celebrated

but not necessarily related to the Makara Rashi and can be called the Surya

Jayanti or the Uttarayana Punyakala.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Robert Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

 

Robert Wilkinson <robtw

[WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

" WAVES-Vedic " <WAVES-Vedic >

Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The following is a letter from PNB regarding the correct calendar measure.

 

 

Friends,

This letter (below) is so typical of AKK. It would not be worth the trouble

to counter, but there may be some students of his who should have contact with a

more enlightened approach to the Hindu Calendar issue. Certainly AKK cannot

offer this light. His mission in life, the purpose of his birth is to confuse

the issue. He does not bring ORDER but rather this letter, if we take it as an

example, presents just the sort of CHAOS and confusion he is noted for. But

there is another reason for replying.

 

How can India become the leader of nations, the Guru of the world in this

new Age, if still her 'wisemen' are so xenophobic? This is first-rung business.

Such prejudices are unacceptable in people who are supposed to be dealing in the

sacred, because the most important qualification of this Age of Aquarius is

UNIVERSALISM. If they knew astrology, they would at least know this. But the

universalised, cosmic consciousness can never come about when we have 'pundits'

like AKK vehemently, unendingly screaming 'Videshis'! My God, have they not

learned their lesson, have they not understood the line from the Veda to the

effect that 'All the world is one family?' Because of this stone-age attitude

total chaos abounds in matters cosmic. The idea, as his letter reveals, is to

flood the atmosphere with hundreds of 'ifs' and 'buts' and 'considerations', and

'sects' and 'texts' and so on, apart from the usual abuses and insults, so that

in the confusion none can

appreciate the simple truth right before their eyes, if they could but SEE.

Indeed, this is the blind leading the blind. Those who follow such leaders can

never be guided to real Knowledge.

 

AKK goes on about the true Uttarayana, but he has no YOGIC KNOWLEDGE, and

there is no other way to KNOW what that point in the cosmic harmony is without a

yogic foundation of Knowledge. It has only little to do with book learning and

computations. The precise timing of the entry into Capricorn and the shortest

day of the year, the fourth Cardinal Pole, is a simple matter; complications are

brought in only when one pundit wants to be superior to another, or gain

something over another. I challenge AKK on this point. He has no idea what the

Rigvedic 'Tenth Month Victory' is, which is precisely that Capricorn point of

the Tropical Zodiac. There is nothing complicated about it. If it continues to

be celebrated throughout India (though wrongly) it is because the Ancients had

that realisation. When that happens, all this back and forth about 'which Makar

Sankranti' (????) is just the usual AKK tricks to confuse the issue. He knows

exactly what MS is meant.

And this has nothing to do with 'foreigners' or the so-called 'Vedic astrology'

and the long list he provides. This is just obfuscation and trying to appear

'knowledgeable - but there is no knowledge, just obfuscation.

 

These pundits must go back to the basics. They must REALISE that Truth. Only

then can they speak, only then can they know what exactly needs to be updated,

renewed, re-established. And they must, before all else, have the humility to

recognise one who does have that knowledge. This, unfortunately is lacking. I

quote Sri Aurobindo on this matter, because I came to the same conclusion:

‘… For some two thousand years at least no Indian has really understood the

Vedas.’

 

Perhaps AKK believes he is the exception and he has come to realise what the

Veda contains. But if he hasn't, and this is proven by his letter, then he

should remain silent since he knows nothing of matters COSMIC which are globally

relevant, not reserved for India alone. After all, the West uses the right

calendar. Therefore, it might be wise to listen to foreigners!

 

The Rig Veda provides that cosmic foundation. Not the calculations and the

haggling about this timing or that, about this system or that. It is about the

foundation IN KNOWLEDGE which alone qualifies one to be held as a leader in this

field. Then one knows beyond any doubt what Uttarayana is because one has

realised it. Then there is no confusion. The verses in the Rigveda in this

regard, indicating exactly where AKK has gone wrong, are the following:

 

Twelve spokes, one wheel, navels three.

 

Who can comprehend this?

 

On it are placed together

 

Three hundred and sixty like pegs.

 

They shake not in the least.

 

(Rig Veda 1.154.48)

 

 

 

 

 

Everything one needs to know is in these lines. They indicate exactly the

mistake AKK and the Vedic Astrologers have made because it is clearly stated

that THE CIRCLE IS ONE. The last line in his letter reveals that he has not

followed this prescription. In their wisdom the Rishis knew that the Hindu Samaj

would be overwhelmed by unknowing. And so they ask, Who can comprehend this?

 

It is time to call the bluff of these self-styled astrologers and pundits

who do not know the basics of what astrology truly is and why it has played such

a prominent place in Indian culture throughout the Ages until today, and

throughout the world. I repeat, India does not have a monopoly on the subject,

let it be known. But, as Sri Aurobindo noted, none have the Knowledge of the

Veda, I am sorry to say. They have become bogged down in rituals and a thousand

considerations that have no relevancy, as we note in AKK's letter.

 

AKK has to prove that HE KNOWS. Not by flinging insults and abuses about, as

is his habit, but by producing a Body of Knowledge reflective of the realisation

contained in the Rigveda. That Body of Knowledge from him is no where in sight.

 

PNB

Director, Aeon Centre of Cosmology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

 I am really amused by all this cacophony!

Dr. Wilkinson and his mentor Thea are of the opinion that I

have absolutely no knowledge of the Vedas, especially the Rig-Veda since I am

not subscribing to celebrating a so called Sayana Makar Sankranti because “ he

(AKK) has no YOGIC KNOWLEDGEâ€

 

On the other hand, Shri Hari Malla is of the opinion that my

views must be rejected since I am following a Sayana calendar, including a

Sayana Makar Sankranti, which, according to him, is nothing but Gregorian!

