Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Respected Gopal Krishan ji; Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right; even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s basic is also this. Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the thinking process. The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity, awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at least study it if not attempting it. i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. please help me. Regards Kulbir , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > Regards. > Kulbir Bains. > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who new him over the period of 14 years. > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society, > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site //http://www.well.com/~jct/// i don't recall the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored by Mahesh Bhatt. > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > Most Humbly; > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > good post indeed. > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > through the > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he stored > > > to hit > > > his neighbour " // > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give reference > > > to it? > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " kulbir " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall Street's > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael Douglas to > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > and > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on the > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of > > > money; > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and second > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the > > > two. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source to > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in nature. > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF. > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in long > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only for > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is my > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight bcoz > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You and > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vidya " > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want to > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks stay > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The day > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in the > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, nobody > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work and > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may be. > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes nearer > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vidya " > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each other. > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- Mothers, > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa for > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband Patiyo > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury to > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like prayers, > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, or > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It may > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It is > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it. > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. So no human effort is > > > ever gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2551 - > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/09/09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 01:24:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbirji, Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to one system which alone will bring out excellent results. Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward to more posts from you to understand this person better. Thanks and Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of kulbir Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti Respected Gopal Krishan ji; Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right; even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s basic is also this. Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the thinking process. The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity, awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at least study it if not attempting it. i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. please help me. Regards Kulbir , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > Regards. > Kulbir Bains. > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who new him over the period of 14 years. > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society, > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site //http://www.well.com/~jct/// i don't recall the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored by Mahesh Bhatt. > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > Most Humbly; > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > good post indeed. > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > through the > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he stored > > > to hit > > > his neighbour " // > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give reference > > > to it? > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " kulbir " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall Street's > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael Douglas to > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > and > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on the > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of > > > money; > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and second > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the > > > two. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source to > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in nature. > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF. > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in long > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only for > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is my > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight bcoz > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You and > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Vidya " > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want to > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks stay > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The day > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in the > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, nobody > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work and > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may be. > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes nearer > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Vidya " > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each other. > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- Mothers, > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa for > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband Patiyo > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury to > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like prayers, > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, or > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It may > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It is > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it. > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,already 3/4 posts.Boy oh boy....Thanks for the info.Normally UG keeps repeating whatever he said.This one i did not hear and hence the clarification.He could have said that to Mahesh Bhat who is considered close to him(there are no so called inner circles,but only cicles).Mahesh Bhat is also the one who took him to the graveyard in italy and did not even bringout the ashes under his instruction!!!That's the FIRE called UG.Take it easy and go slow.Dont jump into that fire.It's good for both of us.I can not go fast in matters except driving.(Sat in 2nd,mo in 4th).I did not know anything about LK but it sounds good in your words.Hope i could learn something from you.Pl dont prefix any respect to my name since i dont believe in it because when we like some one we use it and when we dont like?(abuse!!).That's the human MIND and also learnt from the great UG.....though he says "we dont learn anything."All the best,Love and regards,gopi. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right; even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s basic is also this.> > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the thinking process.> > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity, awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at least study it if not attempting it.> i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. please help me.> > Regards> Kulbir> > > , "kulbir" kulbirbains@ wrote:> >> > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > Regards.> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who new him over the period of 14 years.> > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society,> > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site //http://www.well.com/~jct/// i don't recall the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > Most Humbly;> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > good post indeed.> > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > through the> > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he stored> > > > to hit> > > > his neighbour"//> > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally> > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give reference> > > > to it?> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > >> > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in> > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall Street's> > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > >> > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael Douglas to> > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > and> > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on the> > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > >> > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > >> > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict> > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single> > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > >> > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of> > > > money;> > > > >> > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man> > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > >> > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a> > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > >> > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > contribution to society.> > > > >> > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils> > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > >> > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the> > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that> > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and second> > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the> > > > two.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source to> > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > >> > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > >> > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the> > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in nature.> > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF.> > > > > >> > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in long> > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a> > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Anita R> > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only for> > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is my> > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight bcoz> > > > they> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a> > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love> > > > from> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with> > > > You. And in> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You and> > > > want to> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vidya"> > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want to> > > > stay in> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for> > > > petty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks stay> > > > to her> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the> > > > morning tea> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes> > > > after a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The day> > > > passes> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in the> > > > evening> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, nobody> > > > to care> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work and> > > > idle> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not> > > > for any> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural> > > > odour> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > whenever he> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning> > > > he again> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all> > > > ladies> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may be.> > > > This> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes nearer> > > > to Him,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vidya"> > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of her> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common> > > > theme here> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each other.> > > > The> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps> > > > knowing> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- Mothers,> > > > girls> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi> > > > for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa for> > > > learning> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband Patiyo> > > > ka> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be> > > > recited> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > worship,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or> > > > just> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with> > > > utmost> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury to> > > > be> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like prayers,> > > > puja,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, or> > > > we> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It may> > > > not be> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It is> > > > just> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it.> > > > You can> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > worship so> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Santosh ji,sorry to intervene.// Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.//this one is just an opinion of some since no one,even closest knows what he is; just as i called him Fire.He never objected anybody and never clarified as well......Love and regards,gopi. , "Santhosh" <santhosh wrote:>> Dear Kulbirji,> > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your> thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to one> system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward> to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Santhosh> > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of kulbir> Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i> crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right;> even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and> interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G.> was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom> to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s> basic is also this.> > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB> KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no> introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as> a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi> Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the> thinking process.> > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it> is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity,> awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab> itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7> planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu> and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle> or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of> the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu> ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail.> incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of> meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of> lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it> is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in> lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at> least study it if not attempting it.> i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be> needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only> my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was> desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take> exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people.> please help me.> > Regards> Kulbir> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "kulbir" kulbirbains@ wrote:> >> > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt;> Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of> mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the> jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your> civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of> mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that> their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of> mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb> that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a> crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > Regards.> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever> have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted> with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who> new him over the period of 14 years.> > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society,> > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site> //http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored> by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > Most Humbly;> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > good post indeed.> > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > through the> > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he> stored> > > > to hit> > > > his neighbour"//> > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally> > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give> reference> > > > to it?> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology , "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > >> > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in> > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall> Street's> > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > >> > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael Douglas to> > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > and> > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on> the> > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > >> > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > >> > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict> > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single> > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > >> > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of> > > > money;> > > > >> > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man> > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > >> > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a> > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > >> > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > contribution to society.> > > > >> > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils> > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > >> > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the> > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that> > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and> second> > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the> > > > two.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source to> > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > >> > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > >> > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the> > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in> nature.> > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF.> > > > > >> > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in> long> > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology , "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only> a> > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology , Anita R> > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only> for> > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is> my> > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight> bcoz> > > > they> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a> > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love> > > > from> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with> > > > You. And in> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You> and> > > > want to> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vidya"> > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want> to> > > > stay in> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for> > > > petty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks> stay> > > > to her> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the> > > > morning tea> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes> > > > after a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The> day> > > > passes> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in> the> > > > evening> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to,> nobody> > > > to care> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work> and> > > > idle> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not> > > > for any> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural> > > > odour> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > whenever he> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning> > > > he again> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all> > > > ladies> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may> be.> > > > This> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes> nearer> > > > to Him,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Vidya"> > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of> her> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common> > > > theme here> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each> other.> > > > The> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps> > > > knowing> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:-> Mothers,> > > > girls> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi> > > > for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa> for> > > > learning> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband> Patiyo> > > > ka> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be> > > > recited> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > worship,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or> > > > just> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with> > > > utmost> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury> to> > > > be> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like> prayers,> > > > puja,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking,> or> > > > we> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It> may> > > > not be> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It> is> > > > just> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it.