Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Members, A discussion on fate vs freewill from Kerala_vedic_astrology forum Regards Santhosh Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Re: Uccha banga Tue, 8 December, 2009 12:54:52 PM Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag View Contact To: kerala_vedic_astrology Dear Santhosh, Excellent and in the right direction. A person can be expected to understand Atomic fusion when he has crossed the level of Bachelor of Science. You questions point to that stage, when you can realy understand Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha. Get a copy of " Tatvavivechani " vyakhana - sanskrit / english from ghorakpur press. You shall get your answer there. Unlike a common conviction that Geetha os for aged persons, It has some of the best management principles supassing japaneese six sigma etc and it should really be taught at school level, which surprisingly they are doing it some schools in Ireland. Just a complimentory comment: Sage Parashara, Saunaka, Narada, Vashishta all were great devotees of that very same Bhagavam Vishnu, Paramathma Himself, and understood him better than any one else. The same lineage which gave us Bhagavath Geetha, Maha Bhagavath etc. If we assume that they had better knowldege of these aspects why then did they gave us astrology also?. why then did they gave us remedies as well? Yes you are absolutely right- don't put every thing on god. This is crux of message in Bhagavath geetha as well. Though I could write a lot on the subject, not every one could understand it and more importantly lead a life accordingly. Understanding something and inculcating it ones life are two different aspects - poles apart. That is knowledge & practice. Knowledge is related to intelligence, but practice depends on conviction. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Santhosh <santhosh10 > kerala_vedic_ astrology Tue, December 8, 2009 11:36:54 AM Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Re: Uccha banga Dear Girish, Sureshji, //I have to do detail study on this subject and then may be with my case studies i will disagree with you.// I believe research should be done to find the truth and not to agree or disagree with someone. Girsih's mail on the subject was a little self contradictory when he said he agreed to the theory that man proposes and god disposes and at the same time asked if it is correct to do such an act. However, the question to be asked is, if it will only happen as per what god proposes then what’s the role of the astrologer. Girish had asked me this question and i gave him a weak answer saying we are there to show the way which otherwise may not be visible to the lay man. i then started thinking over the issue, if our role is only to show what’s going to happen, which will anyway happen, then what is the purpose of such showing. If A is going to hit by a car and he is going to die and if this is what is going to happen and i see it in his chart, then will my telling him so help him in anyway? Similarly, if a person is going through a bad time, we astrologer might propose a remedy. Now how can such a remedy work if as per divine will he HAS to go through the bad time? Can the remedy reduce the impact of the bad time? If it can reduce, then isn’t it destined that the impact will be reduced if we do remedy or not? Will such remedy make the person mentally capable enough to with stand the bad time? Then isn’t it destined that he will have the mental capacity to with stand such a bad time? So then why the remedy? Why the astrologer? Why the showing the way by the astrologer? i personally believe that everything that happens is not as per 'man proposes and god disposes'. I believe that God has a set basic plan for an individual. he then has allowed the individual to do as he wishes which will decide the next event before him. Hence will power of human being plays a major role in one's life events and not just the proposition by god. I once read an English writer Richard Bach. He said if everything that happens is as per divine will then God must be sadist. He must definitely be a sadist when he has made a human being rape a 3 year old child. He is a sadist if he has made a mad man kill a pregnant woman by stabbing her stomach with a knife. Then the author himself couldn’t reconcile to his thought. So he decided that’s not possible. God cannot be a sadist. Then he said if not sadist, then god has to be a weakling, powerless, form of energy, who can do nothing to prevent the man from raping that 3 year old child or that pregnant woman from being killed. The point is if we ascribe everything to God and stop taking responsibility for action then karma theory flies out of the window. Why should i be punished in this birth for something i did in my last birth??? It was god who disposed that event!!!! Not me!!! Why are you holding me responsible? ? Why the judiciary in the country? You hold the God responsible for 26/11, not the innocent young man called Kasab!!! I don’t know how many will agree with me. But I strongly believe that we have a will power of our own and god won’t interfere always. he will be there to guide us. He might guide us even through an astrologer or even through Omens. But then he allows us to do what we want to do. But yes, there are certain things he decides and i believe the birth of baby is one such event. We have to accept the date of birth whether it is by operation or by normal delivery. Our prognostication can have no bearing on that. I leave it for a debate by all members. regards santhosh On Behalf Of Chakraborty, PL Friday, December 11, 2009 3:37 PM ' ' RE: Re: Transit Saturn influencing natal Sun Dear Neelam-ji, Problem : Did not get promotion in time. Became a target of ridicule. Most of my seniors were casting aspersion on my capability and finding faults. I had to report to someone of my batch. Even technical facts and findings were being re-interpreted to show that I was wrong. A period of 2+ years Good happening : I moved to a bigger quarter ..was provided with a servant (these are time bound...not related to anything else). Blessed with 2nd son (8 Sept 04). DOB : That's the most difficult part... may be around 7-8 Jul 1968 approx 2-30 hrs. POB, Biswanath Chariali, near Tezpur, Assam. The DOB may be off by 15 days or 1 year 15 days.('69). But Ta lagna as confirmed by Prashna. regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of neelam gupta Friday, December 11, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: Transit Saturn influencing natal Sun Thanks Chakraborty ji. Could you share your data and nature of problem. Regards Neelam 2009/12/11 Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> Dear friends, I was under the impression that when Sat transits over natal Mars, then such effects take place. I had faced difficulty in career. (April 2004 to Dec 2006). But frankly, I can not correlate fully my problems with this transit. Sat was not fuuly present in Gemini in that period My Sun, Mars (as well as Me + Ve) are in Gemini. regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of S.C. Kursija Friday, December 11, 2009 2:31 PM Re: Re: Transit Saturn influencing natal Sun Dear Neelam ji, I vountarily resign from my office in April, 1991 with out any pressure on me, only to improve my status. there was no connection withween Sun and Saturn but both were in kendra from each other.. But my lagna lord was in Cancer in 8th aspected by Saturn in Capricorn in 2nd. Regards --- On Fri, 12/11/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Re: Transit Saturn influencing natal Sun Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:39 PM Dear Neelam ji, //Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8 relationship.// i volunterily resigned my job due to unbearable pressure when tr sat and nat sun were in 6-8 positions in transit but no conection/aspect between the two. Regards, gopi. -- In , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one would > experience professional disturbances.* > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the natal > promise and operative dasha.* > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8 > relationship. > > I invite you all to share your views with examples. > > Regards > Neelam > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. 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