 

My friend Sunil Bhattacharjya and quit a few of his friends

are of the opinion that I am misleading everybody since I am not celebrating a

Nirayana, that also Lahiri, Makar Sankranti!

 

All these well wishers of the Hindu community are

deliberately overlooking the fact that I am neither following a so called

sayana rashichakra nor nirayana rashichakra because there are no Mesha etc.

rashis in the Vedas!  Thus  unless one does some special Tapasya and special

yoga  and/or  unless one has some special parokshya knowledge, one cannot “seeâ€

those Mesha etc. rashis in the Vedas.   And even then, there is no guarantee

whether the “tapasvi†and/or the “parokshyawala†will visualize a so called

Sayana Makar Sankranti or a so called nirayana one because whereas the Thea

talks of having “visualized†a Sayana Makar Rashi through her tapasya and yoga,

Shri Bhattacharjya claims to have visualized nirayana, and that also Lahiri,

Makar and other Rashis in the Vedas!

 

But I am not celebrating a nirayana Makar Sankrnati because

it has absolutely no sanction from either the sidhantas or the Puranas or even

Primary School Geography, leave alone the Vedas!

 

All I am doing is celebrating Uttarayana, which has been

talked about times without number in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha and the

Puranas and the sidhantas and for which ordinary mortals like me need neither

any yogic experiences nor any parokshya knowledge!

 

Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the

Vedas or the VJ!) call that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti! 

As such, I am celebrating not only one of the four most

extolled cardinal points but also a Pauranic Makar Sankranti!  If somebody

wants to call it " Vedic " Makar Sanrkanti by dint of his or her

Tapasya, that is his/her prerogative!  If others like Shri Bhattacharjya do not

want to call it a Makar Sankranti at all, that too is their prerogative!

So let everybody celebrate his/her brand of Makar

Sankranti! 

But the million dollar question is as to what about the real

sidereal Makar Sankranti, which is on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs 15 mts. UT/GMT since the

longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which

is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date!  There appear to

be no takers for the same!

Jai

Shri Ram!

A

K Kaul

,

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> PNB quoted the verse from Rig Veda (1.154.48) and that

verse talks about a fixed Zodiac (ie. the Sidereal Zodiac with the fixed stars

in it) which does not shake or move. The tenth month in the fixed Zodiac is no

doubt the Capricorn or Makara starting from Aries or Mesha. However in the

Vedic times the tenth month was not called the Makara rashi and we know from

the Mahabharata that it was called the Brahma rashi. As the name indicates this

rashi had a very exalted status, in keeping with the Vedic significance. The

ancient Hindus related the Earth with respect to the entire universe, which of

course includes the solar system, and thus it included  the Stars in the path

(the Gopatha) of the Sun.

>

> The ancient Hindu scholars / seers also related the

Earth separately to the Solar system while considering some of the effects like

the seasons and this Zodiac is called the Seasonal or Tropical Zodiac but this

Zodiac, though does not conform to the Vedic verse, is still useful for noting

the seasonal effects like the Summer and the Winter as well as the Monsoon

cycles.

>

> This amply shows that the Makara Sankranti is rightby

being observed when the Sun enters the Sidereal Makar rashi as  this is the

true Vedic Makar Sankranti. The Winter Solstice is a Seasonal or Tropical

phenomenon and can be celebrated but not necessarily related to the Makara

Rashi and can be called the Surya Jayanti or the Uttarayana Punyakala.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Robert Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

>

> Robert Wilkinson <robtw

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

> " WAVES-Vedic "

<WAVES-Vedic >

> Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

>      

>       The following is a letter from PNB regarding the

correct calendar measure. 

>

>

> Friends,

>     This letter (below) is so typical of AKK. It would

not be worth the trouble to counter, but there may be some students of his who

should have contact with a more enlightened approach to the Hindu Calendar

issue. Certainly AKK cannot offer this light. His mission in life, the purpose

of his birth is to confuse the issue. He does not bring ORDER but rather this

letter, if we take it as an example, presents just the sort of CHAOS and

confusion he is  noted for. But there is another reason for replying.

>

>     How can India become the leader of nations, the

Guru of the world in this new Age, if still her 'wisemen' are so xenophobic?

This is first-rung business. Such prejudices are unacceptable in people who are

supposed to be dealing in the sacred, because the most important qualification

of this Age of Aquarius is UNIVERSALISM. If they knew astrology, they would at

least know this. But the universalised, cosmic consciousness can never come

about when we have 'pundits' like AKK vehemently, unendingly screaming

'Videshis'! My God, have they not learned their lesson, have they not

understood the line from the Veda to the effect that  'All the world is one

family?' Because of this stone-age attitude total chaos abounds in matters

cosmic. The idea, as his letter reveals, is to flood the atmosphere with

hundreds of 'ifs' and 'buts' and 'considerations', and 'sects' and 'texts' and

so on, apart from the usual abuses and insults, so that in the confusion none

can

>  appreciate the simple truth right before their eyes,

if they could but SEE. Indeed, this is the blind leading the blind. Those who

follow such leaders can never be guided to real Knowledge.

>

>     AKK goes on about the true Uttarayana, but he has

no YOGIC KNOWLEDGE, and there is no other way to KNOW what that point in the

cosmic harmony is without a yogic foundation of Knowledge. It has only little

to do with book learning and computations. The precise timing of the entry into

Capricorn and the shortest day of the year, the fourth Cardinal Pole, is a

simple matter; complications are brought in only when one pundit wants to be

superior to another, or gain something over another. I challenge AKK on this

point. He has no idea what the Rigvedic 'Tenth Month Victory' is, which is

precisely that Capricorn point of the Tropical Zodiac. There is nothing

complicated about it. If it continues to be celebrated throughout India (though

wrongly) it is because the Ancients had that realisation. When that happens,

all this back and forth about 'which Makar Sankranti' (????) is just the usual

AKK tricks to confuse the issue. He knows exactly what MS is meant.