> > > > You can> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > worship so> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Santhosh ji; He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; " " i know cancer treats sinners and saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer " " Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt; " " Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an incense stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle of palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the stack. The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down so long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able to describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling. The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man: What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like a droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana, completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him to understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. Nagaraj stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed. 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun) like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any kind, he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere. This person should be addressed as " atma " and not as " man " (implying that individuality is absent in him).' Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote: 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were evidently eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this and other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but if anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good example. The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding U. G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It said: You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the reading. The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man, whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase of the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually... For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, the nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of the reading, recorded the above account. , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote: > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to one > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward > to more posts from you to understand this person better. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of kulbir > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji; > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right; > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s > basic is also this. > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the > thinking process. > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity, > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at > least study it if not attempting it. > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. > please help me. > > Regards > Kulbir > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; > Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > > > Regards. > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who > new him over the period of 14 years. > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society, > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site > //http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored > by Mahesh Bhatt. > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > > Most Humbly; > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > good post indeed. > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > through the > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he > stored > > > > to hit > > > > his neighbour " // > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give > reference > > > > to it? > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall > Street's > > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael Douglas to > > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > > and > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on > the > > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single > > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of > > > > money; > > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils > > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and > second > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source to > > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in > nature. > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in > long > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only > a > > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , Anita R > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only > for > > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is > my > > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight > bcoz > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a > > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with > > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You > and > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vidya " > > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want > to > > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks > stay > > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the > > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes > > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The > day > > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in > the > > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, > nobody > > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work > and > > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural > > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning > > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all > > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may > be. > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes > nearer > > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Vidya " > > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common > > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each > other. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- > Mothers, > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa > for > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband > Patiyo > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with > > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like > prayers, > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, > or > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbirji, Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must be some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power guarding us. Regards and Thanks Santhosh On Behalf Of kulbir Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti Dear Santhosh ji; He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; " " i know cancer treats sinners and saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer " " Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt; " " Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an incense stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle of palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the stack. The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down so long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able to describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling. The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man: What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like a droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana, completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him to understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. Nagaraj stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed. 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun) like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any kind, he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere. This person should be addressed as " atma " and not as " man " (implying that individuality is absent in him).' Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote: 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were evidently eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this and other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but if anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good example. The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding U. G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It said: You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the reading. The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man, whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase of the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually... For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, the nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of the reading, recorded the above account. , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote: > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to one > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward > to more posts from you to understand this person better. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of kulbir > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji; > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right; > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s > basic is also this. > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the > thinking process. > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity, > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at > least study it if not attempting it. > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. > please help me. > > Regards > Kulbir > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; > Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > > > Regards. > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who > new him over the period of 14 years. > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society, > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site > //http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored > by Mahesh Bhatt. > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > > Most Humbly; > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > good post indeed. > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > through the > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he > stored > > > > to hit > > > > his neighbour " // > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give > reference > > > > to it? > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " kulbir " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall > Street's > > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael Douglas to > > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > > and > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on > the > > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single > > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of > > > > money; > > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils > > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and > second > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source to > > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in > nature. > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in > long > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only > a > > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , Anita R > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only > for > > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is > my > > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight > bcoz > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a > > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with > > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You > and > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Vidya " > > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want > to > > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks > stay > > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the > > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes > > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The > day > > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in > the > > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, > nobody > > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work > and > > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural > > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning > > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all > > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may > be. > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes > nearer > > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Vidya " > > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common > > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each > other. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- > Mothers, > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa > for > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband > Patiyo > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with > > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like > prayers, > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, > or > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It > may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It > is > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the > > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it. > > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of > > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Santosh ji,//Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?//yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!!Regards,gopi. , "Santhosh" <santhosh wrote:>> Dear Kulbirji,> > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how> was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must be> some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power> guarding us.> > > > Regards and Thanks> > > > Santhosh> > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of kulbir> Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM> > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji;> He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats sinners and> saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt;> ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an incense> stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held> out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle of> palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of> leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the stack.> The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and> began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down so> long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those> present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able to> describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling.> > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was> visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man:> > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like a> droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana,> completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and> pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him to> understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. Nagaraj> stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he> perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the> reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun)> like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never> stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any kind,> he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and> jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But> he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere.> This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man" (implying that> individuality is absent in him).'> > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote:> 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24> minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were evidently> eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next> fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this and> other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement> as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but if> anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good> example.> > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the> astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the> reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding U.> G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He> consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened> the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated> our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped> U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was> opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It said:> > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have> in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man.> Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not> pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams> (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the reading.> The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the> Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man,> whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he> always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the> state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase of> the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually...> For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, the> nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of the> reading, recorded the above account.> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your> > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to> one> > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward> > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > [ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir> > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am> i> > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy> right;> > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and> > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G.> > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute> freedom> > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s> > basic is also this.> > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB> > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no> > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain> as> > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi> > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the> > thinking process.> > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it> > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called> calamity,> > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab> > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7> > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis;> rahu> > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle> > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of> > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu> > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail.> > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of> > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of> > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it> > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in> > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at> > least study it if not attempting it.> > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be> > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic,> only> > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was> > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will> take> > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people.> > please help me.> > > > Regards> > Kulbir> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "kulbir"> <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt;> > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the future> of> > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the> > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your> > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of> > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that> > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies> of> > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb> > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a> > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > Regards.> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "kulbir"> <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever> > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally> interacted> > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who> > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society,> > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the> site> > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/>> com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book> authored> > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > Most Humbly;> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > > through the> > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he> > stored> > > > > to hit> > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs> personally> > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give> > reference> > > > > to it?> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not> in> > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall> > Street's> > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > >> > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael Douglas> to> > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > and> > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on> > the> > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > >> > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > >> > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to> depict> > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one> single> > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > >> > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms> of> > > > > money;> > > > > >> > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic> man> > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > >> > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is> a> > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > > >> > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > >> > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils> > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > >> > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the> > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that> > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and> > second> > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between> the> > > > > two.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source> to> > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to> the> > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in> > nature.> > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in> > long> > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is> only> > a> > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Anita R> > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only> > for> > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is> > my> > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight> > bcoz> > > > > they> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a> > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get> Love> > > > > from> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with> > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You> > and> > > > > want to> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vidya"> > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want> > to> > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for> > > > > petty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks> > stay> > > > > to her> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the> > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she> comes> > > > > after a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The> > day> > > > > passes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in> > the> > > > > evening> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to,> > nobody> > > > > to care> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work> > and> > > > > idle> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him ,> not> > > > > for any> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet> natural> > > > > odour> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next> morning> > > > > he again> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of> all> > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may> > be.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes> > nearer> > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Vidya"> > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of> > her> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common> > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each> > other.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It> helps> > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:-> > Mothers,> > > > > girls> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship> Lakshmi> > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa> > for> > > > > learning> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband> > Patiyo> > > > > ka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be> > > > > recited> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder,> or> > > > > just> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done> with> > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com]> > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is> Mercury> > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like> > prayers,> > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking,> > or> > > > > we> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It> > may> > > > > not be> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always> rewarded..It> > is> > > > > just> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing> it.> > > > > You can> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Gopiji // UG you are calling an athiest!!!// Am sorry, wasn’t he an atheist. That’s what I heard and I may be wrong. Correct me. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of gopalakrishna Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti Dear Santosh ji, //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?// yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!! Regards, gopi. , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote: > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must be > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power > guarding us. > > > > Regards and Thanks > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of kulbir > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji; > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; " " i know cancer treats sinners and > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer " " > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt; > " " Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an incense > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle of > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the stack. > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down so > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able to > describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling. > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man: > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like a > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana, > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him to > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. Nagaraj > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed. > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun) > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any kind, > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere. > This person should be addressed as " atma " and not as " man " (implying that > individuality is absent in him).' > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote: > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were evidently > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this and > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but if > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good > example. > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding U. > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It said: > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the reading. > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man, > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase of > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually... > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, the > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of the > reading, recorded the above account. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to > one > > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. > > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward > > to more posts from you to understand this person better. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji; > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am > i > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy > right; > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G. > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute > freedom > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s > > basic is also this. > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain > as > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the > > thinking process. > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called > calamity, > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; > rahu > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at > > least study it if not attempting it. > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, > only > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will > take > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. > > please help me. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " kulbir " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; > > Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the future > of > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies > of > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > > > > > Regards. > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " kulbir " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally > interacted > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who > > new him over the period of 14 years. > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society, > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the > site > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book > authored > > by Mahesh Bhatt. > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > > > Most Humbly; > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > good post indeed. > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > > through the > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he > > stored > > > > > to hit > > > > > his neighbour " // > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs > personally > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give > > reference > > > > > to it? > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " kulbir " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not > in > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall > > Street's > > > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael Douglas > to > > > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > > > and > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on > > the > > > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to > depict > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one > single > > > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms > of > > > > > money; > > > > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic > man > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is > a > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils > > > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and > > second > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between > the > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source > to > > > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to > the > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in > > nature. > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in > > long > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is > only > > a > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Anita R > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only > > for > > > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is > > my > > > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight > > bcoz > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a > > > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get > Love > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with > > > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You > > and > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Vidya " > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want > > to > > > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for > > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks > > stay > > > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the > > > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she > comes > > > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The > > day > > > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in > > the > > > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, > > nobody > > > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work > > and > > > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , > not > > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet > natural > > > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next > morning > > > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of > all > > > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may > > be. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes > > nearer > > > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Vidya " > > > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common > > > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each > > other. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It > helps > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- > > Mothers, > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship > Lakshmi > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa > > for > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband > > Patiyo > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be > > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, > or > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done > with > > > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is > Mercury > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like > > prayers, > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking, > > or > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It > > may > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always > rewarded..It > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the > > > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing > it. > > > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of > > > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,you are taking me back while i am in the midst of reading/studying a latest book by same Mahesh Bhat titled "TASTE OF LIFE" last days of U.G.Krishnamurty published by penguin.Love and regards,gopi. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Santhosh ji;> He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats sinners and saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt;> ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an incense stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle of palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the stack. The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down so long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able to describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling.> > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man:> > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like a droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana, completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him to understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. Nagaraj stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun) like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any kind, he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere. This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man" (implying that individuality is absent in him).'> > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote: 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were evidently eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this and other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but if anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good example.> > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding U. G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It said:> > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the reading. The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man, whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase of the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually... For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, the nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of the reading, recorded the above account.> > > , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your> > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to one> > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking forward> > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of kulbir> > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, am i> > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy right;> > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and> > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how U.G.> > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute freedom> > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know U.G.'s> > basic is also this.> > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB> > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no> > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain as> > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on Dimagi> > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the> > thinking process.> > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, it> > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called calamity,> > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab> > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7> > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; rahu> > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into cycle> > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out of> > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide rahu> > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail.> > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of> > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of> > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad instantaneously,it> > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in> > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to at> > least study it if not attempting it.> > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will be> > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, only> > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was> > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will take> > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people.> > please help me.> > > > Regards> > Kulbir> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt;> > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of> > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the> > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your> > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good of> > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that> > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real enemies of> > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a bomb> > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or a> > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > Regards.> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will ever> > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally interacted> > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone who> > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite society,> > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the site> > //http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book authored> > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > Most Humbly;> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > > through the> > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he> > stored> > > > > to hit> > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs personally> > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give> > reference> > > > > to it?> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology , "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; not in> > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall> > Street's> > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > >> > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael Douglas to> > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > and> > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas on> > the> > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > >> > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > >> > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to depict> > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one single> > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > >> > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms of> > > > > money;> > > > > >> > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was invented> > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man> > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > >> > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket is a> > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > > >> > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > >> > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and boils> > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > >> > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that the> > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way that> > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and> > second> > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between the> > > > > two.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source to> > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to the> > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in> > nature.> > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of SELF.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in> > long> > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology , "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only> > a> > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology , Anita R> > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care only> > for> > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG AS> > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that is> > my> > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight> > bcoz> > > > > they> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is a> > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get Love> > > > > from> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight with> > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for You> > and> > > > > want to> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vidya"> > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and want> > to> > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife for> > > > > petty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 weeks> > stay> > > > > to her> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses the> > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she comes> > > > > after a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. The> > day> > > > > passes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger in> > the> > > > > evening> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to,> > nobody> > > > > to care> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days work> > and> > > > > idle> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , not> > > > > for any> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet natural> > > > > odour> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next morning> > > > > he again> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of all> > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she may> > be.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes> > nearer> > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Vidya"> > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior of> > her> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers his> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The common> > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each> > other.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It helps> > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:-> > Mothers,> > > > > girls> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship Lakshmi> > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati Maa> > for> > > > > learning> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband> > Patiyo> > > > > ka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to be> > > > > recited> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a householder, or> > > > > just> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done with> > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Mercury> > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like> > prayers,> > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is lacking,> > or> > > > > we> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. It> > may> > > > > not be> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always rewarded..It> > is> > > > > just> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing it.