>  And this has nothing to do with 'foreigners' or the

so-called 'Vedic astrology' and the long list he provides. This is just

obfuscation and trying to appear 'knowledgeable - but there is no knowledge,

just obfuscation.

>

>    These pundits must go back to the basics. They must

REALISE that Truth. Only then can they speak, only then can they know what

exactly needs to be updated, renewed, re-established. And they must, before all

else, have the humility to recognise one who does have that knowledge. This,

unfortunately is lacking. I quote Sri Aurobindo on this matter, because I came

to the same conclusion: ‘… For some two thousand years at least no Indian

has really understood the Vedas.’

>

>     Perhaps AKK believes he is the exception and he has

come to realise what the Veda contains. But if he hasn't, and this is proven by

his letter, then he should remain silent since he knows nothing of matters

COSMIC which are globally relevant, not reserved for India alone. After all,

the West uses the right calendar. Therefore, it might be wise to listen to

foreigners!

>

>     The Rig Veda provides that cosmic foundation. Not

the calculations and the haggling about this timing or that, about this system

or that. It is about the foundation IN KNOWLEDGE which alone qualifies one to

be held as a leader in this field. Then one knows beyond any doubt what

Uttarayana is because one has realised it. Then there is no confusion. The

verses in the Rigveda in this regard, indicating exactly where AKK has gone

wrong, are the following:

>

>  Twelve spokes, one wheel, navels three.

>

> Who can comprehend this?

>

> On it are placed together

>

> Three hundred and sixty like pegs.

>

> They shake not in the least.

>

> (Rig Veda 1.154.48)

>

>

>

>

>

>     Everything one needs to know is in these lines.

They indicate exactly the mistake AKK and the Vedic Astrologers have made

because it is clearly stated that THE CIRCLE IS ONE. The last line in his

letter reveals that he has not followed this prescription. In their wisdom the

Rishis knew that the Hindu Samaj would be overwhelmed by unknowing. And so they

ask, Who can comprehend this?

>

>     It is time to call the bluff of these self-styled

astrologers and pundits who do not know the basics of what astrology truly is and

why it has played such a prominent place in Indian culture throughout the Ages

until today, and throughout the world. I repeat, India does not have a monopoly

on the subject, let it be known. But, as Sri Aurobindo noted, none have the

Knowledge of the Veda, I am sorry to say. They have become bogged down in

rituals and a thousand considerations that have no relevancy, as we note in

AKK's letter.

>

>     AKK has to prove that HE KNOWS. Not by flinging

insults and abuses about, as is his habit, but by producing a Body of Knowledge

reflective of the realisation contained in the Rigveda. That Body of Knowledge

from him is no where in sight.

>

>     PNB

>     Director, Aeon Centre of Cosmology

>

>

>

>

>

>

>    

>     

>

>    

>    

>

>

> 

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

I am really amused by all this cacophony!

 

Dr. Wilkinson and his mentor Thea are of the opinion that I have absolutely no

knowledge of the Vedas, especially the Rig-Veda since I am not subscribing to

celebrating a so called Sayana Makar Sankranti because “ he (AKK) has no YOGIC

KNOWLEDGEâ€

 

 

 

On the other hand, Shri Hari Malla is of the opinion that my views must be

rejected since I am following a Sayana calendar, including a Sayana Makar

Sankranti, which, according to him, is nothing but Gregorian!

 

 

 

My friend Sunil Bhattacharjya and quit a few of his friends are of the opinion

that I am misleading everybody since I am not celebrating a Nirayana, that also

Lahiri, Makar Sankranti!

 

 

 

All these well wishers of the Hindu community are deliberately overlooking the

fact that I am neither following a so called sayana rashichakra nor nirayana

rashichakra because there are no Mesha etc. rashis in the Vedas! Thus unless

one does some special Tapasya and special yoga and/or unless one has some

special parokshya knowledge, one cannot “see†those Mesha etc. rashis in the

Vedas. And even then, there is no guarantee whether the “tapasvi†and/or

the “parokshyawala†will visualize a so called Sayana Makar Sankranti or a

so called nirayana one because whereas the Thea talks of having “visualizedâ€

a Sayana Makar Rashi through her tapasya and yoga, Shri Bhattacharjya claims to

have visualized nirayana, and that also Lahiri, Makar and other Rashis in the

Vedas!

 

 

 

But I am not celebrating a nirayana Makar Sankrnati because it has absolutely no

sanction from either the sidhantas or the Puranas or even Primary School

Geography, leave alone the Vedas!

 

 

 

All I am doing is celebrating Uttarayana, which has been talked about times

without number in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha and the Puranas and the

sidhantas and for which ordinary mortals like me need neither any yogic

experiences nor any parokshya knowledge!

 

 

 

Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the Vedas or the VJ!) call

that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti!

 

As such, I am celebrating not only one of the four most extolled cardinal points

but also a Pauranic Makar Sankranti! If somebody wants to call it " Vedic " Makar

Sanrkanti by dint of his or her Tapasya, that is his/her prerogative! If others

like Shri Bhattacharjya do not want to call it a Makar Sankranti at all, that

too is their prerogative!

 

So let everybody celebrate his/her brand of Makar Sankranti!

 

But the million dollar question is as to what about the real sidereal Makar

Sankranti, which is on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs 15 mts. UT/GMT since the

longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which

is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! There appear to be

no takers for the same!

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

A K Kaul

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear friends,

 

>

 

> PNB quoted the verse from Rig Veda (1.154.48) and that verse talks about a

fixed Zodiac (ie. the Sidereal Zodiac with the fixed stars in it) which does not

shake or move. The tenth month in the fixed Zodiac is no doubt the Capricorn or

Makara starting from Aries or Mesha. However in the Vedic times the tenth month

was not called the Makara rashi and we know from the Mahabharata that it was

called the Brahma rashi. As the name indicates this rashi had a very exalted

status, in keeping with the Vedic significance. The ancient Hindus related the

Earth with respect to the entire universe, which of course includes the solar

system, and thus it included the Stars in the path (the Gopatha) of the Sun.

 

>

 

> The ancient Hindu scholars / seers also related the Earth separately to the

Solar system while considering some of the effects like the seasons and this

Zodiac is called the Seasonal or Tropical Zodiac but this Zodiac, though does

not conform to the Vedic verse, is still useful for noting the seasonal effects

like the Summer and the Winter as well as the Monsoon cycles.

 

>

 

> This amply shows that the Makara Sankranti is rightby being observed when the

Sun enters the Sidereal Makar rashi as this is the true Vedic Makar

Sankranti. The Winter Solstice is a Seasonal or Tropical phenomenon and can be

celebrated but not necessarily related to the Makara Rashi and can be called the

Surya Jayanti or the Uttarayana Punyakala.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

>

 

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

>

 

> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Robert Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

 

>

 

> Robert Wilkinson <robtw

 

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

 

> " WAVES-Vedic " <WAVES-Vedic >

 

> Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

 

>

 

> The following is a letter from PNB regarding the correct calendar

measure.

 

>

 

>

 

> Friends,

 

> This letter (below) is so typical of AKK. It would not be worth the

trouble to counter, but there may be some students of his who should have

contact with a more enlightened approach to the Hindu Calendar issue. Certainly

AKK cannot offer this light. His mission in life, the purpose of his birth is to

confuse the issue. He does not bring ORDER but rather this letter, if we take it

as an example, presents just the sort of CHAOS and confusion he is noted for.

But there is another reason for replying.

 

>

 

> How can India become the leader of nations, the Guru of the world in this

new Age, if still her 'wisemen' are so xenophobic? This is first-rung business.

Such prejudices are unacceptable in people who are supposed to be dealing in the

sacred, because the most important qualification of this Age of Aquarius is

UNIVERSALISM. If they knew astrology, they would at least know this. But the

universalised, cosmic consciousness can never come about when we have 'pundits'

like AKK vehemently, unendingly screaming 'Videshis'! My God, have they not

learned their lesson, have they not understood the line from the Veda to the

effect that 'All the world is one family?' Because of this stone-age attitude

total chaos abounds in matters cosmic. The idea, as his letter reveals, is to

flood the atmosphere with hundreds of 'ifs' and 'buts' and 'considerations', and

'sects' and 'texts' and so on, apart from the usual abuses and insults, so that

in the confusion none can

 

> appreciate the simple truth right before their eyes, if they could but SEE.

Indeed, this is the blind leading the blind. Those who follow such leaders can

never be guided to real Knowledge.

 

>

 

> AKK goes on about the true Uttarayana, but he has no YOGIC KNOWLEDGE, and

there is no other way to KNOW what that point in the cosmic harmony is without a

yogic foundation of Knowledge. It has only little to do with book learning and

computations. The precise timing of the entry into Capricorn and the shortest

day of the year, the fourth Cardinal Pole, is a simple matter; complications are

brought in only when one pundit wants to be superior to another, or gain

something over another. I challenge AKK on this point. He has no idea what the

Rigvedic 'Tenth Month Victory' is, which is precisely that Capricorn point of

the Tropical Zodiac. There is nothing complicated about it. If it continues to

be celebrated throughout India (though wrongly) it is because the Ancients had

that realisation. When that happens, all this back and forth about 'which Makar

Sankranti' (????) is just the usual AKK tricks to confuse the issue. He knows

exactly what MS is meant.

 

> And this has nothing to do with 'foreigners' or the so-called 'Vedic

astrology' and the long list he provides. This is just obfuscation and trying to

appear 'knowledgeable - but there is no knowledge, just obfuscation.

 

>

 

> These pundits must go back to the basics. They must REALISE that Truth.

Only then can they speak, only then can they know what exactly needs to be

updated, renewed, re-established. And they must, before all else, have the

humility to recognise one who does have that knowledge. This, unfortunately is

lacking. I quote Sri Aurobindo on this matter, because I came to the same

conclusion: ‘… For some two thousand years at least no Indian has

really understood the Vedas.’

 

>

 

> Perhaps AKK believes he is the exception and he has come to realise what

the Veda contains. But if he hasn't, and this is proven by his letter, then he

should remain silent since he knows nothing of matters COSMIC which are globally

relevant, not reserved for India alone. After all, the West uses the right

calendar. Therefore, it might be wise to listen to foreigners!

 

>

 

> The Rig Veda provides that cosmic foundation. Not the calculations and the

haggling about this timing or that, about this system or that. It is about the

foundation IN KNOWLEDGE which alone qualifies one to be held as a leader in this

field. Then one knows beyond any doubt what Uttarayana is because one has

realised it. Then there is no confusion. The verses in the Rigveda in this

regard, indicating exactly where AKK has gone wrong, are the following:

 

>

 

> Twelve spokes, one wheel, navels three.

 

>

 

> Who can comprehend this?

 

>

 

> On it are placed together

 

>

 

> Three hundred and sixty like pegs.

 

>

 

> They shake not in the least.

 

>

 

> (Rig Veda 1.154.48)

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Everything one needs to know is in these lines. They indicate exactly the

mistake AKK and the Vedic Astrologers have made because it is clearly stated

that THE CIRCLE IS ONE. The last line in his letter reveals that he has not

followed this prescription. In their wisdom the Rishis knew that the Hindu Samaj

would be overwhelmed by unknowing. And so they ask, Who can comprehend this?