> > > > > You can> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Santhosh ji; he was Enigma; Anyways, Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti was born 06:10 am of July 9, 1918, Masulipatam, Andhra Pradesh. UG often says, " I don't believe in astrology. But it will be useful as a good example to those who are knowledgeable in it, if they can examine how, from the beginning, my horoscope has been governed by the influence of the movements of the planets. " AND UG says, " Planets have no influence on my actions and there never will be any, " UG has always been adamant that life must be described in pure and simple physical and physiological terms so that it is de-psychologized and demystified. He underwent, in his own words, a `calamity': a series of bodily metamorphoses that catapulted him into the unique state of the `declutched' mind. THIS DE CLUTCHED MIND WAS WHAT HE WAS. you can study his horoscope, i am told birth time had been rectified up to 06:10:32 am. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " Santhosh " <santhosh wrote: > > Dear Gopiji > > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!// > > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be wrong. > Correct me. > > > > Regards > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of gopalakrishna > Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji, > //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?// > yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!! > Regards, > gopi. > , " Santhosh " <santhosh@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how > > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must > be > > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power > > guarding us. > > > > > > > > Regards and Thanks > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of kulbir > > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM > > > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji; > > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; " " i know cancer treats sinners > and > > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer " " > > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt; > > " " Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an > incense > > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held > > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle > of > > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of > > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the > stack. > > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and > > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down > so > > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those > > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able > to > > describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling. > > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was > > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man: > > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like > a > > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana, > > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and > > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him > to > > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr. > Nagaraj > > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he > > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the > > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed. > > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun) > > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never > > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any > kind, > > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and > > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But > > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere. > > This person should be addressed as " atma " and not as " man " (implying that > > individuality is absent in him).' > > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote: > > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 > > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were > evidently > > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next > > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this > and > > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement > > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but > if > > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good > > example. > > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the > > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the > > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding > U. > > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He > > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened > > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated > > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped > > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was > > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It > said: > > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have > > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. > > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not > > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams > > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the > reading. > > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the > > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man, > > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he > > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the > > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase > of > > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually... > > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question, > the > > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of > the > > reading, recorded the above account. > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your > > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to > > one > > > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking > forward > > > to more posts from you to understand this person better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology > > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji; > > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection, > am > > i > > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; > > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy > > right; > > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and > > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how > U.G. > > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute > > freedom > > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. > > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know > U.G.'s > > > basic is also this. > > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB > > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no > > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain > > as > > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on > Dimagi > > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the > > > thinking process. > > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY, > it > > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called > > calamity, > > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab > > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7 > > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis; > > rahu > > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into > cycle > > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out > of > > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide > rahu > > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail. > > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of > > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of > > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad > instantaneously,it > > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in > > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to > at > > > least study it if not attempting it. > > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will > be > > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic, > > only > > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. > > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was > > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will > > take > > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people. > > > please help me. > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " kulbir " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt; > > > Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to the > future > > of > > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the > > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your > > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good > of > > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that > > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real > enemies > > of > > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a > bomb > > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or > a > > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " kulbir " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will > ever > > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally > > interacted > > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone > who > > > new him over the period of 14 years. > > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite > society, > > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the > > site > > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> > > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall > > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book > > authored > > > by Mahesh Bhatt. > > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > > > > Most Humbly; > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > good post indeed. > > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was > invented > > > > > > through the > > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he > > > stored > > > > > > to hit > > > > > > his neighbour " // > > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs > > personally > > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give > > > reference > > > > > > to it? > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " kulbir " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is; > not > > in > > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall > > > Street's > > > > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led Michael > Douglas > > to > > > > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas > on > > > the > > > > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to > > depict > > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one > > single > > > > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms > > of > > > > > > money; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was > invented > > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic > > man > > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket > is > > a > > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the > > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his > > > > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and > boils > > > > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that > the > > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way > that > > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and > > > second > > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points. > > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between > > the > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self " > > > > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only a source > > to > > > > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG > AS > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to > > the > > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in > > > nature. > > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or > > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of > SELF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in > > > long > > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal > > > > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is > > only > > > a > > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Anita R > > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care > only > > > for > > > > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG > AS > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that > is > > > my > > > > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be > > > > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight > > > bcoz > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is > a > > > > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get > > Love > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight > with > > > > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for > You > > > and > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Vidya " > > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and > want > > > to > > > > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife > for > > > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2 > weeks > > > stay > > > > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses > the > > > > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she > > comes > > > > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready. > The > > > day > > > > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger > in > > > the > > > > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to, > > > nobody > > > > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days > work > > > and > > > > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him , > > not > > > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet > > natural > > > > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night > > > > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next > > morning > > > > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner. > > > > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of > > all > > > > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she > may > > > be. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes > > > nearer > > > > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Vidya " > > > > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior > of > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The > common > > > > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " with each > > > other. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It > > helps > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:- > > > Mothers, > > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship > > Lakshmi > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati > Maa > > > for > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband > > > Patiyo > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to > be > > > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual > > > > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a > householder, > > or > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done > > with > > > > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is > > Mercury > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like > > > prayers, > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete > > > > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is > lacking, > > > or > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results. > It > > > may > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always > > rewarded..It > > > is > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the > > > > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing > > it. > > > > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of > > > > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Santosh ji,yes that's what it is .I heard many like that and found out myself that he is neither athiest nor Godman.Love and regards,gopi. , "Santhosh" <santhosh wrote:>> Dear Gopiji> > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!//> > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be wrong.> Correct me.> > > > Regards> > > > Santhosh> > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of gopalakrishna> Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM> > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > Dear Santosh ji,> //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?//> yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!!> Regards,> gopi.> , "Santhosh" santhosh@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how> > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must> be> > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power> > guarding us.> > > > > > > > Regards and Thanks> > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of kulbir> > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM> > > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats sinners> and> > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt;> > ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an> incense> > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held> > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle> of> > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of> > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the> stack.> > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and> > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down> so> > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those> > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able> to> > describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling.> > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was> > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man:> > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like> a> > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana,> > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and> > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him> to> > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr.> Nagaraj> > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he> > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the> > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun)> > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never> > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any> kind,> > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and> > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But> > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere.> > This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man" (implying that> > individuality is absent in him).'> > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote:> > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24> > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were> evidently> > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next> > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this> and> > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement> > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but> if> > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good> > example.> > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the> > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the> > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding> U.> > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He> > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened> > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated> > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped> > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was> > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It> said:> > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have> > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man.> > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not> > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams> > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the> reading.> > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the> > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man,> > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he> > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the> > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase> of> > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually...> > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question,> the> > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of> the> > reading, recorded the above account.> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your> > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to> > one> > > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking> forward> > > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir> > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology > > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection,> am> > i> > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy> > right;> > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and> > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how> U.G.> > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute> > freedom> > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know> U.G.'s> > > basic is also this.> > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB> > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no> > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain> > as> > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on> Dimagi> > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the> > > thinking process.> > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY,> it> > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called> > calamity,> > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab> > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7> > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis;> > rahu> > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into> cycle> > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out> of> > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide> rahu> > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail.> > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of> > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of> > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad> instantaneously,it> > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in> > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to> at> > > least study it if not attempting it.> > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will> be> > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic,> > only> > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was> > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will> > take> > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people.> > > please help me.> > > > > > Regards> > > Kulbir> > > > > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt;> > > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the> future> > of> > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the> > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your> > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good> of> > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that> > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real> enemies> > of> > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a> bomb> > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or> a> > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will> ever> > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally> > interacted> > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone> who> > > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite> society,> > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the> > site> > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/>> > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book> > authored> > > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > > Most Humbly;> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was> invented> > > > > > through the> > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he> > > stored> > > > > > to hit> > > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs> > personally> > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give> > > reference> > > > > > to it?> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "kulbir"> > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is;> not> > in> > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall> > > Street's> > > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael> Douglas> > to> > > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas> on> > > the> > > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to> > depict> > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one> > single> > > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms> > of> > > > > > money;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was> invented> > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic> > man> > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket> is> > a> > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and> boils> > > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that> the> > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way> that> > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and> > > second> > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between> > the> > > > > > two.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source> > to> > > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG> AS> > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to> > the> > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in> > > nature.> > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of> SELF.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in> > > long> > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is> > only> > > a> > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Anita R> > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care> only> > > for> > > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG> AS> > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that> is> > > my> > > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight> > > bcoz> > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is> a> > > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get> > Love> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight> with> > > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for> You> > > and> > > > > > want to> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Vidya"> > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and> want> > > to> > > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife> for> > > > > > petty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2> weeks> > > stay> > > > > > to her> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses> the> > > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she> > comes> > > > > > after a> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready.> The> > > day> > > > > > passes> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger> in> > > the> > > > > > evening> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to,> > > nobody> > > > > > to care> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days> work> > > and> > > > > > idle> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him ,> > not> > > > > > for any> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet> > natural> > > > > > odour> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next> > morning> > > > > > he again> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of> > all> > > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she> may> > > be.> > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes> > > nearer> > > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Vidya"> > > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior> of> > > her> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers> his> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The> common> > > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each> > > other.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It> > helps> > > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:-> > > Mothers,> > > > > > girls> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship> > Lakshmi> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati> Maa> > > for> > > > > > learning> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband> > > Patiyo> > > > > > ka> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to> be> > > > > > recited> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a> householder,> > or> > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done> > with> > > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com]> > > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is> > Mercury> > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like> > > prayers,> > > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is> lacking,> > > or> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results.> It> > > may> > > > > > not be> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always> > rewarded..It> > > is> > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing> > it.> > > > > > You can> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,if at all anyone attempt to say anything there is no better word than this.He always used to say no body could put him in any frame and say i am this and i am that.Where did you coin the word?By the way he is instrumental in my pursuit of astrology....Love and regards,gopi. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Santhosh ji; > > he was Enigma; Anyways, Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti was born 06:10 am of July 9, 1918, Masulipatam, Andhra Pradesh.> > UG often says, "I don't believe in astrology. But it will be useful as a good example to those who are knowledgeable in it, if they can examine how, from the beginning, my horoscope has been governed by the influence of the movements of the planets." > AND> UG says, "Planets have no influence on my actions and there never will be any,"> > > UG has always been adamant that life must be described in pure and simple physical and physiological terms so that it is de-psychologized and demystified. He underwent, in his own words, a `calamity': a series of bodily metamorphoses that catapulted him into the unique state of the `declutched' mind. > > THIS DE CLUTCHED MIND WAS WHAT HE WAS.> > you can study his horoscope, i am told birth time had been rectified up to 06:10:32 am.> > Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> >> > Dear Gopiji> > > > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!//> > > > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be wrong.> > Correct me.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of gopalakrishna> > Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM> > > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji,> > //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?//> > yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!!> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "Santhosh" <santhosh@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If so, how> > > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely there must> > be> > > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super power> > > guarding us.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of kulbir> > > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM> > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats sinners> > and> > > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> > > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh Bhatt;> > > ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting an> > incense> > > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He then held> > > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the bundle> > of> > > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the stack of> > > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through the> > stack.> > > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the stack and> > > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, set down> > so> > > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all those> > > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones were able> > to> > > describe the man in question were, to say the least, mind-boggling.> > > > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. He was> > > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of this man:> > > > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally unattached like> > a> > > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic Ramayana,> > > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts and> > > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn enabled him> > to> > > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. Mr.> > Nagaraj> > > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., wondering if he> > > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly that the> > > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > > > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of the Sun)> > > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, he never> > > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of any> > kind,> > > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of hermits and> > > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading everywhere. But> > > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get somewhere.> > > This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man" (implying that> > > individuality is absent in him).'> > > > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they wrote:> > > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24> > > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were> > evidently> > > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for the next> > > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected this> > and> > > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive statement> > > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of astrology, but> > if> > > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide a good> > > example.> > > > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the predictions of the> > > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were present at the> > > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say regarding> > U.> > > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. He> > > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when he opened> > > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had anticipated> > > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' quipped> > > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a minute was> > > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this leaf. It> > said:> > > > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break we have> > > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man.> > > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You need not> > > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams> > > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the> > reading.> > > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by the> > > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... This man,> > > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing anything, he> > > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', i.e., the> > > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the phase> > of> > > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person spiritually...> > > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical question,> > the> > > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the time of> > the> > > reading, recorded the above account.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > > astrology , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire your> > > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast adherence to> > > one> > > > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am looking> > forward> > > > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir> > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > > astrology > > > > Lalkitab and U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the connection,> > am> > > i> > > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any copy> > > right;> > > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write and> > > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, how> > U.G.> > > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave absolute> > > freedom> > > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you know> > U.G.'s> > > > basic is also this.> > > > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is DUNIYAVI HISAB> > > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist needs no> > > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and controlling brain> > > as> > > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter on> > Dimagi> > > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the consciousness, the> > > > thinking process.> > > > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE CALAMITY,> > it> > > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so called> > > calamity,> > > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in lalkitab> > > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh yonis; 7> > > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh yonis;> > > rahu> > > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back into> > cycle> > > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one gets out> > of> > > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial intelligence)vide> > rahu> > > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full detail.> > > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced stage of> > > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms of> > > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad> > instantaneously,it> > > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack pot in> > > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i decided to> > at> > > > least study it if not attempting it.> > > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, i will> > be> > > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original authentic,> > > only> > > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i was> > > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. i will> > > take> > > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned people.> > > > please help me.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "kulbir"> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh Bhatt;> > > > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to the> > future> > > of> > > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the> > > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here your> > > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for the `good> > of> > > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side and that> > > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the real> > enemies> > > of> > > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up--with a> > bomb> > > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and sickle or> > a> > > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "kulbir"> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i will> > ever> > > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally> > > interacted> > > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with someone> > who> > > > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of elite> > society,> > > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded at the> > > site> > > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/>> > > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the book> > > authored> > > > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > > > Most Humbly;> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was> > invented> > > > > > > through the> > > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man that he> > > > stored> > > > > > > to hit> > > > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs> > > personally> > > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please give> > > > reference> > > > > > > to it?> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "kulbir"> > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come close is;> > not> > > in> > > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie Wall> > > > Street's> > > > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led Michael> > Douglas> > > to> > > > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal Douglas> > on> > > > the> > > > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral procession to> > > depict> > > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because of one> > > single> > > > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big in terms> > > of> > > > > > > money;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb was> > invented> > > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic> > > man> > > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his pocket> > is> > > a> > > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like U.S.A.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without dictating the> > > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life plus his> > > > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good and> > boils> > > > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab that> > the> > > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such a way> > that> > > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka daiyra and> > > > second> > > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus points.> > > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance between> > > the> > > > > > > two.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so Self"> > > > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only a source> > > to> > > > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG> > AS> > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY teaches to> > > the> > > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are Rajasic in> > > > nature.> > > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level respectively or> > > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true happiness of> > SELF.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological content in> > > > long> > > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for personal> > > > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is> > > only> > > > a> > > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Anita R> > > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They care> > only> > > > for> > > > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them selves and> > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY AS LONG> > AS> > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? Atleast that> > is> > > > my> > > > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury to be> > > > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. Nobody fight> > > > bcoz> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care till he is> > a> > > > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he will get> > > Love> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise fight> > with> > > > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I care for> > You> > > > and> > > > > > > want to> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the Group).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Vidya"> > > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they care and> > want> > > > to> > > > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his wife> > for> > > > > > > petty> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left for 2> > weeks> > > > stay> > > > > > > to her> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he misses> > the> > > > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence when she> > > comes> > > > > > > after a> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get ready.> > The> > > > day> > > > > > > passes> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows stronger> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > evening> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to talk to,> > > > nobody> > > > > > > to care> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his days> > work> > > > and> > > > > > > idle> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her besides him ,> > > not> > > > > > > for any> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her sweet> > > natural> > > > > > > odour> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up at night> > > > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The next> > > morning> > > > > > > he again> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening dinner.> > > > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take place of> > > all> > > > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or tough she> > may> > > > be.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one comes> > > > nearer> > > > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Vidya"> > > > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty behavior> > of> > > > her> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and remembers> > his> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his wife...The> > common> > > > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship" with each> > > > other.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own way.. It> > > helps> > > > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some examples:-> > > > Mothers,> > > > > > > girls> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men worship> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship Saraswati> > Maa> > > > for> > > > > > > learning> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good husband> > > > Patiyo> > > > > > > ka> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, mantras to> > be> > > > > > > recited> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, ritual> > > > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a> > householder,> > > or> > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it is done> > > with> > > > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com]> > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is> > > Mercury> > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies like> > > > prayers,> > > > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with complete> > > > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity is> > lacking,> > > > or> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some results.> > It> > > > may> > > > > > > not be> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always> > > rewarded..It> > > > is> > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't know the> > > > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness by doing> > > it.> > > > > > > You can> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ place of> > > > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Respected Gopal Krishan ji; Then you will be very first person who would know what influence the moon cycles had on him; Incidentally he was instrumental in showing me the greatness of lalkitab; I have been following him for a long time; he was a spiritual of class 1; he was a spiritual terrorist; he was THE RAGING SAGE; Enigma is what occurred to me when i read him thoroughly. you are right he can never never be put in a frame. frame represents budh/mercury; he went out of these realms when he declutched himself. The calamity which occurred in 49 year is no insignificant event. Regards. kulbir. , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > if at all anyone attempt to say anything there is no better word than > this.He always used to say no body could put him in any frame and say i > am this and i am that.Where did you coin the word?By the way he is > instrumental in my pursuit of astrology.... > Love and regards, > gopi. > , " kulbir " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Dear Santhosh ji; > > > > he was Enigma; Anyways, Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti was born > 06:10 am of July 9, 1918, Masulipatam, Andhra Pradesh. > > > > UG often says, " I don't believe in astrology. But it will be useful > as a good example to those who are knowledgeable in it, if they can > examine how, from the beginning, my horoscope has been governed by the > influence of the movements of the planets. " > > AND > > UG says, " Planets have no influence on my actions and there never will > be any, " > > > > > > UG has always been adamant that life must be described in pure and > simple physical and physiological terms so that it is de-psychologized > and demystified. He underwent, in his own words, a `calamity': a series > of bodily metamorphoses that catapulted him into the unique state of the > `declutched' mind. > > > > THIS DE CLUTCHED MIND WAS WHAT HE WAS. > > > > you can study his horoscope, i am told birth time had been rectified > up to 06:10:32 am. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > , " Santhosh " santhosh@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopiji > > > > > > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!// > > > > > > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be > wrong. > > > Correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > gopalakrishna > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and > U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji, > > > //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?// > > > yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!! > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " Santhosh " > <santhosh@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If > so, how > > > > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely > there must > > > be > > > > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super > power > > > > guarding us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > kulbir > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and > U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santhosh ji; > > > > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; " " i know cancer treats > sinners > > > and > > > > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer " " > > > > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh > Bhatt; > > > > " " Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting > an > > > incense > > > > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He > then held > > > > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the > bundle > > > of > > > > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the > stack of > > > > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through > the > > > stack. > > > > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the > stack and > > > > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings, > set down > > > so > > > > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all > those > > > > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones > were able > > > to > > > > describe the man in question were, to say the least, > mind-boggling. > > > > > > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever. > He was > > > > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of > this man: > > > > > > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally > unattached like > > > a > > > > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic > Ramayana, > > > > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts > and > > > > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn > enabled him > > > to > > > > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced. > Mr. > > > Nagaraj > > > > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G., > wondering if he > > > > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly > that the > > > > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed. > > > > > > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of > the Sun) > > > > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place, > he never > > > > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of > any > > > kind, > > > > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of > hermits and > > > > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading > everywhere. But > > > > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get > somewhere. > > > > This person should be addressed as " atma " and not as " man " > (implying that > > > > individuality is absent in him).' > > > > > > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they > wrote: > > > > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24 > > > > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were > > > evidently > > > > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for > the next > > > > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected > this > > > and > > > > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive > statement > > > > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of > astrology, but > > > if > > > > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide > a good > > > > example. > > > > > > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the > predictions of the > > > > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were > present at the > > > > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say > regarding > > > U. > > > > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading. > He > > > > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when > he opened > > > > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had > anticipated > > > > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,' > quipped > > > > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a > minute was > > > > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this > leaf. It > > > said: > > > > > > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break > we have > > > > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man. > > > > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You > need not > > > > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams > > > > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the > > > reading. > > > > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by > the > > > > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him... > This man, > > > > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing > anything, he > > > > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union', > i.e., the > > > > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the > phase > > > of > > > > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person > spiritually... > > > > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical > question, > > > the > > > > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the > time of > > > the > > > > reading, recorded the above account. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > > astrology , " Santhosh " santhosh@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire > your > > > > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast > adherence to > > > > one > > > > > system which alone will bring out excellent results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am > looking > > > forward > > > > > to more posts from you to understand this person better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir > > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > > astrology > > > > > Lalkitab and > U.G.Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji; > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the > connection, > > > am > > > > i > > > > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process; > > > > > > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any > copy > > > > right; > > > > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write > and > > > > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing, > how > > > U.G. > > > > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave > absolute > > > > freedom > > > > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words. > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you > know > > > U.G.'s > > > > > basic is also this. > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is > DUNIYAVI HISAB > > > > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist > needs no > > > > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and > controlling brain > > > > as > > > > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter > on > > > Dimagi > > > > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the > consciousness, the > > > > > thinking process. > > > > > > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE > CALAMITY, > > > it > > > > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so > called > > > > calamity, > > > > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in > lalkitab > > > > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh > yonis; 7 > > > > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh > yonis; > > > > rahu > > > > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back > into > > > cycle > > > > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one > gets out > > > of > > > > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial > intelligence)vide > > > rahu > > > > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full > detail. > > > > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced > stage of > > > > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms > of > > > > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad > > > instantaneously,it > > > > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack > pot in > > > > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i > decided to > > > at > > > > > least study it if not attempting it. > > > > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir, > i will > > > be > > > > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original > authentic, > > > > only > > > > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone. > > > > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i > was > > > > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process. > i will > > > > take > > > > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned > people. > > > > > please help me. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > " kulbir " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji; > > > > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh > Bhatt; > > > > > Chapter1. The Encounter " " Your minds pose as much a threat to > the > > > future > > > > of > > > > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin > in the > > > > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. > Here your > > > > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for > the `good > > > of > > > > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side > and that > > > > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the > real > > > enemies > > > > of > > > > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself > up--with a > > > bomb > > > > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and > sickle or > > > a > > > > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. " '. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > " kulbir " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i > will > > > ever > > > > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally > > > > interacted > > > > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with > someone > > > who > > > > > new him over the period of 14 years. > > > > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of > elite > > > society, > > > > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded > at the > > > > site > > > > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/> > > > > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall > > > > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the > book > > > > authored > > > > > by Mahesh Bhatt. > > > > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect; > > > > > > > Most Humbly; > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > good post indeed. > > > > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb > was > > > invented > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man > that he > > > > > stored > > > > > > > > to hit > > > > > > > > his neighbour " // > > > > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs > > > > personally > > > > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please > give > > > > > reference > > > > > > > > to it? > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > " kulbir " > > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come > close is; > > > not > > > > in > > > > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie > Wall > > > > > Street's > > > > > > > > two scenes/portions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the famous " " " Greed is Good " " " speech that led > Michael > > > Douglas > > > > to > > > > > > > > the best actor Academy Award; > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal > Douglas > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > subject: How much is enough? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral > procession to > > > > depict > > > > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because > of one > > > > single > > > > > > > > reason . He was Alexander. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big > in terms > > > > of > > > > > > > > money; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb > was > > > invented > > > > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre > historic > > > > man > > > > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his > pocket > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like > U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without > dictating the > > > > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life > plus his > > > > > > > > contribution to society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good > and > > > boils > > > > > > > > down to how much is enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab > that > > > the > > > > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such > a way > > > that > > > > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka > daiyra and > > > > > second > > > > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus > points. > > > > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance > between > > > > the > > > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so > Self " > > > > > > > > > > comes before " the somebody " , and the somebody is only > a source > > > > to > > > > > > > > provide happiness to own body.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves > and > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY > AS LONG > > > AS > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY > teaches to > > > > the > > > > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are > Rajasic in > > > > > nature. > > > > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level > respectively or > > > > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true > happiness of > > > SELF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological > content in > > > > > long > > > > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for > personal > > > > > > > > gains, so Self " comes before " the somebody " , and the > somebody is > > > > only > > > > > a > > > > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > Anita R > > > > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They > care > > > only > > > > > for > > > > > > > > somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them > selves and > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY > AS LONG > > > AS > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed? > Atleast that > > > is > > > > > my > > > > > > > > personal experience in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury > to be > > > > > > > > considered as Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters. > Nobody fight > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care > till he is > > > a > > > > > > > > somebody, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he > will get > > > > Love > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise > fight > > > with > > > > > > > > You. And in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I > care for > > > You > > > > > and > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the > Group). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > " Vidya " > > > > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they > care and > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > > stay in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his > wife > > > for > > > > > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left > for 2 > > > weeks > > > > > stay > > > > > > > > to her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he > misses > > > the > > > > > > > > morning tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence > when she > > > > comes > > > > > > > > after a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get > ready. > > > The > > > > > day > > > > > > > > passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows > stronger > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > evening > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to > talk to, > > > > > nobody > > > > > > > > to care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his > days > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > > > idle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her > besides him , > > > > not > > > > > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her > sweet > > > > natural > > > > > > > > odour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up > at night > > > > > > > > whenever he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The > next > > > > morning > > > > > > > > he again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening > dinner. > > > > > > > > Mother cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take > place of > > > > all > > > > > > > > ladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or > tough she > > > may > > > > > be. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one > comes > > > > > nearer > > > > > > > > to Him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Vidya " > > > > > > > > vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty > behavior > > > of > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and > remembers > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his > wife...The > > > common > > > > > > > > theme here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship " > with each > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own > way.. It > > > > helps > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some > examples:- > > > > > Mothers, > > > > > > > > girls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men > worship > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship > Saraswati > > > Maa > > > > > for > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good > husband > > > > > Patiyo > > > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited, > mantras to > > > be > > > > > > > > recited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras, > ritual > > > > > > > > worship, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a > > > householder, > > > > or > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Santhosh " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it > is done > > > > with > > > > > > > > utmost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > Is > > > > Mercury > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies > like > > > > > prayers, > > > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with > complete > > > > > > > > sincerity..Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity > is > > > lacking, > > > > > or > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some > results. > > > It > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always > > > > rewarded..It > > > > > is > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't > know the > > > > > > > > meaning behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness > by doing > > > > it. > > > > > > > > You can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/ > place of > > > > > > > > worship so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. So no > human > > > effort > > > > is > > > > > > > > ever gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: > > > 270.14.98/2551 > > > > - > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/09/09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 01:24:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,//Then you will be very first person who would know what influence the moon cycles had on him;//you seem to understand him to some extent by this since he used to talk about moon cycles and their efect ON HIS BODY.He used to show proof of that on his body as well.He knows IT.Thats it.// Enigma is what occurred to me when i read him thoroughly. //yes. looks like you GOT IT(as he used to say).// The calamity which occurred in 49 year is no insignificant event.//Who said it is insignificant except HIM?Love and regards,gopi. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > Then you will be very first person who would know what influence the moon cycles had on him;> Incidentally he was instrumental in showing me the greatness of lalkitab;> I have been following him for a long time; > he was a spiritual of class 1; he was a spiritual terrorist; he was THE RAGING SAGE; Enig>ma is what occurred to me when i read him thoroughly. you are right he can never never be put in a frame.> frame represents budh/mercury; he went out of these realms when he declutched himself. The calamity which occurred in 49 year is no insignificant event.> Regards.> kulbir.> > > > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> > if at all anyone attempt to say anything there is no better word than> > this.He always used to say no body could put him in any frame and say i> > am this and i am that.Where did you coin the word?By the way he is> > instrumental in my pursuit of astrology....> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > >> > > he was Enigma; Anyways, Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti was born> > 06:10 am of July 9, 1918, Masulipatam, Andhra Pradesh.> > >> > > UG often says, "I don't believe in astrology. But it will be useful> > as a good example to those who are knowledgeable in it, if they can> > examine how, from the beginning, my horoscope has been governed by the> > influence of the movements of the planets."> > > AND> > > UG says, "Planets have no influence on my actions and there never will> > be any,"> > >> > >> > > UG has always been adamant that life must be described in pure and> > simple physical and physiological terms so that it is de-psychologized> > and demystified. He underwent, in his own words, a `calamity': a series> > of bodily metamorphoses that catapulted him into the unique state of the> > `declutched' mind.> > >> > > THIS DE CLUTCHED MIND WAS WHAT HE WAS.> > >> > > you can study his horoscope, i am told birth time had been rectified> > up to 06:10:32 am.> > >> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Santhosh" santhosh@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopiji> > > >> > > > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!//> > > >> > > > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be> > wrong.> > > > Correct me.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Santhosh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > gopalakrishna> > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Santosh ji,> > > > //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?//> > > > yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!!> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Santhosh"> > <santhosh@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If> > so, how> > > > > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely> > there must> > > > be> > > > > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super> > power> > > > > guarding us.