 

>

 

> It is time to call the bluff of these self-styled astrologers and pundits

who do not know the basics of what astrology truly is and why it has played such

a prominent place in Indian culture throughout the Ages until today, and

throughout the world. I repeat, India does not have a monopoly on the subject,

let it be known. But, as Sri Aurobindo noted, none have the Knowledge of the

Veda, I am sorry to say. They have become bogged down in rituals and a thousand

considerations that have no relevancy, as we note in AKK's letter.

 

>

 

> AKK has to prove that HE KNOWS. Not by flinging insults and abuses about,

as is his habit, but by producing a Body of Knowledge reflective of the

realisation contained in the Rigveda. That Body of Knowledge from him is no

where in sight.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Jyotirved gives another bluff when he says as follows "

 

///   Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the Vedas or the

VJ!) call that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti!   ///

 

 

No purana had ever said that  the Uttarayana day is the Makar Sankranti as the

ancient rishis knew that the Uttarayana shifts fron nakshatra to nakshatra

(rashi to rashi) in course of time. The Bhagavata Purana was recited before

Parikshita in the 31st century BCE and at that time Makar Sankranti was in the

Dakshinayana and  any astronomer worth his salt qwill admit this.. I mentioned

that in my earlier mail and Jyotirved ignores that to his convenience. Hope

Ramji will not go on toleratingsuch  bluffs after bluffs.

 

Secondly since Jyotirved  does not believe in Sidereal Makar Sankranti  he has

no business to poke his long nose into the million dollar question. Let the

believers discuss such points and not Jyotirved.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattachatrjya

 

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

jyotirved <jyotirved

Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

 

Cc: hinducalendar , " 'subash razdan' " <subashrazdan,

vedic_research_institute , indiaarchaeology

Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

 

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

 

 

I am really amused by all this cacophony!

 

 

 

Dr. Wilkinson and his mentor Thea are of the opinion that I have absolutely no

knowledge of the Vedas, especially the Rig-Veda since I am not subscribing to

celebrating a so called Sayana Makar Sankranti because “ he (AKK) has no YOGIC

KNOWLEDGEâ€

 

 

 

On the other hand, Shri Hari Malla is of the opinion that my views must be

rejected since I am following a Sayana calendar, including a Sayana Makar

Sankranti, which, according to him, is nothing but Gregorian!

 

 

 

My friend Sunil Bhattacharjya and quit a few of his friends are of the opinion

that I am misleading everybody since I am not celebrating a Nirayana, that also

Lahiri, Makar Sankranti!

 

 

 

All these well wishers of the Hindu community are deliberately overlooking the

fact that I am neither following a so called sayana rashichakra nor nirayana

rashichakra because there are no Mesha etc. rashis in the Vedas! Thus unless

one does some special Tapasya and special yoga and/or unless one has some

special parokshya knowledge, one cannot “see†those Mesha etc. rashis in the

Vedas. And even then, there is no guarantee whether the “tapasvi†and/or

the “parokshyawala†will visualize a so called Sayana Makar Sankranti or a

so called nirayana one because whereas the Thea talks of having “visualizedâ€

a Sayana Makar Rashi through her tapasya and yoga, Shri Bhattacharjya claims to

have visualized nirayana, and that also Lahiri, Makar and other Rashis in the

Vedas!

 

 

 

But I am not celebrating a nirayana Makar Sankrnati because it has absolutely no

sanction from either the sidhantas or the Puranas or even Primary School

Geography, leave alone the Vedas!

 

 

 

All I am doing is celebrating Uttarayana, which has been talked about times

without number in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha and the Puranas and the

sidhantas and for which ordinary mortals like me need neither any yogic

experiences nor any parokshya knowledge!

 

 

 

Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the Vedas or the VJ!) call

that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti!

 

 

 

As such, I am celebrating not only one of the four most extolled cardinal points

but also a Pauranic Makar Sankranti! If somebody wants to call it " Vedic " Makar

Sanrkanti by dint of his or her Tapasya, that is his/her prerogative! If others

like Shri Bhattacharjya do not want to call it a Makar Sankranti at all, that

too is their prerogative!

 

 

 

So let everybody celebrate his/her brand of Makar Sankranti!

 

 

 

But the million dollar question is as to what about the real sidereal Makar

Sankranti, which is on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs 15 mts. UT/GMT since the

longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which

 

is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! There appear to be

no takers for the same!

 

 

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

 

 

A K Kaul

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

 

 

 

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> Dear friends,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> PNB quoted the verse from Rig Veda (1.154.48) and that verse talks about a

fixed Zodiac (ie. the Sidereal Zodiac with the fixed stars in it) which does not

shake or move. The tenth month in the fixed Zodiac is no doubt the Capricorn or

Makara starting from Aries or Mesha. However in the Vedic times the tenth month

was not called the Makara rashi and we know from the Mahabharata that it was

called the Brahma rashi. As the name indicates this rashi had a very exalted

status, in keeping with the Vedic significance. The ancient Hindus related the

Earth with respect to the entire universe, which of course includes the solar

system, and thus it included the Stars in the path (the Gopatha) of the Sun.

 

 

 

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> The ancient Hindu scholars / seers also related the Earth separately to the

Solar system while considering some of the effects like the seasons and this

Zodiac is called the Seasonal or Tropical Zodiac but this Zodiac, though does

not conform to the Vedic verse, is still useful for noting the seasonal effects

like the Summer and the Winter as well as the Monsoon cycles.

 

 

 

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> This amply shows that the Makara Sankranti is rightby being observed when the

Sun enters the Sidereal Makar rashi as this is the true Vedic Makar

Sankranti. The Winter Solstice is a Seasonal or Tropical phenomenon and can be

celebrated but not necessarily related to the Makara Rashi and can be called the

Surya Jayanti or the Uttarayana Punyakala.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Regards,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Robert Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

 

 

 

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> Robert Wilkinson <robtw

 

 

 

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

 

 

 

> " WAVES-Vedic " <WAVES-Vedic>

 

 

 

> Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

 

 

 

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> The following is a letter from PNB regarding the correct calendar

measure.

 

 

 

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> Friends,

 

 

 

> This letter (below) is so typical of AKK. It would not be worth the

trouble to counter, but there may be some students of his who should have

contact with a more enlightened approach to the Hindu Calendar issue. Certainly

AKK cannot offer this light. His mission in life, the purpose of his birth is to

confuse the issue. He does not bring ORDER but rather this letter, if we take it

as an example, presents just the sort of CHAOS and confusion he is noted for.

But there is another reason for replying.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> How can India become the leader of nations, the Guru of the world in this

new Age, if still her 'wisemen' are so xenophobic? This is first-rung business.

Such prejudices are unacceptable in people who are supposed to be dealing in the

sacred, because the most important qualification of this Age of Aquarius is

UNIVERSALISM. If they knew astrology, they would at least know this. But the

universalised, cosmic consciousness can never come about when we have 'pundits'

like AKK vehemently, unendingly screaming 'Videshis'! My God, have they not

learned their lesson, have they not understood the line from the Veda to the

effect that 'All the world is one family?' Because of this stone-age attitude

total chaos abounds in matters cosmic. The idea, as his letter reveals, is to

flood the atmosphere with hundreds of 'ifs' and 'buts' and 'considerations' ,

and 'sects' and 'texts' and so on, apart from the usual abuses and insults, so

that in the confusion none

can

 

 

 

> appreciate the simple truth right before their eyes, if they could but SEE.

Indeed, this is the blind leading the blind. Those who follow such leaders can

never be guided to real Knowledge.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> AKK goes on about the true Uttarayana, but he has no YOGIC KNOWLEDGE, and

there is no other way to KNOW what that point in the cosmic harmony is without a

yogic foundation of Knowledge. It has only little to do with book learning and

computations. The precise timing of the entry into Capricorn and the shortest

day of the year, the fourth Cardinal Pole, is a simple matter; complications are

brought in only when one pundit wants to be superior to another, or gain

something over another. I challenge AKK on this point. He has no idea what the

Rigvedic 'Tenth Month Victory' is, which is precisely that Capricorn point of

the Tropical Zodiac. There is nothing complicated about it. If it continues to

be celebrated throughout India (though wrongly) it is because the Ancients had

that realisation. When that happens, all this back and forth about 'which Makar

Sankranti' (????) is just the usual AKK tricks to confuse the issue. He knows

exactly what MS is

meant.

 

 

 

> And this has nothing to do with 'foreigners' or the so-called 'Vedic

astrology' and the long list he provides. This is just obfuscation and trying to

appear 'knowledgeable - but there is no knowledge, just obfuscation.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> These pundits must go back to the basics. They must REALISE that Truth.

Only then can they speak, only then can they know what exactly needs to be

updated, renewed, re-established. And they must, before all else, have the

humility to recognise one who does have that knowledge. This, unfortunately is

lacking. I quote Sri Aurobindo on this matter, because I came to the same

conclusion: ‘… For some two thousand years at least no Indian has

really understood the Vedas.’

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Perhaps AKK believes he is the exception and he has come to realise what

the Veda contains. But if he hasn't, and this is proven by his letter, then he

should remain silent since he knows nothing of matters COSMIC which are globally

relevant, not reserved for India alone. After all, the West uses the right

calendar. Therefore, it might be wise to listen to foreigners!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> The Rig Veda provides that cosmic foundation. Not the calculations and the

haggling about this timing or that, about this system or that. It is about the

foundation IN KNOWLEDGE which alone qualifies one to be held as a leader in this

field. Then one knows beyond any doubt what Uttarayana is because one has

realised it. Then there is no confusion. The verses in the Rigveda in this

regard, indicating exactly where AKK has gone wrong, are the following:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Twelve spokes, one wheel, navels three.

 

 

 

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> Who can comprehend this?

 

 

 

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> On it are placed together

 

 

 

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> Three hundred and sixty like pegs.

 

 

 

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> They shake not in the least.

 

 

 

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> (Rig Veda 1.154.48)

 

 

 

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> Everything one needs to know is in these lines. They indicate exactly the

mistake AKK and the Vedic Astrologers have made because it is clearly stated

that THE CIRCLE IS ONE. The last line in his letter reveals that he has not

followed this prescription. In their wisdom the Rishis knew that the Hindu Samaj

would be overwhelmed by unknowing. And so they ask, Who can comprehend this?

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> It is time to call the bluff of these self-styled astrologers and pundits

who do not know the basics of what astrology truly is and why it has played such

a prominent place in Indian culture throughout the Ages until today, and

throughout the world. I repeat, India does not have a monopoly on the subject,

let it be known. But, as Sri Aurobindo noted, none have the Knowledge of the

Veda, I am sorry to say. They have become bogged down in rituals and a thousand

considerations that have no relevancy, as we note in AKK's letter.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> AKK has to prove that HE KNOWS. Not by flinging insults and abuses about,

as is his habit, but by producing a Body of Knowledge reflective of the

realisation contained in the Rigveda. That Body of Knowledge from him is no

where in sight.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal. Let Jyotirved show a single statement if any purana

specifically mentioned that the Rashis are not sidereeal. All  the Rashis

mentioned in the Puranas, as quoted by  Jyotirved in his  BVB6.doc,   are

sidereal. His assertions that the Rashis are not sidereal would not change what

Vamana purana says about the rashis. The Vamana purana tells us which ar the

nakshatras in a particular Rashi.. Puranas have not talked about Sayana rashi

chakra. Jyotirved is shamelessly continuing your bluffs.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

 

Krishen <jyotirved

[WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

 

Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

 

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

 

 

Shri Bhattacharjya has said, " No purana had ever said that the

 