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards and Thanks> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > kulbir> > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > > > > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats> > sinners> > > > and> > > > > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> > > > > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh> > Bhatt;> > > > > ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting> > an> > > > incense> > > > > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He> > then held> > > > > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the> > bundle> > > > of> > > > > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the> > stack of> > > > > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through> > the> > > > stack.> > > > > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the> > stack and> > > > > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings,> > set down> > > > so> > > > > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all> > those> > > > > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones> > were able> > > > to> > > > > describe the man in question were, to say the least,> > mind-boggling.> > > > >> > > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever.> > He was> > > > > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of> > this man:> > > > >> > > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally> > unattached like> > > > a> > > > > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic> > Ramayana,> > > > > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts> > and> > > > > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn> > enabled him> > > > to> > > > > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced.> > Mr.> > > > Nagaraj> > > > > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G.,> > wondering if he> > > > > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly> > that the> > > > > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > > > >> > > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of> > the Sun)> > > > > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place,> > he never> > > > > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of> > any> > > > kind,> > > > > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of> > hermits and> > > > > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading> > everywhere. But> > > > > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get> > somewhere.> > > > > This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man"> > (implying that> > > > > individuality is absent in him).'> > > > >> > > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they> > wrote:> > > > > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24> > > > > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were> > > > evidently> > > > > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for> > the next> > > > > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected> > this> > > > and> > > > > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive> > statement> > > > > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of> > astrology, but> > > > if> > > > > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide> > a good> > > > > example.> > > > >> > > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the> > predictions of the> > > > > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were> > present at the> > > > > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say> > regarding> > > > U.> > > > > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading.> > He> > > > > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when> > he opened> > > > > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had> > anticipated> > > > > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,'> > quipped> > > > > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a> > minute was> > > > > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this> > leaf. It> > > > said:> > > > >> > > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break> > we have> > > > > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man.> > > > > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You> > need not> > > > > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams> > > > > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the> > > > reading.> > > > > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by> > the> > > > > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him...> > This man,> > > > > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing> > anything, he> > > > > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union',> > i.e., the> > > > > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the> > phase> > > > of> > > > > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person> > spiritually...> > > > > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical> > question,> > > > the> > > > > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the> > time of> > > > the> > > > > reading, recorded the above account.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > > astrology , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire> > your> > > > > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast> > adherence to> > > > > one> > > > > > system which alone will bring out excellent results.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am> > looking> > > > forward> > > > > > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology > > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir> > > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > > astrology > > > > > > Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the> > connection,> > > > am> > > > > i> > > > > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > > >> > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any> > copy> > > > > right;> > > > > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write> > and> > > > > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing,> > how> > > > U.G.> > > > > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave> > absolute> > > > > freedom> > > > > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you> > know> > > > U.G.'s> > > > > > basic is also this.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is> > DUNIYAVI HISAB> > > > > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist> > needs no> > > > > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and> > controlling brain> > > > > as> > > > > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter> > on> > > > Dimagi> > > > > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the> > consciousness, the> > > > > > thinking process.> > > > > >> > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE> > CALAMITY,> > > > it> > > > > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so> > called> > > > > calamity,> > > > > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in> > lalkitab> > > > > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh> > yonis; 7> > > > > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh> > yonis;> > > > > rahu> > > > > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back> > into> > > > cycle> > > > > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one> > gets out> > > > of> > > > > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial> > intelligence)vide> > > > rahu> > > > > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full> > detail.> > > > > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced> > stage of> > > > > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms> > of> > > > > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad> > > > instantaneously,it> > > > > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack> > pot in> > > > > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i> > decided to> > > > at> > > > > > least study it if not attempting it.> > > > > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir,> > i will> > > > be> > > > > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original> > authentic,> > > > > only> > > > > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > > > > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i> > was> > > > > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process.> > i will> > > > > take> > > > > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned> > people.> > > > > > please help me.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > > > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh> > Bhatt;> > > > > > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to> > the> > > > future> > > > > of> > > > > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin> > in the> > > > > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor.> > Here your> > > > > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for> > the `good> > > > of> > > > > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side> > and that> > > > > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the> > real> > > > enemies> > > > > of> > > > > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself> > up--with a> > > > bomb> > > > > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and> > sickle or> > > > a> > > > > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i> > will> > > > ever> > > > > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally> > > > > interacted> > > > > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with> > someone> > > > who> > > > > > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of> > elite> > > > society,> > > > > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded> > at the> > > > > site> > > > > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/>> > > > > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > > > > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the> > book> > > > > authored> > > > > > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > > > > > Most Humbly;> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > > "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb> > was> > > > invented> > > > > > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man> > that he> > > > > > stored> > > > > > > > > to hit> > > > > > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs> > > > > personally> > > > > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please> > give> > > > > > reference> > > > > > > > > to it?> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come> > close is;> > > > not> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie> > Wall> > > > > > Street's> > > > > > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led> > Michael> > > > Douglas> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal> > Douglas> > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral> > procession to> > > > > depict> > > > > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because> > of one> > > > > single> > > > > > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big> > in terms> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > money;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb> > was> > > > invented> > > > > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre> > historic> > > > > man> > > > > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his> > pocket> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like> > U.S.A.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without> > dictating the> > > > > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life> > plus his> > > > > > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good> > and> > > > boils> > > > > > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab> > that> > > > the> > > > > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such> > a way> > > > that> > > > > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka> > daiyra and> > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus> > points.> > > > > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance> > between> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > two.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > > "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so> > Self"> > > > > > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only> > a source> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves> > and> > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY> > AS LONG> > > > AS> > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY> > teaches to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are> > Rajasic in> > > > > > nature.> > > > > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level> > respectively or> > > > > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true> > happiness of> > > > SELF.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological> > content in> > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for> > personal> > > > > > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the> > somebody is> > > > > only> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > Anita R> > > > > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They> > care> > > > only> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them> > selves and> > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY> > AS LONG> > > > AS> > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed?> > Atleast that> > > > is> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury> > to be> > > > > > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters.> > Nobody fight> > > > > > bcoz> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care> > till he is> > > > a> > > > > > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he> > will get> > > > > Love> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise> > fight> > > > with> > > > > > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I> > care for> > > > You> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > want to> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the> > Group).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > "Vidya"> > > > > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they> > care and> > > > want> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his> > wife> > > > for> > > > > > > > > petty> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left> > for 2> > > > weeks> > > > > > stay> > > > > > > > > to her> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he> > misses> > > > the> > > > > > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence> > when she> > > > > comes> > > > > > > > > after a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get> > ready.> > > > The> > > > > > day> > > > > > > > > passes> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows> > stronger> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > evening> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to> > talk to,> > > > > > nobody> > > > > > > > > to care> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his> > days> > > > work> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > idle> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her> > besides him ,> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > for any> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her> > sweet> > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > odour> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up> > at night> > > > > > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The> > next> > > > > morning> > > > > > > > > he again> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening> > dinner.> > > > > > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take> > place of> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or> > tough she> > > > may> > > > > > be.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one> > comes> > > > > > nearer> > > > > > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Vidya"> > > > > > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty> > behavior> > > > of> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and> > remembers> > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his> > wife...The> > > > common> > > > > > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship"> > with each> > > > > > other.> > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own> > way.. It> > > > > helps> > > > > > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some> > examples:-> > > > > > Mothers,> > > > > > > > > girls> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men> > worship> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship> > Saraswati> > > > Maa> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > learning> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good> > husband> > > > > > Patiyo> > > > > > > > > ka> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited,> > mantras to> > > > be> > > > > > > > > recited> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras,> > ritual> > > > > > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a> > > > householder,> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it> > is done> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com]> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > Is> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies> > like> > > > > > prayers,> > > > > > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with> > complete> > > > > > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity> > is> > > > lacking,> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some> > results.> > > > It> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > not be> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always> > > > > rewarded..It> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't> > know the> > > > > > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness> > by doing> > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > You can> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/> > place of> > > > > > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,//Incidentally he was instrumental in showing me the greatness of lalkitab;//o.k i dont know how ?but he physically encouraged me topursue astrology and also instructed one mr chandrasekhar to hand over his own chart to me at once since he does not believe "LATER".Love and regards,gopi. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > Then you will be very first person who would know what influence the moon cycles had on him;> Incidentally he was instrumental in showing me the greatness of lalkitab;> I have been following him for a long time; > he was a spiritual of class 1; he was a spiritual terrorist; he was THE RAGING SAGE;> Enigma is what occurred to me when i read him thoroughly. you are right he can never never be put in a frame.> frame represents budh/mercury; he went out of these realms when he declutched himself. The calamity which occurred in 49 year is no insignificant event.> Regards.> kulbir.> > > > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> > if at all anyone attempt to say anything there is no better word than> > this.He always used to say no body could put him in any frame and say i> > am this and i am that.Where did you coin the word?By the way he is> > instrumental in my pursuit of astrology....> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > >> > > he was Enigma; Anyways, Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti was born> > 06:10 am of July 9, 1918, Masulipatam, Andhra Pradesh.> > >> > > UG often says, "I don't believe in astrology. But it will be useful> > as a good example to those who are knowledgeable in it, if they can> > examine how, from the beginning, my horoscope has been governed by the> > influence of the movements of the planets."> > > AND> > > UG says, "Planets have no influence on my actions and there never will> > be any,"> > >> > >> > > UG has always been adamant that life must be described in pure and> > simple physical and physiological terms so that it is de-psychologized> > and demystified. He underwent, in his own words, a `calamity': a series> > of bodily metamorphoses that catapulted him into the unique state of the> > `declutched' mind.> > >> > > THIS DE CLUTCHED MIND WAS WHAT HE WAS.> > >> > > you can study his horoscope, i am told birth time had been rectified> > up to 06:10:32 am.> > >> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Santhosh" santhosh@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopiji> > > >> > > > // UG you are calling an athiest!!!//> > > >> > > > Am sorry, wasn't he an atheist. That's what I heard and I may be> > wrong.> > > > Correct me.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Santhosh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > gopalakrishna> > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Santosh ji,> > > > //Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about?//> > > > yes,he is the ONE AND ONLY U.G you are calling an athiest!!!> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Santhosh"> > <santhosh@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Is it the same atheist Krishnamurthy whom we are talking about? If> > so, how> > > > > was the effect on this person after this nadi reading. Surely> > there must> > > > be> > > > > some change in him about the mysteries of life and about the super> > power> > > > > guarding us.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards and Thanks> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Santhosh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > kulbir> > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:25 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Santhosh ji;> > > > > He visited Raman Maharishi; the reason; "" i know cancer treats> > sinners> > > > and> > > > > saints similarly, i want to know how saints treat cancer""> > > > > Please read what naadi astrology had for him; same book by Mahesh> > Bhatt;> > > > > ""Mr. Nagaraj, the nadi reader, began the proceedings by lighting> > an> > > > incense> > > > > stick and passing it around the books with great veneration. He> > then held> > > > > out one end of a string, the other end of which is attached to the> > bundle> > > > of> > > > > palm leaves, and offered it to U.G. He asked U.G. to part the> > stack of> > > > > leaves at random with his end of the string by passing it through> > the> > > > stack.> > > > > The astrologer opened that leaf where U.G.'s string divided the> > stack and> > > > > began reading what was written on it. These ancient scribblings,> > set down> > > > so> > > > > long ago by some unknown astrologers and mystics, astounded all> > those> > > > > present. The accuracy and insight with which those ancient ones> > were able> > > > to> > > > > describe the man in question were, to say the least,> > mind-boggling.> > > > >> > > > > The nadi astrologer himself had no knowledge of U.G. whatsoever.> > He was> > > > > visibly perplexed when the nadi started singing the praises of> > this man:> > > > >> > > > > What is there to say about this recluse who lives totally> > unattached like> > > > a> > > > > droplet on a lotus leaf? This man lives like Bharata in the epic> > Ramayana,> > > > > completely disinterested in the midst of all the royal comforts> > and> > > > > pleasures. The combination of the planets Mercury and Saturn> > enabled him> > > > to> > > > > understand the essence of life. He is well-read and experienced.> > Mr.> > > > Nagaraj> > > > > stopped reading for a moment, looking doubtfully at U.G.,> > wondering if he> > > > > perhaps hadn't turned the wrong leaf. U.G. reassured him quickly> > that the> > > > > reading was indeed accurate. So, the nadi reading resumed.> > > > >> > > > > 'This man will rise to prominence in his ravidasa (the phase of> > the Sun)> > > > > like the rising Sun. Having been displaced from his native place,> > he never> > > > > stays in any one place long. He does not go through initiation of> > any> > > > kind,> > > > > he is born with it. His teaching is not like the teachings of> > hermits and> > > > > jungle-dwellers. The light of his teaching keeps spreading> > everywhere. But> > > > > he thoroughly disappoints those who come to him hoping to get> > somewhere.> > > > > This person should be addressed as "atma" and not as "man"> > (implying that> > > > > individuality is absent in him).'> > > > >> > > > > Then, as if the ancient mystics needed a break at this point, they> > wrote:> > > > > 'We shall continue with the reading after a break of a ghatika (24> > > > > minutes).' Mr. Nagaraj closed the book. He and his colleagues were> > > > evidently> > > > > eager to know more about U.G. U.G. obliged them by explaining for> > the next> > > > > fifteen or twenty minutes how events in his life clearly reflected> > this> > > > and> > > > > other astrological readings. He said, I cannot make a definitive> > statement> > > > > as to whether there is anything to the predictive part of> > astrology, but> > > > if> > > > > anyone wants to do an intensive case study, my chart would provide> > a good> > > > > example.> > > > >> > > > > The events that I have mentioned paralleled exactly the> > predictions of the> > > > > astrologers. Take it or leave it. Meanwhile, those who were> > present at the> > > > > reading were all anxious to know what else the nadi had to say> > regarding> > > > U.> > > > > G. We implored the reader, Mr. Nagaraj to go on with the reading.> > He> > > > > consented. But, to the utter amazement of everyone present, when> > he opened> > > > > the book a blank leaf greeted him, as if the ancient seers had> > anticipated> > > > > our undue haste! 'The blank leaf means that my future is blank,'> > quipped> > > > > U.G., chuckling. Then the book was closed and after a half a> > minute was> > > > > opened once again with the string. Writing did appear on this> > leaf. It> > > > said:> > > > >> > > > > You still have a minute and a half to complete the 24 minute break> > we have> > > > > in the previous reading. This reading is of no use to such a man.> > > > > Nevertheless, we shall continue just for the fun of doing it. You> > need not> > > > > pay respects to us but would do better to offer your namaskarams> > > > > (salutations) to the one sitting opposite you and proceed with the> > > > reading.> > > > > The nadi went on: For eleven years from now, he will be haunted by> > the> > > > > Spirit of Good Luck wherever he goes. It will not leave him...> > This man,> > > > > whether he is eating, drinking, walking, sleeping, or doing> > anything, he> > > > > always remains in sahaja samadhi (the 'Natural State of Union',> > i.e., the> > > > > state of liberation)... During the final phase of chandradasa (the> > phase> > > > of> > > > > the moon) his very look would suffice to initiate a person> > spiritually...> > > > > For such a man what use is this reading? With that rhetorical> > question,> > > > the> > > > > nadi ended its reading. K. Chandrasekhar, who was present at the> > time of> > > > the> > > > > reading, recorded the above account.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > > astrology , "Santhosh" santhosh@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Interesting co-relation between LK and UG? I must really admire> > your> > > > > > thoroughness on the subject of LK. I also admire steadfast> > adherence to> > > > > one> > > > > > system which alone will bring out excellent results.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Spiritual terrorist eh!! Interesting description.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not much about UG except that he was an atheist. I am> > looking> > > > forward> > > > > > to more posts from you to understand this person better.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology > > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of kulbir> > > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 10:28 AM> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > > astrology > > > > > > Lalkitab and> > U.G.Krishnamurti> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishan ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab and U.G. i call him YOU JI only? what could be the> > connection,> > > > am> > > > > i> > > > > > crazy; Sir you have ignited a process;> > > > > >> > > > > > firstly Lalkitab's author Pt. Rup Lal Joshi ji did not claim any> > copy> > > > > right;> > > > > > even his family didn't. All have the equal right to copy, write> > and> > > > > > interpret as they deem fit; needless to say you must be knowing,> > how> > > > U.G.> > > > > > was against copyright; he also declined copyright and gave> > absolute> > > > > freedom> > > > > > to everyone to do whatever they like with his words.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab revolves around the basic idea " MIND IS A MYTH " you> > know> > > > U.G.'s> > > > > > basic is also this.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalkitab i wouldn't say is anti god but the first line is> > DUNIYAVI HISAB> > > > > > KITAB HAI KOI DAWA E KHUDAI NAHIN. U.G. the spiritual terrorist> > needs no> > > > > > introduction to this. U.G. compared the human body and> > controlling brain> > > > > as> > > > > > a very highly programmed computer. Lalkitab has a whole chapter> > on> > > > Dimagi> > > > > > Khanne, 42 Brain Divisions; how planets effect the> > consciousness, the> > > > > > thinking process.> > > > > >> > > > > > The BIGGEST connection is what he termed and described as THE> > CALAMITY,> > > > it> > > > > > is a very sensitive topic and needs a detailed post. the so> > called> > > > > calamity,> > > > > > awakening, kundalini, superconciousnes stage is explained in> > lalkitab> > > > > > itself. to give a brief hint. lalkitab says there are 84 lakh> > yonis; 7> > > > > > planets excluding Rahu and ketu and 12 houses represent 84 lakh> > yonis;> > > > > rahu> > > > > > and ketu are record keepers of our misgivings and bring us back> > into> > > > cycle> > > > > > or rather circle of rebirths, represented by mercury; once one> > gets out> > > > of> > > > > > the circle of budh by eliminating budh (artificial> > intelligence)vide> > > > rahu> > > > > > ketu; you attain moksha. The Calamity describes it in full> > detail.> > > > > > incidentally i called upon my friend who is at a very advanced> > stage of> > > > > > meditation techniques and tried to explain the calamity in terms> > of> > > > > > lalkitab. he simply told me to shut up or i will go mad> > > > instantaneously,it> > > > > > is very dangerous to talk and describe it; i am called a crack> > pot in> > > > > > lalkitab circles and within my friends and family also, so i> > decided to> > > > at> > > > > > least study it if not attempting it.> > > > > > i am going to write full length articles on these and here Sir,> > i will> > > > be> > > > > > needing your guidance. i promise it will be totally original> > authentic,> > > > > only> > > > > > my ideas not an iota to be borrowed from anyone.> > > > > > i assure the moderators also here, there is no hidden agenda; i> > was> > > > > > desperate to attempt something new; Gopi ji ignited the process.> > i will> > > > > take> > > > > > exceptional care no one is offended. you all are really learned> > people.> > > > > > please help me.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna ji;> > > > > > > The exact context is // U.G.Krishnamurti: A Life; by Mahesh> > Bhatt;> > > > > > Chapter1. The Encounter "" Your minds pose as much a threat to> > the> > > > future> > > > > of> > > > > > mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin> > in the> > > > > > jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor.> > Here your> > > > > > civilized man is doing what the caveman did but you do it for> > the `good> > > > of> > > > > > mankind.' Those who still hold that right is all on their side> > and that> > > > > > their eternal good will burn away the evil of others are the> > real> > > > enemies> > > > > of> > > > > > mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself> > up--with a> > > > bomb> > > > > > that has the markings of the stars and stripes or a hammer and> > sickle or> > > > a> > > > > > crescent or a Jewish star or the Ashok Chakra. "'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Gopal Krishna Ji;> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am overcome with joy and awe; never, never expected that i> > will> > > > ever> > > > > > have the privilege of communicating with a person who personally> > > > > interacted> > > > > > with U.G. and here i have the opportunity to communicate with> > someone> > > > who> > > > > > new him over the period of 14 years.> > > > > > > > Sir, for a person of my position you belong to elite of> > elite> > > > society,> > > > > > > > I read the comment under consideration in the books uploaded> > at the> > > > > site> > > > > > //http://www.well. <http://www.well. <http://www.well.com/~jct/>> > > > > com/~jct/> com/~jct/// i don't recall> > > > > > the exact book or chapter as for now; most probably it was the> > book> > > > > authored> > > > > > by Mahesh Bhatt.> > > > > > > > i will go through the books to find out the exact location.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and Lots of Respect;> > > > > > > > Most Humbly;> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > > "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > good post indeed.> > > > > > > > > //U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb> > was> > > > invented> > > > > > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre historic man> > that he> > > > > > stored> > > > > > > > > to hit> > > > > > > > > his neighbour"//> > > > > > > > > i never heard/knew this though i know U.G since last 14yrs> > > > > personally> > > > > > > > > till his death.This is something new to me.Can you please> > give> > > > > > reference> > > > > > > > > to it?> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "kulbir"> > > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the best reference to this context i have ever come> > close is;> > > > not> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > any spiritual or astrology book but in the hollywood movie> > Wall> > > > > > Street's> > > > > > > > > two scenes/portions;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i) the famous """Greed is Good""" speech that led> > Michael> > > > Douglas> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the best actor Academy Award;> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > ii) the confrontation between Charlie Sheen and Micheal> > Douglas> > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > subject: How much is enough?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i wish i had the exact Script to write it down here;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > we know Alexander the Great wanted his funeral> > procession to> > > > > depict> > > > > > > > > that he is going empty handed but we remember it because> > of one> > > > > single> > > > > > > > > reason . He was Alexander.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > osho rajneesh was not taken seriously until he grew big> > in terms> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > money;> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > U G Krishnamurthi's famous remark; " the nuclear bomb> > was> > > > invented> > > > > > > > > through the jaw bone of the ass found in the cave of pre> > historic> > > > > man> > > > > > > > > that he stored to hit his neighbour"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of a person is measured by the size of his> > pocket> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fact. More so in our country than in capital states like> > U.S.A.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Adam Smith says that left to individuals without> > dictating the> > > > > > > > > morality; the individual excels both in individual life> > plus his> > > > > > > > > contribution to society.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so as i mentioned first it all starts from greed is good> > and> > > > boils> > > > > > > > > down to how much is enough.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the end you are familiar with the concept of lalkitab> > that> > > > the> > > > > > > > > divider of rahu and ketu cuts the sphere of space in such> > a way> > > > that> > > > > > > > > jupiter is divided into two parts. one outside budh ka> > daiyra and> > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > inside budh ka daiyra. both have there plus and minus> > points.> > > > > > > > > > the very essence of human life is to establish a balance> > between> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > two.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > > "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //They care for somebodies only for personal gains, so> > Self"> > > > > > > > > > > comes before "the somebody", and the somebody is only> > a source> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > provide happiness to own body.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //People care only about themselves first. them selves> > and> > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY> > AS LONG> > > > AS> > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > These are the statements which pure VENUS & MERCURY> > teaches to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > individual, make them experience, As both planet are> > Rajasic in> > > > > > nature.> > > > > > > > > Person should rise up to Moon and Jupiter level> > respectively or> > > > > > > > > experience it, this will help them to attain true> > happiness of> > > > SELF.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > These are just my thoughts to put some astrological> > content in> > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > non-astrologcal posts. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. They care for somebodies only for> > personal> > > > > > > > > gains, so Self" comes before "the somebody", and the> > somebody is> > > > > only> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > source to provide happiness to own body.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > Anita R> > > > > > > > > <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to amend one statement of yours. They> > care> > > > only> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > People care only about themselves first. them> > selves and> > > > > > > > > themselves alone. and they care only for some bodies ONLY> > AS LONG> > > > AS> > > > > > > > > THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SOMEBODIES. Agreed?> > Atleast that> > > > is> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > personal experience in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Is Mercury> > to be> > > > > > > > > considered as Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 4:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet seen Life in close quarters.> > Nobody fight> > > > > > bcoz> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > care. They fight bcoz they dont care.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In this world nobody cares for anybody.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > They care only for somebodies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If their partner is a somebody, they will care> > till he is> > > > a> > > > > > > > > somebody, as> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > soon as he becomes one from the anybody, then he> > will get> > > > > Love> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody. Understood. got it ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont argue with me after sunset. I will otherwise> > fight> > > > with> > > > > > > > > You. And in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > your own words, I will fight with you because I> > care for> > > > You> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > want to> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > stay in this relationship (made through the> > Group).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > "Vidya"> > > > > > > > > <vidyakmr@ .>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget people often fight because they> > care and> > > > want> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > stay in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that relationship! !> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a husband who has fought everyday with his> > wife> > > > for> > > > > > > > > petty> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > matters> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when she was at home, and when she has left> > for 2> > > > weeks> > > > > > stay> > > > > > > > > to her> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, how much he misses her. How much he> > misses> > > > the> > > > > > > > > morning tea> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her hands. How much he misses her presence> > when she> > > > > comes> > > > > > > > > after a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > bath> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gives some instructions to get up and get> > ready.> > > > The> > > > > > day> > > > > > > > > passes> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her rememberance and this rememberance grows> > stronger> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > evening> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after sunset when the husband has nobody to> > talk to,> > > > > > nobody> > > > > > > > > to care> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is doing, or nobody to share with his> > days> > > > work> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > idle> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And when he goes to sleep he misser her> > besides him ,> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > for any> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical love, but for her companionship her> > sweet> > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > odour> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from her body. He misses her when he gets up> > at night> > > > > > > > > whenever he> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to toilet and comes back to an empty bed. The> > next> > > > > morning> > > > > > > > > he again> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misser her at tea and breakfast and in evening> > dinner.> > > > > > > > > Mother cannot> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take place of wife. Never. But wife can take> > place of> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > ladies> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the man.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At such times he wants her however bad or> > tough she> > > > may> > > > > > be.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will come only if he is a good husband.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This same want when develops for God, then one> > comes> > > > > > nearer> > > > > > > > > to Him,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he nearer to the one.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Vidya"> > > > > > > > > vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask a mother how she remembers the naughty> > behavior> > > > of> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > son...Ask> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lover who sits in his office all day and> > remembers> > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > beloved..Ask> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father how he remembers how good his> > wife...The> > > > common> > > > > > > > > theme here> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they all have a " personal relationship"> > with each> > > > > > other.> > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > beauty> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is we all realize God in our own> > way.. It> > > > > helps> > > > > > > > > knowing> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics of devta's also.. Some> > examples:-> > > > > > Mothers,> > > > > > > > > girls> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna for a sweet child., Business men> > worship> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, and prospertiy.. Students worship> > Saraswati> > > > Maa> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > learning> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education..Shiv Shankar Bhole Nath for good> > husband> > > > > > Patiyo> > > > > > > > > ka> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pati..The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest pati of all for everyone..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Santosh ji and Vidya ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How must one pray to God ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it use of syllables to be recited,> > mantras to> > > > be> > > > > > > > > recited> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or aloud, or does prayer consist of stotras,> > ritual> > > > > > > > > worship,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forsm of worship, Home worship done by a> > > > householder,> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an agarbatti or anything else?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is most effective.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Santhosh"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh@> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right Vidya Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers have immense power, provided it> > is done> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > utmost> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity and> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humility.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com]> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > Is> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combust ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own practice even simple remedies> > like> > > > > > prayers,> > > > > > > > > puja,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good results if performed with> > complete> > > > > > > > > sincerity..Plus> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inexpensive if done by ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed even when the sincerity> > is> > > > lacking,> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectiveness it will still give some> > results.> > > > It> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > not be> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we had> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked for but something good is always> > > > > rewarded..It> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I go> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the temple most of the time I don't> > know the> > > > > > > > > meaning behind> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those rituals but it gives me happiness> > by doing> > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > You can> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people still continue to go to temples/> > place of> > > > > > > > > worship so> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting some benefits from it. So no> > human> > > > effort> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > ever gone> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database:> > > > 270.14.98/2551> > > > > -> > > > > > > > > Release> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/09/09> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 01:24:00> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See> > your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. <http://in..> > > > <http://in./>> > > > > com/> com/> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release> > Date:> > > > > 12/10/09> > > > > > 13:06:00> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date:> > > > 12/10/09> > > > > 13:06:00> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date:> > 12/10/09> > > > 13:06:00> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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