Uttarayana day is the Makar Sankranti as the ancient rishis knew that

 

the Uttarayana shifts fron nakshatra to nakshatra (rashi to rashi) in

 

course of time. The Bhagavata Purana was recited before Parikshita in

 

the 31st century BCE and at that time Makar Sankranti was in the

 

Dakshinayana and any astronomer worth his salt qwill admit this.. I

 

mentioned that in my earlier mail and Jyotirved ignores that to his

 

convenience. Hope Ramji will not go on toleratingsuch bluffs after

 

bluffs. "

 

 

 

Just to refresh Shri Bhattacharjya' s memory, I am quoting just a few

 

excerpts from BVB6.doc so that the forum members can see it for

 

themsleves that the Puranas and also the sidhantas talk invariably of a

 

so called Sayana Rashichakra when they say that on the day of Mesha

 

Sankranti day is equal to night and so on.

 

 

 

Jai Shri Ram.

 

 

 

******** ********

 

******

 

 

 

5. Puranas: I have already quoted hundreds of proofs with

 

chapter and verse in my Panchangas and other articles. It is no use to

 

repeat them here again. Suffice to quote a few only from a couple of

 

Puranas. First the Vishnupurana: 2/8/28-31 and 67-68

 

 

 

ayanasyotarasyadav makaram yati bhaskarah

 

 

 

tatah kumbham cha menam cha rashe rashyantaram dvija

 

(28)

 

 

 

trishu eteshu atha bhukteshu tato vaishuvatim gatim

 

 

 

prayati savita kurvan ahoratram tatah samam

 

(29)

 

 

 

tato ratrih kshayam yati vardhate anudinam dinam

 

(30)

 

 

 

tatashcha mithunasyante param kashtham upagatah

 

 

 

rashim karkatam prapya kurute dakshinayanam

 

(31)

 

 

 

" In the beginning of Uttarayana, the sun enters

 

Capricorn (Makara Rashi) there from going to Kumbha and them Mina. After

 

having passed through these three signs, it just gains vishuvati

 

(equinoctial) speed resulting in the day and night being equal on Mesha.

 

After that, nights start decreasing and the days increasing

 

correspondingly daily. Then when the sun is in the end of Mithuna Rashi,

 

i.e. when it is just at the verge of entering Cancer, the day is the

 

longest then and Dakshnayana starts on that date " .

 

 

 

Sharad vsantyor Madhye vishuvam to vibhavyete

 

 

 

Tula mesh gate bhanav samratri divam tu tat

 

(67)

 

 

 

Karkatavasthite bhanav dakshiyanamuchete

 

 

 

Uttarayanam api uktam makarasthe divakare

 

(88)

 

 

 

" In the midst of sharat ritu and vasanta ritu, vishuvas (equinoxes)

 

take place with the entry of the sun into Tula (Libra) and Mesha (Aries)

 

respectively and days and nights become equal on those two sankrantis.

 

The entry of sun into Cancer (Karkata) is known as dakshinayana whereas

 

its entry into Maraka is known as Uttarayana "

 

 

 

Now Shrimadbhagavata, 5/21/4-6

 

 

 

yada mesh tulyor vartate tada ahoratrani samanani bhavanti yada

 

vrishadishu panchasu cha rashishu charati tada ahani eva vardhante

 

hrasati cha masi masi ekaika ghatika ratrishu (4) yada

 

vrishchikadishu panchasu vartate tada ahoratrani viparyayani bhavanti

 

(5) yavad dakshinayanam ahani vardhante yavad uttarayanam ratrayah

 

(6)

 

 

 

" When the sun enters Mesha and Tula days and nights are equal on

 

those dates and the day starts getting longer as compared to nights when

 

the sun passes through Vrisha etc. five rashis then days keep on

 

increasing and the nights decreasing by one ghati every month. (After

 

the day and night have become equal on Tula Sankranti) the nights keep

 

on increasing during the sojourn of five rashis of Vrishchika etc. In

 

short, during Uttarayana days keep on increasing till Dakshinayana and

 

after that nights keep on increasing " .

 

 

 

Vishnurhdarmotarapu rana 3/8/6-8 says

 

 

 

tula meshagate bhanav vishuvad dinam uchete,

 

 

 

dhanvato mithunantashcha ayane soasya dakshine,

 

 

 

" When the sun is in Mesha and Tula, they are the days of Vishuva

 

i.e. days and nights are equal then. From the end of Dhanu (start of

 

Makara) Uttarayana starts and from the end of Mithuna (start of Karkata)

 

Dakshniyana starts "

 

 

 

Any discussion on such topics is incomplete without appropriate

 

references from Shivamahapurana: We just quote one 5/51/54 from this

 

Purana below:

 

 

 

madhavasya site pakshe tritiya ya akshayabida

 

 

 

tasyam yo jagadambayah vratam kuryad atandritah…

 

 

 

" The tritiya of Shukla paksha of Madhava (!) is know as akshayaya

 

tritiya. One who observes a fast for Jagadamba on that date (gets

 

immortal and thousand fold results) "

 

 

 

It is to be noted here that Akshaya tritiya is to be

 

observed in (lunar) Madhava that means according to Shiva-Mahapurana

 

also Vaishakha does not have any other existence besides Madhava! Thus

 

the akshyaya tritiya that we observed in 2003 on May 4, was against all

 

the shastras since solar Madhava had ended on April 20 and lunar Madhava

 

on April 30! A similar situation is going to crop up in 2005. We will

 

be asked to celebrate Akshaya tritiya on May 12, when solar Madhava will

 

have ended on April 20 and lunar Madhava shukla paksha will start on

 

April 8, 2005 which means it should be celebrated actually on April 11,

 

2005!

 

 

 

Now obviously, if as per all the Vedas, Vedanga Jyotisha, Surya

 

Sidhanta, Bhagavata, Vishnupurana, Vishnudharmotarapur ana and Shiva

 

Mahapurana etc. etc. solar Shravana is another name of Dakshinayana viz

 

sun in Karkata, it starts on June 21 in 2004. The first shukla pratipat

 

after that is on July 18. Therefore, that is the day when the Lunar

 

Shravana starts in 2004 as per all the Vedas and Puranas etc. As such,

 

Shravana Purnima viz Raksha Bandhan and Amarnath Yatra etc. should be

 

celebrated on July 31 in 2004. Why are our panchangakars asking us to

 

celebrate it on August 29 instead? Only because they treat the entire

 

Hindu society as ignorant fools who have no idea about the criteria of

 

any festivals! Or is it that the panchangakars do not know anything

 

themselves but are just copying from others like blind following blind?

 

 

 

End excerpt

 

 

 

******* *********

 

*******

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear friends,

 

>

 

> Jyotirved gives another bluff when he says as follows "

 

>

 

> ///Â Â Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the

 

Vedas or the VJ!) call that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti!Â

 

 ///

 

>

 

>

 

> No purana had ever said that the Uttarayana day is the Makar

 

Sankranti as the ancient rishis knew that the Uttarayana shifts fron

 

nakshatra to nakshatra (rashi to rashi) in course of time. The Bhagavata

 

Purana was recited before Parikshita in the 31st century BCE and at that

 

time Makar Sankranti was in the Dakshinayana and any astronomer

 

worth his salt qwill admit this.. I mentioned that in my earlier mail

 

and Jyotirved ignores that to his convenience. Hope Ramji will not go on

 

toleratingsuch bluffs after bluffs.

 

>

 

> Secondly since Jyotirved does not believe in Sidereal Makar

 

Sankranti he has no business to poke his long nose into the million

 

dollar question. Let the believers discuss such points and not

 

Jyotirved.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

>

 

> Sunil K. Bhattachatrjya

 

>

 

> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, jyotirved jyotirved@.. . wrote:

 

>

 

> jyotirved jyotirved@.. .

 

> Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

 

Norelli-Bachelet

 

>

 

> Cc: hinducalendar, " 'subash razdan' " subashrazdan@ ...,

 

vedic_research_ institute,

 

indiaarchaeology

 

> Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:57 AM

 

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Jai Jai Shri Ramji.

 

I am appealing  to you earnestly to tell the truth to Jyotirved that the

definition of the Vamana purana  is authentic and that the nakshatras are not

imaginary. Avtar Krishen takes your name and so  it is binding on you to remove

his misunderstanding.

 

Pranaam

 

Your devotee Sunil

 

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

 

Krishen <jyotirved

[WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

 

Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:00 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

< All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal.>

 

Rashis are imaginary twelve equal animal divisions of twelve/thirteen unequal

animal divisions of an imaginary circle called zodiac which ranges between nine

degrees aboe and nine degrees below of yet another imaginary circle known as

ecliptic. Thus those " equal aninmals " can neither be sidereal nor tropical!

 

The myth of nirayana and sayana rashis is also a creation of jyotishis without

any scientic basis.

 

As such, if Shri Bhattacharjya believes that even the Pauranic rishis had no

idea about rashi divisions being imaginary, that is his prerogative, and nobody

can help him!

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

A K Kaul

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear friends,

 

>

 

> All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal. Let Jyotirved show a single statement if any purana

specifically mentioned that the Rashis are not sidereeal. All  the Rashis

mentioned in the Puranas, as quoted by  Jyotirved in his 

BVB6.doc,   are sidereal. His assertions that the Rashis are not sidereal

would not change what Vamana purana says about the rashis. The Vamana purana

tells us which ar the nakshatras in a particular Rashi.. Puranas have not talked

about Sayana rashi chakra. Jyotirved is shamelessly continuing your bluffs.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

>

 

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Krishen <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> Krishen <jyotirved@. ..>

 

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

 

>

 

> Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:22 AM

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil ji,

 

I like your spirit and persistency. You are really a brave man. please continue

this fight.

 

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Jai Jai Shri Ramji.

>

> I am appealing  to you earnestly to tell the truth to Jyotirved that the

definition of the Vamana purana  is authentic and that the nakshatras are not

imaginary. Avtar Krishen takes your name and so  it is binding on you to remove

his misunderstanding.

>

> Pranaam

>

> Your devotee Sunil

>

> --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

>

> Krishen <jyotirved

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

>

> Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:00 AM

>

 

>

>

>

Dear friends,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> < All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal.>

>

> Rashis are imaginary twelve equal animal divisions of twelve/thirteen unequal

animal divisions of an imaginary circle called zodiac which ranges between nine

degrees aboe and nine degrees below of yet another imaginary circle known as

ecliptic. Thus those " equal aninmals " can neither be sidereal nor tropical!

>

> The myth of nirayana and sayana rashis is also a creation of jyotishis without

any scientic basis.

>

> As such, if Shri Bhattacharjya believes that even the Pauranic rishis had no

idea about rashi divisions being imaginary, that is his prerogative, and nobody

can help him!

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> A K Kaul

>

>

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear friends,

>

> >

>

> > All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal. Let Jyotirved show a single statement if any purana

specifically mentioned that the Rashis are not sidereeal. All  the Rashis

mentioned in the Puranas, as quoted by  Jyotirved in his 

BVB6.doc,   are sidereal. His assertions that the Rashis are not sidereal

would not change what Vamana purana says about the rashis. The Vamana purana

tells us which ar the nakshatras in a particular Rashi.. Puranas have not talked

about Sayana rashi chakra. Jyotirved is shamelessly continuing your bluffs.

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> >

>

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Krishen <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Krishen <jyotirved@ ..>

>

> > [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

>

> >

>

> > Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:22 AM

>

> >

>

> >

>